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Pittsburgh Steelers vs. Cleveland Browns - Official Game Thread (4th Quarter)

After a Seneca Wallace interception, the Steelers drove down the field en route to an Isaac Redman touchdown run, giving Pittsburgh a 13-6 advantage. Cleveland then put together a drive similar to one in the first half -- with catches by Joshua Cribbs and a big run by Wallace -- to set up another field goal (49 yards) by Dawson. The Browns are down 13-9 heading into the final quarter (barring overtime) of the season.

VS.

Game: Pittsburgh Steelers vs. Cleveland Browns
Date/Time: Sunday, January 1, 2012 at 4:15 p.m. EST
Television: CBS, WOIO Channel 19 (Cleveland)
Announcers: Kevin Harlan & Solomon Wilcots

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Comments

First?

And so I am dethroned

four-hundred-and-ninetieth?

Does this mean you’re not as cool now?

Why would Vick get Comeback Player of the Year this year?

Alex Smith has got that one in his bag. He deserves it too

No way, DQ deserves it.

Like what DQ has done but I’d vote for Alex Smith

Breakout player. He’s impressed. Jimmy Harbaugh deserves a medal.

I could see why you think that, but DQ gets it in my book.

I don’t know, DQ has always produced, all the while Smith would probably be out of the NFL if not for this season.

DQ missed two whole seasons.

Pennington always produced.

I’m just saying I think it’s saying a lot more for a player who’s underachieved his entire career to lead of one the best teams in the NFL, compared to a player who’s played at a probowl level to continue that play after extended injury. The first senario is why the award was made in the first place

You really think DQ was pro bowl level BEFORE the injury?

Smith has never been anything good to come back from though. Why does he deserve something if he’s always underachieved?

But what has Alex Smith “comeback” from? He has always been terrible,

DQ missed two whole seasons and is borderline Pro Bowl player this season.

But what has Alex Smith "comeback" from? He has always been terrible,

Say this again a little more slowly

So, he’s never comeback from anything?

In order to comeback from something, you have to be there first.

I agree with Bernie. Alex Smith just blows a little less. What DQ did is more note worthy. Also DQ is doing it on a garbage team

comeback=/=breakout

“Comeback player of the year” does not translate to “comeback player of the year from injury”. Smith acquired the form that was expected from him when he was drafted. That is a comeback too.

No it’s not. You have to be something in the NFL in the first place. Comeback almost certainly means you were able to come back from injury.

Then why aren’t other “busts” considered for the award?

You have to be good before you can make a comeback. Being shitty isn’t an excuse.

Patterson is comeback player then.

Or Maybin?

good one.

Peyton Hillis should have gotten it last year. He did jack shit his first few years in the league.

exactly. He was considered horrifically awful in Philly.

By this logic, should Arian Foster have gotten “comeback player” because he had an awesome year in 2010?

Doesn’t make sense to me.

I wondered the same thing. I was thinking, “what the hell?”

yeah, wasn’t his comeback last year?

Yeah, I thought he had a much better year last season.

I think the announcer made an error..

No, tell me you’re kidding.

victory thread.

We can still win this.

Maybe if we put Thad in, maybe he’s not allergic to the endzone.

I expect great thib.

I would love a comparison of holding calls against PIT and against their opponents.

TLP considers it even and fair.

Just like the commentative fellating.

There is no such thing as an argument against shittsburgh favoritism by the refs

I’m so disgusted that DEN is going to get in the playoffs by virtue of an OAK loss.

God will get his grandson in one way or the other.

Is Little out?

He has to be, granted I haven’t listened to the whole game but I haven’t heard his name mentioned once.

I saw him go in motion once. And Hardesty was even in for a play!

He has been targeted twice.

98 passing yrds in the 4th? He/we suck.

Brett, you’re so cool because you wear hats of yourself.

Jesus Christ.

The announcers thought it was cool.

We really need a quarterback

How many run plays has Murmer called today?

I’m sure he doesn’t know.

I don’t like criticizing constantly people who know much more than me.. but hasn’t the season proven that that play doesn’t ever come close to working on 3rd and middle distances?

I hate this “offense.”

but it is our system. We need to commit to it. Are you with us or against us?

It’s a process and we are battling

If only we had a winner at the helm…

That’s my understanding of things.

This game needs to hurry up. I wanna take a nap.

