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Cleveland Browns 53-Man Roster Projection (Pre-Training Camp Edition)

Only 53 men can make the make the Cleveland Browns final roster, meaning a lot of players will be fighting for their jobs when training camp starts tomorrow. The first major batch of cuts aren't due for awhile, but this is a thread where you can go on record as listing who you believe will make the team's final roster and/or practice squad.

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Here is my first official roster projection for the 2010-2011 NFL season (there will probably be 1-2 more roster projections throughout training camp, reflecting how players are performing in training camp and the preseason):

Pos Final Roster Players Cut
QB Jake Delhomme
Seneca Wallace
Colt McCoy
Brett Ratliff
RB Jerome Harrison
Montario Hardesty
James Davis
Chris Jennings
FB Lawrence Vickers
Peyton Hillis

WR Mohamed Massaquoi
Brian Robiskie
Chansi Stuckey
Joshua Cribbs
Bobby Engram
Carlton Mitchell*
Syndric Steptoe
Jake Allen
Johnathan Haggerty*
TE Ben Watson
Evan Moore
Alex Smith
Robert Royal
Joel Gamble
OL Joe Thomas
Eric Steinbach
Alex Mack
Floyd Womack
Tony Pashos
Shawn Lauvao
Billy Yates
Scott Kooistra
John St. Clair
Paul Fanaika
Pat Murray*
Joel Reinders*
Casey Bender
DL Shaun Rogers
Ahtyba Rubin
Robaire Smith
Kenyon Coleman
Brian Schaefering
C.J. Mosley
Clifton Geathers
Titus Adams
Kwaku Danso*
Derreck Robinson
Swanson Miller
Brian Sanford
LB David Bowens
D'Qwell Jackson
Scott Fujita
Matt Roth
Chris Gocong
Kaluka Maiava
David Veikune
Marcus Benard
Blake Costanzo
Titus Brown*
Eric Barton
Jason Trusnik
S Abram Elam
T.J. Ward
Larry Asante
Mike Adams
Nick Sorensen
Raymond Ventrone
CB Eric Wright
Sheldon Brown
Joe Haden
Coye Francies
Brandon McDonald
Gerard Lawson
DeAngelo Smith
Chris Roberson
Chris Chancellor
ST Ryan Pontbriand
Phil Dawson
Dave Zastudil
Reggie Hodges

The above list contains 53 players that I kept, and 27 players that I cut. I placed six people (represented by an asterisk [*]) on the practice squad. League rules allow for eight players to be on the practice squad, so at the moment my projection is that we'd sign two players from a different team after they've cleared waivers.

Every year, I fill in each player's name either on the "roster" side or the "cut" side, without tallying whether or not I have surpassed the 53-player limit. Then, I count up the left side, and if I am over 53 players, I weigh my options and decide who the "tough" cuts are. For the second year in a row, my initial count came to 55 players, meaning I had to cut two players I initially wanted. Those players were Raymond Ventrone and Brandon McDonald:

General Roster Projection Notes

  • Brandon McDonald: I still think McDonald can contribute as a substitute defensive back, but right now I'd rather get a look at what Francies has to offer. McDonald has seen a good amount of time as a starter and has failed to shine, and I don't see the potential for him to "grow" any further.
  • Raymond Ventrone: It would've been nice to have him on special teams, and this one came down to Ventrone vs. Clifton Geathers. Geathers is a sixth-round pick and a young defensive lineman we can develop though, so it's important to try to hold on to him. Also, we added one special teams specialist (Chris Gocong) which means we can subtract one too.
  • Jason Trusnik: I made this cut in my initial run-through, but that doesn't mean it was any easier than the two cuts above. Trusnik was a versatile contributor last season, and if there's a way to keep him on the roster, I'd like for it to happen. I felt like picking Trusnk over David Veikune, but I need to be fair to last year's second-round pick to see how he can actually play when given a chance. If Trusnik stays, the likely candidate to leave is Marcus Benard, a young pass rusher.
  • Eric Barton: Everyone seems to be writing Barton off, including me. Wouldn't it be something if Mangini and company still have plans for him to start alongside Fujita or something?
  • Wide Receiver: The offense was pretty easy to decide, except when I got to the No. 5 receiver. It should be an even race between Engram, Mitchell, and Haggerty. Mitchell and Haggerty will probably end up taking Engram's spot in my next roster projection, as long as they start doing well in camp. I have a feeling that Delhomme might get a bit of work in with Engram though, and if the veteran pair look good together, the team might just keep him.
  • Robert Royal: It should be neck-and-neck between Royal and Alex Smith. Whoever can block better is the player I want, and I think it'll end up being a push in that category. The tiebreaker is at receiver, where Smith excels.
  • John St. Clair: He's on my roster right now, but only because I felt I had to keep two backup offensive tackles. Floyd Womack can play tackle too, so perhaps we can just waive St. Clair and take a chance on one of the other rookies. Ultimately, I think the Browns will scout the waiver wire when final cuts are made and will add a player they like over St. Clair.

