Dawgs By Nature

Three picks have happened and they are talking to Pete Carroll?

Wootton would be nice.

wherd golden tate go? i missed it

Seahawks

tate went to seahawks

anyone pick myron rolle yet?

bout to comment on this – can anyone make a compelling case for tj ward over myron rolle?!?!

if i remember right, i think rolle ended up having some really bad 40 times? i know that shouldnt judge how good a guy is, but you know how it is at the combine

Tom Heckert.

Eric Mangini.

Mike Holmgren.

Terike Hoheini

Mitoric.

that is better than mine. i will use this in the future.

Follows the same pattern as Hoheini.

Either way, it sounds like our front office is run by a gay Japanese magician.

i would be ok with a magician running things.

especially a gay japanese one!

tj ward is a football player, myron rolle dabbles in it from time to time between other pursuits.

+100

Cmon man, that’s unnecessary.

i was almost entirely joking. I like Myron Rolle, but from what little i’ve heard about either i like ward better.

Of course Ward is better, he’s wearing Orange and Brown.

haha yeah, obviously!

He is flat out better from what i can tell. Really this guy looks a lot better than people had him. I think he could be a really nice pick.

Don’t think so.

I wonder if McCoy slides to the 83 pick the Browns will pass again?

Grockcubs - April 23, 2010 reply

yes. holmgren already said if they go qb it’ll be later rounds. looks like franchise qb will come next year

i dont think they like him much. if they did they would have gotten him with that trade

I think they’ll take him if he slides that far.

Don’t see why the Browns would pick McCoy at 83 when they could have had him without a trade at 71. They must not think he has the potential.

I think they would look at receiver soon however.

Grockcubs - April 23, 2010 reply

Someone mentioned in the other thread that Heckert said no WRs

I doubt we’ll see a WR at this point. I can’t see that anyone we’d pick up now at WR would be obviously better than what we have right now.

Wouldn’t mind jacoby ford

oh comeon. we need a burner to open up the field for the other guys. with out the field streached nothing happens. im thinking that guy from OU

The guys that can run AND run a decent route are long gone.

i dont care how he runs a route. that can be tought. cant teach speed

Hello Al Davis.

im not al davis. al davis is a crazy old man. im just saying we have, dare i say, possession receivers, but not a star

how about

Everson Griffen?

GoBrowns80 - April 23, 2010 reply

i was thinkin the same thing. but i think he’ll be gone before our next pick

damn. that would be nice

GoBrowns80 - April 23, 2010 reply

if he was there

GoBrowns80 - April 23, 2010 reply

I cant watch – either Holmgren gave Mangini way too much influence or Heckert did not have enough time to meld with the scouting staff. These moves are just as bad as last year.

yes that terrible draft we had last year… wait, no, i actually don’t think that happened.

yes that terrible draft we had last year….

sucked

Sigh.

Double sigh.

We started with the no 5 overall and ended up with a nice center. 3 2nd rounders zilch – that was nice. Go drink your kool aid

a nice center, a staring DT, a starting S, a backup QB, a quality #2 maybe even #1 WR, and a project LB. I’ll admit Robi hasn’t shown much, but receivers are notorious for taking a long time to develop.

You mean a great C, a mediocre DT, a mediocre S that sucks in coverage, a mediocre #2 WR, a bust WR, a bad MLB, and a bust DE,

Massaquoi was a good #2 last year as a rookie, even if you think he’s hit his ceiling, its better than mediocre.

you can’t call anyone a bust after one year.

that MLB played pretty well for us.

you can’t call anyone a bust after one year.

he can.

Sorry Dude - My Remark Was Uncalled For

Just frustrated and had high hopes for the draft. I just don’t like the positions, injury history, and speed of TJ Ward. Heckert knows more than me though anyway.

Ward’s speed is fine. Timed, at least.

Timed 4.54 – 4.68. Taylor Mays was quite a bit faster and had a better college career.

thats plenty fast for a safety, and while Taylor Mays is more physically gifted, he’s not as good of a football player.

