If nothing else, just preparation, experience and another set of eyes to help on the field. I heard today that when he was OC of Philly, Ried called the play, but actually Chilli gave him 3 plays and he picked one of them.
Childress is a micro-manager. He’s quite a different personality than Shurmur or Whipple. They’re more of the gut reaction/knee jerk type who make decisions based on how something feels overall, whereas Childress is a details freak. If we draft a young quarterback, Chilly is the kind of guy who could help him clean up his footwork and throwing mechanics. I still wish we had someone with an ounce of creativity on the coaching staff, though.
On a more serious note: AFC North Blog on ESPN this morning:
Childress isn’t the answer for Browns
By Jamison Hensley
The Browns made the right call when they decided to add an offensive coordinator, and they needed to hire someone with experience.
But hiring Brad Childress — who is reportedly the front-runner for the job — is not the answer. The Browns really needed to push to get Mike Sherman, who appears to be headed to the Miami Dolphins to be their offensive coordinator.
The problem with Childress is his track record with offenses. In the eight years that Childress has been a head coach or offensive coordinator in the NFL, his offenses have ranked in the bottom half of the league five times.
The disturbing part is he’s only been an NFL playcaller for one season. The result? The Vikings finished 23rd in yards and 26th in points (17.6 per game) in 2006 before Childress passed those duties over to offensive coordinator Darrell Bevell the next season. Childress didn’t call the plays in his three seasons as the Eagles’ offensive coordinator (Andy Reid held that role) and he didn’t call the plays in his final four seasons with the Vikings.
That resume doesn’t inspire confidence that he will turn around a Browns offense that scored more than 17 points twice last season. Then again, it’s hard to imagine any coordinator could really affect an offense that has major question marks at quarterback and running back as well as a void of playmakers at wide receiver.
If the Browns hire Childress, it wouldn’t be the worst move. The team could have simply promoted quarterbacks coach Mark Whipple, but that wouldn’t have accomplished anything.
Pat Shumur was overwhelmed in his first season as the Browns head coach, and he needed to have the responsibility of running the offense taken away. The only way an inexperienced head coach will succeed is if he has experienced coordinators supporting him. The Browns will have veteran voices with Childress and defensive coordinator Dick Jauron.
If I were Shurmur, I would rely on Childress’ advice but not his play-calling ability.
Um, yeah. Or not being able to recognize a joke. I was responding to DCMJ’s post and thought it was pretty obvious I was making a joke when I typed ‘client’ instead of client. As if client was a euphemism?
we only know of Lamonte because he represents a lot of WCO Front office people. Condon represents a lot more low key guys such as the mannings, brees, Peterson, Tomlinson, etc…
Not a lot of guys who are considered “me first” and grab the headlines outside of their play.
condon represents a ton of players of all personality stripes.
this is true because of being the biggest agent in the NFL. His biggest clients though tend to be more low key guys. For Rosenhaus, he represents a lot of star WRs (Dez, T.O, Plaxico, D-Jax, OchoCinco).
Condon definitely represents some headline grabbers, but because he doesn’t represent the T.Os and OchoCincos of the world, he isn’t as widely known as Rosenhaus
yep, because coaching for the better part of a decade on the same sideline as Pat on a team Heckert helped run had nothing to do with a hire orchestrated by a super agent behind the scenes.
then what is the point of bringing up Lamonte in the first place? He represents at least 50% of guys out there who are familiar with the WCO and/or are from the Walsh coaching tree.
It does feel like people are using it as a stick, when it probably is non-issue (not to say Dorn is doing that). Like I said in another post, Holmgren was his first client so its not surprising that all of Holmgren’s underlings would use him when it became their turn to hire an agent.
I just want to make sure the best candidates are being hired, not because they have the right agent. If these are the best we can get, fine. But if we are not even pushing at someone like Jim Harbaugh because of the agent, then we have issues.
I think what’s at play here is these are all people that know each other professionally going back a long way and they’ve worked together before, and that’s why they’re getting hired. Sharing an agent probably is related to that familiarity with one another, not the other way around.