Feel free to share your roster projections here, or some changes you would make to mine. Cleveland Browns training camp officially begins tomorrow, July 31!

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I’m leaning towards St Clair and Mosley getting cut and Trusnik and McDonald being kept. It’s the 3-4 so you can get by with keeping just 6 defensive linemen. I also wouldn’t be shocked if Sorensen is cut and Mitchell kept on the team.

I agree with St. Clair, but then I wonder if he’ll stay around because he started so many games last season, they must like something.

McDonald will make it over Francies is my projection.

With a new GM guy in, they usually like to change lots of players, so my guess is that there will be some guys that make the final roster that aren’t in camp for us right now….being that it will happen in the last days before and after that roster is made. I just cannot imagine Holmgren/Heckert is happy with this roster!

i agree on both, we will keep more than 4 CBs, McDonald stays and same with Trusnik

- James Davis
- Bobby Engram
+ Carlton Mitchell
+ Johnathan Haggerty
- Alex Smith
+ Robert Royal
- Coye Francies
+ Brandon McDonald
- Nick Sorensen
+ Ray Ventrone

  • we try to place Davis on the practice squad
  • I’m hoping someone does well enough at backup KR/PR to cut Lawson (Haggerty or Mitchell?)
  • Rogers’ suspension could create a temporary spot for a NT (Danso or Adams?)

you’re getting rid of Davis but not adding another back? we’re going into the season with just 2 half backs?

Hillis.

ah right, forgot about him.

They all reasonable; I could easily see these changes occurring in my next draft depending on the first couple weeks of camp.

These are toss-ups between very similar players:
Smith vs Royal, Francies vs McDonald, Sorensen vs Ventrone
as for Mitchell & Haggerty, I feel they’ll offer more on ST than Engram & Davis
plus, carrying an extra player at the weakest position on the team isn’t a bad thing

but you could basically flip a coin 5 times to determine these final spots

They are all reasonable…

Chris, don’t make me unleash the Grammar Police on you.

you dont keep 7 DL (in a 3-4) and only 4 CBs. Mosely is gone. One of the OL is gone. Trusnik and McDonald stay. All those LBs are important special teams players as well, Trusnik being one of them. Here is how I think the # of spots per position goes:

3 QB, 3 RB, 3 FB, 3TE, 8 OL, 5 WR…6 DL, 10 LB, 5 CB, 4 S…1 K, 1 P, 1 LS, (KR/PRCribbs)

My reason behind four cornerbacks and five safeties is that I expect Mike Adams to basically serve as a cornerback too. I really didn’t want to keep six defensive linemen either, but I was influenced by the number of fans who told me they thought Geathers would be scooped up if we tried to stash him on the practice squad.

Mosley is a Mangini guy, so I think they’d try to keep him too. We had a few players who were on the roster but rarely played last year (Veikune, Francies, Lawson), so it would happen with a seventh lineman (I’m aware that none of those three last year were linemen).

Do we keep Ratliff all through preseaon? Just for game snaps? Or will he be gone in the next couple weeks?

Carlton will not make it to the P. squad. Engram will be cut and he will stay. Trusnik won’t be cut either.

OFFENSE
QB Delhomme
QB Wallace
QB McCoy
RB Hardesty
RB Harrison
RB Davis
RB/FB Hillis
FB Vickers
WR Massaquoi
WR Robiskie
WR Mitchell
WR Engram
WR Stuckey
TE Watson
TE Moore
TE Smith
TE/OL Reinders
OL Thomas
OL Mack
OL Steinbach
OL Pashos
OL Lauvao
OL Womack
OL St. Clair

Defense
DL Rogers
DL Rubin
DL Smith
DL Schaefering
DL Geathers
DL Coleman
LB Bowens
LB Roth
LB Jackson
LB Fujita
LB Gocong
LB Trusnik
LB Veikune
LB Maiava
DB Brown
DB Haden
DB Wright
DB Ward
DB Elam
DB Adams
DB Asante
DB Francies

Specialists
K Dawson
P Zastudil
LS Pontbriand
KR/PR Cribbs
KR/PR Lawson
GN Costanza
GN Ventrone

The DBN Roster page doesn’t include Mosley or Benard. I’d expect Benard to make the team over Lawson or Ventrone.