He ran 4.48 at his pro day.

Timed 4.46-4.49.

And Mays’ college career was really not good.

check this site out if you are trying to talk yourself into TJ Ward

Cool!

The comparison to Polamalu is not convincing, but Ward can be a good player.

But nothing is going to get rid of the injury concerns except him not being injured in the NFL.

Agree.

I just think that Major Wright and Morgan Burnett would have been better free safeties. Maybe even Chad Jones and Taylor Mays

what has taylor mays done in college? nothing? he doesn’t have a nose for the ball or instincts like ward.

I never saw a time anywhere near 4.68. He ran a 4.54 at the combine (the lowest time on your spectrum) than a 4.48 at his pro day. that isn’t berry, thomas or mays speed but thats right up there with Nate Allen and Chad Jones.

I wouldn’t say mays had a better college career. he had 3 interceptions in his freshman year and thats about it.

for a fast guy, when blitzing, mays had trouble getting to the QB. He made a lot of tackles in his career but a lot of those were assisted tackles Ward was much better at bringing the guy down on intial contact instead of needing multiple players.

mays isn’t a playmaker at all (one fumble forced, no sacks, 2 INTs in the last 3 years) compared to Ward ( 6 forced fumbles, 1 sack, 2 QB hurries, 2 INTs and 8 TFLs).

mays is a pure height/weight/speed guy with a midround tape. Ward is a guy with a late first round tape (would be higher with more INTs) butr not great speed and questionable durability.

Dude, it’s been ONE YEAR. Wide receivers take time to develop. You can’t judge a draft after one year.

+1

+ Joe Thomas

i sure wish we could all figure out what the deal with robiskie is? wonder if it has something to do with them firing his dad?

wonder if it has something to do with them firing his dad?

It really shouldn’t.

Why would they take him in the first place then?

if i remember right, his dad was still with the team when they drafted him? am i wrong on that?

yeah, his dad’s been in miami for a few years now.

ah, my mistake. i was thinking he was on our scout team when we drafted him

Its all good. I still just don’t think Robi would sulk because they fired his dad.

well, i know i wouldnt want to work for anyone that fired my dad, haha. but thats just me

Atlanta, too, I thought.

ah you might be right. i know he originally went to miami

He was productive at Ohio State despite non-awesome QBs, no red flags came up in terms of timed speed/measurements, he got over the top of several NFL CBs, he had great hands, and he exemplifies the things Mangini likes (character, hard work, football means something to them, etc.)

The biggest concern was his ability to make cuts and separate, which is probably why he didn’t get on the field. I also suspect OSU’s passing offense is really really simple, which would be a good reason he didn’t digest the playbook last year.

yeah. I have a feeling it was maybe just adjusting to the NFL playbook. I feel good about him though.

Draft was good last year.

Thaddeus Gibson: Projection?

Please no projections.

What’s wrong with wanting to know where people think he might fall?

lol, I misread that. Interpreted as “project to OLB in 3-4”

Please, project away on when he will be drafted :)

Speaking of Thad…

GAHNKI!!!!!

don’t you have a couple bets you lost that people are still waiting to collect on?

rec.

Only players left on the DBN Big Board:

21. Colt McCoy, QB, Texas
39. Thaddeus Gibson, DE/OLB, Ohio St.
45. Everson Griffen, DE/OLB, USC

Damnitt I knew I forgot something today!

46-50 would be Gerhart, Norwood, Ducasse, Taylor Price, and Asamoah

I took a peak at the 46-50 spots, but I don’t know if 12 votes is conclusive enough to include them.

Only 12?
I lost interest after 30.

Still, I said I would do it, I shoulda done it. Or at least voted for myself like 50 times.

Correction, also add

32. Bruce Campbell, OT, Maryland

see why we didnt take taylor mays? haha

lol… just saw that!

?

Sorry. Mays was talking smack about his old coach, Carroll.