DQ is my homeboy.

Congrats to the biggest a-hole on 1000 grabs.

as many cheers as boos there….f’ing sad.

Hahaha, his record comes on a 3 yd loss

Why the hell would they put Hines Ward in the HOF?

He’s next to Derek Fisher in the flopper HoF.

It bet Derek Fisher and Hines Ward would get along famously. Probably would be down is a threeway with Wilcots.

Wilcotts would definitely be the meat in the metaphorical sandwich.

He was good and popular. I hate him.

If Hines Ward goes into the HOF before Cris Carter my head explodes on the giant orange juicer in Canton.

Does he think he’s the man because he manipulated a play to get his 1,000th?

Why is PIT challenging?

Oh. We are challenging. Har.

How is it a “13-yard reception” if it was right in front of the first down marker?

They lost yardage on the Ward “catch”

Oh, haha. Didn’t notice that.

Defense. Force a freaking turnover for once please. You never force any.

Need more camera angles to see if it’s a catch or not.

God if we had an average offense what would our record be?

And an average rush defense.

Nice coverage by Skrine though.

Seneca’s blown TO just screwed us

FUMBLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

Gocong!

You finally changing your tune?

I want to see good football, I just want to see us finish with less points.

No no, I meant on Gocong.

Oh, he has been awesome filling in for Fujita, In fact, I have no problem with cutting Fujita and letting Gocong fill that role next season.

Yep. SAM’s usually don’t need speed. WILL’s do, which is why it hurt Gocong in the first place.

I thought when we started the season it seemed like we had 2 sams (Gocong/Fujita) and no true Will. If we had a WILL it was maiava.

I like Fujita’s leadership. If anything bring him back and transition to a new guy.

I wonder if Fuji would be cool with that.

I think he would, he seems pretty comfortable in his role as elder statesman.

WOO! TO and penalty!

FACEMASK!!!!!!!!!!!

Wooooo and a call goes our way!!!

Eric Hagg is becoming one of my favorite late-round picks.

Buster has been solid too

For the most part, I’m really impressed with our drafting the last two years.

Gocong’s had some big hits this year.

He has been awesome in Fujita’s spot.

Hagg was almost squeezed to death

Sweeeet touch on that pass, Sheldy.

nice facemask asshole.

Unleash it, Shurmur.

Not going to be a popular comment, but Jordon Cameron is not going to be on the team next year.

Why is that? I’m thinking Watson has to retire after that many concussions?

What?

I don’t see it. I know, I know, he was hoops player. I don’t see much.

He’s still barely played football. He’ll get at least another year.

No, I actually think he is a much bigger cog in this offense next season. Coaching staff seems to like him, he has gotten a lot of PT since Watson has gone down.

Maybe. He has a lot of improvement to go. I hope you’re right. I don’t mean to throw the guy under a truck.

Definitely a developmental guy

Why do you think that? He’s been decent from what we’ve seen, he was a draft pick and not a UDFA, and Watson is getting old and hurt.

He has hands like feet.

QB Draw? That’s retarded.

Little get this TD, baby!

Come on, Shurmur. Dial up something interesting.

Seriously, where is Little? Am I blind/deaf?

He was in there on that 3rd-down pass play.

Maybe I should say, has he been targeted at all today?

LETS GO BROWNIES!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hardesty? Really?

Peyton’s out with some sort of knee injury.

fuck!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Oh no. The curseeeeeeeee

It looked like the Pittsburgh D called that offensive play. Sheesh.

great, hillis is hurt again!

enjoy your new team next year Hillis.

Yes, ran routes long enough to get past the first down marker.

I would rather see Obi

UGH MO MASS DAMMIT

Another bad call but he has to catch that.

No flag for the hit on MoMass?

Cribbs in the background like COME ON!

Geez…the first thing out of their mouth is his “disappointing career”? Geez, just say he is having a bad season.

I don’t know, for a second rounder he’s pretty disappointing.

Little has been quiet today.

I dunno if it’s been “disappointing”. Considering the expectations he set with a good rookie year, sure. But he probably exceeded expectations there.

Point is, “disappointing career” is not a definite and is definitely up for debate. “disappointing season” is not. As an objective announcer, you should say the latter.