And I’m fine with that. I’ve seen plenty of times how a disconnect at any level—HC to coaches, HC to GM, GM to president—can lead to a failure on the field. I like that the organization, top to bottom, is being filled by people that at the very least are all looking in the same direction.
i hear you, but this is all holmgren and virtually zero lamonte. holmgren is hiring people from his lineage, most of whom happen to be represented by lamonte. the causality is holmgren’s, not lamonte’s.
only insofar as holmgren runs lamonte. holmgren was lamonte’s first client, and remains his biggest. 98% of lamonte’s clients come from holmgren’s tree, and 98% of holmgren’s hires come from holmgren’s tree, so most of the brain power in berea (or anywhere holmgren works) is likely to be represented by lamonte. the real situation is that holmgren runs berea, and by proxy lamonte runs berea.
Well, this couldn’t be much worse than just having Shurmur in charge of the game plan, or the head scratching moments that punctuated the Daboll era. Let’s see how this works
I’ll just go on record here as saying I think this is a poor hire. My biggest hope for hiring an OC was to get this team organized and prepared, and based on my subjective evaluation of Childress is that he will not do much to enhance this problem that I felt the team had. If anything, foresee us being roughly in the same amount of disarray offensively as this past season, with two guys to bear the responsibility.
I see why you would have that opinion of Childress, but consider the fact the both of the coaches who dealt with non-Packer Favre were not coaches prior to today. They both were too… idk… awe-struck with Favre. Childress seemed fine to me until Favre came along and they were expected to get to the NFC Championship.
I’m not even really talking about Favre in this case, more my belief that the Vikings under Childress were one of the most ill-prepared teams and one of the worst with clock management and in situations that demanded execution and organization. This is purely through my having watched the games and anecdotal, as is the case with most things.
This worries me too, but at the same time I still think it will be Shurmur who will handle most of the game day stuff. I think Childress is mostly here for gameplanning.
I would feel better about this if I had the same faith in Shurmur to be organized. However, I am willing to give him a longer leash since it was his first year in charge.
You are correct in your observations. A buddy of mine is a huge Vikings fan and has hated Childress from the first day he got there. According to my friend, Childress is an ego maniac who is ill-prepared, pitiful play caller and all around A**h**e.
The other negative, is while in Philly as the O.C., he didn’t call the plays, also, in Minnesota, the only year he did call plays, we were horrid, as stated in Red-Right’s post. As for Holmgren controlling Chilly, we shall see, but I do see this as a step backwards for the Browns. Whether it is Shurmur or Chilly calling the shots, there are better candidates or ones working up the ladder who may have filled these shoes alot better. ALso, his insistent play calling of run, run pass pretty much tipped off most teams. He is much to routine in his play calling and on top of that, his version of the West Coast offense has too many plays in it as well as confusing schemes. Something that hampered us with a rookie QB as well as made things difficult with a veteran.
There have been rumors of you guys trading up and taking Robert Griffin in the draft. Now, again, I know this is rumors, so not saying it’s gonna happen. However, let’s say it does come to bear. Chilly is the last person you would want “Mentoring” a QB. Just because he worked a few years with Donovan McNabb, he claimed the title of QB guru. This is far from the case. One has to look at Tavarius Jackson, who is at the moment in Seattle, as a good argument against this. T-Jack did have the skills to be a very good QB, but was far from mentally ready. Instead of being patient, Chilly threw T-Jack into the fold, to quickly before he was ready. This eventually led to the whole Favre debacle. Again, this whole Griffin scenario is just that, based on rumors. But it’s not the chance this team should be taking.
Thanks for the info. I agree, he was terrible head coach, made horrible decisions, ruined Tavaris, who had potential. I think Tavaris could actually do well in Seattle.
By “the whole Favre debacle,” I assume you’re including making it to the NFC Championship game. I think most people around here would pee their pants for joy if we just made the playoffs.
But when you know deep down that it would be for one year at best, much like it was, I don’t now, I’d rather have someone who could be there for the next 5 or ore years, not one or two and hope to God it works out.
The problem I have with the whole “called the plays/didn’t call the plays” correlation with Chilly is the major differences in personnel. Favre was not good that year, and I’d bet he changed a lot of stuff at the line.