Funny.

ha, yeah. he’s been a 49er for an hour and he already did an interview talking about how pete carroll didnt draft him. wtf? keep your mouth shut and be happy you’re in the NFL

exactly…and then carroll came back all professional and stated he liked mays but basically wasn’t playing favorites.

I thought mays was a high character guy…

The only players on my wish list from now on is Jon Jerry, Eric Norwood, and Bruce Campbell

I’ll bet that idiot Mangini won’t draft any of them!

Buffalo, Jags, and maybe 49ers are the only teams before us picking next who could take a QB.

Scratch Buffalo.

I think Jags and 49ers can be crossed off to, but I sometimes you just never know.

True.

One thing is perfectly clear. If you watched the last 4 games last year. Get used to that old school approach. Run, Run, Run, Screen, Run, Run, Run,Run, CROSSING ROUTE, Run, Deep Ball…. Run, Run, Run….

TD

That won’t work very long in the NFL.

Round is flying by. Browns will be up soon.

With McCoy, now you’re getting into the territory where a team can draft him just to have a backup quarterback (meaning a team without a QB issue could grab him).

Damn you’re right.

Basically, it’s time to just cross our fingers.

Which doesn’t affect us at all since we’re taking Skelton.

Nah, most teams don’t blow a 3rd on a backup. They draft him because they think he could be a starter. In the end, sadly, McNugget has been judged judged as a 5yr backup by the scouts. A slight upgrade to a Ken Dorsey. He just doesn’t have the physical attributes. Clearly the Browns scouting staff feels the same. He’s just not big enough. But ya, maybe someone takes him just to take him.

cant believe bruce campbell is still there too!

Anyone else see the guy in the Quinn jersey getting his pic with Goodell?

haha that was pretty funny. he was afraid to touch him at first.

Is there any team with more outdated jerseys from the last decade than the Browns?

at least we lead the league in something.

Indians.

Expos/Nationals

Yahoo has made me feel better:

Ward: T.J. Ward is simply a football player. He’s undersized and has some medical issues, but is really fluid when asked to redirect and find the football and loves to bring the wood vs. the run game. A really solid pick in Round 2.

Hardesty: A really talented back who has the ability to make people miss inside and accelerate into the open field. Runs hard and can break tackles, but has some real durability issues.

They are solid players!!

my issue with ward is that we already have a supposedly stout safety against the run (abram). we need a free safety and ward looks more like a SS

Rec for needing a free safety

to be fair Ward has played/can play both.

exactly. We needed a ballhawk, not a hard hitter

How can it be possible for one person to hate EVERY pick the Browns make? You must try really hard to do that.

How is it possible for you to bitch so much about my opinion. Got a problem, ignore me and move on

Perhaps he just feels that Buffalo might be a more fitting team for you to root for.

If you haven’t noticed, I’m not the only one who is annoyed by your constant grumpiness.

Have the ball enough to speak for yourself, not everyone else. If you don’t like my opinion, ignore me. You’re constant bitching isn’t any less annoying than my “grumpiness”, so STFU and skip over my comments if you have a problem. Easy right?

Do you enjoy anything?

He enjoyed washing Sergio Kindle.

lame

funny, actually.

kids are easily entertained afterall

because your response was very grown up.

Do you mean approve? I Enjoy lots of things, I dont approve of many of these moves

No, I mean enjoy. You seem to be mad about everything that ever happens to the Browns.

Admittingly I have low patience with the Browns after years and years of bad personel management. But honestly my “grumpiness” seems accentuated lately because the browns have honestly done nothing, NOTHING that I truly approved of the past 2 years. seriously

Villeslgr - April 24, 2010 reply

You do realize that nobody respects your opinion when all you do is whine all the time, right? You just seem to be a grumply old guy who always complains about something, and nobody takes that seriously. Why even bother telling us your opinion when it’s always negative? What is the point?

