Just like that, Cleveland Browns mini-camp is over. Besides seeing if our restricted free agents will sign over the next few days, or the type of contracts our rookie draft picks will receive, the next major event for the team won't come until the start of training camp some time in July.
What went on during the team's final mini-camp session? Let's take a look with our Day 3 recap...
CLEVELAND BROWNS MINI-CAMP NOTES (JUNE 12 - DAY 3)
- Mangini on Delhomme: As much as Eric Mangini has improved with his revelations to the media, he's still stubborn about naming a starting quarterback, isn't he? Although he gave Delhomme credit for the chemistry he is building with the team...
"I see the team buying into it and that’s the way it should be ," Mangini said. "It’s a partnership between the coaching staff and the quarterback. We give him the flexibility that puts us in the best position."
...Mangini said that both quarterbacks (Delhomme and Wallace) have done well and will get reps with the starters in training camp.
- Hardesty Takes a Break: After being praised by the head coaches this offseason, rookie RB Montario Hardesty did not participate on Friday after tweaking his ankle on Friday. Hardesty's injury is considered nothing -- Mangini stated that he held out many players merely to be cautious. Hardesty being out gave RB Jerome Harrison a few more reps.
- Other Player Status Updates: Sitting out along with Hardesty were both rookie safeties (T.J. Ward and Larry Asante), and LB Scott Fujita. CB Eric Wright, who had "tightness" previously, was back on the practice field. FB Peyton Hillis was in attendance finally, but he did not participate in practice. He reportedly lost 7-8 pounds, so he'll have some work to do heading into training camp.
- Another New Quarterback: This one comes from the Plain Dealer, highlighting another "gem" of an arm on the roster, this time on the defensive line:
Defensive lineman Brian Schaefering got the team off the field early by heaving a 60-yard pass through the narrow uprights. "He's got a gun,'' said Mangini. "Maybe we'll use him at the end of a game -- from the negative 20.''
- Moore Making Plays: Although he's had some injury issues, TE Evan Moore continues catching passes, coming away with a few red zone touchdowns Saturday from the arm of QB Brett Ratliff.
- Comparing the Kickers: The Akron Beacon Journal has a note on the kickers, highlighting the fact that Phil Dawson looked sharp (hitting a 54-yarder) while Shaun Suisham missed at least three kicks and had trouble getting distance. This isn't a kicking competition; Suisham will probably be dumped once Dawson ends his holdout in training camp.
- Minimizing the Turnovers: After throwing a ton of picks in Day 1 of mini-camp, the Browns quarterbacks reportedly did very well in keeping the turnovers down Saturday, failing to throw an interception. The closest opportunity reportedly came when Sheldon Brown dropped a Colt McCoy pass (yay, McCoy got mentioned!)
- Raw Practice Footage: Here it is, just a little over a minute in length!
- Note: I recommend reading the first link listed in the sources below -- it had a few other nuggets that I didn't mention (like a one-handed stab by Joshua Cribbs).
NEWS SOURCES FOR MINICAMP REPORT
That´s all fine and dandy, but if I have an expansion team, I´m still taking, due to lacking a starting designation, and in the NFL as it will be, benching starters will be punished:
G Eric Ghiaciuc
T Scott Kooistra
SS Abe Elam
TE Greg Estandia
WO Mohamed Massaquoi
TE Evan Moore
C Eric Steinbach
FS Eric Wright
G Billy Yates
QB Colt McCoy
If I had a 4-3, which I don´t, I´m also taking:
DE Austin English
DE Swanson Miller
mooncamping - June 13, 2010
T Tony Pashos, too.
As you can tell, that gives me an entire line up to my standards, an entire classic safety set up to my standards. A tall tight end, and a soft handed one. One of the most highly decorated QBs in the history of the NCAA. A bread and butter wide out. And two excellent 4-3 Defensive Ends to barter with.
mooncamping - June 13, 2010
The intention being: mooncamping would start these guys. And maybe some people in the FO and around town feel the same way. And then make a definate decision regarding these individual players, not to impede them in the future. If the designation is back-up however, they are fine ones, and hopefully for the forseeable future. Meaning adequate salaries and treatment. Resulting in and lotting you motivated starter replacement in case of injury, and roster spots filled in regards to your scouting endeavors, means less uncertainty in general.
mooncamping - June 14, 2010
It’s kind of sad when Mooncamping is commenting with the highest percentage in a weekly basis. What the hell everyone?
SpecialBrownie - June 13, 2010
Summer reading
TheRealSlimShady - June 13, 2010
What are you reading?
gahnki - June 13, 2010
I just finished Dracula, and am about 3/4 of the way through Snow Crash. I have no idea what TRSS is reading, but i thought I’d chime in.
notthatnoise - June 13, 2010
Snow Crash is a terrific novel…one of the more inventive books I’ve read.
drjeo - June 14, 2010
I’m spending my summer reading facebook comments on other people’s profiles.
