Good morning Browns fans. After holding a press conference with team president Mike Holmgren last Thursday, general manager Tom Heckert will be busy doing two interviews on the radio this morning.
At 11:00 PM EST, he will be on The Really Big Show with Rizzo and Goldhammer. That will air on ESPN 850 WKNR. Alternatively, you can listen online at ESPN Cleveland. Send some tweets or emails to them to see if they'll ask any of your questions. Then, at 4:00 PM EST, Heckert will be on Bull & Fox on 92.3 The Fan. You can also listen to that online.
There probably won't be a whole lot of new information revealed; if there were any pressing issues, they were asked last week. And, for any questions that Heckert was evasive on, there's really no reason for that to change now. Still, it's Browns-related and you never know if he'll slip up, so try tuning in to at least one of the shows!
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I’m listening to him on WKNR right now. I like what I’m hearing from him a lot more than what I heard during the press conference.
Simmsinns - January 12, 2012
Heckert just said "I think Colt McCoy can play in this league and be successful in this league. I think with a full offseason and some better weapons around him we could win some of those game we lost this year. So much for drafting RG3.
PaduaDSP - January 12, 2012
I think the implication could be that he’s unwilling to trade up to get him, but I wouldn’t be surprised if we did pick RG3 should he be available at #4.
batard - January 12, 2012
i would be very surprised if we got him, because its likely justin blackmon will also be available at 4.
Jonngotti - January 12, 2012
Are you content with our QB situation?
notthatnoise - January 12, 2012
Nobody is at this point, but now H&H have both said it…..it takes time. They believe in the kid. Maybe we should too.
The New Kardiac Kids - January 12, 2012
Here again, they also talked about money, running backs and defensive players. We are not taking RG3….sorry.
The New Kardiac Kids - January 12, 2012
You can’t rule that out, especially based on his past two interviews.
Simmsinns - January 12, 2012
If you can show me where Holmgren has ever put up a “smokescreen”, I will entertain that.
The New Kardiac Kids - January 12, 2012
See: every mock draft last year.
rufio - January 13, 2012
I thought there was a good chance for a trade down, I didn’t read many mocks.
Roger Dorn - January 13, 2012
Maybe on a few, but never for Taylor. If we went DT, it would have been without a trade for Fairley. Taylor seemed like a surprise pick for everyone.
Doc's Kid - January 13, 2012
I think the most surprising part was that we traded back up to get Taylor not the initial trade down. I figured once we traded down the FO had a good idea about 1-2 player they would be satisfied selecting. I was much more surprised we traded back up than I was that we traded down.
PaduaDSP - January 13, 2012
I think it’s almost impossible to predict the eventual selection when you trade back 20 picks.
Roger Dorn - January 13, 2012
I know we all want the miracle, but from a bosses standpoint, they said “you need to compete this year in (a full) camp. There will be competition.” They are giving him another year. I just hope to hell they give him something to work with.
The New Kardiac Kids - January 12, 2012
If it fails, I know of at least 2 senior QB’s I like.
The New Kardiac Kids - January 12, 2012
The bosses are saying that the QB position is already open for competition. They handed Colt the job last year and said “Colt is our guy.”
What they are saying right now is that Colt isn’t so clearly the best guy that the job is his. They are saying “the best QB will play” and what they are implying is that that guy might not be Colt.
rufio - January 13, 2012
I know.
The New Kardiac Kids - January 13, 2012
What I just said is completely different than “They are giving him another year”
rufio - January 13, 2012
I didn’t give the presser man.
The New Kardiac Kids - January 13, 2012
I’m telling you that what you just said did not accurately represent what H&H said, then you say “I know.” Then you tell me you didn’t give the presser?
I know you didn’t give the presser, and I’m not at all confused by what was said in the press conference. I’m confused that you are making a huge assumption based on something that was not actually said in the press conference.
rufio - January 13, 2012
Actually I put in quotes what they said.
The New Kardiac Kids - January 13, 2012
Right. But all that talk about “competition” means that they will NOT be giving him another year (which you said. You said "they are giving him another year).
They’ve effectively already taken the starting job away from him and thrown it up for grabs. Now, Colt may lock the job down again next year, but they are not giving him another year with the job as his to lose.
rufio - January 13, 2012
Ok, but you clearly have some kind of issue with me. Why?
The New Kardiac Kids - January 13, 2012
I don’t have any issue with you. I’m honestly confused as to what you have been trying to say to me and why.
rufio - January 13, 2012
I never said quote unquote they are giving him another year. Do you believe in McCoy?
The New Kardiac Kids - January 13, 2012
Sorry, I mean verbatim from FO.
The New Kardiac Kids - January 13, 2012
Please clarify this. This is what you wrote that has me confused. Because that looks to me like you assumed they would give Colt another year as the starter.
I believe Colt is a helluva guy, a tough sonofabitch, and not a terrible football player. He hasn’t shown me anything that leads me to believe he is the next Drew Brees. He could still become great but I think it is possible as opposed to probable.
rufio - January 13, 2012
Nope, I said the FO was keeping him around for a “competition”. Where did I say starter?
The New Kardiac Kids - January 13, 2012
“Something to work with” was my thought from a fan perspective.
The New Kardiac Kids - January 13, 2012
You said exactly what I quoted you as saying! You never qualified that with “for a competition”—can you not see how I would interpret your comment a different way?
rufio - January 13, 2012
I know we all want the miracle, but from a bosses standpoint, they said "you need to compete this year in (a full) camp. There will be competition." They are giving him another year. I just hope to hell they give him something to work with.
The New Kardiac Kids - January 13, 2012
Why did you post this? I’ve read it multiple times.
They aren’t “giving him another year” and I am going to bed. Goodnight sir.
rufio - January 13, 2012
Haha, this is an amazing example of someone backtracking the shit out of themselves, and revising what they said after getting called out. Hilarious.
kwoog - January 13, 2012
“you need to compete this year in (a full) camp. There will be competition.”
The New Kardiac Kids - January 13, 2012
Sounds like another year of McCoy…win or lose. they aren’t taking a QB at 4…that’s all I said. Night.
The New Kardiac Kids - January 13, 2012
Lol he’s done this before. It’s really funny.
SpecialBrownie - January 13, 2012
What do You do besides make play dates?
The New Kardiac Kids - January 13, 2012
Cuz u just told me I didn’t qualify the “competition”…I will paste it again…
The New Kardiac Kids - January 13, 2012
Geez, you put in quotes what was said at the presser. We get that. Then you add this…
That in a nutshell makes the implication that you are saying McCoy is playing next year and we aren’t looking for a QB. That’s why its confusing to hear you say that then turn around and say that you never said he was going to be the starter.
Kimble_79 - January 13, 2012
Holmgren said “It takes a little while” regarding the QB and the system….You guys read this too.
The New Kardiac Kids - January 13, 2012
Answer my question.
The New Kardiac Kids - January 13, 2012
This reads like champion64 all over again.
Adrock2099 - January 13, 2012
NO IT DOESN’T!!!!!!!
Dawg Nuts - January 13, 2012
You forgot to put a 2 at the end of that.
North Coast Flea - January 13, 2012
I’m glad I don’t get this reference.
I never read these massive 1 inch threads.
Simmsinns - January 14, 2012
Just reply to them?
chitown browns fan - January 14, 2012
I guess “never” was too strong a word. I don’t read the entire massive 1 inch threads.
Simmsinns - January 14, 2012
It was accurate.
The New Kardiac Kids - January 13, 2012
Don’t buy in to coach speak before the off season even really starts.
North Coast Flea - January 13, 2012
I guess so, just by the sound of his voice and how excited he got talking about McCoy it sounded to me like he was content going into next season with McCoy as our starter. Obviously it’s way to early to tell but that’s how it sounded to me.
PaduaDSP - January 12, 2012
You know, it could be a smoke screen too. Maybe, just maybe Heckert wants Washington or Miami to rest on their laurels and not trade up to grab RG3 because of what they are saying about McCoy.
dirtyjoe - January 12, 2012
If Washington or Miami want RGIII, I think they will move up to get him no matter what anyone in our FO says. Dorn’s comment above seems more likely to me.
JustBob - January 13, 2012
IDN. If Zimmer gets the Miami HC job they may want to go defense with their first pick.
Brownie's Year - January 13, 2012
I think he’s saying that because it would be absolutely nonproductive to bash the current quarterback here. The Jets are proof of that. If you listened to the whole thing you also heard that he absolutely will consider taking a QB at #4, and will not rule out anything, even Andrew Luck, as unlikely as that possibility is.
Simmsinns - January 12, 2012
yeah he basically said anything is possible with the 4th pick.
PaduaDSP - January 12, 2012
Right.
Simmsinns - January 12, 2012
I think they are doing an excellent job, NO one knows what were are looking at to draft. They are not tipping their hand and they are waiting. When is the deadline to declare for the draft?
champion64 - January 12, 2012
Agreed. It would also make no sense whatsoever to say that he wouldn’t consider taking a QB with #4, even if he were dead set against it in reality. The inherent trade value of the pick is only increased if the other teams looking for a QBotF believe we’re also interested in that pick for that same reason.
chitown browns fan - January 12, 2012
Exactly.
Simmsinns - January 12, 2012
Exactly, what else is he going to say? “I think Colt McCoy can definitely be a solid backup in this league, but he’s not going to cut it as a full-time starter, especially not with that weak arm. But we will keep him around for a spot start here and there if our QB gets injured unless some team is dumb enough to give us a mid round draft pick for him.”
TheDriveStillHurts - January 12, 2012
Don’t forget he’s too short!
Doc's Kid - January 12, 2012
drew brees is shorter and did worse than mccoy did in his first 16 game season.
Jonngotti - January 12, 2012
Not this again. Drew Brees was able to play well later in his career in spite of those things, not because of them.
notthatnoise - January 12, 2012
okay cool…so whos to say colt mccoy cant do the same thing with the right offensive playmakers?
Jonngotti - January 17, 2012
Oi vey
HenryDawg - January 12, 2012
I’m a McCoy supporter. I was just making fun of how his height has been subject to so much debate. Same thing whenever I say we should have kept Vickers. That’s long past us now. Those horses weren’t only beaten to death, they were also shot, stabbed, and run over with a car. Basically they hung out with the Ravens.
Doc's Kid - January 12, 2012
To have the players around you to be able to instantly produce ( Cam Newton has Steve Smith to throw to – who do we have as a star WR- → No one) as a rookie is something we all pretty much were hoping for. The reality is, that we are very very offensive deficient and still really not there with the defense either. This 3rd H&H draft along with really “KEY” free agent signings will show where we are going as a team. A “QUALITY” veteran on the rightside OL would be a huge start, along with a WR, DE, LB, & S. Then use the draft to add the explosive difference makers.
We will never know if he’s the real McCoy unless we have the tools in place for any QB to suceed…
J. W. - January 13, 2012
Steve smith sucked for years until cam came along
macdowellm03 - January 13, 2012 via Android app
Having Matt Moore, Jimmy Clausen and a washed up Delhomme throwing to him.
North Coast Flea - January 13, 2012
not years. He looked to be on the downslope and I thought he was losing a bit of explosiveness, but as NCF said he had shitty QBs
bross09 - January 13, 2012
That’s kinda part of what I’m saying. WR’s need QB’s to be better
macdowellm03 - January 13, 2012
What!?
rufio - January 13, 2012
Exactly. Why would he rag on Colt when there’s a chance we won’t even have a shot at RG3? What do you say after that happens?
batard - January 12, 2012
I don’t understand this fascination with RGIII, he’s not that big of an upgrade over McCoy, if any. RGIII would be a total waste of a #4 pick, for that matter he would be a waste at #22 also. This team has more needs that are much more pressing than starting over again at the QB position, positions like a stud WR, O-lineman, RB, DE, LB, just to name a couple. If RGIII were available in the 3rd or 4th round then absolutely take him but not before.
Steve n NC - January 12, 2012
Omg you are going to hear it now.
champion64 - January 12, 2012
Ha, I’m a big guy I can take it, if not I’ll just move my big ass out from in front of my computer screen and park it in front of the tv and forget all about this.
Steve n NC - January 12, 2012
Search my posts for reply. I’ve spent way to much time answering this kind of thing though I share some of your doubts about RGIII in particular.
Brownsyup - January 12, 2012
This. Whatever your thoughts on this topic, we’ve discussed it to no end. No one’s mind is being changed — most of us think it makes sense to get a new QB for the right price, but there is a minority who want to keep McCoy around and try to further groom him with “weapons.”
TheDriveStillHurts - January 12, 2012
Nothing wrong with that thinking. Opinion is an opinion, even if others do not agree. My only problem is when someone even mentions keeping McCoy instead of drafting RG3 or defends McCoy, the whole DBN comes down on them with a Vengence. Basically, the McCoy defender gets beaten down and heckled unless they change their mind or partially agree with the Board. Minority or not, no one should have to be called stupid, ignorant, or dumb for their opinion. The high and mighty routine is getting really old with all the “experts” and long timers trying to tell everyone how to think and being A-holes when you don’t agree with them. This isn’t aimed at you TheDriveStillHurts. I don’t want you to think that because I have put this under your comment that I am attacking you. I am only making a general statement as to what I see on these boards.
dirtyjoe - January 12, 2012
I could not agree more. If we all knew how to run a football team, we would be running the Browns. Opinion is just that and we all have opinions. Even when references are made ans stats are flown around like we are experts with Google we are still basing our opinions off of those facts. Point being, i may not be the oldest person in this room, but I have watched Browns games back to the Brian Sipe era and I still have my opinions on what the Browns should do, but I still lay my faith in the people who are hired to make my favorite football team successful.