In his third year you would expect him to be better, not being the second or third option after Little and Cribbs.

a lot of that I believe has been due to injuries this year, but he definitely has been a disappointment this year.

that’s not the point. The point is that he definitively has had a disappointing year and there is no way you could be sane and debate that. Whether or not he has had a disappointing career for a late-2nd round pick is more unclear. If it isn’t an unclear point, an announcer shouldn’t say it like it’s fact.

Ugh, Momass. You gotta catch that.

jeeeezzz momass!!! you suck

Catch the rock

Goddamnit i’m done with MoMass.

Mo has to make that grab.

They’re punting? COME ON.

well yeah. No way I go for it

I assume you have balls. Shummer, not so much…

Why? We’re not playing for much. Be aggressive.

Right, we lose, get a better draft pick.

Bad throw, worse catch. Not a great punt, either.

PIT starting on their 15 is fine with me.

This team looks like they are not even in the NFL. It is like a different league – esp. the offense.

Do you not watch when we are on defense?

D’s been good today. Still say their rankings are deceiving.

After 16 games, a duck is a duck.

Right. How many wins do we have?

You’re not a big picture guy I take it?

And yet they’re right in the game against one of the top three teams in the conference who still have something to play for…

Totally not true, they’ve hung with our division in every game except 1 and that’s against 2, maybe 3 playoff teams and we’re the youngest one. We’ll get better.

How many division wins?

Fail

How?

You’re not a big picture guy I take it?

No, I am finally a “show me, don’t tell me” kinda guy. We have some nice pieces but after losing most our games the last 13 years vs. Pit and Bal, color me a little skeptical.

Yeah that sort of thinking is why we’ve sucked for the last 13 years.

Meaning?

Meaning learn some patience. You don’t win Super Bowls just because you want to. You have to build teams over time.

I guess a decade+ of waiting isn’t enough patience. I must be a bad Browns fan.

Like I said, you don’t see the big picture, just want results without any idea of how to get them and you’ll bitch and whine until you get them. That doesn’t help.

Blind faith isn’t a good strategy for winning superbowls either, bub.

Holding called on the Steelers? How did that happen?

bout time they called a hold on shittsburgh

They’ll call 1 out of every 10.

It’s the once a game token call

We’re really bad at evaluating WRs.

Heckert thought Robiskie was gonna turn out to be real good in the WCO. You are correct.

This is sarcasm right?

No. Heckert made comments a few weeks back about how he was disappointed and thought Robiskie was gonna do well.

Oh I thought you meant he drafted him. I think everyone thought he would be a good WCO receiver. He wasn’t, it happens, we move on.

Here’s a positive comment: We have a damn good defense. Our run D has imprvoed too.

I’m loving Sheard. I need that jersey seriously.

Dude’s fired up. I love it.

I couldn’t be more in love w/ him. He’s seriously my fav.

snow?? i dont see no snow!

Buster, buster, buster. Why did you do that?

Sister’s my new mother, mother.

Super Rec.

Rookie whoopsie

I like how they didn’t call an illegal cut on the O line. You can’t cut an LB blitzing from the LB position.

Bad throw there actually helped the Steelers. Cotchery had to come back for that pass, right into Skrine.

He was covered. I guess a little too covered..

A bad throw would help them

They’re killing us on time of possesion.

Six defensive back, and none of them cover Crotchery.

FUMBLE!!!!!!!!!!

BROWNS GET IT!

Joe HADEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

He’s such a stud.

JOE HADEN SUCKS SO HARD!!!!!!1 DUR

My stream is way behind!

Yes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Usama with the hit!

Hell of a play.

Our D keeps us in these games

They do, if we could average 21 a game on offense we would be in the playoffs.

Haden, why you gotta suck?

Lolz.

Oh yeah, Isaac Redman = Franco Harris

They said it again??

And another Brown is down. But the announcers aren’t worried.

Usama Bin Strippin

Could we please just get a TD?

Phenomenal play by adams and young.

Young’s best play of they year?

Hillis is back.

Cribbs has been making some big catches today. Take him away and Wallace has no one.

wallace is noone!

someone had to say it.

Cribbs is not that bad of a WR

He is, but he’s been effective on them today.

Good defense by Momass

MoMass just had a huge tackle. And Seneca is awful

Every time we throw to the sideline it looks like it could be a pick 6. Cripes.

It’s the one time where arm strength really plays a major role. Plus, Seneca throws those routes late, everytime.