BrownDawg1409 - June 15, 2010
as strange as that sounds, I’m guessing your going to come across some interesting ones
Kimble_79 - June 15, 2010
I am reading Truth in Comedy, Choke and am going to read another Palahniuk book or two
bross09 - June 14, 2010
What is everyone reading? I’m between books and could use some recommendations.
golanbatrac - June 14, 2010
A Confederacy of Dunces.
skipkirk - June 14, 2010
Another excellent novel, although I thought it was less humorous than billed.
drjeo - June 14, 2010
Just googled it, and it sounds interesting.
gahnki - June 14, 2010
Finished reading Malcom Gladwell’s Outliers and The Tipping Point not long ago. They’re absolute must-reads. Right now I’m reading Michael Crichton’s Next. Interesting but at times confusing since he’s got so many story lines going on. There doesn’t seem to be one or two main characters that the overall plot is based around.
dawgtribe - June 14, 2010
Right now I’m reading Gladwell’s book What the Dog Saw, which is a collection of his stories from The New Yorker. They’re all very interesting, like his other writings.
Buckeye Brad - June 17, 2010
I read WtDS about a month ago. The content is hit-and-miss depending upon each collection, but I really enjoyed the Enron story and the Creativity story.
gahnki - June 17, 2010
I just finished the Big Short which is awesome, and am resuming Crime and Punishment.
Roger Dorn - June 14, 2010
I’m not really a big poster around here, but I’m a bit of a Star Wars nerd and there are a few very good books if you’re into sci-fi. The Revenge of the Sith novelization is an awesome book and puts the movie in a whole new light. It also doesn’t require any more background than just watching the movies.
Legoman0721 - June 14, 2010 via mobile
I just realized a week or so ago that I have only seen the first Star Wars movie, and never Return of the Jedi or Empire Strikes Back.
Roger Dorn - June 14, 2010
I just realised that you’ve missed a huge part of movie history. Now how are you going to find out that Darth Vader was Luke Skywalker’s father?!
BrownDawg1409 - June 15, 2010
That’s probably why I was never in a rush to watch them, I know what happens already.
Roger Dorn - June 15, 2010
Oh, so I assume you also already knew that Rose Bud was the sled and Snape kills Dumbledore?
BrownDawg1409 - June 16, 2010
AAAAAHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I remember that I was in camp when the 6th book came out I was at camp and ONE PERSON had to get the book and blab.
bross09 - June 16, 2010
I knew about Rose Bud, but I have no idea what Snape or Dumbledore is so I am not worried about that one.
Roger Dorn - June 16, 2010
Man, RD, your geek quotient is really taking a beating here….
RelapsingDawgCatcher - June 17, 2010
I didn’t know what a snape or a dumbledoor was either.
golanbatrac - June 17, 2010
HE’S WHAT?!?!?!?
Bernie19Kosar - June 16, 2010
I read that a while back, and it is definitely a good read.
notthatnoise - June 14, 2010
I just got back from vacation in Aruba and read The Big Short on my trip, and I can agree that it was fantastic. It’s a must-read for anyone who wants to understand what created the financial crisis of the past few years, and Michael Lewis tells the story in a very interesting fashion, as always. I highly recommend it.
Buckeye Brad - June 17, 2010
any book by Brian Greene, but I particularly recommend “Fabric of the Cosmos.” It goes through the different physical theories of the universe in chronological order in terms that are easy for most people to understand. So not only do you get to learn the various theories being floated around by physicists today but you also get the historical perspective.
notthatnoise - June 14, 2010
of course, if you’ve never read it, To Kill a Mockingbird is one of my all-time favorite books.
notthatnoise - June 14, 2010
Mine too. Atticus Finch is who I hope to be as a father someday.
gahnki - June 14, 2010
Eh, maybe I’ll get to that when I finish Flatterland.
BrownDawg1409 - June 15, 2010
I started a book this morning, though I’ll file any and all recommendations away for future reference.
Crime and Punishment is as good as a book gets and the only one mentioned so far that I’ve read.
golanbatrac - June 14, 2010
Oh, and the last couple of books I’ve read are Time is the Simplest Thing by Clifford Simak ans The Secret Agent by Joseph Conrad. Recommend them both.
golanbatrac - June 14, 2010
I have read other Dostoevsky each of which I consider amongst my favorites. However, I had yet to read Crime and Punishment, so I figured it was time.