We can debate RGIII all day and I am with the minority here. He wasn’t even on the radar until he exploded this year against a suspect and mediocre Big 12 conference. I do not want RGIII. I want a playmaker that can stretch the field or I want a playmaking running back to take the pressure off of Colt McCoy. Colt was a great college quarterback too and he should be alloted the chance to succeed. Now, if Blackmon is gone I would not be against Richardson at 4 and cross our fingers maybe Jeffrey is there at 22. If Colt is given weapons and still does not progress, Barkley and possibly a much improved Landry will be there next year.
Granville74 - January 12, 2012
Why do you feel this team owes anything to Colt? The job of the FO is to do anything and everything to win football games, regardless of the impact on any one particular player. For evidence, look no further than the Indianapolis Colts, who are allegedly considering shipping Peyton Manning out and replacing him with Andrew Luck. There isn’t a single player in the NFL that is owed anything, especially one who hasn’t done much worth holding onto.
Dawg Nuts - January 13, 2012
This is false. I actually had him on my radar of a guy to watch more.
And sometimes those guys on your radar have a good season at a more well known school and just kinda stay there. Leinart is a good example of a guy who was on the radar after a good year, but actually got worse.
bross09 - January 13, 2012
RG3 is both of those things in one and
probablyeasily the best one in this draft.HenryDawg - January 13, 2012
Nobody’s ever called anyone else here “stupid, ignorant, or dumb” for wanting McCoy to start. Stop being a drama queen about it. Jeesh. You probably got a lot of people who were pretty much sick of his schtick near the end of the year and were frustrated, but I don’t think anyone was personally insulted the way you describe for wanting to stay the course. It’s just that a lot of people here don’t agree, don’t confuse an unpopular opinion with getting beat up.
HenryDawg - January 12, 2012
HenryDawg…There have been a ton of insults thrown at McCoy supporters on this forum (especially at the end of the year). If you take it as whining, then fine, take it as such. I am only stating that here on DBN, if you disagree with the majority, you get your rear end handed to you. Instead of insulting intelligence like some DBNers do, come in with facts and reasoning. Don’t just throw out the typical BS that gets repeated over and over again on here. People say things on here like they are facts when in reality it is nothing but their opinion. Show me that Colt McCoy is too short for the NFL. Show me that his arm strength is weak and can’t make the throws. Prove to me he is not making the proper reads. Prove it with facts, stats, and video. I like when Rufio does his breakdowns with videos because I can see for myself what is working and what is not. It is broken down for all of us to see. Otherwise we are only spinning our wheels with opinion. You have your opinion, I have mine. I would like to be able to air my opinion without some douche telling me my opinion sucks and I have no clue.
dirtyjoe - January 12, 2012
Colt McCoy proves everything you said on his own, I don’t need to prove it, watch a game, read the stat line. Why don’t you show me where is the potential down the road to get better? And besides that, my only point is that just because some of us are frustrated that we never take chances on blue chip QBs, you take that as us belittling and insulting you. Get over it, we don’t care, we want to win and you win by having a great QB.
Nonetheless, I’ll give you a perfect example of why Colt seems like he won’t be able to overcome his limitations. Steelers game, Colt breaks the pocket (probably feeling more pressure than is actually there), his deep receiver, Evan Moore, does what he’s supposed to do when the QB is on the run and turns up field. Colt heaves, as in a 15-20 yard heave like he’s throwing a bowling ball over a moat, towards Moore but is about 5 yards too short and it gets picked by Palamalu. I could find plenty of other poor reads, throws, exaggeration of pressure and inaccuracy. The guy needs to literally see with his eyes that a guy is wide open before he throws it. That’s not going to happen very often in the NFL, you need to be able to read the receiver and throw before he’s open. If not, the defender has closed the gap and is breaking up the pass or tackling the receiver for little gain. He throws 15 yard passes like Doug Flutie throwing a hail mary. Go watch some games and then come back and talk to me. I’m more than willing to sit around another year waiting for him to get better, but what I can’t stand is someone who knows crap about RG3, hasn’t seen him play or even watched a YouTube video but proclaims they have a bad feeling about him. Sorry if I have almost no football respect for someone that lazy and ignorant.
To sum up, I’m not Rufio, most of us aren’t, but certainly have learned tons from him which have influenced my opinions. I’ve backed up every point I’ve made at some point, but I’m not going to do it in every damn comment I make, I feel repetitive enough as it is. There is plenty of info out there about why RG3 could be a stud, how about some of you doubters tell us why you don’t think he’ll be good (other than you’ve mentally equated him to Jamarcus Russel and Akili Smith but your just saying its a “feeling”).
I can’t stand listening to is Colt supporters playing the role of persecuted minority, and all the rest of big, bad DBN is out to get them. I want Colt to be the guy – you think I wouldn’t rather draft other players with our 9 draft picks? Hell yes I do, tell me why I should, other than you think he’s a nice guy and he can take a hit.
HenryDawg - January 12, 2012
Then don’t listen. If an opinion is stated that you disagree with, you don’t have to comment on it. That is a choice everyone here makes. I have stated over and over that everyone here is entitled to their opinion on DBN. The problem is sometimes when someone mentions a different opinion from the Majority, they get rained upon with sarcasm and sometimes derogatory statements. I don’t want to spend the time looking up old posts where it got nasty to prove my point. I respect every opinion on here, no matter how much I disagree. It is not just McCoy, RG3, or the O-line, it is everything. I like DBN and enjoy most of the posts. There is a lot of knowledge within these boards, but quite a bit of Holier than Thou here too.
Most people here state that RG3 could be the savior of the team. What attributes in RG3 are better than McCoy’s current Attributes? A stronger arm, Taller, Sees the field better? My opinion is RG3 is an upgrade, but not a head and shoulders upgrade over McCoy like most here state. If we are going to get a new QB, quit screwing with the 2nd tier and go after the closest to the sure thing. Andrew Luck is the QB that needs to be had, not Griffen. Next years draft will have several QBs that will look better after polishing their final college year with Barkley and Jones. If we can’t get Luck, go after these 2 next year. Trade the #4 pick if Griffen is there and we can make a play for QB next year (barring we don’t get Luck).
dirtyjoe - January 12, 2012
Colt McCoy is the bar napkin sitting under the shot of Jaeger that is RG3. They’re not anywhere near comparable so just stop it, go watch some video and let it go.
HenryDawg - January 12, 2012
You have absolutely no way of knowing this. Anything can happen in 15 months, Barkley and Jones could have been injured or regressed by April 2013. However, I know what I have seen and what the experts have said about RG3, and I would like to see it in orange and brown.
Dawg Nuts - January 13, 2012
Yes, and RG3 breaks his leg coming off the aircraft when he lands in Cleveland. No one knows what can happen with injuries or regression. I would say their is a 50/50 chance that at least one of them will be there in the 2013 draft.
dirtyjoe - January 13, 2012
I don’t think it’s wise to rely on the 2013 draft at this point. Yes, anything could happen before the 2012 draft but there’s more time and more opportunities for things to get screwed up for the 2013 draft. Heck, a bunch of teams could suddenly suck and go 3-13 and push our draft pick in 2013 down and those QBs are gone before we can get them.
Legoman0721 - January 13, 2012 via Android app
Anything can happen. I think H&H did not improve the offense in order to have a shot at Luck this year. The Colts got Lucky? that Manning went out when he did. Otherwise if Manning was playing, the Rams or Vikings would have had the top pick. 2 first rounders plus a 2nd would have been a no brainer for either of these teams to move Luck. Leave it to the Colts to throw the monkey wrench in the plan.
dirtyjoe - January 13, 2012
I really have thought for awhile this has been their plan for this year, but they can still use those picks.
HenryDawg - January 13, 2012
We could go a very pedestrian 7-9 too.
HenryDawg - January 13, 2012
This. I also forgot to mention that even if Jones and Barkley do continue to succeed and remain top prospects, they won’t be available at #32 in the 2013 draft anyway.
Dawg Nuts - January 14, 2012
Rec!
HenryDawg - January 14, 2012
Hoohah!
BuenosAires_Dawg - January 14, 2012
let’s not talk about a freak accident. DN is talking about football injuries which is a legitimate concern. maybe you don’t remember the Barkley thread but he was criticized because this very thing could happen and he could get hurt and it has happened before.
The point he is making though is that you shouldn’t count your chickens and rely on a draft 15 months away and a whole NCAAF season away.
bross09 - January 13, 2012
Thank you.
Dawg Nuts - January 14, 2012
I mean Jones already has looked like a worse prospect than he did a year ago.
rufio - January 13, 2012
Yeah, I’ve never been wild about the idea of taking him anyway for that reason.
Dawg Nuts - January 14, 2012
I’d like to see him rebound next year. Also, how old is he?
rufio - January 15, 2012
He’ll be 23 in April, so 24 by the time he hits the NFL. Not as bad as Weeden, but still losing a couple of years.
Dawg Nuts - January 15, 2012
He made the right choice in going back to school. He would have been the third best QB in this draft (maybe worse). Next year if he has a great year and Barkley doesn’t Jones could go first overall.
notthatnoise - January 14, 2012
the only reason he would have even sniffed the 3rd best QB is because Barkley also went back
bross09 - January 14, 2012
He was absolutely plummeting. Would have needed a Cutleresque rise in the draft pre season.
rufio - January 15, 2012
To be fair, this same coomet could be reversed to what you are talking about here.
North Coast Flea - January 13, 2012
*comment, sheesh that was an ugly typo.
North Coast Flea - January 13, 2012
True, but I am not going out of my way to attack someones logic. If I have done that before, I apologize. That is where things get fuzzy.
dirtyjoe - January 13, 2012
I myself haven’t seen many instances of someone’s opinion being attacked, maybe challenged with a counter opinion, but I don’t think it’s as big a problem as it’s being made out to be.
North Coast Flea - January 13, 2012
Sometimes tone is a big issue in a sentence. It does amaze me how an email or comment can set someone off just because of how a tone can be presented. Using terms like “you” or using similar “accusatory” statements can be misinterpreted. It happens quite a bit on here. I get wound up very quickly, especially if I feel brushed off or dismissed (I am sure everyone does at one time or another). Here is an example:
Nothing against HenryDawg, I am only using this as an example. Something like this seems derogatory to McCoy even though it is roundabout way of saying that RG3 is physically better than McCoy. I personally take offense to comments similar to this because it discounts anything McCoy did this year as inferior. I saw a lot of good and bad with McCoy this year and I believe he should at least be respected for what he had to endure, failures and all (my opinion). Then it is implied that I need to watch video because obviously my lack of knowledge is keeping me from seeing the light that is RG3. That is only one comment on here and there are several more throughout all threads on DBN. Take a look at my tagline, it fits very, very, well.
dirtyjoe - January 13, 2012
Wow you’re taking a bad analogy about someone else personally? You also completely ignored anything I said about why I didn’t think Colt had “It” and you haven’t given any reasons that you think we shouldn’t draft RG3. I just said I’m tired of the RG3 bashers not providing a reason we shouldn’t draft him (other than he’s going to break his leg getting off the plane). I’ve back up my feelings about Colt with facts. I like the kid and wanted him to be the guy, I don’t think he is at this point. Neither do a lot of people, and some of us are high on RG3. You don’t have to like him, but it would be nice to hear some realistic reasons other than “I just don’t think we should draft him” or “we shouldn’t take a QB high unless its Andrew Luck.” Luck can very easily be a bust too you know. There’s going to be a ton of pressure on him to turn around Indy who’s not going to have many weapons left.
HenryDawg - January 13, 2012
Not a hit on you HenryDawg…it is not personal. I only used your comment as an example. Luck is unanimously the closest to the sure thing. Is RG3 good? Yes. Is RG3 better than Colt? I don’t know if he is or isn’t. There is more to a QB than footwork and a strong arm. Same size as Colt…check. Came from a college spread like Colt….check. Played in a very weak Big 12 conference like Colt….check. Arm Strength is better than Colt…yes. Is he smarter than Colt and can he adjust to defenses in the NFL…I don’t know. Is RG3 the sure thing….I don’t know that either. Why go for something that is a question mark rather than a sure thing? That is what I am trying to push out here. Nobody is bashing RG3. I trust H&H will do what needs to be done. Overall, I think it is a moot point though. RG3 will be off the board before the 4th pick.
dirtyjoe - January 13, 2012
There’s no such thing as a sure thing when it comes to QBs.
North Coast Flea - January 13, 2012
Point me in the direction of all the sure things in the draft, then we won’t have to draft any question marks!
RyanBr - January 13, 2012
He’s bigger than Colt, he is easily as smart or smarter than Colt, makes excellent on field decisions, high athletic and football IQ, great leader, exciting player who can attract other play makers.