The DBN roster page should not include Rogers, Mosley, and Francies since they are on the PUP. Haden isn’t listed because he’s not signed yet. Benard is listed on the page though; you must have overlooked him the first time around.

Interesting you have Joel Reinders listed as TE/OL, IF he could play TE, he can squeeze Alex Smith or Robert Royal out of a roster spot. More than likely he is going on the practice squad.

He played a couple of years of Basketball in college, so I’m assuming he has decent hands and ball skills. You can do a lot with a 6’-8" TE with decent hands in the redzone.

Yeah, we can keep it simple. Depth charts from starter down to a single back-up, first of all, to include specialist receivers. I´m not including 4-3 players, you have to burn that bridge.
Then maybe a few talents, and maybe reprocur guys that were cut in error.
So, here is mine (XY stands for not on the roster, yet):
QB Colt McCoy-Brett Ratliff
FB Peyton Hillis-Lawrence Vickers
RB Montario Hardesty-James Davis
LOT Joe Thomas-Paul Fanaika
LOG Shaun Lauvao-Pat Murray
C Eric Steinbach-XY
ROG Billy Yates-Floyd Womack
ROT Scott Kooistra-Tony Pashos
FL Bobby Engram-Chansi Stuckey
WR Mohamed Massaquoi-XY
TE Evan Moore-Alex Smith
longball WO Jake Allen
jumpball WO Carlton Mitchell
speedster WO XY
freaky FL XY
big TE Estandia
PR/KR Joshua Cribbs

DT Alex Mack-Chris Gocong (30 lbs)
NG Shaun Rogers-Matt Roth (30 lbs)
DT Ahtyba Rubin-Jason Trusnik (+30 lbs)
OLB David Vaikune-XY
ILB Eric Barton-XY
ILB Kaluka Maiava-XY
OLB Blake Costanzo-XY
FS Eric Wright (last chance)-Larry Asante
SS Abe Elam-T.J. Ward
CB XY-XY
CB XY-XY
That´s 38. If you fill the 12 XYs with players ala´ mooncamping, you have 3 slots left.

On a side note, as I warned against all year long last year, Rob Ryan has succeeded in assembling a credible (by conventional standards currently) 4-3 defense. Viz:
DE Austin English
DT Robaire Smith
DT Shaun Rogers
DE Swanson Miller
Passrush DE Jason Trusnik
OLB Chris Gocong
MLB Matt Roth
OLB Scott Fujita
Nickelback Joe Haden
FS Larry Asante
SS T.J. Ward
CB (cover corner) Sheldon Brown
CB (cover corner) Eric Wright

I’m sure on some planet your rosters is quite impressive. But your weak link is, this is EARTH.

Are you trying to create a roster to get the #1 pick next year and/or winless record. That has to be the worst 53 man roster ever. They would be lucky to win one game with that roster.

You must be new here.

Meet mooncamping. He has many…unique beliefs.

MIDAS attempted to produce a standard description of mooncamping for just such an occasion, but the resulting effort was deadlocked in committee, resulted in a brief membership schism, and was dropped just in time to prevent the destruction of the organization.

Suffice it to say, mooncamping is large; he contains multitudes.

There is no way Jason Trusnik gets cut. Probably one less O/L gets cut. James Davis, Bobby Engram, and Coye Francies get cut. To replace Brandon McDonald, Jason Trusnik, Ray Ventrone, and Carlton Mitchell.

Raymond Ventrone: It would’ve been nice to have him on special teams, and this one came down to Ventrone vs. Clifton Geathers. Geathers is a sixth-round pick and a young defensive lineman we can develop though, so it’s important to try to hold on to him. Also, we added one special teams specialist (Chris Gocong) which means we can subtract one too.

Great point, guys like Ray Ventrone, Nick Sorensen, and Blake Costanzo could get squeezed for a better talent.

I doubt Costanzo gets squeezed. He’s as good a special teamer as your likely to find.

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