Roger Dorn - June 14, 2010
I need to read The Devils/The Possessed. If you haven’t read Notes from Underground, you should. It’s among his best, but rarely gets mentioned as such.
golanbatrac - June 14, 2010
I’ve never read Dostoevsky but one of these days I’ll get around to it. I like to mix my reading up by reading something modern and then a classic. I’ve got Moby Dick and Robinson Crusoe on the shelf waiting for me.
dawgtribe - June 15, 2010
Shutter Island. Pretty creepy
Bernie19Kosar - June 14, 2010
good book, good movie.
bross09 - June 14, 2010
A Dinner of Onions
Dawg Nuts - June 14, 2010
I’m rereading Huck Finn right now. The archetypal adventure of traveling down a river appeals to me very much.
gahnki - June 14, 2010
I want to re-read that now…
bross09 - June 14, 2010
I never got why they were riding the river down stream. Wasn’t the point to help the Widow’s slave escape? Why not head north like everyone else? I remember something about his family, but that’s about it.
BrownDawg1409 - June 15, 2010
its just a great story and its soo well written. its fiction not non-fiction so it doesn’t 100% have to make logical sense anyways; its just a story.
bross09 - June 15, 2010
Technically, it’s fictional non-fiction.
BrownDawg1409 - June 16, 2010
thats true. historical fiction.
I agree, it doesn’t make that much sense…I still love the book.
bross09 - June 16, 2010
I’m always a fan of anything written by Dean Koontz
Kimble_79 - June 14, 2010
I’m in the process of finishing up the Halo Series. Before you knock it for being a book based on a video game, they really give the authors creative freedom and the books turn out superb. It’s definetly an amazing sci – fi read if you’re interested.
SpecialBrownie - June 14, 2010
Ch 1. Master Chief shoots his gun.
Ch 2. Master Chief shoots his other gun.
BrownDawg1409 - June 15, 2010
Not even close. Most of the books aren’t even about him or the Halos.
SpecialBrownie - June 15, 2010
You’re obviously not a fan of VG Cats. :P
BrownDawg1409 - June 16, 2010
If you want some great Sci-Fi, try the foundation series. Asimov is brilliant…so is bradbury, and Heinlein too.
bross09 - June 15, 2010
I’ve got a book of Sci-Fi short stories from Asimov, Bradbury, and many other greats. I’ve reread the stories so many times, especially Asimov’s Little Lost Robot.
dawgtribe - June 15, 2010
thats a good one by asimov
bross09 - June 16, 2010
Has anyone read anything by David McCollough? I read 1776 and was blown away. I’ve got The Johnstown Flood and want to read his books on John Adams and the construction of the Brooklyn Bridge.
dawgtribe - June 15, 2010
You usually can’t go wrong with Pulitzer winners.
dawgtribe - June 15, 2010
i thought 1776 was fantastic. it read very easily and quickly. i get irritated by authors that try to sound super-intelligent just for the sake of being super-intelligent. 1776 didn’t do that, despite the complexity of some of the issues involved. it just told me a story. good stuff.
Dawg Nuts - June 15, 2010
I have always been a fan of him when it came to history books. I really want to read that one called “american lion” (though not by him) that came out within the last year about Andrew Jackson
bross09 - June 16, 2010
I’ve never read them, but my dad, a major history buff, says they are better than a normal pop-history but aren’t really that great as far as giving the whole story, and at times ignore major contributing factors to events.
again, I have no idea how true that is, but I’m inclined to take his word for it.
notthatnoise - June 16, 2010
that oftentimes does happen with some of the more prolific history authors who crank history books out almost like they are Stephen King, especially Mcullough. they don’t tell completely the whole story but give a good “pop-history” which still isn’t bad. I like guys who have written a lot but only on or two books that went very mainstream and became a big bestseller and popular…they generally don’t write as much “pop history”
bross09 - June 16, 2010
Ever read The Devil in the White City by Erik Larsen? Terrific book.
golanbatrac - June 16, 2010
Looked it up, and it sounds excellent.
gahnki - June 16, 2010
one of the most enjoyable books i had to read in high school. very interesting book.
notthatnoise - June 16, 2010
Try The Battle of Brooklyn by John Gallagher. I’m don’t think it was a best seller, but definitely a good read – if you like history.
JustBob - June 16, 2010
A Separate Piece ( I think thats what its called)
TheRealSlimShady - June 14, 2010
One of my favorites.
gahnki - June 14, 2010
Not meaning to offend anyone, but I strongly dislike books.
TheRealSlimShady - June 14, 2010
I think everyone in school dislikes books. I certainly did.
golanbatrac - June 14, 2010
I suppose I’m a little different then as I’ve always enjoyed books. But a love of literature definitely grows as you grow. When you are younger, literature is just stories; when you grow older, literature is ideas.
gahnki - June 14, 2010
Agree, though I might have taken to books a lot earlier had the books we were assigned been better than My Antonia and The Scarlet Letter. It’s almost like the curriculum was designed to make you hate books.
golanbatrac - June 14, 2010
My Jr. year English teacher tried to make me read T.S.L. Wasn’t about to happen, no f – ing way.
