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Kellen Winslow Gearing Up to Face Cleveland Browns

TAMPA FL - AUGUST 28:  Tight end Kellen Winslow #82 of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers puts a move on safety Reggie Nelson #25 of the Jacksonville Jaguars during a preseason game at Raymond James Stadium on August 28 2010 in Tampa Florida.  (Photo by J. Meric/Getty Images)

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over 1 year ago: TAMPA FL - AUGUST 28: Tight end Kellen Winslow #82 of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers puts a move on safety Reggie Nelson #25 of the Jacksonville Jaguars during a preseason game at Raymond James Stadium on August 28 2010 in Tampa Florida. (Photo by J. Meric/Getty Images)

Do you remember Kellen Winslow Jr.? It seems like it's been awhile since he played for the Cleveland Browns, but he'll only be entering his second season with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers after head coach Eric Mangini traded him during the 2009 offseason.

While Winslow never piled on the touchdowns in Cleveland, he was always a reliable target for an often bad team. In case you forgot, in 2006 he had 89 catches for 875 yards and 3 touchdowns. In 2007, he had 82 catches for 1,106 yards and 3 touchdowns. Despite being on another losing team last season, he posted similar numbers from his time in Cleveland -- 77 catches for 884 yards and 5 touchdowns.

There's no doubt that Winslow is a talented tight end (as a receiver). After all these years, I still get the feeling that he hasn't really "broken out" considering his skill set. Sure, he'll never be your ideal blocking tight end, but he forces opposing defenses to account for him on every play. That is especially important in Tampa Bay, where the team is lacking any other proven receiving threats.

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Some people have speculated that Winslow will be extremely pumped for this week's game against the Browns due to the chip on his shoulder he might have from Mangini trading him. Personally, I think Winslow is going to treat this just like any other game. The Browns don't need to be worried about Winslow being extra motivated -- they need to be worried about being able to cover tight ends period.

Covering the tight end was a problem for the Browns last year, and it continued into the preseason this year, even for teams who don't particularly excel at the tight end position:

  • The Packers threw the ball to Jermichael Finley, who had 2 catches, 30 yards. If Aaron Rodgers had wanted to, he could've thrown it to him more (he's comfortable with spreading it around though).
  • The Rams only completed 14 passes for 115 yards all game against the Browns, but guess how much of that production went to the tight ends? 7 catches for 74 yards, including a touchdown. These weren't known tight ends either; had you ever heard of Michael Hoomanawanui, Billy Bajema, and Daniel Fells prior to that game?
  • The Lions targeted their tight ends often, as the unit finished the game with at least seven receptions spread over several low-key veterans.
  • The Bears didn't play Greg Olsen much in the final preseason game, but that didn't stop him from floating wide open in the back of the end zone for an easy touchdown.

It's not about the stats, but rather how things looked on the field. Quarterbacks were too comfortable throwing the ball to tight ends who were beating our linebackers. The tight ends made it look effortless, and our linebackers looked helpless in coverage. We only saw T.J. Ward cover the tight end a few times, but it's something Mangini was asked about in Wednesday's press conference:

(On if T.J. Ward will have some responsibility covering Winslow Sunday) -- "There will be combinations of how we are going to play it.  Some will be based on formation, some could be based on matchups.  I’m sure there will be times where he will be in that situation.  Yes, it’s tough, but it’s not going to get any easier for him as we go on.  The guys that he’s going to be asked to deal with throughout the course of the year, they’re all pretty good."

I'm expecting the Buccaneers to look like a better offense than they are this weekend against the Browns' defense, but nothing too spectacular -- that is, except for Winslow. To this point, I haven't seen anyone on our team who can defend the tight end consistently, let only a rotation of players. Maybe we should try out what the Saints did against the Vikings Thursday, when they put Roman Harper on Visante Shiancoe in the second half.

What are your expectations for Winslow this week against the Browns? Can we limit his productivity, or is he going to explode?

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Yeah but you neglected to mention the QB that Tampa Bay has is no where near as good as the ones we already faced. Winslow puts up decent numbers but his play from game to game is inconsistant at best. He might be up for this game but the rest of his teammates might treat it as a ho hum game against the lowly Browns.

I agree with Aaron Rodgers. While I think Stafford will be much improved, Freeman is entering his second season too. Also, the Rams had A.J. Feeley (starting) and the Bears had Todd Collins. In the end, the point is that these offensive units as a whole are connecting with the tight ends, despite not being known for that.

I like Freeman more than Sanchez.

I think at this point, stafford is a better NFL QB and more developed while freeman is still more raw. Plus, lets not forget that Freeman may be playing, but he did just break his thumb. He will definitely not be 100% and its hard for even good NFL QBs to play well at times with a broken thumb. I have a feeling freeman will seriously struggle do do much of anything.

I have a K2 Playoff rookie autograph card. #2/25. Who wants it?

The garbage can.

Nah, it’s worth something to someone. I’ll trade for a pack of smokes or something.

No thanks, the only thing I have is a Braylon Edwards rookie card and I couldn’t give it away if I tried.

Thanks, I’ve been out of toilet paper

Why the K2 hate? He always put in the effort for us. He left because he wanted to get a big new contract and we wouldn’t give it to him. We got good value for him. He hasn’t bad-mouthed the team at all (see Braylon). Just because he left doesn’t mean we have to hate him.

screw this. the only former Brown I’m cheering for is Derek Anderson.