I am still not sure how things will be run, even knowing Shurmur will probably run the plays, but typically the OC frees the HC up so that the HC can pay attention to timeouts, clock management, etc.
So it won’t be as bad as Minnesota, just as bad as last year. Which wasn’t good.
I am officially on the fence with this hire. I have never really liked Childress too much, but he has a lot of experience and is liked by the FO. I’ll have to wait and see him talk about what he can do for the Browns before I begin complaining.
Happy with the hire, disappointed that Shurmur held on to calling the plays. I know there are coaches that call the plays like Payton and Reid – but they are really good at it.
I ut up a fan shot yesterday linking to a story where Shurmur said that he would relinquish the play calling if they hired someone who was better. Don’t know if Shurmur considers Childress to be a better play caller than he is.
Chilly worked for Reid and like Pat they did not have any playcalling experience there. I personally like the structure better of having the OC calling plays with an active offensive HC as a double check and a veto.I would only have the coach call the plays if he demonstrates an outstanding ability to call plays. Clearly Payton does have it and is fantastic, Reid has had some outstanding years and others meh. My best example was the Tenn game where Pat just lost his focus and no one told him how screwed up he was. If Chilly pulled that – Pat could light him up and get him back to earth.
Yea, I think that is what happened, too. I also believe if Sherman was the hire, he would have been calling the plays and that Shurmur will be calling the plays because Childress is the hire.
The Philbin/Sherman combo makes more sense for them which is a direct GB line while the shurmur/Childress combo is an Andy Reid, eagles line which ties better to Heckert.
Shurmur and Sherman are too close. can you imagine the confusion? They would have to go by mur and man. Hey Mur, what’s the play, I don’t know ask Man! Oh crap, another delay of game.
There are a few things going into that. First, the disdain for Grossi and his Browns coverage has been brewing around here for years. The other factor is that it’s the offseason. We won’t really see Childress impact the play on the field for quite some time.
If Childress doesn’t cut it, I’m sure the FO wont waste any time kicking him to the curb. Maybe being out of football for a year has taught him a little humility.
Well there is some logic on our side. Normally you have to be a good coord to get a HC job. Then even when you flameout you get some experiences that help you. Some of the finest coords are ex HCs.
Case in point- I believe was our best hire last offseason. Granted the defense still has room for improvement, Jauron brought a lot to the table and has made our defense the strength of the team. There’s no reason to say that Chilly couldn’t do that with the offense.
Honestly, I’m just happy there’s someone to take some the load off of Shurmur’s shoulders. I am disappointed we won’t be able to shorten their names in to something into something as cool as Shermanurmur or Shurmurman.
how should we feel about the fact that shurmur used to work for childress? obviously, the pecking order will have been laid out, but once childress gets in the building, how is that going to play out? by all accounts, childress has a big ego, and i don’t see shurmur as a huge ego guy … does childress make things more confusing?
I think Dorn raises a good point about the organizational issues (see him sending 12 men on to the field in the NFC Championship game), but I love the fact that Shurmur is surrounding himself with vets. I think with less on his plate, Childress (should we start calling him Chilly? Because I think it makes a man sound like a douche to call another man Chilly, but I don’t want to type out his entire name 1,000,000 times this season) will do better.
With the possibility of bringing in a rookie QB, and a lot of new toys on offense, the fact that we have some guys that have been down this road will help. I think Childress will be great for Shurmur to lean on.
Remember, at this same point last season, everyone was hating on the Jauron hire. Maybe H&H know what they are doing.
Great news. Four former or current head coaches on staff is a big positive in my eyes.
BrownsFanRegina - January 27, 2012
that leads to having too many chefs in the kitchen sometimes though.
PaduaDSP - January 27, 2012
I think they’re all pretty aware of the pecking order, though the only one I really care for is Jauron.
notthatnoise - January 27, 2012
I like Jauron too. Not sure exactly what Chilly will bring to the table as OC though outside of familiarity with Pat.
bross09 - January 27, 2012
If nothing else, just preparation, experience and another set of eyes to help on the field. I heard today that when he was OC of Philly, Ried called the play, but actually Chilli gave him 3 plays and he picked one of them.