SpecialBrownie - June 14, 2010
ha! yeah.
I loved 11th grade english for me.
-All the Kings Men (wordy but a great read)
-Pride and Prejudice
-The Theban Plays by Sophocles (Oedipus Rex, Oedipus at colonus, and Antigone)
-Macbeth
-Invisible Man (tough read but interesting)
-A Tale of Two Cities (maybe my all time favorite)
I would hate to read TS elliot
bross09 - June 14, 2010
Everyone I know says Pride and Prejudice is by far the worst book ever written.
TheRealSlimShady - June 15, 2010
its actually a good book…even though its kinda girly. Very good read…better than anything the Bronte’s ever wrote or better than any other Jane Austen. Probably the weakest we read though…
bross09 - June 16, 2010
Wuthering Heights is superb.
golanbatrac - June 16, 2010
I have not read that one…I didn’t hear it was that good.
bross09 - June 16, 2010
You’ve got to want to read that one. The Heathcliff/Linton/Earnshaw family tree is puzzling.
gahnki - June 16, 2010
Everyone I know loved it. except for the people who hate reading…
notthatnoise - June 16, 2010
My daughters have been trying to get me to read it only so that I can then really enjoy Pride and Prejudice and Zombies.
JustBob - June 16, 2010
In the words of Mark Twain, “Classics are books nobody wants to read.”
BrownDawg1409 - June 15, 2010
I disliked books until about a year after college.
Roger Dorn - June 14, 2010
Same. It wasn’t until I could read what I wanted to read that I started devouring books one after the other.
golanbatrac - June 14, 2010
I agree with this. nobody likes being forced to read something. reading a book you like is great, but being forced to read something you have no interest in is torture.
notthatnoise - June 15, 2010
I agree…although my 11th grade English teacher was awesome and the books we had to read were great anyways. I only hated the really crappy books I was forced to read in school (like great expectations) and some of the books we read that year I had been meaning to read anyways.
bross09 - June 15, 2010
“It’s only work if someone makes you do it” – Calvin (in Calvin and Hobbes of course).
skipkirk - June 15, 2010
I have three Calvin and Hobbes compilations upstairs right now.
gahnki - June 15, 2010
I’m from the hometown of Bill Waterson, and had “Miss Wormwood” as a substitute teacher many times. Sadly, she passed away a couple years ago.
notthatnoise - June 16, 2010
That’s pretty cool- was she based upon the person, or was she actually named Miss Wormwood?
gahnki - June 16, 2010
her real name was Ruth Maus, and she used to be a full time teacher when Waterson went to school, but by the time I rolled around she was a sub.
notthatnoise - June 16, 2010
That is awesome.
C&H is by far my favorite. Spaceman Spiff is still my favorite Halloween costume.
Bernie19Kosar - June 16, 2010
There’s an independant book store in town called Fireside, and Waterson used to go in, find a C&H book, sign it, and put it back on the shelf. unfortunately I don’t think he does it any more because it attracts too much attention.
notthatnoise - June 17, 2010
Yup. I have every C&H compilation book published. I used to read them before I went to bed in junior high school — my parents said they could hear my down in my room laughing at night.
Buckeye Brad - June 17, 2010
then you will recognize this. this is on the back cover of essential calvin and hobbes, its a drawing of my hometown.
notthatnoise - June 17, 2010
What’s your hometown?
Buckeye Brad - June 17, 2010
Chagrin Falls maybe?
bross09 - June 18, 2010
Bross got it, Chagrin Falls
notthatnoise - June 18, 2010
yeah. I just knew that was where waterson was from.
bross09 - June 20, 2010
Do you have The Complete Calvin and Hobbes?
It’s got stuff that the paperback collections don’t have.
golanbatrac - June 17, 2010
No I do not. What extra stuff does it have?
Buckeye Brad - June 17, 2010
I just double checked, and it depends on what collected editions you have. If you have the paperback Treasury Editions (Essential, Authoritative and Indispensible) you have everything, I think. If you have the earlier collections you’re missing all of the extras added to the Treasury Editions and, subsequently, to the Complete box set.
golanbatrac - June 17, 2010
I think people disliked being made to read…I liked reading much more own my own.
bross09 - June 14, 2010
moon’s post – again.
JustBob - June 14, 2010
Summer of ’49 by David Halberstam
Haven’t really read a good new football book since The GM a year or two ago.
Mike Beckwith - June 15, 2010
A lot of the posts that have been going up really aren’t comment-friendly posts, especially since mini-camp usually means nothing compared to training camp in the grand scheme of things. We’re maintaining the same traffic levels in June as usual (I check the hit counter daily).