I’m fine with you wanting Luck more, but I’m going under the assumption we can’t get him. If can then I’m totally fine with that. Personally I have this weird feeling that RG3 would be better for us in the long run but I wouldn’t be unhappy with either.
My biggest concern is that I truly don’t think we’ll be drafting this low for quite some time but I do think we could get stuck being one of those teams that draft 10-12 every year but never seem to go anywhere. I also think Luck/Griffin is much better than Barkley/Jones and we get them a whole extra year to develop.
HenryDawg - January 13, 2012
C’mon now HenryDawg, I like RG3 as much as the next guy, but you are really reaching here. How in the world can you make such a claim?
burntorangeandbrown - January 13, 2012
He finished a masters degree in 4 years?
HenryDawg - January 13, 2012
He officially got his master’s?
bross09 - January 13, 2012
12 hours left
HenryDawg - January 13, 2012
damn. That’s pretty close. getting it also in Poly-Sci? (just randomly curious)
bross09 - January 13, 2012
I think his masters is in communications but only 10% of the country has a masters of any sort so I wouldn’t discredit it in any way. I have one but actually worked 10xs harder for a BA. Any way you slice it he’s not a empty head.
HenryDawg - January 14, 2012
I wouldn’t discredit a masters degree in any field. I just remember reading he got his bachelor’s in poly-sci and it would be pretty darn impressive to have a master’s in that.
bross09 - January 14, 2012
Masters degree =/= smarter than someone who doesn’t have a masters. I have a bachelors, and I can guarantee you I know plenty of people with masters I’d match wits and brains with any day. That’s great that he has a masters, but it doesn’t make him “smarter” than McCoy.
burntorangeandbrown - January 14, 2012
That’s true, I agree on the first part, but I say may be smarter, obviously I have no idea and I think Colt is smart. I just also know Griffin is not dumb. I also like his personality. I think he’s the kind of guy to get more out of his teammates than Colt, and that’s a completely subjective opinion.
HenryDawg - January 14, 2012
To me, the dedication and work ethic that you need to get a master’s as quickly as RG3 did are more important than guessing about his intelligence.
Legoman0721 - January 14, 2012 via Android app
And really its a very specific type of intelligence that matters on a football field anyway. Nothing that a masters in communications will test.
rufio - January 15, 2012
I always am sure to mention that he’s generally intelligent AND seems to have high football IQ. I also agree with Legoman that the work ethic is the impressive part.
HenryDawg - January 15, 2012
No NFL team felt Colt was worth drafting until the 3rd round; every NFL team and scouting guru has RG3 as a top 5 guy. That should tell you there’s a big difference between the two.
And as always, don’t give me Tom Brady. That’s a rare example, and Colt is no Tom Brady.
Dawg Nuts - January 14, 2012
Grow some thicker skin would be my suggestion. It will help you out heaps around here.
North Coast Flea - January 13, 2012
Nah, I would rather be butt hurt //sarc//
dirtyjoe - January 13, 2012
If it hurts going out, eat more fiber. If it hurts going in, use more lube.
Doc's Kid - January 13, 2012
But it hurts when it goes in and out lol.
dirtyjoe - January 13, 2012
This made me laugh pretty hard. Rec.
North Coast Flea - January 13, 2012
Honest question, what “good” did you see out of McCoy this year? I’m not even looking for the “a lot of good” you reference… but even just one good thing. Because I can’t think of one.
kwoog - January 13, 2012
This question has been answered several times.
Brownie's Year - January 13, 2012
I agree with BY here. Your question is pretty over the top.
North Coast Flea - January 14, 2012
I think the last drive against Miami was the highlight of his year. The rest was weak.
Roger Dorn - January 14, 2012
He threw more TDs than Interceptions.
notthatnoise - January 14, 2012
With all due respect: Lighten up, Francis.
You’re reading way too much into a football blog.
Dawg Nuts - January 14, 2012
Rarely does ANYONE say that anyone else’s opinion “sucks” what they do is tell their opinion and why it differs from yours. I come to DBN to see the opinions that are different from mine because I love football and the browns. If you feel you are being attacked you are being over sensitive, not to mention if you don’t like it, you can leave.
macdowellm03 - January 12, 2012 via Android app
I mean it really isn’t an “opinion” that Colt didn’t get it done this year. He led us to 4-12. He led an inefficient offense. There’s really no need to prove that.
I guess whether you believe in him going forward is a different story, but I don’t know what people are seeing that makes them say “yes, Colt is definitely the guy for the job.” I mean, where do you see that in what he’s done this past year?
rufio - January 13, 2012
Give him a decent OC.
The New Kardiac Kids - January 13, 2012
He had one. Do you understand the plethora of excuses being made for Colt here? He had a bad line. He didn’t have any good receivers. He played in a bad scheme. He had a bad coach.
Other QBs succeed despite those things. Talent shows up on tape and the video doesn’t lie.
rufio - January 13, 2012
I know…I said I know earlier…..u r off the chain.
The New Kardiac Kids - January 13, 2012
Wait, so you know he’s right, but you’re still arguing with him?
notthatnoise - January 13, 2012
OK….what I have said is that I’m all for RG3…..yet, I am pretty sure the front office is not going to get a better prospect than McCoy this year. He is arguing how bad McCoy sucks. So sorry. McCoy is what we got.
The New Kardiac Kids - January 13, 2012
He actually had a pretty decent line imo…
bross09 - January 13, 2012
I see the point you are making but they aren’t going QB 1st round this year.
The New Kardiac Kids - January 13, 2012
Nowhere did I say that we were definitely drafting a QB in the first round this year.
rufio - January 13, 2012
No, but you clearly aren’t sold on Colt.
The New Kardiac Kids - January 13, 2012
Again, what the hell does that have to do with anything being discussed? I am trying to have a legitimate discussion with dirtyjoe, who clearly believes Colt shows promise. I am simply wondering what exactly he has seen that leads him to believe that.
rufio - January 13, 2012
Sorry, talk to Dirtyjoe.
The New Kardiac Kids - January 13, 2012
Haha I was trying to!
rufio - January 13, 2012
Neither am I, but I am not sure we draft RG3 either.
bross09 - January 13, 2012
I never said Colt was the guy even though I hope he is. I think the Browns would make a mistake going after RG3. If we are going to upgrade our QB, quit piddling around and go after the big prize in Luck. RG3 has a little more mystery surrounding him concerning play in the NFL and that worries me. He is an electrifying player, but so are most “top” tier QBs coming out of college. RG3 is not Cam Newton, but it seems like a lot of people believe he could be. People here were not clamoring for Cam Newton a year ago, but the knee jerk reaction after Newton’s big year seems to have people in a tizzy about RG3.
dirtyjoe - January 13, 2012
In reality Rufio, I don’t see another standout option out there this year besides Andrew Luck. Trade RG3 if he falls to us. Go after Luck, but if we don’t get him, grab other needs. McCoy will suffice if he is able to grab the starting spot. I would much rather wait until next year and have another look see at Barkley or Jones. Grab another QB in the 2nd (Tannehill?). Off subject, I really envy the Cardinals. I think the Cardinals found a stud in Skelton. It will be fun to watch him possibly grow into an elite QB. I would love to have seen Skelton in a Browns uni.
dirtyjoe - January 13, 2012
So basically you are sold on neither Colt nor Griffin? I can certainly understand that.
rufio - January 13, 2012
The next part of the conversation is where do we go from here. When Neither Colt nor the best QBs (we can afford, not Luck) in the draft aren’t proven enough who do you put at QB when the season starts? I think it would be a good move to draft Griffin if he is there at 4 and open up the competition. I do not think it would be smart / am not at all interested to see Wallace compete to start. Personally I hope Colt starts next year because I think he can be average with some more pieces around him, and that would be an improvement from this year. Even if we draft Griffin, Colt would probably be the better option to start in the beginning.
crazyL80 - January 13, 2012
You can’t draft a guy at #4 that you don’t think is going to be an extremely good QB. I think Griffin will, and I would take him but sit him behind Colt for at least a little while. If you don’t think Griffin is anything special, you draft someone else and wait for your guy.
rufio - January 13, 2012
which is why the smokescreen, and I hope the trade out of the 4th with Washington. I like next years crop of QB’s more than this years, but I do like this years crop of offensive players and a few of the defensive guys.
J. W. - January 13, 2012
Personally, if Holmgren decides Colt is the way to go, the front office needs to bring a veteran presence to help groom him. Is Hasselback a FA this year? I think he could be a nice mentor for Colt.
dirtyjoe - January 13, 2012
No. I think he signed a 3 year deal with the Titans, so he’ll have 2 more to go. Not 100% certain though. He played too well this year for them to trade him, especially with the whole point in signing him was so Locker could sit a few years.
Doc's Kid - January 13, 2012
I think Colt has had enough time in the NFL to either sink or swim without a veteran mentor.
Dawg Nuts - January 13, 2012
He’ll be 26 next season, he would make a good veteran mentor to whoever we draft.
notthatnoise - January 14, 2012
Yes, that is exactly what I have been saying. I know what we are getting out of McCoy and I believe another year for him can help. RG3 is more of a mystery, but I want to make sure if we draft a high QB, it is as close to a sure thing as possible. I would much rather use the #4 pick for other needs.
dirtyjoe - January 13, 2012
Technically wasn’t it 4-9?
macdowellm03 - January 13, 2012 via Android app
Sure.
rufio - January 13, 2012
It sounds to me like the Colt haters you speak of are the same people who are getting equally challenged on this board. If you don’t take things too personally, it can lead to some great discussions.
Dawg Nuts - January 13, 2012
Yeah, this happens from time to time(see Champion64 in this thread), and the regulars give em hell for it.
North Coast Flea - January 13, 2012
Everybody who contributes is valid. It’s all opinion. Seems to me if you don’t follow a certain line of reasoning around here though, you get derision.
The New Kardiac Kids - January 13, 2012
Most of what is said here is indeed opinion. The fact is that around here when people parade opinion as fact they get hell for it which directly contradicts what was said that I replied to.
North Coast Flea - January 13, 2012
I don’t recall ever posting one of my opinions as “fact”.
The New Kardiac Kids - January 13, 2012
You seem to have a problem with the flow of conversation here. The only people I’ve ever said did were C64 and someone who hasn’t been posting here for quite a while now (DawgznHawgz or however he spelled it.). Personally, I love coming here and seeing everyone else’s opinions because they are different. I don’t really see where this “you have to have the same idea as everyone else” stuff is coming from. If everyone here had the same opinion and said the same thing, this place would be very very boring.
North Coast Flea - January 13, 2012
I might suggest using the “up” button from time to time if you get confused.
North Coast Flea - January 13, 2012
Honestly, I got some shit from people for being off the Colt bandwagon too. Don’t act like it goes one way, it goes both ways buddy.
bross09 - January 13, 2012
Opinions can most certainly be dumb. Whether the opinion to keep McCoy as our starting QB is a dumb one or not, I can’t say (I’m not a QB evaluator). But it’s certainly possible that it’s a dumb opinion.
kwoog - January 13, 2012
It’s also certainly possible that we didn’t have any positive influence on our offense this year without a coordinator or an off season. The off season thing, I can argue. By week 5 everyone should have a clue. The coordinator thing however, if the guy calling the plays has no clue because he has another job to do, I can put some trust in the fact that he was over his head and it wasn’t our Qb’s fault.
The New Kardiac Kids - January 13, 2012
The problem with that argument is that our QB wasn’t executing the plays called. You can argue that the calls weren’t good, but Pat Shurmur didn’t make Colt hold the ball too long or throw interceptions when he was trying to throw out of bounds.
notthatnoise - January 13, 2012
I’m not arguing…..I have stated i’m not sold on McCoy.
The New Kardiac Kids - January 13, 2012
It sounds to me like you’re arguing both sides simultaneously.
Dawg Nuts - January 13, 2012
I actually tried to join the masses….I like Griffin but I don’t think they will go that way.
The New Kardiac Kids - January 13, 2012
Whether or not H&H are likely to draft someone is not relevant to whether or not you think they are a good player.
rufio - January 13, 2012
Exactly. It doesn’t matter how much smoke we blow up each other A’s, H&H are going to do their thing.
dirtyjoe - January 13, 2012
And I wouldn’t have it any other way—the front office should not worry about what the fans will or will not like during the draft.
But we can still like or dislike whatever they do. Liking and disliking things is a big part of what we do here.
rufio - January 13, 2012
Champ64 is Heckert and he’s already told us whats going to happen.
HenryDawg - January 14, 2012
I’m tellin ya Heckert is Mooncamping.
North Coast Flea - January 14, 2012
I think he’s both of them.
HenryDawg - January 14, 2012
Mooncamping is multiplying.
notthatnoise - January 14, 2012
You will be assimilated. Resistance is futile.
North Coast Flea - January 14, 2012
That’s what the Nazis said.
(this thread has clearly reached the point where Hitler needs to intervene.)
Dawg Nuts - January 14, 2012
Godwin’s law has officially hit 1:1.
North Coast Flea - January 14, 2012
We don’t have to give you an ear full, but rather just ask you to further explain your position on RG3 vs. McCoy. What makes you think RG3 wouldn’t be an upgrade over McCoy?