You’re right. I give a shit about you’re opinion of my opinion. So you shouldn’t feel the need to express it

I’m just trying to improve the quality of the site.

I’m admittedly have low patience with the Browns after so many years of seeing the same things over and over. But it seems accentuated because the Browns have honestly not done anything I really, GREATLY approved of the past 2 years. I seriously wasn’t this bad before.

Mangini covets guys who can play both positions.

I thought it was rob ryan that said that. either way, we have 2 “hybrid” safeties, guys who could play FS or SS. guys who can hit you in the mouth and be decent in coverage. I like this Defensive backfield.

Ward used to be a CB so I think he can cover well enough for FS. I think he may end up being solid but I doubt he will be good. JMO

a) ward has played both

b) elam is more of a hybrid safety like ward. Elam isn’t a bad cover guy for a FS.

c) rob ryan has stated he doesn’t want a SS and FS, he wants 2 safeties who can play the run and pass and that is what elam and ward are.

T.J. Ward is simply a football player.

Now I’m relieved.

I’m still wondering about Hardesty. I hope he turns about to be an assume back behind Harrison.

Awesome. Not assume.

lol

Ward is 215-220lbs. Height is overrated.

MOST FS’s are still over 5’10. I know some good ones are that size but usually you want a taller one

Polamalu, Sanders, Reed. I’ll take hard hitter, agile, and fast over 6’+ any day. I’d also like no college injuries, though.

Yeah, Ward runs a 4.45 and is 211 lbs. if he cleans up his game he could be a steal.

jaws. - April 24, 2010 reply

he is over 5’10’’…so whats the problem?

he is taller and has a similar vertical leap to earl thomas. I never heard anyone here complain that much about thomas’ height.

i dont like the medical issues. hes has two surgeries on his knees

Ward banged up as well

Players I like that are still around:
QB Colt McCoy
DE Corey Wootton
WR Taylor Price
WR Brandon Lafell
WR Damian Williams
OLB Ricky Sappy
NT Cam Thomas
OT Bruce Campbell
LB Donald Butler

There are some good ones there.

i wouldn’t mind throwing a pick at bruce campbell here. i would get to make tons of evil dead references.

its worth the pick for that reason alone

Absolutely. If he can play RT for us, that’s just a bonus.

lol

Honey. You got real ugly.

I smile just seeing that name.

when ther is a team like the browns with countless holes…why do we need 3264 running backs?

Because championship teams have 3265 running backs. We’re almost there.

Good question. Especially since the running game is the ONE thing that seemed to pick up at the end of last season.

Isn’t it obvious? We have that many LBs and they need someone to injure during opportunity time.

9 more picks until we go again

I didn’t love the Hardesty Pick. Tell you the truth i really like the other 2. I think we should have gone Vladimir Ducasse with that Hardesty pick.

Hopefully we’ll find a few deals on offensive lineman later in the draft.

At this point I think Dan LeFevour is the guy, I hope anyway. Seems like a pretty good athlete, nice release. NFL weight program could benefit him.

There are a lot of QBs left. I cant wait to see who we get. Maybe not till round 5 or 6.

I just don’t get why we’d pass on McCoy when McCoy himself said Holgren compared him to Steve Young and Montana. He also said he loved the coaches and stuff.

Yeah, McCoy has a big chance to start here. But he could’ve said that about Buffalo, Carolina, etc. probably.

ya we gave up a lot to get that Hardesty pick. i also think we didnt have to many issues with the RBs we have already. should have gone a different direction.

Our FO might not believe in our RBs.

Let’s not forget: McCoy is still on the board…

Hope I didn’t just jinx it.