Wallace stop throwing dumb passes. That should’ve been picked.

That should have been offensive PI.

C’Mon Wallace.

And again Wallace sucks.

Seneca sucks.

I don’t even know if that’s seneca, that play just sucks. It screams INT

It’s clearly Seneca. The idiot throws it.

I don’t think that play has any chance of success when you aren’t stretching the defense vertically.

That play has no success when Seneca is throwing it. Why are you trying to defend this douche who sucks at football?

Not at all, I’m just tired of seeing the same 3 yard out that has more of a chance at being intercepted than caught for a gain.

Offense, why you gotta suck like that?

Back to back bad passes by Wallace. He’s lucky he only has 1 INT this game.

But I thought that Colt was the cause of all of our offensive problem?

Straw man much?

Well both play the same position…so what are you trying to say?

Goddam it I’m sick of these out passes that require a 25 yard pass to gain 2 yards.

Please god let us get a QB that can make a few plays in a game.

BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Maynard for Pro Bowl.

What a nutless coward Shurmur is.

You are 4 – 11 why are you punting?

Because our best chance to score is to force a turnover deep in Pitt territory?

Sadly I think you may be right

ive been really impressed with Maiva as of late.

OT – 8:40 left in the game and the Raiders are down 5

24 seconds left in Denver

19 on the 49 yard line. 4th and 2.

Tebow INT! Chiefs win!

Now Oakland might come back…

Jk, they blew it.

So Denver gets in anyways?

Yep. Oakland had to win. I’m just glad Orton won.

I have a feeling that I’m going to have to wear a Steelers purse when I get back to Toledo. Fuck.

Idiot.

Yeah, I know. Being an honors student does nothing for common sense.

Well, at least we have a few ore chances to seriously injure Pig Ben.

That would be a nice consolation prize in a loss.

Tebow INT to end it.

Too bad that didn’t cost them the playoffs.

Think of the bright side, now you can laugh at the people that said this about Denver’s earlier streak: “Why win? They ain’t making the playoffs!”

6-22, 2.7 Y/A.

That is truly atrocious.

are those senecas stats??

OMG HE’S SO GOOD

I don’t think we’ll be bad next year. The defense is good.

I don’t think one year is enough time to fix this mess of an offense

True, I see us rounding into position in 3-4 years.

Cincy’s loss looks assured. Down 8, 80 yards to go with 1 minute to play.

3rd and 10 for Cinncy

picked it up.

Down to the Balt 32 with 11 secs left.

No subject lines.

I sent myself a stern warning.

They’re in with the Denver loss.

Are Redman’s fumbles really the only things keeping PIT from “blowing the game open”???

I like to think our defense is helping

I don’t remember Franco Harris having THIS bad of fumbilitis.

Don’t throw on Joe.

STOP SHOWBOATING JOE

Hahaha. They needed a TO coming out of the 2-minute warning.

I one more chance. Can’t say I’m optimistic.

Why did they throw it? assholes!

Time to find a way.

Well, we have a chance.

Haden’s hurt and the announcers never say a word. Thanks for that.

Finally Haden makes a play!

Our defense doesn’t deserve this…they play fucking hard every week!!

This is the part where the diabolical Steelers let us win to hurt our draft position because the game doesn’t matter anymore.

Anyone want to say we haven’t improved? Look at last years season finale compared to this one. Case closed.

Ohhhhh, so definitive.

That’s true.

Agreed. Now we get to see if Heckert can draft offense.

Look at Philly. He can.

Seriously. Who’d of thought we’d be as good on D as we are.

By the way, Evan Moore just suffered another concussion. Still playing

Loked realy obvious. Frozen field.

A few years from now, when we’re relishing our Super Bowl, we’ll look back on these seasons and who our WRs ,TEs and RBs were in shock and awe that we won any games.

To hell with the draft. Win! F the Steelers!

Reel it in, Cribbs.

Cribbs is an absolute warrior.

buuuuuuuuuuuuuh I hate ineptitude.

WE need recievers over RG3

false.

Truth. See…I say it last and make it true.

I’m not opposed to drafting Blackmon.

This is the grandeur of our two minute drill

So many drops

Mitchel Sighting

man , now the snow has picked up

Carlton!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

CARLTON MITCHELLLLLL

Yay he knows how to spike it.

i think its all he knows how to do well

Mitchell with his 3rd catch on the season. WE HAVE SO MANY OFFENSIVE WEAPONS

This was way too funny.