Simmsinns - January 12, 2012
Believe me I’ve read all the arguments and opinions concerning RGIII and McCoy. From what I’ve seen of RGIII, the only thing he has over McCoy, in my opinion, is he is a bit more mobile. When it comes to arm strength, accuracy, and decision making I just don’t see a lot of difference. Its just that I am so tired of the thought process that if we change the qb then the offense will be better. I don’t know if McCoy is the answer or not, but before we decide to kick him to the curb lets give him some protection, a true #1 receiver, a solid running game and an offensive coordinator who knows what the heck he’s doing.
Steve n NC - January 12, 2012
Accuracy and decision making are hard to measure from what I have seen, but on arm strength, this is not debatable. Griffin has a gun. McCoy doesn’t. There is a clear difference there.
TheDriveStillHurts - January 12, 2012
Colt was really accurate in college too, but RG3’s connections on deep balls really stands out to me. He hits those fades down the sideline really really well.
And yeah, it’s pretty clear to me that the ball “jumps” out of Griffin’s hands while it does not out of McCoy’s. But I don’t have a radar gun on them.
rufio - January 13, 2012
I’m curious about what people think re: the physical attributes of good QBs. I mean, it seems to me that physical qualities (ability to throw the ball further than anyone else, running ability, size and the like) have to be mixed with things like leadership, intelligence and decision-making. All the top QB prospects are going to be accurate and have roughly the right physical characteristics necessary to play the position (some better than others of course). And yet I can think of numerous examples of QBs who succeeded but didn’t have the perfect physiques or lacked arm strength and so forth. I think we can all remember at least one.
I’m not yet convinced that we should draft RG3, although commenters here have made a good case for it. My perspective now is that we should probably take him if he’s available at 4 and pursue some other draft strategy if not.
One thing that impresses me about RG3, though, is that he seems to have some of the non-physical gifts. He’s clearly a smart guy – just watch any interview with him on YouTube and you’ll see – and he comes across as a strong leader who plays for his team and isn’t selfish.
batard - January 13, 2012
I think ideally you’d have a 6’8" guy who is nimble, fast, and not terribly thin: 250-270. That guy would have a huge arm and be able to throw the ball 100 yards with the flick of a wrist.
I don’t think that guy exists.
I do think that part of the reason QBs are in such high demand is because there are so few guys with the “intangible” things you need—world-class quick decision making, leadership, “feel for the game”, etc.—who also have good enough physical skills.
At this point, I am 100% sold on Colt’s toughness and leadership. Guys like Fujita have compared him to Brees without being prompted. I believe he has a strong enough arm. It’s not great, but he’s connected on a good amount of downfield passes on the NFL. His height is not a huge problem for me; he’s bigger than people think.
Right now my biggest critique is that he isn’t playing with the intelligence and savvy that a guy without Cam Newton’s physical skills would need. He seems surprised by some coverages. He isn’t doing a good job pre-snap. He seems to struggle with his progressions at times, and others he gets flustered and delivers a bad throw. His movement in the pocket isn’t efficient. He’ll need to nail all of those things to be successful much like Brees does.
rufio - January 13, 2012
That takes time, patience, and experience to enable Colt to develop. Unfortunately, Cleveland fans don’t have the patience to let it happen naturally. Colt would have been better set up with a QB established team to help him develop ala Pats, GB, NO, etc…
dirtyjoe - January 13, 2012
Its not even necessarily if he’ll get the time, but will he ever be able to do it? Certainly given all the time in the world and QB will improve, but how much? There’s no guarantee that Colt could become as good of a QB as Brees, Manning, etc.
rufio - January 13, 2012
A couple things here: what the fans think is irrelevant, and like rufio says, it’s not a matter of will he improve, but rather how much. There is no guarantee that he would ever become a good QB. In fact the odds are against him, and pretty heavily.
notthatnoise - January 13, 2012
you are correct that the physical skills aren’t everything. See: Jeff George.
You can never be sure about these things in a QB coming out of college, but I feel good about these in terms of RG3. He graduated in 3 years with a degree in Poly-Sci (not exactly basket weaving). That might not show football intelligence, but it does show discipline and he at least has some brains and I do think he has football smarts.
On leadership, he comes from a military family with both parents serving. His record as a starter between 2009-2011 is 19-10 and Baylor isn’t exactly a Big 12 powerhouse. He was also 2-1 this year in close games vs. top 25 teams. I think he may be a good leader.
Your last bit is the vibe I get with him too and that, plus his academic/leadership background make me think he could be good.
bross09 - January 13, 2012
He also turned down bigtime college programs who recruited him as an athlete so that he could play QB. Confident, mature, passionate about what he does.
rufio - January 13, 2012
Didn’t realize he was that committed to being the QB that he passed up bigger schools who wanted him as an athlete.
bross09 - January 14, 2012
I thought it was more about wanting to play for his coach and being allowed to run track that made him choose Baylor.
Doc's Kid - January 14, 2012
Lots of players run track. OSU players did it all the time. I’m pretty sure people have done it at Texas (a school that recruited him) but BOAB or realmccoy would know more about that than me.
He said he was recruited by 23 or so schools to play QB but that most of the top tier programs wanted him at DB or WR.
rufio - January 15, 2012
Take a look at the teams in the playoffs and compare their offensive lines to ours. Ours is, at least, in the middle of that pack and probably better than the majority. A lot of Colt supporters seem to be under the impression that if you don’t have 5 first round pro-bowlers on your line, a QB is not getting a fair shot. QBs get sacked in this league. It happens.
TheDriveStillHurts - January 12, 2012
Plus you have to have Andre or Calvin Johnson or its just not fair.
HenryDawg - January 12, 2012
By next week we’ll have one of the top o-line units and best protection all around in the NFL.
It seems our receivers have also improved quite a bit just in the last week or so.
The shit just gets deeper in here every day :-/.
burntorangeandbrown - January 12, 2012
I haven’t actually followed o-line play around the league so take this with a grain of salt, but purely by sack numbers from 2011, the Browns have allowed less than the Packers, Broncos, Steelers, and 49ers.
Simmsinns - January 12, 2012
Our line was really bad without Pashos and while the guards were young, I think it got much better as the year went on.
Again, I’d like you and the other “give him some protection” people to consider the things that Colt can do pre-snap to help his line out. His cadence is predictable, and he doesn’t pull out to point out the Mike backer or make sure his line sees things. Mack is the guy who mostly lines things up for us, and Colt would really do well to help out in this area.
rufio - January 13, 2012
Here again, lack of coaching.
The New Kardiac Kids - January 13, 2012
See above.
rufio - January 13, 2012
After the huddle that is on Colt.
North Coast Flea - January 13, 2012
exactly
bross09 - January 13, 2012
Someone should be suggesting things to him, but they can’t do it for him.
And he should realize that he needs to be smarter and that he can help the people around him play better and that he can help start the domino effect of everyone setting everyone else up to succeed. His career depends on it.
rufio - January 13, 2012
We should be in the Superbowl. You know we got screwed. Ben Watson wasn’t nonexistent. And for Tebow’s sake, we overused Evan Moore.
The New Kardiac Kids - January 13, 2012
Not sure if serious…
SpecialBrownie - January 13, 2012
LOL. Boab said shit gets deeper in here every day. If you aren’t sure what people are saying, don’t go around calling them douches.
The New Kardiac Kids - January 13, 2012
No, SB totally has a point. It’s a funny joke if you meant it that way. If you were serious, who would have gotten us there? On the ground with Ogbonnaya? With the hands of Little? The experience of our receivers like Robiskie….oh wait.
If you’re envisioning us having the success of the Broncos, their defense was amazing while their offense was totally gutted and reworked for Tebow. They showed some success with it this year, but didn’t Miami when they used the Wildcat? How’s the Wildcat as a true NFL offense. The Broncos hurt themselves for the future by having some success with Tebow sucking as a passing QB.
Douche might be a bit of an attack, but based on what you’ve said and your argument with people like rufio, you’re trolling or you need to start backing up what you say with facts and labeling what is opinion as opinion.
Doc's Kid - January 13, 2012
I thought it was obvious sarcasm..
The New Kardiac Kids - January 13, 2012
It’s really hard to tell, you’ve been all over the map lately.
North Coast Flea - January 13, 2012
More opinion, please explain.
The New Kardiac Kids - January 13, 2012
Do I really have to go through this whole thread and cite instances of you saying something, then saying something that contradicts that, or just something that makes no sense at all to the conversation going on?
North Coast Flea - January 13, 2012
Like you saying I claimed to be a psychiatrist.
The New Kardiac Kids - January 13, 2012
Yeah, sure, why not. Except you actually said something along those lines in the Steelers v Broncos recap.
North Coast Flea - January 13, 2012
Post it
The New Kardiac Kids - January 13, 2012
Again, linkage.
North Coast Flea - January 13, 2012
Oh my goodness, what is up with you dude? Seriously, MPD?
SpecialBrownie - January 13, 2012
I signed back in for this one thing…it’s now called Dissociative identity disorder. Thanks though.
The New Kardiac Kids - January 13, 2012
Dude, you’re fine. Sometimes the best thing to do is just give up on your argument. We’re all stubborn as hell on here. As you can see the littlest things will drag on. I’ve been in your shoes many times. If people disagree with you you’re rarely gunna prove yourself right because we all have opinions. Arguments are a lost battle here. Just take a deep breath and realize that this is the internet.
Brownie's Year - January 13, 2012
Dude what is your problem?
rufio - January 13, 2012
I think he made the mistake of taking all of this too seriously.
Dawg Nuts - January 14, 2012
Oh, he’s Derek Anderson. Now I get it.
North Coast Flea - January 14, 2012
Rec.
TheDriveStillHurts - January 15, 2012
I thought it was pretty obvious sarcasm.
HenryDawg - January 13, 2012
You can’t argue that our pass protection is bad. Every measure of pass protection puts ours in the “fairly average” range. We don’t have a top O-line, but that isn’t what anyone was saying. We were just saying that we have better pass protection than a lot of playoff teams. That is a factual statement, not an opinion.
notthatnoise - January 13, 2012
Our pass protection would rank even higher if our guards weren’t rated so poorly, and those are the least important line positions when it comes to pass protection. Both tackles rank very highly in pass protection.
Roger Dorn - January 13, 2012
If this is by PFF, I am still not sure they understand how our protections are supposed to work.
rufio - January 13, 2012
No one is asking for 5 probowlers on the line (it is a nice to think about it though). We need dependable guards because Lauvao and Pinkston are not cutting it. Tackle is an issue because Pashos cannot stay healthy. Give any QB an extra second or two in the pocket and they could do wonders.
dirtyjoe - January 12, 2012
Lauvao and Pinkston did much better later in the year. And the problem with your last statement is that no QB gets that long, especially if teams aren’t afraid to blitz them. I understand what you are saying, but if you look at the amount of time even the best lines give their QB it would not average 2 seconds longer than we gave Colt and Seneca.
There’s a reason people talk about “the speed of the game” as something that young players need to adjust to in the NFL.
rufio - January 13, 2012
Problem is, Colt has those extra couple second compared to a lot of other lines in the NFL and all he does with them most of the time is hold onto the ball. Don’t get me wrong, I like Colt and hope he can develop into “the guy”, and I wouldn’t be pissed if we drafted Blackmon instead of RG3. My main complaint is that he holds the ball too long and doesn’t “throw his receivers open”.
North Coast Flea - January 13, 2012
I agree with this.
emily522 - January 14, 2012
wait…so we HAVE to have patience with a mid-round QB when they have an extremely low rate of panning out (around 5%) while Pinkston had a year and isn’t cutting it?
He was a 4th round rookie RT playing LG, a position he never played before. Your Colt defending is getting ridiculous at this point.
If Colt gets 3+ years when the statistics say he won’t turn out, why shouldn’t Lauvao or Pinkston get more than a year or so when O-Lineman in the later rounds are more likely to pan out?
Also, Pinkston and Lauvao did a lot better near the end of the year and I am not the only one who has noticed this.
bross09 - January 13, 2012
Big difference in skill sets between guards and a QB. QB is the hardest position to play on the field….correct? Guard is not an easy position, but it should be heck of a lot easier when you are wedged between two probowlers. 3 years is max for McCoy. Pinkston is a rookie and I will say he did a lot better the last 3 games of the season. Lauvao is injury prone and gets a ton of penalties. Once in a while is okay, but I believe he lead the team in Unsportsmanlike Conduct penalties this year. Maybe I was a little hasty stating they need to go and I will backtrack that some. Maybe it is me, but I am tired of injuries and penalties killing us on the O-line.
dirtyjoe - January 13, 2012
I agree about Lauvao’s penalties, but what makes him injury prone? I don’t recall him ever missing much time with an injury.
Legoman0721 - January 14, 2012 via Android app
He missed some time as a rookie and I believe a game or two this year. Its definitely not his biggest weakness.
rufio - January 15, 2012
Lauvao is injury prone because he had one injury last year? I don’t remember reading anything about major injuries in college.
Honestly, I have been on Lauvao’s case a lot on here, but he did improve in terms of penalties over the last 8 games to the point where it was at at least a normal pace. He also didn’t have the problems last year so hopefully it was just a 1/2 season blurp.