I don’t hate the hardesty pick. I am not in love with it, but I think it was solid, even considering what we gave up. he has all the tools to be a feature back in the league. he has underrated speed, soft hands, good blocking, great vision, but he does lack in lateral mobility. he could still be a great runner and has been compared to another great running back who came out of Tennessee and was recently on the browns.

for those still waiting for a qb: anyone we take now is developmental, agreed? What’s the point in drafting a development qb this year when we’ll probably have a high pick next year in a much deeper qb class? let’s just spend whatever later round pick on some depth at another position.

this is where i always think that if possible, package them later round picks and trade them for higher round picks next year. then use them next year to trade up again if needed

because homgren is a qb monster and he will work his magic

why not get a second round quality QB this year and get a get a great player in a different position next year with our first.

why not get a second round quality other position and a first round quality qb? qb is more important than most positions

EXACTLY!!

because its more likely a 1st round quality player at another position will be a 1st round quality player 2 years later than a qb will be. us browns fans know this all to well

i mean, sad but true. but in theory, qb next year.

its so hard to get a good qb in the later rounds. i know there is the huge bust potential when you pick them high, but when you pick them in the 2nd round and they dont turn out, then thats a pick wasted that should have been a starter as well

soo never draft a qb?

no, of course you draft a qb. i’m just saying i think you got to go ahead and draft one with a high pick. i wouldnt waste the time picking a guy in the later rounds.

Perhaps if we’re in good position to take a top QB next year, we will.

Meanwhile, developmental QB learns this year and starts next year. If he shows promise, he starts the whole season, and maybe we have Brees/Rivers, Brady/Cassell, or Vick/Schaub situation.

correction: have a …situation

the problem here is there is such a good chance of missing out on a true franchise qb while we’re “developing” someone else.

I hope our next pick is Jacoby Ford.

Jacoby Ford seems like Roscoe Parrish to me…is that what we want?
On the other hand we could get cough Tim Carter cough , I mean Taylor Price

unless someone triads up i think mcCoy will be there for the Browns pick

It’s tough to say who will take McCoy at this point. Now it’s almost like, “gee, if we basically made it an afterthought to take the guy after having several opportunities, did we really even want him?”

Good point.

I’m thinking that Holgren is so set with not taking a QB till the 3rd round that he would take the best available at that point….and i would say that is mccoy

So in the SB Nation Mock Draft, I took Colt McCoy in the second round. If I didn’t take him, I was taking DL Corey Wootton.

It’s mid-way through round three, and they are both still available. Mock draft fail for me.

Mock drafts are insanely hard, don’t beat yourself up. ;)

Mock draft fail for everyone.

I took Haden and Demaryious Thomas when I did one for the Browns. Win?

this mock draft is making many epic fails…bruce campbell fell far…granted he still went to the raiders.

I think Wooton’s injuries scare people.

He also seems like jarron gilbert of last year. too small to really have a position

5 more…

Houston
Pittsburgh
Atlanta
Cincinnati
Cleveland

I wonder if McCoy is coming anytime soon

Watch Pitt take him to just piss me off.

I thought so too, but they got a solid value in Sanders.

Is there some major downside to Bruce Campbell that I don’t know about? I’m surprised he’s still on the board.

People are afraid of a guy who is a freak athlete but doesn’t play like one?

Interesting, I didn’t know. I just saw him projected anywhere from top 10 to early second at the latest. I didn’t follow him closely at all in college though, so I don’t know much about him.

I thought he would have gone in the second, too. Figured it would be worth it for someone who already has a good team to take a flier on him.

I thought he would have gone in the second, too. Figured it would be worth it for someone who already has a good team to take a flier on him.

see: Taylor Mays

4

wow, McDaniels makes a smart pick: J.D. Walton

2 more.

so i just youtubed john skelton…does anyone else HATE the way he throws? even tho he can throw it a mile

How much you wanna bet I can throw a football over them mountains?

No players have been traded in this draft, right?

Correct.

Ok, one more…

Seeing if this comment will post…DBN lagging right now…

Good, it worked again. Just in time for being on the clock in a few minutes.

Yes.

You on the right?

we traded up?

We traded up again?!!

browns just traded up? 1 spot? i guess they had to outbid another team..

sww2109 - April 23, 2010 reply

uh? trade up ONE?!? w.t.f.

