Hey now. I might not make the 53 man roster, but I could totally make it as a quality control coach or waterboy. I would bring Heckert his sushi so fast.
Kuechly can and has played OLB. He was recruited as a safety for goodness sakes, it’s not like he can’t cover. In fact there’s very little Kuechly can’t do.
Thanks for admitting you don’t know what you’re talking about. When a guys record as a starter in the NFL is 2-0, and his TD to INT record as a starter is 9-3, the burden of proof lies on the guy claiming he sucks. I’m not saying Flynn is a sure thing but he’d undoubtedly be an instant upgrade and getting a QB through free agency would also allow us to use our draft picks to address other vital needs areas on our team.
We have as much of a clue that Flynn would be better than Colt than we do that RGIII would be, except that Flynn has actually succeeded in NFL action.
Everyone has the potential to be a bust. Is that the crux of your entire argument? What evidence do you have to support that he’s the next Kolb and not the next Shaub? Surely a smart guy like you can do better.
Why do you have evidence that he’ll be the next Rodgers? You don’t have anymore evidence than I do. RGIII or Luck have a lot more ability to pan out than Flynn. There’s a reason they’re rated in the 1st round. They’ll also be much much cheaper.
To be fair, in a game where the packers had nothing to gain, and the Lions could have moved up a seed, he played better, stat wise, than Rodgers. Chicken or egg, but he obviously has some ability to succeed. Even if it takes a shit ton of good players around him. Some QBs aren’t even good with that.
You’re far and away the most idiotic regular poster on this blog, but are you really THAT dense? No, you’re not, so you play stupid as it’s the only thing you really can do when you get punked like that.
No one got punked, no one really likes you here and I’m not one of the stupidest posters on here. Don’t get butthurt because I don’t like your shitty offseason.
which is MOST to the point. Can you play in the NFL? Kolb has shown he absolutely cannot. Flynn has shown that theres real possibility he can. Colt has started to assure us he cannot.
Kolb never looked as good Flynn has. Kolb’s best game as a starter was a 2 TD, 0 INT run at KC, but the week before that he threw three picks to 2 TD’s in relief of an injured Vick.
You can look up Kolb’s stats in starts for Philly and make the exact same argument. He’s had some very good games for them. (that being said, I think Kolb is worthless and would groan if the Browns made a play for him)
I’m not going to be a big Flynn defender, but at least Flynn did something in two games, versus Kolb just being ridiculously overhyped after not doing anything.
Flynn has two starts which isn’t much but its DOUBLE what you said. :)
I think he won them both and I think his opponents in each game were genuinely competing. I mean, Flynn has shown something in two games that Seneca and Colt have never shown between them in a single game. Thats an instant, considerable upgrade.
FWIW, I never bought into the Kolb hype train either, I thought Matt Cassel was overpaid, though I thought he’d turn out better than he has. If Flynn is going at the same market rate as Cassel did, I’d pass, but I don’t think he’ll cost that much.
Yeah again, I’m not saying he’s the next Aaron Rodgers. But Colt couldn’t throw six touchdowns against my flag football team, much less the 30th ranked defense in the country.
The other thing about Flynn is he, like Rodgers, was surrounded by talent in GB. Not so here in Cleveland, unless we take Blackmon and roll the dice on Broyles, who despite his injury I think still has a lot of promise.
or a guy like broyles, another playmaker, even if its a lamichael james. I just get excited about the idea of a guy who has first round talent being available that late, like he’s projected to be.
ya, james is WAY too good to go in the third even if that is where he is currently being projected. I feel like every fan of every team in the league is holding out for james to fall to their team in the third, but I just don’t see it happening.
Two things I like about Flynn are that he has been studying a WCO under Rodgers for a few years now. Another is that GB’s offensive line isn’t very good and Flynn was getting the ball out quickly and efficiently.
Kolb never looked very good against anybody, IMO. He didn’t always look bad but he never looked like the guy you would wanna pin your franchise too, not even for one game. Flynn has, at the very least, shown flashes.
I think thats another big asset, emily. He’s coming from a similar kind of offense, at least more similar than what guys like Jones and Barkley are coming out of.