Took 5 seconds off not going down.

At least Sen didn’t call a run play there.

What’s his average?

Why is it that we never have any timeouts left late in games?

Because Wallace needs to call them since he can’t read defenses

Seemed like the same thing when McCoy was QB – never any TO’s left.

How does Carlton magically get open???

Can we get a last minute win for once?

Colt used our last minute win already.

Will Wallace call a run play soon?

Well one more play.

Let’s go Wallace

Of course, they rave about the tackle rather than the first down.

There was no first down

Yes there was, but the tackle was the bigger play.

It was 2nd and 10 apparently

2nd and 10 due to the spike on 1st down.

Cause Seneca spiked it?

This is so fun. C’mon Browns.

Gotta go to Cribbs

Steelers just saved us from a delay of game

Not really, but I’ll take it.

THEY’RE FUCKING SCARED!!

Can’t believe Cincy and Denver both lose and are going to make it to the postseason.

I can’t remember the last time 3 teams from a division made the playoffs!

Who gets the 4th pick? Us or Tampa Bay?

Great game out of the Brownies. A lot to be happy about going into next season.

I agree, I’m stoked for the future. It may take a couple more drafts but we’re getting there.

Our defense deserves a win. They play their asses off.

Need to send RGIII his jersey in the mail.

Before drafting him we need to be sure that he’s mastered throwing the two yard out on 3rd and 10

Actually I was wondering if he could throw shorter touch passes and after watching their bowl game, he did it all night long.

FUCK

You’ll be happy next season

Assuming our draft pick is good enough to not let this organization break him.

There’s nothing wrong with this organization.

And we actually looked better against the Steelers both times this year than last year.

held them to 27 total points. Then again, we only scored 12…

Assuming our draft pick is good enough to not let this [fill in Browns hire here] break him.

Interesting point, in that you probably mean Shurmur. I hear some people say the offense is so complicated it takes at least 3 years to learn. I hear others saying its so vanilla and simple its easy to defend. I have no idea which is true but I would believe either of them.

It doesn’t have to be Shurmur, anyone we’ve hired in the past 12 years.

Oh well. We played hard and kept it close.

And he dropped it. And I’m going to have to wear a purse. A steelers purse. FUCK

The moral is don’t make stupid bets.

yeah, lesson learned.

Oh Well, we’ll have a nice pick this draft and I like how we’ve kept it close against PITT both games this year. I really like our chances at being good next season.

Game over. For those that wanted draft position you got it. For everyone else, we “battled.”

That’s my understanding of things.

Actually, I wanted us to look respectable and fight. I don’t like wishing we’d lose. But the fact is that draft position DOES matter. It’s the difference between getting Blackmon or RGIII vs the 7th-9th pick.

0-6 in the division :(

Good effort though. We are getting better.

Great draft position and we didn’t get embarassed.

This is what I take from it.

Browns played well...

…and Wallace looked good at QB. So, I guess your QB debate begins now, with the added element of who you draft as QB?

Lol no debate. RGIII

That is my understanding.

Wallace was awful.

I can’t tell if you’re serious or not about Wallace. I started laughing immediately.

I’m going to predict that whoever our QB is, he won’t be a serial rapist.

what game were you watching where Wallace was any semblance of an NFL QB…even an NFL backup?

Ah, Evan Moore could’ve had that deflection if he ran in front of the pile as the ball was coming down.

Yeah thats what i was thinking.. How come players never go to front where the ricochet almost always go.

Didn’t that happen against the Bears this year? I forget the team, but a player was on the ground and the ball fell right on top of them after the swat.

I think it was JAX.

Defense has come along nicely this year.

Yep, they played their guts out along with Cribbs

And Phil. The wind was supposed to have 50 mph gusts at some points during the game. Dawson, Cribbs, and the defense played a great game. Game ball: Sheard. Goat: Wallace.

It was a good effort. You have seen the last of Seneca Wallace

Cribbs had probably his best game ever at WR today. Another positive.

Time to watch the Cavs. Happy new year!

So it doesn’t matter if we’re 4th or 5th, right? Assuming we want RGIII. Luck’s going one, and Minny, St. Louis and Tampa wouldn’t take a QB. Am I missing something?