Called Shipley.

Really? Is this a guess or confirmed?

…..?

exciting

Who with, what for, and who did we get?

I don’t get it, we didn’t trade up? Not according to Sirius.

I’m soooooo confused.

Colt and Norwood for our next 2 picks please

I don;t think we moved up. I think Cincy picked Shipley.

this

No guys we didn’t trade up. The #86 pick is wrong. It was always 85.

I mean #86 pick posted on the thread discription.

maybe it was a miscomunication from the shouts in the other room…

Why can I just see Michael Smith hanging out in the hallway outside the war room with his ear to the door, like a kid spying on his parents?

At least he made it to the hallway. Poor Grossi spent the draft sitting in his Camry watching the real journalists come and go from the facilities.

Yes, we did NOT move up. We’re on the clock at No. 85 as scheduled.

Ihope we still have 92.

What is going on! F*** you ESPN.

rich eisen just said we traded wimbley tot he patriots..

sww2109 - April 23, 2010 reply

mccoy it is!!

LOL fucking morons

But, but, but, but we shoulda traded up into the 1st to get him!!

Bruce Campbell.

Complete speculation.

mccoy!

sww2109 - April 23, 2010 reply

nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

THERE IT IS!!

qb of the future !!! great value

Colt McCoy!!!!!!!!

HOLY FUCK

boooooooooo

gtfo

why is every white WR compared to wes welker

Would you prefer Brian Brennan?

Spidey - April 23, 2010 via mobile reply

Ricky Proehl

Ed McCaffery

jaws. - April 24, 2010 reply

Joe Jurevicius

notthatnoise - April 24, 2010 reply

YES!!!!

YESSSSSS

WOOOOoooo!

YESSSSS!

Plus future Mrs. McCoy also gets to make a few more appearances in Cleveland!

jharbdo - April 23, 2010 reply

nooo

nice

Finally!

realmccoy must be jumping for joy.

Great value.

Mack Brown selects Colt!

great value for Browns

WarWolf - April 23, 2010 reply

Sending Mack Brown up there was a nice touch.

This pick is the “In Holmgren I trust” pick. It was between Colt or Dan LeFevour and I suppose Holmgren likes Colt’s arm and such better. I’ll live with it.

Get this kid in the weight room though, buff him up and see if he can solidify his arm and prevent injury.

Definitely think this draft slide and McCoy’s blue collar attitude could come up big in cleveland.

his only weakness is that he isn’t tim tebow.

Better value than having to trade up for tebow at least.

Maybe he can takeover quinn’s eas endorsement

i love how his shirt says “Victory is MINE”

Gotta say it is a bit more manly than that powder blue job Tebow was wearing with the sharp collar.

yes! now i get to continue my man-crush!

I can live with #85. Welcome to the Browns Colt McCoy.

hell. yes.

Bottom line: he was an absolute stud in college, so I am more than willing to give the kid a shot.

Mid third round is an excellent place to pick him up. And Mel Kiper is finally happy.

Now I can go to bed a little more happy. :-)

I can’t argue with #85 for the kid. Still don’t think he’s big enough. But he gets a year to soak up the offense. He’ll be a 3rd/4th stringer year one.

I called it last night — we would not draft Colt unless he fell to the 3rd round. Buckeye Brad said he was 90 percent sure I was wrong. Book it.

Good call.

mike holmgren’s on the line; something about a job offer…

BuckeyeBrad doesn’t like what I had to say about McNu….. I PROMISED, I’ll never say it again!

Haha — you were right, I was wrong.

But we can both be happy about it.

Yes I am. It worked out in the end. Hopefully we were able to get two really good players in the 2nd before we got McCoy.

Nice.

should have been bruce campbell

pick #92 is coming up…

FLAG

Stop being a nutsack

pass

SafePicksRUs

Wow.

I don’t know how it happened, but it did,

Can we get Wootton also?