I said somewhere else that in signing a free agent QB, we aren’t just paying for said QB, were also paying for the opportunity to use our draft picks to address other needs. I’d be satisfied with a Matt Cassel for 3 or 4 years at this point tbh.
I wouldn’t. I’d rather keep trying to strike gold in later rounds for four years than bother to overpay for some guy to come in and be average. Of course, I’d much rather not do either one of those things.
I think that’s not a terribly overinflated hope for Flynn. I do think that GB will hold on to him because his stock is so high right now. Someone will overpay.
Yeah. I’d say he’s one of the 15 best players in the draft, and even if he doesn’t get selected that high he’ll go before 32nd.
His instincts are great and I think he will run really well. He’s like a faster, (much) younger London Fletcher or DQ; sideline to sideline, making a ton of tackles, probably won’t rush the passer much but is going to play really well in zone coverage, stop the run, and be the first to diagnose the play.
I’m scared of Matt Flynn. First of all, he will be 27 next season and reeks of Matt Cassel. Plus, I think he will be pretty expensive. Matt Cassel got 6-60. Ryan Fitzpatrick got 6-59.
I’m not comfortable giving that kind of money to a guy that has proven so little. I know we will have to pay a rookie QB a good chunk, but Griffin is 21 years old and has a much higher ceiling. I’m willing to take that gamble.
I would actually switch the approach, throw money at a free agent WR (Stevie Johnson?) and draft the QB.
And of course, I would never use a first round pick on a LB that doesn’t rush the passer. You could get Zach Brown at OLB in the second round and he will give 95% of the production for a lower price. First round LB’s are almost never worth the price.
He’s the guy that so many people would love to draft in the 3rd that he goes early in the 2nd. People will see him as Sproles 2.0 and rocket him up draft boards.
I would definitely be happy with Zach Brown, even if Kuechly was still on the table by some miracle, but I really dont think we need to focus on addressing RB in the first 3 rounds of the draft, especially with bjax getting healthy again.
No Jackson, Jackson, Bowe, etc is going to want to come to cleveland so that they can run 5 yard out routes and get mauled 10 times a year when Colt or Seneca leaves them out to dry with James Harrison. Until the QB play improves, WR improvements will come from the draft.
santnio holmes to Browns in 2012!!!!
BG_Dom84 - January 5, 2012
No thanks.
rufio - January 5, 2012
rufio to Browns in 2012!!!!
pwndabear - January 6, 2012
No thanks.
Kimble_79 - January 6, 2012
Hey now. I might not make the 53 man roster, but I could totally make it as a quality control coach or waterboy. I would bring Heckert his sushi so fast.
rufio - January 6, 2012
If by sushi you mean fried douch and by so fast you mean right now, you might have a chance.
troy145 - January 6, 2012
Fried douch?
Bernie19Kosar - January 6, 2012
oh yeah
troy145 - January 7, 2012
Do you mean “douche?” Or is douch some kind of strange delicacy from Amsterdam that I am unaware of?
Off-the-Chain - January 7, 2012
Fried Duchy?
North Coast Flea - January 9, 2012
LOL
Kimble_79 - January 9, 2012
This would be an awful off season. Holy crap.
SpecialBrownie - January 5, 2012
Yeah it’ d be a real bitch if we addressed almost every need on the team in one off season without blowin the salary cap.
troy145 - January 5, 2012 via mobile
Matt Flynn would be awful and we already have DQ for MLB.
SpecialBrownie - January 5, 2012
Kuechly can and has played OLB. He was recruited as a safety for goodness sakes, it’s not like he can’t cover. In fact there’s very little Kuechly can’t do.
troy145 - January 5, 2012 via mobile
He is a LB that doesn’t rush the passer. Not worth the first round pick.
Bernie19Kosar - January 5, 2012
And please enlighten us as to why Matt Flynn would be awful.
troy145 - January 5, 2012 via mobile
Why would he be good?
SpecialBrownie - January 5, 2012
Thanks for admitting you don’t know what you’re talking about. When a guys record as a starter in the NFL is 2-0, and his TD to INT record as a starter is 9-3, the burden of proof lies on the guy claiming he sucks. I’m not saying Flynn is a sure thing but he’d undoubtedly be an instant upgrade and getting a QB through free agency would also allow us to use our draft picks to address other vital needs areas on our team.
troy145 - January 5, 2012 via mobile
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL. You don’t understand football.