He may have led the team in unsportsmalike conduct penalties but I don’t think he had more than 2.
bross09 - January 14, 2012
I swear Lauvao had more than 2 unsportsmanlike conduct penalties through the season. I will have to try and look that up. Injuries happen in the game, but it seems Lauvao is never 100%. How many times have you seen Alex Mack, Jason Pinkston, or Joe Thomas on the injury roster leading up to a game. The two players consistently on that roster is Lauvao and Pashos. Last year we had some nice depth on the line to cover down on the injuries. This year though, we were seriously exposed. We need another consistent lineman on the Right Side.
dirtyjoe - January 14, 2012
Losing Yates and Porkchop sucked. It will be key to get a quality RT in there. Having the same starters all the time on the line usually equals good quality because they really have to function in unison to make sure everyone is blocked. I saw Pashos make a pretty bad mistake and tried to block Luvao’s guy and let the edge rusher just run by him. The Guards will be better and Steiny’s coming back probably.
HenryDawg - January 14, 2012
Over the course of a season guys are rarely going to feel perfectly healthy. When the Pats went 18-1 I think Brady was listed on the injury report every week. As long as the guy plays, and plays well, it doesn’t matter what the injury report says.
Legoman0721 - January 14, 2012 via Android app
If he had more than 2, he had 3 which is still not an insane number, but not something that is very good either.
Really? Lauvao seemed at 100% this year. He only had 1 game where he didn’t have full practice the week before and that was week 8. He was maybe on the injury report 3 times.
How many times have I seen those other guys on the injury report? mack was on there once, Thomas was on there once or twice, and Pinkston was on there 3 times.
Our line was fine by the end of the year because Lauvao showed more consistency and Pashos was healthy. We need a long term replacement for Pashos though.
bross09 - January 14, 2012
Hint: don’t trust NFL injury reports.
Tom Brady was “questionable” for about 6 straight years worth of games.
rufio - January 15, 2012
“A bit” more mobile!? The guy is literally a track champion!
rufio - January 13, 2012
I would hope if RGIII was still there at 4 someone behind us would offer a trade to move up.
Don’t want RGIII one bit.
Honestly I would hope they finish the Defense in this draft and fix the O line. If they finish off the D at least one side of the ball would be complete. And with a key FA signing WR or DE just run with what we have.
Next year there are what 12 QB’s coming out? I like those odds better than hoping you get the stud out of 2 qb’s in the top 4 picks.
Brwnstown - January 12, 2012
Its the NFL, nothing ever “finishes.” The steelers recently spent a pair of first rounders on their defense, and the ravens are spending there too. Even the best units on either side of the ball are continually losing and adding pieces.
rufio - January 13, 2012
Funny, I said that to someone on Bleacher Report the other day (I had never been there before and it was scary).
Some DBN/rufio sense must be accidentally rubbing off on me.
HenryDawg - January 13, 2012
I love Bleacher Report and their millions of Kolb to Cleveland threads.
dirtyjoe - January 13, 2012
I couldn’t take it anymore. If I read one more comment about how we had to have Richardson my eyes would bleed.
HenryDawg - January 13, 2012
There’s a reason a lot of us don’t read BR.
North Coast Flea - January 13, 2012
The Bunten gal is a decent read. Everyone else seems to hang on Tony Grossi’s nuts.
dirtyjoe - January 13, 2012
Seriously? People are still calling for Kolb?
rufio - January 13, 2012
Oh yeah, that’s the hot rumor now since Heckert drafted him in Phlly and AZ wants to go with Skelton (can’t blame them) so we’re going to get Kolb. A lot of it is based on the fact that Kolb played well in the WCO in Philly but floundered in whatever they run in AZ which is not WCO
HenryDawg - January 14, 2012
They do?
TheDriveStillHurts - January 14, 2012
That’s the rumor, they certainly won a lot more games with him. Something like 2-6 with Kolb and 6-2 with Skelton and 1 of Kolb’s wins he only played the first play then got hurt. I thought Skelton looked pretty impressive, if not totally polished against us.
HenryDawg - January 14, 2012
golan told us he would be good.
notthatnoise - January 14, 2012
I made the same prediction.
burntorangeandbrown - January 14, 2012
Skelton and Dalton? You the man.
Brownie's Year - January 14, 2012
If only my McCoy predictions weren’t so damned homerism based…
burntorangeandbrown - January 14, 2012
No thank you on Kolb if it costs anything more than a late round pick.
rufio - January 15, 2012
Blah blah blah you sound like Charlie Brown’s teacher.
Last i checked the Steelers and ravens are getting old on their Defense so of course they would draft for youth now.
While we are young we still need LB’s and another DE as well as safety and CB.
But getting the front 7 squared away would go a long way to making this team much better.
Brwnstown - January 15, 2012
we have already got 5 guys in the front 7 that can be solid starters at least in 2012. I am fine with Gocong at SLB with maybe a sprinkling of Fujita. We need another DE and a quicker WLB. Both of those can easily be found in the 2nd/3rd rounds. No reason to overdraft a Quinton Coples.
bross09 - January 15, 2012
I may hear it too, but RG3 is another shotgun spread formation QB. Like McCoy and Harrell.
The New Kardiac Kids - January 12, 2012
I would take him though, he’s clearly got a stronger arm and is more athletic. But is he the product of a system? Or, is he the system for the product?
The New Kardiac Kids - January 12, 2012
Blah blah blah, Colt ran the spread, Jones runs the spread, most college QBs run some form of spread and even guys who didn’t like every USC QB, aren’t a lock to be a success. Funny thing too, the NFL is starting to incorporate a little bit of spread offense into their game plans. Start looking a little deeper at what this kid brings to the table.
HenryDawg - January 12, 2012
Please re-read what I said and post appropriately.
The New Kardiac Kids - January 12, 2012
I just re-read it and my post is appropriate. The system doesn’t matter, the kid has all the tangibles and intangibles. Plug him in, let him play and learn on the fly. Profit.
HenryDawg - January 12, 2012
MmmmmmmK.
The New Kardiac Kids - January 12, 2012
You are going to hear it. Its not the same offense, Cam Newton is doing fine, and “pro style” guys like Sanchez are struggling.
You can’t take any QB’s college stats just on face value. None of them. Not Luck, not RG3, not Colt Brennan none.
rufio - January 13, 2012
Have you seen RG3 play?
rufio - January 13, 2012
“I would take him though”
The New Kardiac Kids - January 13, 2012
I was not responding to you. If you click the little “up” button next to the reply button, you can tell who a poster was responding to.
rufio - January 13, 2012
I’m sorry, I’m all for RG3 but I know you weren’t responding to me. I was hoping it would be easier for you to accept if you knew that, but realized they aren’t taking him.
The New Kardiac Kids - January 13, 2012
Hoping what would be easier for me to accept? I simply asked Steve a question and was ready to follow up with different questions based on his response. I don’t see the need for any of this.
rufio - January 13, 2012
OK….hey. I like you and respect you. What’s going on?
The New Kardiac Kids - January 13, 2012
Why the hell are you trolling me with a bunch of stuff that doesn’t make sense all of a sudden?
rufio - January 13, 2012
Sorry.
The New Kardiac Kids - January 13, 2012
He’s “a psychologist”.
Seriously though. Either he’s trolling hard or he has MPS.
SpecialBrownie - January 13, 2012
MPD*
SpecialBrownie - January 13, 2012
Yep….whatever that is. I must have it.
The New Kardiac Kids - January 13, 2012
Really? You claim to be a psychiatrist and don’t know what MPD is?
North Coast Flea - January 13, 2012
I said I used to work in psych….never claimed to be a psychologist or psychiatrist. I can’t have the opinion that I would like to see what RG3 can do yet still be ok if we don’t draft him and stick with Coly?
The New Kardiac Kids - January 13, 2012
What does this have to do with what I said?
North Coast Flea - January 13, 2012
More of me explaining my “map”. Show me where I claimed to be a psychiatrist.
The New Kardiac Kids - January 13, 2012
Lordy! Lordy! Please forgive me for not remembering the exact words of someone in a 750+ comment thread.
North Coast Flea - January 13, 2012
Linkage
North Coast Flea - January 13, 2012
OK…you proved I said I was a psychiatrist then?
The New Kardiac Kids - January 13, 2012
North Coast Flea - January 13, 2012
Your schtick is mind-numbing.
Dawg Nuts - January 14, 2012
SB. In the thick of any flame war.
bross09 - January 13, 2012
Maybe i need to communicate better, but here I was agreeing with you.
The New Kardiac Kids - January 13, 2012
Yeah, maybe.
Dawg Nuts - January 13, 2012
:p
The New Kardiac Kids - January 13, 2012
bross09 - January 13, 2012
You have to remember these guys have to walk a thin line. Even if we wanted Luck or RG3 what happens if it for some reason doesn’t work out and you have talked badly about the guys you have? By being positive about Colt you not only have the smokescreen in place you have a happy player if he is around next year. The thing that stick with me is Holmgren talking about the light going on.
GrillGuy - January 12, 2012
Does anyone have a link to the podcast or a transcript for this? Post if you do. Thanks!
Brownsyup - January 12, 2012
http://www.espncleveland.com/page.php?page_id=109
It’s the first link right now.
Simmsinns - January 12, 2012
Thank you
champion64 - January 12, 2012
That radio host guy is super annoying.
Adrock2099 - January 12, 2012
Haha, then I would definitely have to suggest that you don’t tune into WKNR 850 for further listening.
Simmsinns - January 12, 2012
Don’t really listen to the radio, except when 89.3 has that metal show on. That said, Tom Heckert interviews are seriously a breath of fresh air after hearing Pat Shurmur all season.
Adrock2099 - January 12, 2012
I’ve been listening to WKNR for like 4 years now, and I’ve got to say, in my first hour and a half of Bull & Fox on 92.3 The Fan… worlds better.
Simmsinns - January 12, 2012
I don’t mind 92.3
notthatnoise - January 12, 2012
I totally agree. Don’t even listen to AM anymore unless there is a Cavs game on.
bross09 - January 13, 2012
One funny note, is that when ask directly if COlt would be here in July, he never really commented on it and said yes. I am assuming he will be here.
champion64 - January 12, 2012
Oh I stand corrected, he did say at the end of the interview he does foresee Colt and Seneca being here in July
champion64 - January 12, 2012
There is nothing to assume with this comment. Of course he would be here, regardless if we drafted another QB or not. It’s not like teams would be knocking down the door for a QB who isn’t good enough to be a starter on a 12 loss team.
The Licensed Pessimist - January 12, 2012
I agree. What do you think of Claiborne or Kirkpatrick as a pick in the 1st round? I think they could trade down and still get them? Maybe acquire another pick with a trade. Or do they go offense no matter what?
champion64 - January 12, 2012
I just turned on the online stream of 92.3, but it might be really delayed, just a ton of commercials and taking phone calls.
I am curious if there will be any other insight beyond what we heard this morning.
Simmsinns - January 12, 2012
They are definitely very different interviews. I think this 4 o’clock one was a lot better.
On McCoy – Heckert continues to really going out of his way to defend McCoy (every aspect) in response to any questions.
On Hillis – Heckert refuses to say that the Browns want him back, in stark contrast to Dawson and other FAs from prior seasons.
On drafting QB at 4 – stresses BPA, completely regardless of position (more of not ruling anything out)
On Hardesty – He still thinks he just needs to be healthy (it’s a shame a healthy Hardesty doesn’t exist)
On the WCO – It’s just a system, based on personal, rare brief blurb where he pins the offensive woes on the personal
Simmsinns - January 12, 2012
Bull and Fox did a really good job of pulling out that response about Hillis. After the interview they both agreed, and I think it’s obvious now, Hillis will not be in a Browns uniform next season. In my opinion, they’ll throw him an extreme lowball offer that they entirely expect him to decline (and I’m not talking about an offer that is arguably fair, I’m guessing lower).
I hope I’m wrong, and everyone else that listened to this answer and came to the same logical conclusion is wrong.
We have, at the very least, a 25 year old RB that showed he can play very well when healthy. They only way I think it’s a good idea to let him walk is that if he’s honestly holding out for Chris Johnson money, which I think is unlikely, considering he won’t get that anywhere. Hardesty is shattered glass, Jackson is not a good starter. To me, this is just one more hole to fill if he’s gone. My biggest fear is that with Hillis gone we draft Trent Richardson. And we all know what’s wrong with that picture.
Simmsinns - January 12, 2012
They essentially just said the same thing just now, adding that Hillis will only be back if no other team is willing to be that low offer, which the number they put on it was (roughly) 25% chance that Hillis is back next season.
Simmsinns - January 12, 2012
With our luck the Stillers will grab him cheap and he will be healthy and run the ball down our throats twice a year for the next 4 yrs…(unless we finish of the D this draft).
Brwnstown - January 12, 2012
Despite Mendenhall’s ACL/MCL tear, I think don’t think Pitts would take a legitimate shot for Hillis.
Simmsinns - January 12, 2012
I think they would love to have him, as would the Ravens. we’re stupid for not signing him to a reasonable contract, but whatever, I’m tired of that will he or won’t he game.
HenryDawg - January 12, 2012
I don’t think Pitt or Baltimore are going to wrap up that much money in running backs.
notthatnoise - January 12, 2012
I don’t think he will get a huge contract.