Also there’s the possibility someone (Washington) trades up for RGIII.

I think they throw money at Flynn.

Washington does whatever the fuck they want, like the honey badger, the Redskin doesn’t give a shit.

Washington may try to move up to get RG3. Or maybe Miami?

I’m hoping they break the bank for Flynn

We’re in front of Tampa.

Trade position. Also the possibility that we might want Blackmon over RGIII. Blackmon will most likely be gone to Tampa…. although they desperately need defense.

WE PICK IN FRONT OF TAMPA.

Are you sure? TB faced teams with higher winning percentage?

Yes Tampa played teams that won a combined 141 games, we played teams that only won 136 games

‘Pat, you know Brad. HEY, SEASON TICKETHOLDERS, GET THOSE GUNS OUT OF YOUR MOUTHS!’

Calling it now: Paddy Jordache and his right-hand man, Rick Simon (seeing as the Browns’ O is stuck in the 80s, this is more appropriate than Major Dad). puke

4-12….well there ya go, so where do we pick?

We pick 4th

u must be very happy

I was cheering for the Brownies, but now we pick 4th. It is what it needs to be. WE NEED A QUARTERBACK. I take no joy in losing to PIttsburgh

Tamap Bay’s opponents had a higher winning percentage than ours

How many draft threads will there be?

Millions, but it what we have to look forward too. THis team will be better

I take joy in the fact that we made a gimpy rapistburger play the whole game even though it didn’t matter.

It does matter a bit. Now that prick has to play next week.

What he was saying is that since the Ravens won, so it didn’t matter if the Steelers won or lost.

No duh. But since we kept it close and the BAL/CIN game was close we forced Ben to play the whole game.

that’s what I was saying

Haha that’s a nice way to look at it.

WE PLAYED A GOOD GAME

sry, no moral victories in the NFL

Steelers are done, Never compete with New England, or Green Bay, New Orleans

I’m worried about this:
1. Luck
2. RG III
3. blackmon
4. We’re stuck with Richardson

The Rams have Bradford and Vikings have Ponder they will not be picking RG3

Rams will be picking the OT from USC

there is no way Kalil gets to #4. He is about as much of a top-3 lock as Luck, maybe even more so.

Yeah, but I fully expect some to move up.

You think the Rams bail on Bradford or they trade away their pick?

Trade, but it would be soooooo nice if he fell. And he might.

I think H&H will do anything possible to come out of the draft with one of the QBs.

You got that right

No such thing as being stuck with drafting a RB.

That is too high for Richardson, never selected 4th

Provided we re-sign Hillis I think we are fine at RB

That should be a no-brainer for this front office.

Meh. Gets hurt too much. He won’t take what he’s worth

I think he’ll take what he’s worth. But I’m hoping H&H know what he’s worth and don’t low ball him so we end up stuck with Obi and Tender Knees.

They’re going to low ball him because he thinks he’s worth an AP contract. The man missed half the season sick and hurt. That doesn’t deserve an AP contract and he shouldn’t get it.

AP doesn’t deserve an AP contract. Personally, I highly doubt that Hillis is holding out for an AP contract.

I bet he was early on, I’m sure he’ll take 1-2 mill a year which seems fair.

He wanted DeAngelo Williams money earlier in the year.

We won’t get stuck with a pick but if we draft a RB there, I’m driving to Dayton and punching you. You’re in Dayton right?

I disagree. Especially if it’s top 5.

There is no such thing as begin stuck with drafting a QB.

Never gonna happen

Trade the pick. RGIII may be great, but it doesn’t matter yet. Build the lines, stay with a solid program [kofhacknewheadcoachwheeze], and with some time and a new head coach things will improve.

a new head coach things will improve.

We’re years away from that. Sadly.

Like three out of the four things you said are not happening.

Of course not. They’re only the things that winning teams tend to do. A solid organization with people who command respect, quality drafts, and systems that keep up with the times on BOTH sides of the ball would be just too much to ask.

Hmmm, Cleveland fans say that every year. How’s that working out?

I wasn’t saying it last year, but you make a great point. Look what happens when you jump the gun and hire someone like Shurmur.

Shurmur will be a good coach I think once he has an OC to help him and when he has more experience.

How so? I saw his act here in St. Louis. It isn’t changing.

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