SpecialBrownie - January 6, 2012
Im just asking you to back up something you say, somewhere, sometime, at some point. Can you do it or not?
troy145 - January 6, 2012
My backup is the fact that he’s payed in two games, he’s a 7th round pick and you want to throw a crap ton of money at Kolb v.2
It’s stupid.
SpecialBrownie - January 6, 2012
Also, you have no absolute clue if he’s an “instant upgrade”. That’s foolish.
SpecialBrownie - January 6, 2012
We have as much of a clue that Flynn would be better than Colt than we do that RGIII would be, except that Flynn has actually succeeded in NFL action.
Everyone has the potential to be a bust. Is that the crux of your entire argument? What evidence do you have to support that he’s the next Kolb and not the next Shaub? Surely a smart guy like you can do better.
troy145 - January 6, 2012
Why do you have evidence that he’ll be the next Rodgers? You don’t have anymore evidence than I do. RGIII or Luck have a lot more ability to pan out than Flynn. There’s a reason they’re rated in the 1st round. They’ll also be much much cheaper.
SpecialBrownie - January 6, 2012
To be fair, in a game where the packers had nothing to gain, and the Lions could have moved up a seed, he played better, stat wise, than Rodgers. Chicken or egg, but he obviously has some ability to succeed. Even if it takes a shit ton of good players around him. Some QBs aren’t even good with that.
HenryDawg - January 7, 2012
He threw against Eric Wright and BRANDON “I CAN’T PLAY FOOTBALL” MCDONALD.
SpecialBrownie - January 7, 2012
How does Detroit win any games if throwing 6 TDs against them doesnt take any doing?
troy145 - January 7, 2012
Because Megatron.
SpecialBrownie - January 7, 2012
oh my bad i didn’t realize he sat out vs GB.
oh… wait
troy145 - January 8, 2012
You said any games.
oh… wait.
SpecialBrownie - January 9, 2012
You’re far and away the most idiotic regular poster on this blog, but are you really THAT dense? No, you’re not, so you play stupid as it’s the only thing you really can do when you get punked like that.
troy145 - January 10, 2012
No one got punked, no one really likes you here and I’m not one of the stupidest posters on here. Don’t get butthurt because I don’t like your shitty offseason.
SpecialBrownie - January 10, 2012
C’mon guys lets stop with the poo flinging. Especially since no one likes either of you. J/K ;)
North Coast Flea - January 10, 2012
hahahaha
brandeezy09 - January 9, 2012
at least Kolb was a 2nd rounder.
bross09 - January 6, 2012
Which, more than anything, shows that after being able to evaluate how you perform in the actual NFL, where you were drafted is largely irrelevant.
A guy who is just okay but was a first round pick isn’t automatically better than a guy who good but was a 4th round pick.
troy145 - January 6, 2012
I also think it shows that maybe Kolb has a better overall skill set. That’s more the point.
bross09 - January 6, 2012
It shows people thought he had a better skill set before he was drafted and showed that his skill set is horrible.
troy145 - January 6, 2012
his actual gameplay shows his skillset is, in reality and in practice, horrible *
troy145 - January 6, 2012
which is MOST to the point. Can you play in the NFL? Kolb has shown he absolutely cannot. Flynn has shown that theres real possibility he can. Colt has started to assure us he cannot.
troy145 - January 6, 2012
I don’t think Kolb definitively can’t play in the NFL. He was actually pretty decent this year, but this is not the point.
Flynn has shown a flash in the pan. I do like Flynn, but he only had one or two really good games. Kolb had that in his first year he got to start.
bross09 - January 6, 2012
Kolb never looked as good Flynn has. Kolb’s best game as a starter was a 2 TD, 0 INT run at KC, but the week before that he threw three picks to 2 TD’s in relief of an injured Vick.