HenryDawg - January 27, 2012
Nice catered chicken dinners
jonnyphoenix - January 27, 2012
He knows the WCO language, so they can get to work right away.
rufio - January 28, 2012
that’s what I’m thinking. That plus some pressure off of Shurmur gameplanning-wise and I am fine with the hire.
bross09 - January 28, 2012
Childress is a micro-manager. He’s quite a different personality than Shurmur or Whipple. They’re more of the gut reaction/knee jerk type who make decisions based on how something feels overall, whereas Childress is a details freak. If we draft a young quarterback, Chilly is the kind of guy who could help him clean up his footwork and throwing mechanics. I still wish we had someone with an ounce of creativity on the coaching staff, though.
Bumblyjack - January 28, 2012
this is football not top chef. duuuerp
pwndabear - January 27, 2012
Phil Dawson is on his way to Mississippi to pick up Brett Favre…
Red-Right-88 - January 27, 2012
On a more serious note: AFC North Blog on ESPN this morning:
Childress isn’t the answer for Browns
By Jamison Hensley
The Browns made the right call when they decided to add an offensive coordinator, and they needed to hire someone with experience.
But hiring Brad Childress — who is reportedly the front-runner for the job — is not the answer. The Browns really needed to push to get Mike Sherman, who appears to be headed to the Miami Dolphins to be their offensive coordinator.
The problem with Childress is his track record with offenses. In the eight years that Childress has been a head coach or offensive coordinator in the NFL, his offenses have ranked in the bottom half of the league five times.
The disturbing part is he’s only been an NFL playcaller for one season. The result? The Vikings finished 23rd in yards and 26th in points (17.6 per game) in 2006 before Childress passed those duties over to offensive coordinator Darrell Bevell the next season. Childress didn’t call the plays in his three seasons as the Eagles’ offensive coordinator (Andy Reid held that role) and he didn’t call the plays in his final four seasons with the Vikings.
That resume doesn’t inspire confidence that he will turn around a Browns offense that scored more than 17 points twice last season. Then again, it’s hard to imagine any coordinator could really affect an offense that has major question marks at quarterback and running back as well as a void of playmakers at wide receiver.
If the Browns hire Childress, it wouldn’t be the worst move. The team could have simply promoted quarterbacks coach Mark Whipple, but that wouldn’t have accomplished anything.
Pat Shumur was overwhelmed in his first season as the Browns head coach, and he needed to have the responsibility of running the offense taken away. The only way an inexperienced head coach will succeed is if he has experienced coordinators supporting him. The Browns will have veteran voices with Childress and defensive coordinator Dick Jauron.
If I were Shurmur, I would rely on Childress’ advice but not his play-calling ability.
Red-Right-88 - January 27, 2012
That’s perfectly fine, because Shurmur has stated he’s still calling plays.
notthatnoise - January 27, 2012
So our offense is now going to be like the Eagles’, right? Just like that?
rufio - January 28, 2012
Lamonte is running Berea.
Roger Dorn - January 27, 2012
They have been running with that on WKNR for a long time now. They even touched on it this morning before it was confirmed.
Jon @ DBN - January 27, 2012
Who?
Red-Right-88 - January 27, 2012
The Really Big Show, Rizzo and Goldhammer
Jon @ DBN - January 27, 2012
LOL no who is Lamonte? Im kinda slow
Red-Right-88 - January 27, 2012
I’ve inferred that it is the agent who represents most of the personnel we’ve hired to this regime.
Adrock2099 - January 27, 2012
Correct. Holmgren, Heckert, Shurmur, Whipple, and Childress off the top of my head. Not sure if there are others.
Roger Dorn - January 27, 2012
gruden, reid, morninwheg … maybe jauron, too.
DontCallMeJoey - January 27, 2012
Lamonte, Rosenhause. Seriously why are there anymore agents besides these two?
macdowellm03 - January 27, 2012
well, tom condon’s client is bigger then both of those two combined.
DontCallMeJoey - January 27, 2012
There’s nothing more pitiful than a bunch of guys arguing over who has the biggest ‘client’.
JustBob - January 27, 2012
Nothing ore pitiful than not being able to recognize an actual argument. We’re just talking dude chill out.
macdowellm03 - January 27, 2012
Um, yeah. Or not being able to recognize a joke. I was responding to DCMJ’s post and thought it was pretty obvious I was making a joke when I typed ‘client’ instead of client. As if client was a euphemism?