Just pointing out that with this cities luck he will end up on a div. rivals team and torment us for yrs to come…
Brwnstown - January 12, 2012
I don’t think he will get a huge deal either, but he will get starter money, and no smart team is going to pay two running backs like starters.
notthatnoise - January 13, 2012
Baltimore’s will have their hands full resigning Ray Rice/
Simmsinns - January 12, 2012
Cleveland: Where getting an athlete on the Madden cover delivers a new curse… HE WILL LEAVE!
emily522 - January 12, 2012
I missed the very beginning of the interview due to a phone call, but from what I’m hearing on the stream now, they asked him about Pat Shurmur and Shurmur’s absolutely terrible season, and Heckert completely disagreed, refusing to say anything negative about Shurmur or his head coaching ability.
I guess we can apply the idea that wouldn’t be productive to this issue too, considering Shurmur is here to stay. The thing is, he’s either not being honest at all (more likely) or he’s delusional as far as head coaching goes (less likely).
Simmsinns - January 12, 2012
http://cleveland.cbslocal.com/2012/01/12/browns-gm-tom-heckert-joins-bull-fox-2/
Here is the link to Heckert’s second interview, the one with Bull & Fox
Simmsinns - January 12, 2012
thanks
Brownie's Year - January 12, 2012
He sure jumped around the Do you want Hillis back question. Bye bye Hillis.
Brownie's Year - January 12, 2012
He jumped around every question. When it came to Hillis, he spelled it out, black and white, by comparison to his other answers.
Simmsinns - January 12, 2012
Yeah, I guess you’re right. I’m still fighting a nasty hangover. So my attention wasn’t completely there. Though I do feel he answered some questions truthfully.
Brownie's Year - January 12, 2012
Every answer was still vague enough so he couldn’t be held accountable to any of them.
Simmsinns - January 12, 2012
I was diggin’ that 92.3 program today (Bull & Fox). Proly become a regular listener now. They pretty much say the same stuff we say here, but it’s better than the Laker/Charger BS I have to deal with on my local stations.
Gunna call in, talk draft, and give a shout out to the DBN brotherhood.
Brownie's Year - January 12, 2012
That makes two of us, as long as I can remember to tune in. The show was great.
Simmsinns - January 12, 2012
It was pretty funny also.
Brownie's Year - January 12, 2012
Phelps and Baskin before them are good too. 92.3 in general has been awesome.
Chris Pokorny - January 12, 2012
Cool, thanks. I’ll give them a try.
Brownie's Year - January 13, 2012
Yeah I’ve been really impressed.
notthatnoise - January 13, 2012
One time does Bull & Fox start?
Simmsinns - January 13, 2012
What*
Simmsinns - January 13, 2012
Nevermind, I just googled it, 2-7pm on weekdays.
Simmsinns - January 13, 2012
I wanted to listen to the full show today but my buddy wants to go golfing. Gunna have to wait for next week.
Brownie's Year - January 13, 2012
Do you ever stop showing off to us snow bound folks?
HenryDawg - January 13, 2012
Man, my chipping was embarrassing today. Chilly dipped horribly a few times. Missed some simple 4 footers. Easily could have shot 77 but walked away with 83. Short game killed me. Oh well. It was still fun.
And I’m sorry if me golfing during the winter pisses you off. :P
Brownie's Year - January 13, 2012
I’m just teasing because I’m jealous. We got our first snow today and I officially removed the clubs from the trunk :( It sucks. As soon as your game is really coming around the seasons over.
I hate when my short game is off. I have no long game so I totally depend on getting up and down to make par. I did start gaining back some yardage this year though after getting back on a fitness program and am hoping to keep that going into next year.
HenryDawg - January 13, 2012
What’s wrong with your long game? Irons? They can be intimidating but the loft is basically a psych out. Swing it like a wedge. Don’t change your feet. Swing smooth. Ever since I put that in my mind I’m not scared of the 3,4,or 5. Right before I start my swing I say to myself "just like a PW". Actually, I use that methodology on every club except the driver.
My driver swing is with a different mentality. I swing a Callaway TI head with a 6.0 felx steel shaft. I went with steel because my swing is so damn fluent I can generate mass torque (I’m really tired of people telling me how good my swing is. Strangers watch me at the range). I kept pushing right with the graphite shaft because the head was too far behind my shoulder at contact. The steel shaft is perfect for me.
Anyways, what brand sticks are swinging?
Brownie's Year - January 13, 2012
Well I actually used to be able to hit beautiful long irons, high and long and did it just the way you said, I basically got to the top, then just turn my hips and don’t even pay attention to what my arms are doing. I strike my irons pretty solid, but the last few years as I got older and stopped working out I started losing distance fast. I started working out vigorously last year, including strength training and took about 15 lessons and got my swing back pretty close to where I want it and my distance off the tee much, much better. I could start hitting 6,7, and 8s into the green on most par 4s. Now I just got work on accuracy, since I was always short of the green I never really noticed. I bought snow sticks and am going to work on the range this winter on target practice. I’ll tell you old age is hell. You have to work your ass off just to stay the same weight you were even 5 years ago.
Clubs, looking for a new driver, probably going to get fit but right now I’m using a TM r7 10 deg. R flex, which is way to much loft, I hit my drives dead center down the fairway, but to high and floaty to get a lot of roll. I’ll probably get a fitting from my trainer soon. Irons are Ping i3+, I got fit for them a few years ago when I hit it farther. They have stiff shafts and I could probably gain a little with some R flex but I still like them more than other irons I’ve tried. Putter, still rocking the 2ball, which is sort of embarrassing, but I can roll the ball pretty well with it so I’m sticking with it for now.
Ahhh now I’m withdrawing. I’ll probably hit the dome this weekend :)
HenryDawg - January 13, 2012
Also thanks for the tip about swinging everything like a wedge, I’m going to be working on that.
I wouldn’t have any idea what its like to be complimented on my swing, but I know what its like to see a sweet swing. I’m sure it is annoying after awhile, but most of us would gladly take it, especially after looking at all the hacks cursing and tossing clubs like they should never miss a shot.
HenryDawg - January 13, 2012
Not to sound like a huge asshole, but I do have a pro swing. I’ll golf with strangers and they’ll talk about it constantly. They’ll give me their phone number after the round and complement me as if I care. This has been happening since I was 15. So yeah, it does get a bit irritating. Especially since I’m having trouble cracking 76 lately.
Brownie's Year - January 13, 2012
LOL, that’s just depressing for me, but I know how golf is, when I couldn’t break a 100 I would give my left nut to do it, then I shot 84 and I’ld give my left nut to break 80. It’s a sick game and I almost, almost mind you, feel sorry for guys like you who need to break freaking 70 to feel good. That level of perfection just isn’t something I can even relate to. Given that, I love shooting a 76 without even trying – something about a zone I hear?
HenryDawg - January 14, 2012
Yeah, I know where you’re coming from. And I’m sorry if you think I’m acting better than you. That’s not the case. I just love golf so much I want to help others in any way I can. That’s why I give you and DN some of my thought process. It’s hard for me to talk about my game because I feel it sucks and most think I’m being a baby. When I was younger I would come home and my dad would ask what I shot. I would be so mad that I shot a 78 that I would slam my sticks on the ground and go to my room. Completely immature 18 year old.
You said it truthfully and correct. Perfection is what I used to strive for. But it’s more about the time out there and relaxing. I’m old enough to play for fun now. Getting drunk, shooting a 80 is all that matters. The key word is FUN.
Brownie's Year - January 14, 2012
I totally appreciate the advise, I don’t think you’re trying to anything else.
I agree, its really about having fun. But playing well = more fun.
HenryDawg - January 14, 2012
the fact that you can get to 76 means you probably do have close to a pro swing. I am shitty at golf. I’d probably be lucky to pull a 100 on a par 3 course.
bross09 - January 14, 2012
Drive to Central PA and we’ll spend the day playing my parents’ course. In the Spring…
Dawg Nuts - January 14, 2012
:(
Brownie's Year - January 14, 2012
Fly to Central PA and we’ll…
Dawg Nuts - January 14, 2012
Playing with you and bross would be insanely amazing.
Brownie's Year - January 14, 2012
Heh, maybe I’ll have to make that trip too and you can teach me how to swing.
North Coast Flea - January 14, 2012
We have our foursome.
Dawg Nuts - January 14, 2012
The trip is less than 3 hours for you.
Dawg Nuts - January 14, 2012
I live right outside Youngstown. I’ll come and slice a few skulls.
SpecialBrownie - January 15, 2012
Sorry, can’t have five. No more room in our make believe group.
Brownie's Year - January 15, 2012
Maybe we should plan the first annual DBN Invitational. You come in and help me host it, and we’ll play in the lead group.
Dawg Nuts - January 15, 2012
I went golfing once with some family.
My uncle vowed to never golf with me ever again.
Simmsinns - January 15, 2012
Too bad I’d take your spot while you’d still be on the plane.
SpecialBrownie - January 15, 2012
You’re never too old to take lessons. Once you start getting better you’ll want to play everyday.
Brownie's Year - January 14, 2012
I do want to take lessons eventually.
bross09 - January 14, 2012
I never took lessons, just taught myself. Lessons aren’t cheap. But they’ll turn your 100 in to a 90 after one day of instruction. Not sure of the rates out there but here you can take like a 5 hour class (one hour a day) for $80.
Brownie's Year - January 14, 2012
This is so true, PGA instructors are pretty amazing and video technology is also really helpful. I love when they put your swing next to a pros and compares them.
HenryDawg - January 14, 2012
Yeah, I hear that stuff is getting super crazy now. Indoors, cameras, censors, computers. It just sounds over the top. Now I’m feeling old.
Brownie's Year - January 14, 2012
Honestly though, for golf lovers, seeing someone with a great swing is big deal. I used to always enjoy watching my dad play because of the smoothness of his swing. There’s a clip on youtube of Ben Hogan explaining the golf swing and then they show him swinging in regular speed and slow motion. I’m sure I’ve watched it 100 times.
Dawg Nuts - January 14, 2012
I can only imagine how beautiful your dad’s swing is.
Brownie's Year - January 14, 2012
I have two uncles who had golf scholarships to SIU (Southern Illinois U.). I remember when I was a kid staying at my grandma’s house seeing their closets full of trophys. One of them was drafted and served in Vietnam. He was the best of the two and I believe he was good enough to turn pro but Vietnam put an end to that dream.
I played several times with both of them when I was a teenager. I’ll never forget the first time I played with my uncle Michael at a course in his home town in Southern Illinois. First hole – about a 340 yard par 4. He steps up, casually cranks a beautiful drive – rolls right up next to the green. I was in complete awe of that swing. Still am every time I think of that shot.
burntorangeandbrown - January 14, 2012
That’s a cool story. You guys are lucky to have golf in your family. I’m a loner.
Brownie's Year - January 14, 2012
One nice thing is that it certainly takes away some of the expense that many people who play have to deal with. My dad has so many clubs/balls/etc. that I never have to buy those things.
Dawg Nuts - January 14, 2012
Actually my mom’s side of the family was the “golf side” – her brothers were the golf prodigies (her family was big on sports in generally really… my grandad on that side is in the Illinois basketball hall of fame as a high school coach). My Dad played basketball but only played a little golf when he was young.
I never had clubs til I was a teen – one of my high school friends was on the golf team and I used to go play with him after I begged my Dad into buying me a cheap set.
burntorangeandbrown - January 14, 2012
Do you still play at all?
Dawg Nuts - January 14, 2012
I stopped playing after my teens but picked up the game years later while living in Texas. I used to play a couple times a month for years while living in Austin. I haven’t played much since I moved to North Carolina though, but I do play every time I travel to Austin (have a buddy down there and we know all the courses around Austin).
burntorangeandbrown - January 15, 2012
Living where you could basically play all year would be fantastic.
Dawg Nuts - January 15, 2012
Of course, that’s probably making assumptions about Texas. I’ve never been there, but it certainly isn’t PA.
Dawg Nuts - January 15, 2012
No, you’re pretty much right, you can play almost any time of year. Only thing is the summer weather conditions last about half the year down there and if you’re not used to that kind of heat it can be brutal. I’ve played hundreds of rounds down there and probably over half of them were in weather between 90 and 105 degrees.
burntorangeandbrown - January 15, 2012
You have some great courses in NC
HenryDawg - January 15, 2012
Yes. I really need to get off my ass and get out and play some of them. So far I’ve only played a small course not far from where I live – its pretty nice but nothing like some of the courses I’ve heard about. The Southern Pines / Pinehurst area is only about an hour or so away. I haven’t been down there yet and I’m itching to check it out.
burntorangeandbrown - January 15, 2012
Your rockin’ the 2-ball? I assume it’s a Odyssey White Hot series. That was a huge fad about 10years ago. I’m not laughing because I’m still using my ‘98 Odyssey Rossie II.
Are you talking about the r7 with the weight adjustment screws? It’s not a bad club, just never was able to see myself fiddling around with that stuff mid-round.
There’s nothing wrong with a 10 degree. I’m swinging that now. If you’re skying it too much you might want to play the ball 2 inches back in your stance. Or simply tee it a few mm’s lower than what you think is right. But I don’t blame you for wanting to go to 9. I’m thinking of doing the same thing. When you can go 275 with no help there’s a problem. Not getting any roll.