Chris Pokorny - June 13, 2010
I’m working on a few posts. Starting with a few more general offensive strategy posts, on to specific plays we ran with success, then to trying to figure out if Daboll knew what he was doing in the passing game. Still looking for my footage of college games for Colt and Haden’s film.
rufio - June 15, 2010
The reference to the Cribbs catch made me wonder how much his lack of production at WR was due to QB play? Good QBs can make many mediocre WRs look decent. Can Jake make a difference for our WR corps and can he play a better role in setting up the wildcat and other trick plays?
Someone made a comment a while back that Jake’s surgery needed a full year recovery. I’ve got my fingers crossed…
Spidey - June 13, 2010 via mobile
Well if the above photo is any indication. His ability to cross his arms might indicate he has superior skill in relation to the photo that shows DA and BQ just holding their arms out.
Suppa Bob - June 14, 2010
He just “swung and missed” the QB group hug that DA and BQ were readying themselves for is all.
Nuclear Power - June 14, 2010
From what I have seen so far, our QBs were not good last year (surprise!)
But also, Cribbs wasn’t that good of a WR. I think we can use him more effectively in the “normal” offense, but they will have to get creative to keep defenses honest (i.e. when Cribbs comes in the game, the defense can’t know we are just going to throw to him in the flat…or anything similar to that).
rufio - June 15, 2010
I am reading alot of Penthouse, and Penthouse Letters Lately
I have an appointment with an Orthopedic doc, to help me find out why my right hand is now a claw.
We need real Cheerleaders! Barely dressed Cheerleaders.
champion64 - June 14, 2010
Um, no we don’t.
SpecialBrownie - June 14, 2010
as we’ve been over before, i believe professional cheerleaders are barely more than strippers who keep their clothes on. no thanks.
notthatnoise - June 14, 2010
not that there’s anything wrong with that.
drjeo - June 14, 2010
yeah, and we also need to cut jake delhomme…
Dawg Nuts - June 14, 2010
Yeah I agree all the leadership he has shown and the chemistry he is building with the young receivers we don’t need any of that. Lets cut all the older has beens we can suffer the ups and downs of a young team. Yay
Suppa Bob - June 15, 2010
sarcasm, directed at champion64. i think delhomme will be great for this team, in more ways than one.
Dawg Nuts - June 15, 2010
I wouldn’t say he would be great, though I don’t believe its out of the question. I think he’ll be decent and there aren’t better options out there.
bross09 - June 15, 2010
In favor of starting…
rufio - June 15, 2010
?
rufio - June 15, 2010
i was being sarcastic. champion64 said that in another post, and i find it to be completely ridiculous, just like this cheerleader comment.
Dawg Nuts - June 15, 2010
Ah yes, thank you. I did not get it across multiple sets of comments. In fact, I thought I had remembered you liking Delhomme or at least being OK with him.
rufio - June 15, 2010
yeah, i think overall he’ll be very good for this team. his play may not be pro bowl level, but i think he’ll be solid, and certainly better than last year’s mess. more importantly, i think his attitude and veteran influence will be great, considering we have a lot of youngsters. i’m just not getting all of the doom and gloom people are projecting from him. no one is saying he’s the future of the franchise, he’s just someone decent to help get us over the hump.
even if none of this comes true, for anyone to say he should be cut at this point is just ridiculous and senseless.
Dawg Nuts - June 15, 2010
Look, Delhomme was let go because of his play in Carolina. Even though it removes his salary for this uncapped year, the Panthers are still on the hook for over 12 million dollars to Delhomme. He was out played by an UNDRAFTED quarterback who was let go from Dallas. Matt Moore. Delhomme was never steady, he has always had ups and downs with far more offensive weapons in Carolina. To be under the delusion Delhomme will do anything more than be average at best is a FAN with rose colored glasses on. AND it is just my opinion. I WANT THE BROWNS TO WIN AS MUCH AS ANYONE. They had to get out from under Brady Quinn. Quinn dropped in the draft because he could not get the ball deep to the receivers. The Browns drafted Quinn out of need even though he was not going to be a great quarterback, but they took a shot. Delhomme was brought in and so was Seneca Wallace but in my opinion the Browns are not much better in the quarterback position at the begininng of this year. THIS IS WHY THE BROWNS OFFERED a TON for Bradford. I actually hope you are right and I am wrong and Delhomme is great. Honestly I do
champion64 - June 15, 2010
i assume you were replying to me. i have no problem with that explanation and can appreciate that. you have to see that it would be ridiculous for the team to cut him though, don’t you?
i truly believe what i said above, i think he’ll be goood for us in more than one way; and that too is just an opinion. lets call a truce on this battle.
Dawg Nuts - June 15, 2010
See also: Warner, Kurt; Collins, Kerry; etc… Just because a player is released doesn’t necessarily mean they’re done.
Average at best would be a marked improvement over any QB we’ve had since expansion.
What’s that they say about opinions and assholes…?
DRRRRRRRRR.
Enough with the gay jokes already.