Posts I want to do this summer:
-Browns offense: running plays and what few passes we threw.
-Browns D: how/why Rob Ryan is awesome
-Texas O: what Colt did in college
-Florida D: Haden’s responsibilities

Sound interesting? HOpefully I have enough college game tape.

Yes
Yes
Yes
and Yes!

Browns D: how/why Rob Ryan is awesome

Awesome.

yes. can’t wait.

Also maybe some plays I would run with McCoy that weren’t run at Texas.

you got a lot of work ahead rufio

or everson griffin

/dances

and boom goes the dynamite

BringBackKosar - April 23, 2010 reply

Rome qoutes are not allowed

Rome?

Jim

That’s not from Rome.

Rome says it all the time as a joke.

Only someone who listens to Jim Rome would know that.

He’s the only thing on during my break at 10 am

OK didnt know it was from that. My bad.

85. Colt McCoy, QB, Texas
I don’t like Colt McCoy as a prospect. I could be wrong, but I think he’s a mini-Kyle Orton. Having said that, he’s a great value toward the bottom of Round 3. He’s a natural fit for Cleveland’s West Coast offense, but why then did the Browns pass on him twice on Day 2? That’s the huge question. (Pick Grade: A)

Wow, I’d expect good ol’ Walter to slam this.

my guess – value. maybe that expected him to fall?

Orton?

Could they be any more different in style?

the1austin - April 23, 2010 reply

When Mack Brown came up I was flipping a crap. My dad and I were freaking out.

Knowing McCoy would fall to #85:…………

Rec!

Yes! Brilliant indeed! I think he is as good a prospect QB as any in this draft including Bradford. Bradford has a lot of downside risk with his injuries last year and lack of play. McCoy will have one of the best QB developers on the planet in his corner. Bravo Browns!

The nice thing about taking him at 85 is that he can be a bust and it’s not a big deal. If they don’t like what they see then they can justify taking another QB next year.

McCoy 3- Bradford 1

Just saying.

the1austin - April 23, 2010 reply

Super special awesome!

Now, that aside….how does this work with the first round barrier BK19 discovered?

Yahoo just compared him to Gradkowski. Eff that!

ummm. he plays just like him? of course they compared the two of them

We gave up even value to move up and picked a physical/explosive RB and solidified our RB corps. Just like the Jets did for years under Mangini we will ALWAYS have a RB on the field who can break one.

Yahoo are a bunch of yahoos.

wtf

wtf who did we trade with what team i mean 2 get that rb can some1 plz tell me

we traded a third rounder and 2 fifth rounders with the Eagles

teh eglez got r pics.

love it.

at this spot in the draft we cant go wrong with McCoy. even if he is a bust we wont pay him much and anyone else we would have picked could do the same

my magic 8 ball was right!

anyone?

Not even my looming AP Gov final at 10 AM can bring me down now!

You’re already in to Clemson, as long as you don’t blow your GPA or fail, I think you’re doin alright.

Exactly.

It’s only AP Government, not a really important class like AP Calculus!

Haha. A couple of my friends are taking Calc and they say it’s awful.

I thought it was a lot easier than Pre-calc, actually.

And then I got to Ohio State and decided to try honors math…now I am an art student.

Precalc is much tougher than calc.

They wouldn’t be saying that if they were in my class. ;)

i loved calc.

I love teaching calc.

I got a 5 on that test.

And my teacher was on Jeopardy.

Wow, nice. I’m just hoping for a 3. Our class exam is tomorrow, not the actual AP. I could get like a 65 and still have a B- for the year.

I am fairly hog certain I didn’t deserve a 5.

fairly hog certain would sound great in that twangy southern drawl of colt’s.

Hahaha. It would.

That test is pretty easy. I got a 5 without taking the class.

i think i got a 3, but my teacher was awful and did not prepare us at all for it.