Not to mention he played hurt almost all the time.

I never understood why some Browns fans are mad at Winslow and even lump him in with Braylon as a “troublemaker.” He’s nothing like Braylon.

Yeah, Braylon’s not a soldier.

It’s 1:14 a.m. and Braylon Edwards is still not a soldier.

rec just for using the word soldier. i was gonna use it if no one else did.

Agreed, I don’t get it. I really like K2. One of the best Browns players in my lifetime.

never been a huge fan, but I respect him and his game

The ugly truth is that our linebacking corps, due to their lack of speed, are going to have significant trouble all season long covering athletic tight ends and most running backs. Hate to be a pessimist, but I fear that K2 could have a big day this week . . .

He’s a talented player that was a high draft pick by the browns originally. OF COURSE he’s gonna have a big day against the Browns.

Usually it follows:

1. High draft pick leaves in free agency or is traded due to general douche baggery.
2. Feel ‘slighted’ and ‘mistreated’ during your stay and either publicly or privately, blame the city of cleveland and it’s fans and vow revenge for such outrageous treatment.
3. Play Browns (knowing full well the fan base would really, really prefer the Browns to attempt to limit your production)
4. Catch/run for 150+ yards, score 2-3 TD’s.
5. PROFIT!! YOU ARE NOW A SOLDIER!!!!111

This also applies in in theory with Indians/Cavs. Or any player that wasn’t originally drafted by the Browns but plays for a rival team and is generally hated by the fans for whatever reason.

Just out of curiosity, could you give an example of a former Brown who did this?

This has never happened. I think it was a joke?

I was wondering that as well.

With the low cailber of talent we have had on offense since 1999, it’s rare for a player to leave Cleveland and start somewhere else, let alone torch us on a return visit.

Agreed. Dude is talented and tough, we can’t dispute that. I think he’ll be the main focus on third downs. The only thing that may work for us is that our D shouldn’t have their hands full with anyone else in that receiver group.

If he had a different QB I would agree. he’ll have a solid game, but with freeman right now, I would be shocked if anyone in their passing game had a ‘big day’. maybe a big day for tampa but not a big day in general.

You’d think with as many linebackers as we kept on this team we’d find a couple who could cover a tight end just out of sheer dumb luck.

Excellent point.

It’s a fair point but K2 is not just any tight-end. I think he is likely the best pure pass-catching tight end in the league - look at all the other big names and compare the QBs K2 has had to deal with. It’s astounding how much he produced with some really, really bad QBs.

no offense, but isn’t passing to the TE a bit of a safety valve in some situations? Not sure the qb-ing really matters. There are good TE’s on great and mediocre teams.

let’s just bash his face in and call it a day.

It’s sad, but this made me laugh.

Ditto. But why not just try jamming the TE at the line of scrimmage, he counts as a lineman?

just take out all the lineman and demand that all 7 linebackers bracket the Tight end. Perhaps mangini’s 12 LB strategy has a method to its madness…

Heckertt makes the roster decisions.

Not to get all homer Illinois fan on you, but Michael Hoomanawanui is awesome.

Hopefully Rogers, Rubin, Benard can put enough quick pressure to eliminate most passing attacks from Tampa. I still have hope there is a pass rush somewhere in the bag of tricks.

Unfortunately, I don’t think Benard will play much if at all (injury). I’m hoping that Roth wakes up at some point, as he seemed to be nonexistent during the preseason.

We haven’t unleashed the hounds

Winslow has done a lot of maturing. I’m okay with him and if it were a home game I wonder what the cheering to booing ratio would be…

I’m holding out hope for the LBs and the ability for the defense to get to the QB. Preseason did not offer much, but we wipe the slate clean as the regular season starts. Besides, if we are going to ridicule the LBs we may as way say our offense will be rather potent with Jake putting up a 100+ QB rating.

For several reasons, including real life time constraints and the fact that there is no data from this year, I will not be doing a full Football Outsider-based-preview this week. I promise to do them Thursday/Friday in the future.

If I were to do one of those previews though, I would focus a lot on Winslow vs. the Browns defense. The Browns absolutely sucked stopping the TEs last year. And while key additions, like Gocong and Ward, could improve this, I see Winslow as a major threat.

Even with unproven and below-level talent around him, he managed to put up a DYAR of 143, 11th in the league for TEs. Per play, his DVOA was 10.5% (10.5% better than average and good for 17th in the league).

The Browns ranked dead last in stopping TEs, with a DVOA of 47.1% (remember, positive numbers for defense is bad—- the Browns were 47% worse than average at stopping TEs).

Chris pointed out that TEs looked pretty good against us in the preseason. Going back to last year remember Antonio Gates (167 Yds), Heath Miller (80 Yds, 1 TD), Brandon Pettigrew (73 Yds, 1 TD) and others success against us.

So, to answer Chris’s question… I think Winslow will have a huge game.

No way Kelsay! Cleveland Browns 2010. It’s a new Brown!!

God I feel like a 5 year old on Christmas eve. Is it 1:00pm Sunday yet?

I envy your excitement.

Yeah I just hope the team can keep me feeling this way through the whole season…

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