What does this have to do with Delhomme? Phil Savage was an awful GM. We know this. Move on.
Delhomme + Wallace + McCoy >>>>> Anderson + Quinn + Ratliffe
We now have a veteran, an experienced backup, and a potential quarterback of the future on the roster. How is that not better than what we had last year?
Link?
Did anyone say he was going to be great?
golanbatrac - June 15, 2010
Beautiful.
SpecialBrownie - June 15, 2010
thank you, I’m glad you did this so I don’t have to.
notthatnoise - June 16, 2010
Uh, bud? Brady through the ball deep a number of occasions. AND WE KNOW DELHOMME WILL BE AVERAGE. We haven’t had an average QB since Couch and maybe even thats a stretch.
SpecialBrownie - June 15, 2010
Brady dropped in the draft because of his erratic accuracy and a bunch of teams didn’t need to spend 1st round picks on QBs.
rufio - June 16, 2010
Yuhp. The kid still could bomb it though
SpecialBrownie - June 16, 2010
Delhomme is a boob. You will clamour for his benching, then pretend you didn’t like him the whole time. Holmgren said he offered at the out most limit of what he could but the Rams were set on drafting Bradford. He called the Rams 20 minutes before the draft. (NFL.COM check it out) DOES that sound like a resounding vote of confidence for Jake? I stick to my rational opinion Delhomme is a waste and will prove to be a over the hill quarterback. If you think McCoy who is closer to 5’11" then 6’1" is going to be a quality quarteback you are fooling yourself. Can you say Ty Detmer? Oh wait we can start Seneca Wallace (who is 5’11") and in the league for his 8th year and has average 80 pass attempts a year, and I am sure he will shine. Who is next Gary Coleman? Oh wait he is dead.
champion64 - June 15, 2010
Mate, seriously, click the reply button to reply to individual comments (I assume you’re replying to golan here).
Anyway, yeah we did call up the Rams. But even then if you think Bradford was gunna start this season you’re hugely mistaken.
People here are divided over Delhomme. Some think he could be solid, some think he’s pants. I have the latter feeling too. Like you.
But like everyone is saying, it’s irrational to keep posting here asking for him to be cut. It’s also annoying telling everyone he sucks over and over.
skipkirk - June 15, 2010
I like boobs.
Link?
Shitcan the strawmen, bub. For the record, here’s what Holmgren has had to say about Delhomme and the status of the quarterbacks:
“The consensus was we desperately needed a leader,” said Holmgren. “After talking to Jake, I knew that he was the guy who could change the attitude in the building.”
“We talked about what happened last season, and it was an awful year for him. But I believe it’s an aberration. He never came close to being that bad in any other season.”
Holmgren compares Wallace to a relief pitcher. “He can get ready to go in quick. He doesn’t need a lot of reps in practice. He’s a tough guy, an accurate passer, much better than people think. He can beat you running the ball.”
Holmgren said the final decision to trade Quinn, cut Anderson and to start Delhomme “is all on me.” He said both Delhomme and Wallace “are quarterbacks who can help you win the game, if you need it. You don’t just hope they don’t make a mistake. They can make some plays.”
Link.
There’s not a single person here who has said anything that goes above and beyond what Holmgren says here. No unbridled optimism to be found. I don’t even know who it is you’re arguing with.
And I’ll stick to my rational opinion that you’re a moron.
Who said McCoy is going to be a quality quarterback? No one. He has potential. That’s all that’s been said about McCoy. Keep knockin’ down those strawmen, goober.
Ty Detmer.
Did you just call Seneca Wallace a shine? Jesus Christ. I guess it’s true that stupid and racist go hand in hand.
I’ll bet you ten bucks that his rotting corpse could beat you at Boggle.
golanbatrac - June 15, 2010
why so defensive over Delhomme? I laugh at your comments, especially the shine remark.
champion64 - June 15, 2010
Haha funny, cuz everyone laughs at you! Haha.
SpecialBrownie - June 15, 2010
I agree with him. It is funny to think of Delhomme as solid at this point in his career. That would mean he is in the same group as QBs like E Manning, Kolb, Young, Palmer, Flacco, etc.
TheRealSlimShady - June 15, 2010
I see a the quarterback of the future coming from next year’s draft.
champion64 - June 15, 2010
sorry hotshot, you agreeing doesn’t really bolster his case.
Dawg Nuts - June 15, 2010
Kolb has yet to do anything in the league, and Vince Young is a year removed from sitting the bench while another old, washed up quarterback led the Titans to a 13-3 record. if they’re considered solid, then we probably should have kept DA (who has done more than both combined in the league)
golanbatrac - June 15, 2010
Last year VY was solid-pretty good when he came in, which is the reason the Titans finished well.
Kolb showed promise in the couple games he played in.
Delhomme was terrible last year.