JustBob - January 27, 2012
client list. tough leave out there…
sheesh … pull it together, DCMJ!
DontCallMeJoey - January 27, 2012
Yeah, sorry, I didn’t really pick up on it, lol.
macdowellm03 - January 27, 2012
Even worse, not getting the joke.
HenryDawg - January 27, 2012
Really I’ve never heard of him lol.
macdowellm03 - January 27, 2012
we only know of Lamonte because he represents a lot of WCO Front office people. Condon represents a lot more low key guys such as the mannings, brees, Peterson, Tomlinson, etc…
Not a lot of guys who are considered “me first” and grab the headlines outside of their play.
bross09 - January 28, 2012
that’s actually not at all true about condon, but it’s not really worth getting into. condon represents a ton of players of all personality stripes.
DontCallMeJoey - January 30, 2012
this is true because of being the biggest agent in the NFL. His biggest clients though tend to be more low key guys. For Rosenhaus, he represents a lot of star WRs (Dez, T.O, Plaxico, D-Jax, OchoCinco).
Condon definitely represents some headline grabbers, but because he doesn’t represent the T.Os and OchoCincos of the world, he isn’t as widely known as Rosenhaus
bross09 - January 31, 2012
yep, because coaching for the better part of a decade on the same sideline as Pat on a team Heckert helped run had nothing to do with a hire orchestrated by a super agent behind the scenes.
bross09 - January 27, 2012
Not really my point.
Roger Dorn - January 27, 2012
Because I would have been happy with Sherman as OC and he too is represented by Lamonte.
Roger Dorn - January 27, 2012
then what is the point of bringing up Lamonte in the first place? He represents at least 50% of guys out there who are familiar with the WCO and/or are from the Walsh coaching tree.
bross09 - January 27, 2012
Because I felt like it.
Roger Dorn - January 27, 2012
It’s just an interesting point, I don’t think he was trying to say it meant anything.
notthatnoise - January 27, 2012
It does feel like people are using it as a stick, when it probably is non-issue (not to say Dorn is doing that). Like I said in another post, Holmgren was his first client so its not surprising that all of Holmgren’s underlings would use him when it became their turn to hire an agent.
HenryDawg - January 27, 2012
I just want to make sure the best candidates are being hired, not because they have the right agent. If these are the best we can get, fine. But if we are not even pushing at someone like Jim Harbaugh because of the agent, then we have issues.
Roger Dorn - January 27, 2012
I understand this.
bross09 - January 28, 2012
I think what’s at play here is these are all people that know each other professionally going back a long way and they’ve worked together before, and that’s why they’re getting hired. Sharing an agent probably is related to that familiarity with one another, not the other way around.
And I’m fine with that. I’ve seen plenty of times how a disconnect at any level—HC to coaches, HC to GM, GM to president—can lead to a failure on the field. I like that the organization, top to bottom, is being filled by people that at the very least are all looking in the same direction.
nickjs21 - January 28, 2012
I am skeptical.
Roger Dorn - January 29, 2012
i hear you, but this is all holmgren and virtually zero lamonte. holmgren is hiring people from his lineage, most of whom happen to be represented by lamonte. the causality is holmgren’s, not lamonte’s.
DontCallMeJoey - January 30, 2012
only insofar as holmgren runs lamonte. holmgren was lamonte’s first client, and remains his biggest. 98% of lamonte’s clients come from holmgren’s tree, and 98% of holmgren’s hires come from holmgren’s tree, so most of the brain power in berea (or anywhere holmgren works) is likely to be represented by lamonte. the real situation is that holmgren runs berea, and by proxy lamonte runs berea.
DontCallMeJoey - January 27, 2012
Well, this couldn’t be much worse than just having Shurmur in charge of the game plan, or the head scratching moments that punctuated the Daboll era. Let’s see how this works
ouched - January 27, 2012
I’ll just go on record here as saying I think this is a poor hire. My biggest hope for hiring an OC was to get this team organized and prepared, and based on my subjective evaluation of Childress is that he will not do much to enhance this problem that I felt the team had. If anything, foresee us being roughly in the same amount of disarray offensively as this past season, with two guys to bear the responsibility.