How do you like your PINGs? My friend plays PING G15 and he hits them pretty damn well. My Titleist DCIs are rocks now (no pop anymore) and am looking to get a new set in a few weeks with my tax return. I’m leaning towards Callaway Diablo or the X-20. Any input you have will be appreciated.
Brownie's Year - January 13, 2012
Yeah its an Odyssey White Hot, it was one of the first ones of the line and a Christmas present. I just think its almost cheating how easy it is to line up a putt which is why I’m embarrassed by it but screw it, its legal and its no worse than a belly putter which should be illegal. I have the r7 with screws but I haven’t once touched them, I leave them in neutral or whatever it came as. Newer drivers are just longer period with longer shafts and better weighting. I’ve hit a few and its pretty significant.
I’ve had other people tell me I tee it too high, I just like it way up in the air on the tee so I can sweep it but I did play around with a lower tee last year with good results, they just weren’t consistent. Old habits are hard to break. I love my pings, but I wouldn’t want any fatter of an iron. Even at my level, I prefer a thinner iron, I even hit blades really well. Something about a fat iron makes me want to sweep it, while a thin blade makes me feel like I just have to hit the nail behind the ball and end up with better contact. DCIs were awesome, but if you hit them well Callaways may be a little too think for you. Try them, but also check out some Mizuno forged blades, I love those things. Feel like butter with good contact.
HenryDawg - January 14, 2012
I’ve played with several people with that 2-ball putter. And they couldn’t hit a damn put to save their life. If you feel you’re cheating than you must be a good putter. The way I see it is that the person makes the put, not the putter.
Good call on the Callaway thickness. Those irons do look weird as hell when you swing em’. They’re super fat. Now you got me thinking. Maybe I’ll just stick with Titleist.
Brownie's Year - January 14, 2012
I use a 30+ year old simple, heel-shafted blade with no real offset and no frills. I tried a couple of other newer and fancier putters and hated them. Putting is all about what feels good for you.
Dawg Nuts - January 14, 2012
The head sizes on these new putters are ridiculous. I tell my friend he’s putting with a football and he gets pissed.
Brownie's Year - January 14, 2012
Heh, that’s pretty funny. I’ve always wanted to get into golf but I’ve never had a set of clubs or a place to play. My parents backyard has a nice hill to practice driving off of but like I said, I’ve never had any clubs. Being poor never helped that either, haha.
North Coast Flea - January 14, 2012
You can go on craigslist and find an old set for $40 or even in the free section. Find a course with a driving range, drink some beers, and have a blast. Golf gets a wrap of being boring. But that so far from the truth.
Brownie's Year - January 14, 2012
The closest I’ve come is Tiger Woods for the Xbox, or putt putt. I have e very competitive nature, so most sports that people consider boring I end up loving to death. Darts and bowling come to mind.
North Coast Flea - January 14, 2012
Yeah see. You like the precision games where it’s about concentration. You challenge yourself. That’s exactly what golf is. You’ll probably like golf if you give it a chance.
Brownie's Year - January 14, 2012
Target sports- you would love it.
HenryDawg - January 14, 2012
I couldn’t agree more. My buddies and I have a blast when we play, and we certainly don’t take ourselves too seriously.
Dawg Nuts - January 14, 2012
You should give it a shot, there are probably 9 hole courses near you that cost $10 to walk. My second date with my wife we went to one and she had never swung a club in her life. We hit a few on the range, then tee’d one up and she was a natural drawer of the ball! I think she has natural skills but I haven’t gotten her to play since. If she had started earlier in life, I always tease her that we need to have a girl so I can quit my job and caddie for her on the LPGA (plus there are more female golf scholarships than there are golfers).
HenryDawg - January 14, 2012
You took her out there for a second date? That is truly awesome. Too bad she didn’t take to it.
That’s my ideal wife. Life long golf partner.
Brownie's Year - January 14, 2012
She told me before hand that she didn’t like golf and probably wouldn’t because she has no patience, which is true, and she’s also a perfectionist so I didn’t push it, she can be mean when she’s angry ;)
HenryDawg - January 14, 2012
The angry sex must be awesome!
Brownie's Year - January 14, 2012
I consider it to be the best kind.
Dawg Nuts - January 14, 2012
I haven’t gotten my wife into it yet, but I’ll certainly have the opportunity.
Dawg Nuts - January 14, 2012
Nver take the clubs out of the trunk! That is admitting defeat!
SBP - January 16, 2012
Heh, This has been the mildest Winter of my entire life. Snow has only accumulated once before today and it only lasted a day. Even this stuff will be gone by Monday. Hear Cleveland got 6"+. We got about half an inch of accumulation.
North Coast Flea - January 13, 2012
Yeah we’ve had not much of anything, I’m totally exagerating.
HenryDawg - January 13, 2012
Cleveland isn’t bad. Maybe 4 inches at the most in certain areas. Roads are clear though.
dirtyjoe - January 13, 2012
Out in the burbs it’s usually worse.
notthatnoise - January 14, 2012
Second snow of the year. Honda didn’t even notice.
SpecialBrownie - January 13, 2012
Baskin & Phelps I occasionally catch, but I generally get the drive time guys which is Bull & Fox (and also why I used to listen to R&R on WKNR)
bross09 - January 13, 2012
I pretty sure “Afternoon R&R” is now called “The Hooligans” because they added Chris Fedor. It’s not bad, as R&R usually tame Ned a lot more than Rizzo could.
Simmsinns - January 14, 2012
WHYY?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?
bross09 - January 14, 2012
I’m not really sure, they just moved him from TRBS to afternoons with The Hooligans.
Simmsinns - January 14, 2012
It might have had something to do with ratings, maybe they wanted too kick up the afternoon. Personally, I actually think TRBS is less interesting and The Hooligans got better. I generally don’t agree with Ned but at least his dissenting opinion generates interesting discussion.
Simmsinns - January 14, 2012
it also generates brain trauma as I repeatedly smack my head against the dashboard.
bross09 - January 14, 2012
Haha, it’s only a pessimist on the radio. You might be taking it a little to seriously.
Simmsinns - January 14, 2012
I don’t care for him and don’t mind taking shots at him through humor.
bross09 - January 14, 2012
Wow. Deletion is the breath of life around here. Keep your job and make others look ……
The New Kardiac Kids - January 13, 2012
There was one comment deleted here. It was a comment where you called someone a moron and didn’t say anything else. You seem to be the only one here taking anything personally. Please email a moderator or Chris if you have a problem.
notthatnoise - January 13, 2012
I already told you…you’ll be my go to mod. :-)
The New Kardiac Kids - January 13, 2012
No need to email a mod. Just do it here. It’s entertainment for all of us!
Brownie's Year - January 13, 2012
And that person clearly didn’t read what I said. He is a moron.
The New Kardiac Kids - January 13, 2012
I recall that same person saying “ban me please” after every post he made in a certain thread.
The New Kardiac Kids - January 13, 2012
He was drunk.
Brownie's Year - January 13, 2012
Got ya….I wanna go golfing…..:(
The New Kardiac Kids - January 13, 2012
You can’t just go calling people morons here. It won’t fly.
rufio - January 13, 2012
I understand that, and I meant what I said when I said I respect you. He did however not read what I said. On the other hand, it’s ok for people to call me a douche?
The New Kardiac Kids - January 13, 2012
Notthatnoise…….someone called me a douche…..please moderate.
The New Kardiac Kids - January 13, 2012
I haven’t seen it, please flag it.
I will not warn you again to keep this stuff private. Future complaints about the moderators will be deleted.
notthatnoise - January 13, 2012
Where in the world am I complaining about moderators? Ok, I will flag it.
The New Kardiac Kids - January 13, 2012
Seriously, just because i’m older doesn’t mean I don’t have respect for you. I have mad respect for Chris’ writing, I think you guys do a fantastic job. I even warmed to Matt. If you have a problem with me my email is rgehling@roadrunner.com.
The New Kardiac Kids - January 13, 2012
Where in the world did I say anything about your age? I have no idea how old you are.
notthatnoise - January 14, 2012
You are publicly airing dirty laundry. Pretty sure it says right in the community guidelines that everyone here had to accept that questions/comments about deletion should be taken to emails with either Chris or a mod. If you have a problem with a comment you flag it, like NTN said above.
North Coast Flea - January 13, 2012
punctuation failure in my second sentence *Guidelines,that… accept, that…
North Coast Flea - January 13, 2012
All I said was “It’s ok for someone to call me a douche, but I can’t say moron”? Hardly airing my laundry.
The New Kardiac Kids - January 13, 2012
North Coast Flea - January 13, 2012
it was SB. He calls everyone a douche (or something like that). Welcome to the club.
bross09 - January 13, 2012
I’m like Bender. I’m the ass you all love. Now kiss it.
SpecialBrownie - January 13, 2012
You are like Bender. Can be annoying, but lovable too.
bross09 - January 13, 2012
You mean bite it?
North Coast Flea - January 13, 2012
I’m Bender, whoopdy do.
SpecialBrownie - January 13, 2012
Daffodil? (Yes this makes sense if you’ve watched enough Futurama)
Doc's Kid - January 14, 2012
Just finished Season 5. Didn’t come up once. Need to watch more.
SpecialBrownie - January 14, 2012
It’s in the ball planet episode.
North Coast Flea - January 14, 2012
Is it shiny and metal?
rufio - January 13, 2012
And it needs bitten.
SpecialBrownie - January 13, 2012
You’re something all right.
Brownie's Year - January 13, 2012
If you flag it and someone did call you a douche, it will go away. I promise. I know I don’t read every comment here, I am sure others are the same way. We miss stuff. Flag it for us and it will come to our attention.
rufio - January 13, 2012
can we call them morans?
bross09 - January 13, 2012
How about Mormons?
macdowellm03 - January 13, 2012
depends on context.
rufio - January 13, 2012
If they can tell its a joke
rufio - January 13, 2012
if now, we just show them a picture of some gold ol’ morans so they can get it.
bross09 - January 14, 2012
Like this guy?
HenryDawg - January 14, 2012
Yes. Man, the American flag bandanna, the mustache, the glasses, the ponytail, the odd usage of punctuation, sentence fragments, and capitalization…its just marvelous.
rufio - January 15, 2012
Yeah, that’s an all-timer.
Dawg Nuts - January 15, 2012
Is that a ponytail or a mullet?
Simmsinns - January 15, 2012
Mullet
Roger Dorn - January 15, 2012
haha My mother’s maiden name is Moran.
Brownie's Year - January 14, 2012
irish?
bross09 - January 14, 2012
Yeah. Pretty sure that’s where the red hair gene came from even though she has black hair.
Brownie's Year - January 14, 2012
only reason I guessed that was because of Harry Potter.
bross09 - January 14, 2012
Never seen it so not sure what you mean.
Brownie's Year - January 14, 2012
(revealing my true nerd here)
I don’t think it was in the movies, but in the books. The Irish Quiddich team (quiddich is a wizard sport kinda like soccer) in the Quiddich World Cup had 3 really good chasers (basically forwards) named Troy, mullet, and moran.
bross09 - January 14, 2012
I was gonna make a nerd comment until I realized I’m the same way with Star Wars movies. Nerdiness runs in every generation.
Dawg Nuts - January 14, 2012
I am just following in the footsteps of my dad who was a long-haired star trek lovin’ hippy. I just don’t have that long hair.
bross09 - January 14, 2012
You just lost whatever cool points you had.
Brownie's Year - January 14, 2012
I Bross’ man card officially revoked?
North Coast Flea - January 14, 2012
*Is
North Coast Flea - January 14, 2012
I don’t know if I ever had any. No joke, I am currently learning how to play D&D. I think I am in negative nerd points except that from what I have learned, you cannot have negative attributes in D&D.
bross09 - January 14, 2012
I think the biggest problem is that you’re admitting all of this. Closet nerdiness is the best kind.
Dawg Nuts - January 14, 2012
I’m a nerd and I’m proud of it.
North Coast Flea - January 14, 2012
I admit too many things sometimes.
bross09 - January 15, 2012
As a Star Wars nerd, I think more people need to accept their inner nerdiness. It’s perfectly normal. Right?!?!
Legoman0721 - January 14, 2012 via Android app
Man I used to be great at D&D when I was like 7.
rufio - January 15, 2012
I never knew people or hung out people who played until college.
bross09 - January 15, 2012
I think its making a comeback with cool kids. When I was in school it was pretty popular in nerd circles but ultimately lost out to video games.
HenryDawg - January 15, 2012
I hang out with a lot of nerds right now, so I dunno if they are the cool kids, but I think they are pretty cool.
bross09 - January 15, 2012
I think that’s how most nerds are. It’s a secret though.
Doc's Kid - January 15, 2012
I don’t hang out with the nerds who never leave their PS3s. I hang out with the ones who have a job, game, and occasionally have a good rager.
bross09 - January 15, 2012
My cousin and I played it 25+ years ago. I don’t really remember much about it, but I know it was fun.
Dawg Nuts - January 15, 2012
I thought about getting into that, but everyone was either not interested or had their own groups and stuff.
Doc's Kid - January 15, 2012
One of my friends is starting a campaign so there is a group opening up. Its kinda a weird thing like that, you have to find a group and all that.
bross09 - January 15, 2012
SMH.