I’d bet anything that Kolb and / or Young does better than Delhomme.
TheRealSlimShady - June 15, 2010
I doubt VY can ever stay a reliable passer, the man came in at half the year and tossed the ball. Okay? Let me see a full season of him actually trying.
He’ll run to his mommy, just like he did on the field two seasons ago.
SpecialBrownie - June 15, 2010
so did Jerome Harrison and Matt Roth but they aren’t THIS overrated because of some potental (because of pure physical ability).
bross09 - June 16, 2010
Most people here say Harrison is a solid RB.
TheRealSlimShady - June 16, 2010
most people think he is decent, but he is not in the class of comparable RB talent that he put VY in. VY is definitely overrated and there has to be some question about his long term ability to perform, just like people here have expressed some doubt if harrison can be a feature back or if Roth can get 8-9 sacks next year.
bross09 - June 17, 2010
Well I’m just basing it off me thinking he will be solid next year. The Titans were much better when he took over.
TheRealSlimShady - June 17, 2010
and the browns were better with Quinn than with DA last year…I am not going to base my opinion on a guy on a few good games and his team playing well.
bross09 - June 17, 2010
I’d much rather have mediocre Delhomme than Vince “I get in fights on tape outside strip clubs” Young
notthatnoise - June 16, 2010
It was in the club…
SpecialBrownie - June 16, 2010
I agree 100%.
I would want nothing to do with VY.
Bernie19Kosar - June 16, 2010
It is far from gauranteed that he is mediocre.
TheRealSlimShady - June 16, 2010
but it is guaranteed VY got in a fight at a strip club.
notthatnoise - June 17, 2010
That doesn’t affect him as a player.
TheRealSlimShady - June 17, 2010
suspensions affect players, ask roethlesberger.
notthatnoise - June 17, 2010
It absolutely does.
rufio - June 18, 2010
I’m disappointed that’s the best you can do.
TheRealSlimShady - June 17, 2010
I’m disappointed you think VY has proven more than Jake Delhomme
notthatnoise - June 17, 2010
I think that last year Delhomme proved he isn’t good anymore.
TheRealSlimShady - June 17, 2010
I think last year VY proved virtually nothing.
bross09 - June 18, 2010
yeah, and those three or four bad years brett favre had proved he was no good too, right?
notthatnoise - June 18, 2010
If you call those ‘bad years’, I’d love to see what you call Delhomme’s year
TheRealSlimShady - June 20, 2010
obviously, a bad year for favre is not a bad year for delhomme, just like a bad year from Peyton Manning wouldn’t be the same as a bad year for Jeff Garcia.
compared to how good they were as players when they were good, they were similarly bad years.
bross09 - June 20, 2010
2005: 6.4 YPA, 20TD 29INT
everyone was convinced he was done. the next year he had 18TD and 18INT with 6.3 YPA and 56% completions.
sure, that not too terrible, but it is pretty bad.
notthatnoise - June 21, 2010
formatting error, only the too is supposed to be italisized.
notthatnoise - June 21, 2010
actually now that I look at it, about the only difference between Delhomme’s 2009 and Favre’s 2006 is that Jake threw less TDs, which could be expected with that backfield.
notthatnoise - June 21, 2010
If Delhomme plays like he did 2 years ago, he will be better than Young and Flacco, and probably Palmer.
He won’t play like he did 2 years ago, but are you honestly thinking he can’t approach Flacco? Without the obvious youth and hope of improvement, of course.
Delhomme can teach the youngsters, not throw picks, and complete over 55% of his passes. I’ll settle for that this year.
rufio - June 16, 2010
Look at Delhomme interceptions for the past two FULL seasons and he has 30 interceptions to only 23 Touchdowns. Yeah I think we should let the rookies learn that. Nice post moron. It is the player he is now. HE BLOWS!
champion64 - June 16, 2010
He had 15 TDs and 12 INTs in 2008 and an 84.7 rating. I’ll take that this year.
Adding a bad season to a good season doesn’t make both seasons bad.
The only rookie we have that would be learning to throw interceptions is McCoy, and you’re already convinced that McCoy is no better than Ty Detmer, so what’s it to you.
golanbatrac - June 16, 2010
Moron?
Seriously, grow up.
Bernie19Kosar - June 16, 2010
You are calling me a moron, now?
Watch yourself.
rufio - June 16, 2010
Yes! This is good, because now we have a reason to block him
SpecialBrownie - June 16, 2010
Cleveland.com awaits!
RelapsingDawgCatcher - June 16, 2010
That’s what everyone said last year.
Plus I would take Flacco’s 09 over Jake’s 08
TheRealSlimShady - June 16, 2010
I had faith in DA last year? Really? Man, that was a bad move on my part if true.
I think the situations are obviously different: Delhomme has been a solid-to-very good (but not elite) QB for a good chunk of his career, with one awful year. DA has been a very good QB one year and pretty bad for the rest of his career.