Thats not horrible but its not 9 TDs to 3 INTs.
troy145 - January 6, 2012
I’d argue Flynn had one really good game, but in all honestly they are pretty comparable in their unknowns.
bross09 - January 7, 2012
You can look up Kolb’s stats in starts for Philly and make the exact same argument. He’s had some very good games for them. (that being said, I think Kolb is worthless and would groan if the Browns made a play for him)
Gradysmanldy - January 10, 2012
If he is only payed two games, sign him. Cheap!
Kimble_79 - January 9, 2012
I have this sneaking suspicion that Matt Flynn will end up like Cassel or Kolb except way worse.
Adrock2099 - January 5, 2012
Worse than Kolb?
rufio - January 5, 2012
Yup I said it.
Adrock2099 - January 5, 2012
I’m not going to be a big Flynn defender, but at least Flynn did something in two games, versus Kolb just being ridiculously overhyped after not doing anything.
Chris Pokorny - January 5, 2012
Yeah, the Kolb love made no sense whatsoever. I also think Flynn is over-hyped after just one start, but Kolb was piss poor in his prior seven starts.
Simmsinns - January 6, 2012
Flynn has two starts which isn’t much but its DOUBLE what you said. :)
I think he won them both and I think his opponents in each game were genuinely competing. I mean, Flynn has shown something in two games that Seneca and Colt have never shown between them in a single game. Thats an instant, considerable upgrade.
FWIW, I never bought into the Kolb hype train either, I thought Matt Cassel was overpaid, though I thought he’d turn out better than he has. If Flynn is going at the same market rate as Cassel did, I’d pass, but I don’t think he’ll cost that much.
troy145 - January 6, 2012
I think the Pats pass defense was 22nd when he faced them, and the Lions pass defense was 30.
Just feels like fools gold to me.
Bernie19Kosar - January 6, 2012
Yeah again, I’m not saying he’s the next Aaron Rodgers. But Colt couldn’t throw six touchdowns against my flag football team, much less the 30th ranked defense in the country.
The other thing about Flynn is he, like Rodgers, was surrounded by talent in GB. Not so here in Cleveland, unless we take Blackmon and roll the dice on Broyles, who despite his injury I think still has a lot of promise.
troy145 - January 6, 2012
or a guy like broyles, another playmaker, even if its a lamichael james. I just get excited about the idea of a guy who has first round talent being available that late, like he’s projected to be.
troy145 - January 6, 2012
If we could get James in the 3rd, it would be well worth it. I think he goes in the early second.
You know he isn’t going to be your bell cow, but he can catch and is definitely fast.
rufio - January 6, 2012
ya, james is WAY too good to go in the third even if that is where he is currently being projected. I feel like every fan of every team in the league is holding out for james to fall to their team in the third, but I just don’t see it happening.
brandeezy09 - January 9, 2012
Two things I like about Flynn are that he has been studying a WCO under Rodgers for a few years now. Another is that GB’s offensive line isn’t very good and Flynn was getting the ball out quickly and efficiently.
emily522 - January 6, 2012
Correct me if I’m wrong, but didn’t Kolb not even look that good compared to how Flynn has looked. SSS I know.
emily522 - January 6, 2012
Kolb never looked very good against anybody, IMO. He didn’t always look bad but he never looked like the guy you would wanna pin your franchise too, not even for one game. Flynn has, at the very least, shown flashes.
troy145 - January 6, 2012
I think thats another big asset, emily. He’s coming from a similar kind of offense, at least more similar than what guys like Jones and Barkley are coming out of.
troy145 - January 6, 2012
I really like Broyles.
Bernie19Kosar - January 6, 2012
Me too. Just not as a 1st rounder.
rufio - January 6, 2012
Broyles probably isn’t even a second rounder IMO
troy145 - January 6, 2012
I would love to draft him in the 3rd. How is his injury?
rufio - January 6, 2012
Typical ACL. I would imagine he would be PUP list for at least training camp.
Well worth a mid round pick.
Bernie19Kosar - January 6, 2012
No way, I would guess 3rd-4th depending on how his medical reports are.
Bernie19Kosar - January 6, 2012
RG3 is more unproven on the NFL field than Flynn is.
emily522 - January 6, 2012
I mean he threw for 300 yards a few times…
rufio - January 6, 2012
I think Kolb had a couple of 400+ yard games too.