Roger Dorn - January 27, 2012
I see why you would have that opinion of Childress, but consider the fact the both of the coaches who dealt with non-Packer Favre were not coaches prior to today. They both were too… idk… awe-struck with Favre. Childress seemed fine to me until Favre came along and they were expected to get to the NFC Championship.
macdowellm03 - January 27, 2012
I’m not even really talking about Favre in this case, more my belief that the Vikings under Childress were one of the most ill-prepared teams and one of the worst with clock management and in situations that demanded execution and organization. This is purely through my having watched the games and anecdotal, as is the case with most things.
Roger Dorn - January 27, 2012
This worries me too, but at the same time I still think it will be Shurmur who will handle most of the game day stuff. I think Childress is mostly here for gameplanning.
notthatnoise - January 27, 2012
I would feel better about this if I had the same faith in Shurmur to be organized. However, I am willing to give him a longer leash since it was his first year in charge.
Roger Dorn - January 27, 2012
Honestly, I don’t want to give him a longer leash, but he’s the coach for at least another year or two, and I don’t want to turn into LP.
notthatnoise - January 27, 2012
I am saying I am willing to have some patience and hope for the best.
Roger Dorn - January 27, 2012
i don’t think there’s any other option.
DontCallMeJoey - January 30, 2012
You are correct in your observations. A buddy of mine is a huge Vikings fan and has hated Childress from the first day he got there. According to my friend, Childress is an ego maniac who is ill-prepared, pitiful play caller and all around A**h**e.
OldTimeDawg - January 27, 2012
I don’t think ego is a problem with Holmgren hovering around.
macdowellm03 - January 27, 2012
I'll vouch that sentiment
The other negative, is while in Philly as the O.C., he didn’t call the plays, also, in Minnesota, the only year he did call plays, we were horrid, as stated in Red-Right’s post. As for Holmgren controlling Chilly, we shall see, but I do see this as a step backwards for the Browns. Whether it is Shurmur or Chilly calling the shots, there are better candidates or ones working up the ladder who may have filled these shoes alot better. ALso, his insistent play calling of run, run pass pretty much tipped off most teams. He is much to routine in his play calling and on top of that, his version of the West Coast offense has too many plays in it as well as confusing schemes. Something that hampered us with a rookie QB as well as made things difficult with a veteran.
There have been rumors of you guys trading up and taking Robert Griffin in the draft. Now, again, I know this is rumors, so not saying it’s gonna happen. However, let’s say it does come to bear. Chilly is the last person you would want “Mentoring” a QB. Just because he worked a few years with Donovan McNabb, he claimed the title of QB guru. This is far from the case. One has to look at Tavarius Jackson, who is at the moment in Seattle, as a good argument against this. T-Jack did have the skills to be a very good QB, but was far from mentally ready. Instead of being patient, Chilly threw T-Jack into the fold, to quickly before he was ready. This eventually led to the whole Favre debacle. Again, this whole Griffin scenario is just that, based on rumors. But it’s not the chance this team should be taking.
VikesFaninNM - January 27, 2012
Thanks for the info. I agree, he was terrible head coach, made horrible decisions, ruined Tavaris, who had potential. I think Tavaris could actually do well in Seattle.
HenryDawg - January 27, 2012
By “the whole Favre debacle,” I assume you’re including making it to the NFC Championship game. I think most people around here would pee their pants for joy if we just made the playoffs.
bbstirrd - January 27, 2012
Perhaps
But when you know deep down that it would be for one year at best, much like it was, I don’t now, I’d rather have someone who could be there for the next 5 or ore years, not one or two and hope to God it works out.
VikesFaninNM - January 28, 2012
The problem I have with the whole “called the plays/didn’t call the plays” correlation with Chilly is the major differences in personnel. Favre was not good that year, and I’d bet he changed a lot of stuff at the line.
T-Jack has been and always will be terrible.
rufio - January 28, 2012
Those characteristics (clock mgmt, disarray) seem to be common among first time head coaches – usually ones that go back to being coordinators.