Flacco is just not a great QB yet. But he doesn’t have to be to win.
rufio - June 17, 2010
Not you, but there were plenty of people around here. I’m just saying that you can’t just always expect someone to come back from a down year
TheRealSlimShady - June 17, 2010
I would’ve been in Rufio’s arena if I was on here then. I have never been a huge DA fan to begin with.
bross09 - June 17, 2010
That’s just the thing: DA never had a “down year”, his whole career is “down”. If anything, he came back down from an “up year”.
Delhomme has been pretty consistently an average QB or better, and for only one year has he approached DA-level terribleness.
Young will fall on his face because he just doesn’t get it, Palmer has not been very good the past few years, putting up large numbers because he has to be a large part of the volume of the offense, and Flacco is pretty efficient but looks good because he has one of the league’s best rushing attacks. He doesn’t have to throw much, and when he does he has the benefit of the defense having to respect his awesome running game.
Its not that Delhomme will be awesome, its that the guys you listed aren’t great.
rufio - June 17, 2010
Maybe if Delhomme’s down year came in the middle of his career I would say he can recover, but he is almost done.
TheRealSlimShady - June 17, 2010
he hasn’t had any kind of physical decline yet, there’s no reason he doesn’t have a few decent years left.
notthatnoise - June 17, 2010
He was trying to force the ball when he shouldn’t have a lot and it seems his arm strength has declined.
TheRealSlimShady - June 17, 2010
If you watch players who have ACL surgery, they don’t get back to full speed for a year and a half.
If you watch players who have TJ surgery…
The problem was that Delhomme was trying to force the ball, which is something he will have to rebound from this year. To think that he can’t is pretty absurd.
rufio - June 18, 2010
Not everyone recovers from TJ surgery
TheRealSlimShady - June 20, 2010
yes. not everyone recovers from even simple surgeries. nothing is 100%, especially in medicine. It is not guaranteed that Delhomme will fully recover, but the odds are pretty good…especially with modern medicine.
bross09 - June 20, 2010
Jeff Garcia had a down year at 35 and then had a couple really good seasons with some fairly bland offenses…not saying that you should count on that turn around but there is a precedent for people thinking it can happen.
bross09 - June 18, 2010
Garcia? Don’t think I like him, sounds skittish.
Villeslgr - June 21, 2010
who wouldn’t have been behind that line?
notthatnoise - June 21, 2010
exactly…garcia started to turn into the veteran on crap teams with no protection.
bross09 - June 21, 2010
Show me exactly where I’m being ‘defensive over Delhomme’.
golanbatrac - June 15, 2010
he doesn’t get it golan, he’ll never get it. i thought he and i had come to an understanding but then he goes off on another rant.
i think at one point i used the word “great” with delhomme, but also said it would be for a number of reasons, not just on field performance.
wonderful replies though. well played.
Dawg Nuts - June 15, 2010
Yeah, he doesn’t get it and he’ll never get it. Even so, I’m looking forward to kicking him around a bit.
golanbatrac - June 15, 2010
It’s quite fun, the dude doesn’t know when to quit. It’s like we’re on an episode of Bully Beatdown.
SpecialBrownie - June 15, 2010
I love that show, but find the host annoying.
notthatnoise - June 16, 2010
He has his moments.
SpecialBrownie - June 16, 2010
No he is terrible.
TheRealSlimShady - June 16, 2010
I prefer Jeff Garcia. Short QB, Average arm, Good mobility and a ballsy player on the field.
bross09 - June 16, 2010
Colt McCoy was measured as 6-1 at the combine. thats the most accurate measurement of a football player you will ever get.
notthatnoise - June 16, 2010
McCoy is a legit 6’1". He was measured at the combine along with every other player there and came in at 6 feet, 1 and 1/8ths inches. Reports from the PD reporters have him looking like he is 6’1" as well, if scientific measurement is not your thing.
Stop spouting nonsense and learn to use the reply button.
rufio - June 16, 2010
McCoy will never be any better than a Ty Detmer.
champion64 - June 16, 2010
Ty Detmer wasn’t bad for a 9th round pick playing on bad teams
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/D/DetmTy00.htm
notthatnoise - June 16, 2010
Probably.
What is your point?
Bernie19Kosar - June 16, 2010
Well he’s still 6’1".
rufio - June 16, 2010
Man, I love completely unsupported statements.
RelapsingDawgCatcher - June 16, 2010
I think what champignon64 is trying to say is that he thinks “That ain’t no Carson Palmer back there.” Or he’s just here to spam and be abusive. I’m not sure.
JustBob - June 16, 2010
Maybe he just wants to brag for being the only guy in the MGD 64 chug contest. His name is deceiving; he lost.
SpecialBrownie - June 16, 2010
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