HenryDawg - January 7, 2012
I said somewhere else that in signing a free agent QB, we aren’t just paying for said QB, were also paying for the opportunity to use our draft picks to address other needs. I’d be satisfied with a Matt Cassel for 3 or 4 years at this point tbh.
troy145 - January 5, 2012
I wouldn’t. I’d rather keep trying to strike gold in later rounds for four years than bother to overpay for some guy to come in and be average. Of course, I’d much rather not do either one of those things.
Adrock2099 - January 5, 2012
Then again, I don’t think Flynn is gonna be Matt Cassel. I think he’ll be something closer to Matt Hasselback.
troy145 - January 5, 2012 via mobile
I think that’s not a terribly overinflated hope for Flynn. I do think that GB will hold on to him because his stock is so high right now. Someone will overpay.
rufio - January 6, 2012
That would be 3 or 4 years of wasted Joe Thomas.
North Coast Flea - January 5, 2012
I see no way Kuechly falls that far.
rufio - January 5, 2012
You think he goes in the first round?
The Licensed Optimist - January 5, 2012
I think Kuechly to the Eagles is pretty much guaranteed.
C.b.I - January 5, 2012
Yeah. I’d say he’s one of the 15 best players in the draft, and even if he doesn’t get selected that high he’ll go before 32nd.
His instincts are great and I think he will run really well. He’s like a faster, (much) younger London Fletcher or DQ; sideline to sideline, making a ton of tackles, probably won’t rush the passer much but is going to play really well in zone coverage, stop the run, and be the first to diagnose the play.
rufio - January 6, 2012
You think he goes in the first round?
The Licensed Optimist - January 5, 2012
reply faaaaaaaaaaaaaaail
The Licensed Optimist - January 5, 2012
I’m scared of Matt Flynn. First of all, he will be 27 next season and reeks of Matt Cassel. Plus, I think he will be pretty expensive. Matt Cassel got 6-60. Ryan Fitzpatrick got 6-59.
I’m not comfortable giving that kind of money to a guy that has proven so little. I know we will have to pay a rookie QB a good chunk, but Griffin is 21 years old and has a much higher ceiling. I’m willing to take that gamble.
I would actually switch the approach, throw money at a free agent WR (Stevie Johnson?) and draft the QB.
And of course, I would never use a first round pick on a LB that doesn’t rush the passer. You could get Zach Brown at OLB in the second round and he will give 95% of the production for a lower price. First round LB’s are almost never worth the price.
Bernie19Kosar - January 5, 2012
I agree with you. I would throw cash at Dwayne Bowe or Vincent Jackson and draft RG3 all day.
notthatnoise - January 10, 2012
I like getting Justin Blackmon and Zach brown. But I think we should get lamichael James and a RG
lightninmcqueen - January 6, 2012 via mobile
Would love LaMicheal after the 2nd round.
Bernie19Kosar - January 6, 2012
He’s the guy that so many people would love to draft in the 3rd that he goes early in the 2nd. People will see him as Sproles 2.0 and rocket him up draft boards.
rufio - January 6, 2012
Well, I heard he does crack cocaine*. (If we keep repeating this, we will be able to get him in the 3rd!)
*I have no evidence supporting my claim of his drug abuse.
Bernie19Kosar - January 6, 2012
I’ve heard that also*, he should fall.
*from you just saying it.
HenryDawg - January 7, 2012
His elbow could also be problems for him. A dislocated elbow is no joke.
rufio - January 7, 2012
Plus the cocaine*.
Bernie19Kosar - January 7, 2012
I would definitely be happy with Zach Brown, even if Kuechly was still on the table by some miracle, but I really dont think we need to focus on addressing RB in the first 3 rounds of the draft, especially with bjax getting healthy again.
troy145 - January 6, 2012
No Jackson, Jackson, Bowe, etc is going to want to come to cleveland so that they can run 5 yard out routes and get mauled 10 times a year when Colt or Seneca leaves them out to dry with James Harrison. Until the QB play improves, WR improvements will come from the draft.
Gradysmanldy - January 10, 2012
If you’d like to talk about a Meachem or a Fred Davis, I could see that. Possibly. However unlikely it is.
Gradysmanldy - January 10, 2012
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