HenryDawg - January 27, 2012
I did not like Chilly as a HC at all. At all.
I am still not sure how things will be run, even knowing Shurmur will probably run the plays, but typically the OC frees the HC up so that the HC can pay attention to timeouts, clock management, etc.
So it won’t be as bad as Minnesota, just as bad as last year. Which wasn’t good.
rufio - January 28, 2012
Now if we can get some of these new ‘post routes’ everyone’s been talking about…
dabooo - January 27, 2012
Maybe. Goodness knows we don’t have the personel to throw a decent fade.
ouched - January 27, 2012
I am officially on the fence with this hire. I have never really liked Childress too much, but he has a lot of experience and is liked by the FO. I’ll have to wait and see him talk about what he can do for the Browns before I begin complaining.
crazyL80 - January 27, 2012
Happy with the hire, disappointed that Shurmur held on to calling the plays. I know there are coaches that call the plays like Payton and Reid – but they are really good at it.
realmccoy - January 27, 2012
Did I miss the story where Shumur was keeping the play calling after this hire or was the play calling comment from previous discussions/
SBP - January 27, 2012
To be honest I’m not sure – was going on the post of notthatnoise above and quoted below.
“That’s perfectly fine, because Shurmur has stated he’s still calling plays”.
realmccoy - January 27, 2012
I ut up a fan shot yesterday linking to a story where Shurmur said that he would relinquish the play calling if they hired someone who was better. Don’t know if Shurmur considers Childress to be a better play caller than he is.
JustBob - January 27, 2012
we’re all gonna have to battle through this.
pwndabear - January 27, 2012
That’s my understanding. He’s a steady guy.
BornAKardiacKid - January 27, 2012
With childress’s play calling history, we all should be thankful that Shurmur will still be calling them.
OldTimeDawg - January 27, 2012
Chilly worked for Reid and like Pat they did not have any playcalling experience there. I personally like the structure better of having the OC calling plays with an active offensive HC as a double check and a veto.I would only have the coach call the plays if he demonstrates an outstanding ability to call plays. Clearly Payton does have it and is fantastic, Reid has had some outstanding years and others meh. My best example was the Tenn game where Pat just lost his focus and no one told him how screwed up he was. If Chilly pulled that – Pat could light him up and get him back to earth.
realmccoy - January 27, 2012
I am very, VERY disappointed that we didn’t hire Sherman.
OldTimeDawg - January 27, 2012
I also like Sherman. Seems like we were waiting to see what he decided and went with Chilly as the plan B.
Roger Dorn - January 27, 2012
Yea, I think that is what happened, too. I also believe if Sherman was the hire, he would have been calling the plays and that Shurmur will be calling the plays because Childress is the hire.
OldTimeDawg - January 27, 2012
Well if it is true that Pat was holding on to the PC duties – prolly better for him to sign in Miami.
realmccoy - January 27, 2012
The Philbin/Sherman combo makes more sense for them which is a direct GB line while the shurmur/Childress combo is an Andy Reid, eagles line which ties better to Heckert.
Shurmur and Sherman are too close. can you imagine the confusion? They would have to go by mur and man. Hey Mur, what’s the play, I don’t know ask Man! Oh crap, another delay of game.
SBP - January 27, 2012
I don’t think its so much not hiring Sherman as not being able to hire Sherman.
HenryDawg - January 27, 2012
Btw, I hope I am wrong and that Childress does a fantastic job.
OldTimeDawg - January 27, 2012
In fairness to Chilly, his quarterbacks in Minnesota were awful save for the one good Favre year.
hanover fist - January 27, 2012
On a sides note, the firing of a crappy beat reporter got more hoopla then the hiring of the OC.
SBP - January 27, 2012
Grossi said things every day, we only have to pay attention to the OC once a week.
notthatnoise - January 27, 2012
True
SBP - January 27, 2012
It’s not my job to pay attention to the OC.
JustBob - January 27, 2012
There are a few things going into that. First, the disdain for Grossi and his Browns coverage has been brewing around here for years. The other factor is that it’s the offseason. We won’t really see Childress impact the play on the field for quite some time.