North Coast Flea - January 13, 2012
I read what you said and it didn’t change what my reply would have been.
BTW, bringing up someone’s drunk, embarrassing moment after a brutal steeler loss is kind of a dick thing to do.
Thanks for the support BY.
HenryDawg - January 13, 2012
No worries. Many of us have had our pissy drunk moments. It happens and I thought nothing less of you for it. I did laugh my ass off though.
Brownie's Year - January 13, 2012
I must have missed an epic thread.
North Coast Flea - January 13, 2012
It was non-stop swear words followed by “Ban me”. Super funny.
Brownie's Year - January 13, 2012
Wish I saw it.
North Coast Flea - January 13, 2012
You were in hiatus.
Brownie's Year - January 13, 2012
Yeah I went on a mini hiatus after that game.
North Coast Flea - January 13, 2012
Super embarrassing, I was pretty sure I was going to be shown the door the next day, but got a reprieve. I barely remember what I did, but knew it was bad, its slowly coming back to me. I have no idea how I made it to work the next day.
HenryDawg - January 13, 2012
Yeah, we were all at our best that day.
Dawg Nuts - January 14, 2012
Good times… good times.
Brownie's Year - January 14, 2012
drunk rufio is the best.
bross09 - January 13, 2012
Just FYI, and this comes from a discussion in an earlier thread, I put together a list of QBs taken in the first round of the draft between 1990 and 2005. I’m getting about a 40% success rate – I judged this subjectively, so feel free to disagree with whether a guy was/is successful. It seems like the success rate has improved over time, by the way.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AnXugB8J_7I3dEM4aGlQby1BSE9fM2ZESEFPZHlwY3c
The full listing is in the second tab of the spreadsheet. You can get there by clicking the little “sheet 2” thing on the bottom-left.
batard - January 13, 2012
Keep up the good work. Maybe try compiling this stuff into a fanpost if you get the free time.
notthatnoise - January 13, 2012
Thanks – I will do that at some point. I just added a sheet on WRs, too, which appears to show a 44%-ish success rate between 1995 and 2005.
As with QBs, this is somewhat subjective (I generally used the criterion that receivers had to have at least 5k career yards to be called successful and less if they’re still active).
batard - January 13, 2012
Definitely turn it into a Fan Post
Bernie19Kosar - January 13, 2012
I love this place. Yet I fear being banned because I want RG3 but I say out loud our front office doesn’t. It’s only a smokescreen. Or is it national media?
The New Kardiac Kids - January 13, 2012
Hmmmmm
The New Kardiac Kids - January 13, 2012
No one is censoring your opinion, merely asking you to back it up. Why do you think our front office doesn’t want Griffin?
notthatnoise - January 13, 2012
Wow…shhhh. Maybe they do…..
The New Kardiac Kids - January 13, 2012
I’ve already been banned once for saying the same thing that others said to me. Here on DBN, not all pigs are equal.
J. W. - January 13, 2012
They should be.
The New Kardiac Kids - January 13, 2012
You guys should drop the victimization schtick. You have moderators telling you all you need to do is make an argument that is backed up with some evidence or reasoning. The same thing is expected of everyone, including those who have been around forever. If you think there is favoritism toward regulars/long-timers here, try some of the other SBN sites, they’re considerably worse.
Dawg Nuts - January 13, 2012
I’m not the best at clarifying what I say, I agree.
The New Kardiac Kids - January 13, 2012
The cry of victim is very loud in this thread.
North Coast Flea - January 13, 2012
We’ve had regulars banned, so that argument doesn’t carry water.
Roger Dorn - January 13, 2012
Ain’t that the truth.
Brownie's Year - January 13, 2012
RIP golan, whoever you are now
Doc's Kid - January 13, 2012
North Coast Flea - January 13, 2012
He’s everyone. We all collectively keep him alive in our hearts.
Dawg Nuts - January 14, 2012
I know something you don’t know. :P
Brownie's Year - January 14, 2012
I think Golan will reveal himself to me in some way. I’m patiently waiting.
Dawg Nuts - January 14, 2012
That’s never gunna happen. Trust me. I can tell you through email if you want.
Brownie's Year - January 14, 2012
I’d ask you to let me know but I enjoy the mystery.
North Coast Flea - January 14, 2012
Absolutely. I think my email address is on my profile. The secret is safe with me.
Dawg Nuts - January 14, 2012
Sent you an email earlier. You’re the only person I’ve told.
Brownie's Year - January 15, 2012
I wanna join the party!
bross09 - January 15, 2012
Just got it. Our time zones don’t jive well.
Dawg Nuts - January 15, 2012
I’m skeptical that you know what you think you know.
Simmsinns - January 15, 2012
I’m skeptical about what he does or doesn’t know as well, but I’m also skeptical that you would know what Brownie knows or doesn’t know.
By the way, if there’s something I don’t know about all this please let me know.
burntorangeandbrown - January 15, 2012
The difference is that I’ll admit that I don’t know for sure. That’s why I used the word skeptical.
Simmsinns - January 15, 2012
It’s not like I guessed. He told me through a string of emails.
Brownie's Year - January 15, 2012
You’re assuming he was telling you the truth.
Simmsinns - January 15, 2012
He did. He told me he would say a certain thing at a certain time on here to prove it and it happened.
Brownie's Year - January 15, 2012
Ah, I see. Either his social engineering skills are incredible or he was just telling to the truth.
Simmsinns - January 15, 2012
I’ll leave that up to you to decide who may or may not be involved in this game.
Brownie's Year - January 15, 2012
I am the Golan.
North Coast Flea - January 15, 2012
Nice try, Gola.. wait, what?
Simmsinns - January 16, 2012
Nice job trying to get people off of your trail, Golan.
Dawg Nuts - January 16, 2012
I was just having fun with a bit of silly rhetoric. Wasn’t being serious.
burntorangeandbrown - January 15, 2012
And more than a few warned.
notthatnoise - January 14, 2012
I’m SB, I’m the Greatest.
SpecialBrownie - January 14, 2012
As of 12:01 I am another year older. I don’t like that anymore. I have been up all night and possibly been a bit nutz.
The New Kardiac Kids - January 13, 2012
Ok, so I get up and get the kids off to the bus stop….My wife left me a card…..The card says "World’s number one “sexist” husband". I really hope that meant sexiest.
The New Kardiac Kids - January 13, 2012
Just acknowledge her offering and demand she finishes the damn breakfast before you have to get the belt out.
Simmsinns - January 13, 2012
LOL….I love that some folks get sarcasm. I really didn’t mean to get anyone pissed off by saying we aren’t taking Griffin…..
The New Kardiac Kids - January 13, 2012
Don’t take anything personally and you will be fine. No one is out to get anyone else here.
Roger Dorn - January 13, 2012
I did once…
and I succeeded.
SpecialBrownie - January 13, 2012
No one’s pissed because of who you think we are or are not drafting. Several people are confused because you make no sense and then seem to get really mad when people ask you what you are talking about.
rufio - January 13, 2012
My take was several people got mad when I said this front office won’t take RG3.
The New Kardiac Kids - January 13, 2012
Several people got mad because you flip flopped sides so you wouldn’t lose an argument.
SpecialBrownie - January 13, 2012
Reminds me of John Kerry.
North Coast Flea - January 13, 2012
I’m starting to think he may really be drunk
macdowellm03 - January 13, 2012 via Android app
Just listening to Twisted Sister.
The New Kardiac Kids - January 13, 2012
Sorry man, I looked back through this entire post and can’t see where I got mad once. Not even when I was called a douche.
The New Kardiac Kids - January 13, 2012
Personally I hope we use FA to add veterans difference makers to both sides of the ball, and trade out of both 1st round spots and load up on young talented draftee’s.
J. W. - January 13, 2012
We have not olny a talent deficiency, but complete lack of depth. There’s going to be a crap load of Cap casulties this year, and we have the cash to pick up some good players.
J. W. - January 13, 2012
I forgot about cap casualties with all FA and draft talk.
crazyL80 - January 13, 2012
I think if we keep trading out of high first round spots our talent deficiency will continue. I know high draft picks scare Browns fans but its not like there’s as much risk as there used to be and Heckert seems to be pretty good at this draft thing.
HenryDawg - January 13, 2012
I don’t think staying in the top 5 is as important as using your draft picks wisely. Look at how Sheard and Little turned out this year and they were 2nd round guys. Certainly they don’t represent a trend towards “talent deficiency”. You are more likely to get an elite player high in the first, but if you use the picks right and get a good deal on trades, you can build just as effective of a team.
That being said, few elite QBs drop to the late teens-early 20s in the first.
bross09 - January 13, 2012
Few elite anything drop past the first round. Sheard is very good, but he isn’t elite and he probably never will be. Our depth isn’t great but it isn’t what it used to be either. I think a couple game changing players will go a lot further on this team as currently constructed than they would have two years ago.
notthatnoise - January 14, 2012
I agree, but imo you can generally live without those game changers you get in the top 10 unless they are QBs.
bross09 - January 14, 2012
I apologize if I have offended anyone. I will graciously bow-out until after the draft. Have a nice day.
The New Kardiac Kids - January 13, 2012
Anyway, it is my birthday. Please don’t massacre me when i’m gone, see above. And again, have a nice day.
The New Kardiac Kids - January 13, 2012
Happy Birthday. (Not sarcasm.)
North Coast Flea - January 13, 2012
Happy Birthday, also we know you’ll be back.
HenryDawg - January 13, 2012
See you Sunday
Bernie19Kosar - January 13, 2012
Perfect. The season might be over, but the Factory of Sadness is always open.
rufio - January 13, 2012
It seems we all work swing-shifts there.
Dawg Nuts - January 14, 2012
You were back two weeks ago, weren’t you?
BuenosAires_Dawg - January 14, 2012
Don’t know what the hell it is about this team that keeps me coming back for more and more. I’m not from Cleveland, I’m not even American, I’ve never attended a single football game in my life (I doubt the Penn Quakers count) and I’m hooked to this f’ing team.
BuenosAires_Dawg - January 14, 2012
Welcome to the club.
burntorangeandbrown - January 14, 2012
Do you live in America though? If you like the Browns so much you NEED to find a way to watch a live game.
Brownie's Year - January 14, 2012
You can get nfl.com NFL game pass overseas and watch all the games live (if you have it in the US, you can only use the ‘REWIND’ and watch them the next day).
burntorangeandbrown - January 14, 2012
When I say “live” I mean in person.
Brownie's Year - January 14, 2012
Unfortunately, my 3 live games have all been losses. But it was still awesome being there.
Dawg Nuts - January 14, 2012
I’m batting 0 as well in all of my 1 games that I’ve been to.
North Coast Flea - January 14, 2012
I was lucky enough to be at every home game in the 07 season. I actually think of all the games I’ve been to I have only seen maybe 3 losses!! My first game was a Monday night game against the Niners, September 13th, 1993. Victory!!
RyanBr - January 14, 2012
I’ll chip in to buy this man a PSL
HenryDawg - January 15, 2012
I’ve been to two NFL games in my lifetime. The first was a St. Louis Cardinals game my Dad took me to when I was a kid.
The second was in November in 1985. I was living in San Marcos, Tx (before I moved up to Austin). I drove up to Dallas with some friends to watch the Bears play the Cowboys (I’ll assume you guys are familiar with that ‘85 Bears team…:-/). All of us were rooting for the Bears (I’ve always hated the Cowboys). We ended up sitting in a section where there were quite a few Bears fans. One guy was actually wearing a Bear suit – LMAO. The Bears trounced them 44-0. We were pretty lit up (in more than one way) and having a bit too much fun, but didn’t get too obnoxious. There were some Dallas fans that starting getting pretty nasy with us by the time it was over tough. Good thing we had a pretty good sized group.
burntorangeandbrown - January 14, 2012
Awesome. Days like that are lifetime memories.
Dawg Nuts - January 14, 2012
That’s awesome, how did you get to be a Browns fan?
HenryDawg - January 14, 2012
Maybe i’m an idiot for coming back on here, but I wanted to clarify some things. I was just having fun with the smokescreen thing. I wasn’t flip-flopping. By saying out loud I don’t think they are taking RG3, I was hoping some people actually take that seriously because this site gets a lot of national exposure. I actually really want him and despite what I said, I think the front office might too. It would help them out if the rest of the NFL didn’t think they did. The only thing I took seriously was the “psychologist” thing. I’m a nurse and if the wrong people actually saw me allowing myself to be alluded to as something beyond my scope of practice, my career could be jeopardized. I take that VERY seriously. Beyond that, thanks Rufio for your post about flagging, I appreciate that, and you B19K for “expecting to see me Sunday”. And thanks to everyone else here that I actually give a crap about (including you HD), but i’m going to take that hiatus. See you after the draft.
The New Kardiac Kids - January 14, 2012
I like you man, I just wish you would stop reminding me and everyone else of one of my many, um, less than stellar moments. But you got a live with the past, its not the first or last time I will publicly embarrass myself. Hope to see you back here before then.
HenryDawg - January 14, 2012
You’ve never bothered me with your comments. But this pity card stuff is getting annoying. You’re too serious about this crap.
Brownie's Year - January 14, 2012
See you Sunday
Bernie19Kosar - January 14, 2012
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