Jon @ DBN - January 27, 2012
If Childress doesn’t cut it, I’m sure the FO wont waste any time kicking him to the curb. Maybe being out of football for a year has taught him a little humility.
Kaner - January 27, 2012
I hope so. I kinda doubt it but you never can tell.
macdowellm03 - January 27, 2012
Well there is some logic on our side. Normally you have to be a good coord to get a HC job. Then even when you flameout you get some experiences that help you. Some of the finest coords are ex HCs.
realmccoy - January 27, 2012 via mobile
That’s an excellent point.
Jon @ DBN - January 27, 2012
Case in point- I believe was our best hire last offseason. Granted the defense still has room for improvement, Jauron brought a lot to the table and has made our defense the strength of the team. There’s no reason to say that Chilly couldn’t do that with the offense.
BornAKardiacKid - January 27, 2012
Honestly, I’m just happy there’s someone to take some the load off of Shurmur’s shoulders. I am disappointed we won’t be able to shorten their names in to something into something as cool as Shermanurmur or Shurmurman.
Adrock2099 - January 27, 2012
Shurmeness?
lightninmcqueen - January 27, 2012 via mobile
That sounds like a high-ranking female from a fantasy story. I like it! Childurmon would be good too, it sounds like a Pokemon.
Adrock2099 - January 27, 2012
Then it’s evolution would be Holmgromon.
He’d look something like a walrus.
SpecialBrownie - January 27, 2012
What? Childurmon is evolving!
Childurmon evolved into Holmgromon!
Doc's Kid - January 27, 2012
Dammit they already thought of it!
I still feel a potential meme being born…
SpecialBrownie - January 28, 2012
Childurmon makes me think of Saruman:
Jon @ DBN - January 27, 2012
Chilledurmom?
North Coast Flea - January 27, 2012
AWEEEE YEAH.
SpecialBrownie - January 27, 2012
Wait.
SpecialBrownie - January 27, 2012
He looks like he’s having a stroke.
North Coast Flea - January 28, 2012
I am very glad for this hire.
jonnyphoenix - January 27, 2012
Too bad his weakness is QBs.
SpecialBrownie - January 27, 2012
Thats alright…we dont have one.
jonnyphoenix - January 27, 2012
Is Childress part of the Bill Walsh coaching tree?
I don’t see him listed on this guys ass tat…Holmgren is though…
Kosar19 - January 27, 2012
Awful. Just awful.
Dawg Nuts - January 29, 2012
how should we feel about the fact that shurmur used to work for childress? obviously, the pecking order will have been laid out, but once childress gets in the building, how is that going to play out? by all accounts, childress has a big ego, and i don’t see shurmur as a huge ego guy … does childress make things more confusing?
DontCallMeJoey - January 27, 2012
This is the part that goes something like:
Shurmur: When I came to you I was but a learner, now I am the master.
Chilly: Only a master of 4-12, punk!
JustBob - January 30, 2012
I like the hire.
I think Dorn raises a good point about the organizational issues (see him sending 12 men on to the field in the NFC Championship game), but I love the fact that Shurmur is surrounding himself with vets. I think with less on his plate, Childress (should we start calling him Chilly? Because I think it makes a man sound like a douche to call another man Chilly, but I don’t want to type out his entire name 1,000,000 times this season) will do better.
With the possibility of bringing in a rookie QB, and a lot of new toys on offense, the fact that we have some guys that have been down this road will help. I think Childress will be great for Shurmur to lean on.
Remember, at this same point last season, everyone was hating on the Jauron hire. Maybe H&H know what they are doing.
Bernie19Kosar - January 27, 2012
I liked the Jauron hire!
Roger Dorn - January 28, 2012
so did I. were were the few people tooting that horn.
bross09 - January 28, 2012
i hated the jauron hire and i’m pretty lukewarm on this one. just for the record.
DontCallMeJoey - January 30, 2012
So.. when is Grossi going to write about this in the….. Oh wait, he got FIRED!
macdowellm03 - January 27, 2012
MKC already put out her fluff piece.
Roger Dorn - January 28, 2012
So she’s a fluffer?
Dawg Nuts - January 29, 2012
Im just happy we have an OC.
Now on to finding a QB…
BELIEVELAND - January 27, 2012
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