When I took the test, AP had a deal where you could pay to take the AP government test and then take the AP comparative government test for free. So my entire class took the AP comparative government test without taking the class, which turned the thing into a big joke. In the end, though, I got a 5 in government and pulled off a miracle three in comparative government — I have no idea how this happened — and scored some extra credit hours for college.

Chemo - April 24, 2010 reply

Can I haz o-line now?

lol, I guess it’s not the internet without a “can i haz” line

OLine or WR

BTW… Prisco on CBS give the McCoy pick an A. First from him in the draft. Bummer about Cincy though. I liked Shipley for the matched set.

You know McCoy’s coming in with a chip on his shoulder if nothing else.

Yes, I am really hoping they can motivate him with his draft day fall.

Not saying that’s how it should be but that’s the reality of the situation. I mean Tim Tebow went in the 1st way ahead of him. I’d certainly feel like I had something to prove.

He’ll be motivated…just getting drafted is a huge honor. He is NOT the kind of kid that isn’t going to work his ass off and he knows why delomme and wallace are there…b/c they want him to learn, listen, and eventually take over…

willyoubemycharizard - April 23, 2010 reply

I’ve watched Colt McCoy since he first started at Texas and you would not believe the how much he has changed. I doubt yall need to worry about him working hard. He always works hard .I think back when Vince Young first left he walked into Greg Davis’s office(the oc at Texas) and said that he would be better than Vince Young. That kind of thing is rare for someone to say. Anyway…I suppose I’m rooting for both the bengals and the browns.

wonder if we go for griffin with 92?

maybe wooten

not a bad idea either. i still like bruce campbell too. you can never have too good of a line!!

Jacoby Ford.

CLEMSON!

Definitely want a wide reciever.

i agree if we could of got shiply that would of been a dream match up come true

Campbell?

Browns town - April 23, 2010 reply

anyone rather of had taylor mayes from usc over the ss we got? or am i the only one who feels that way?

Probably not, but not a lot of people here were highon Mays.

mangini would have suspended mays already after his post draft press conference.. lmao

mays would not of been a good fit. he can’t cover anybody all that well

I originally had us selecting Mays and San Francisco picking TJ but I understand their reasoning for the pick. TJ is versatile and can be moved around. He’s also really good in zone coverage. Something Mays hasn’t shown the ability to do.

I think the Panthers just traded up to get a WR

ok, a college QB that is going to be moved to WR

WR or Right tackle next. Or DE.

Patriots get Chad Jackson V2

shit browns are already up

cant believe we trader 3 picks 4 that rb dam we got robbed i mean come one we orginally had 12 pik then after the trade we had 10 going n2 the draft and now were going 2 finsh with 8 i mean i thought this draft we could of turned things around but im not so sure abt what were doing i bet

whaaa?

DrewskiC - April 23, 2010 reply

Speak English please.

…you need to seriously think about the following things before posting:

(1) punctuation
(2) spelling
(3) logic
(4) not posting.

Emphasis on number 4.

+1

(4) not posting.

We actually gained 3 trade points for the moveup. Stop posting or learn more about value.

no habla 1st grader.

Laugh. Out. Loud.

rec

why dont you use punctation i mean its really hard to reed long runon sentences and it doesnt make you look smart and do you think you know better than holmgren and arent you jumping to conclusions way too sonn and may i suggest another website for you cleveland.com its perfect for you

Just checked back in. That was a long ride to get to McCoy. I’ll never doubt you again, FO.

FUCK, WR WR WR

Corey Wootton, Bruce Campbell, Ricky Sappy, or Cam Thomas?

lol, I keep typing Sappy instead of Sapp

Gibson?

a weapon for McCoy?

Maybe in 2011 if McCoy is actually the guy.

Pick is in

Lauvao

I’d like a TE. Aaron Hernandez from Florida or that kidd from PItt.

who?

Guard from Arizona state. He’s probably the 3rd or 4th ranked Guard on most rankings

Thank you, my area knowledge only extends so far.

YES…. MORE OFFENSIVE LINEMAN.

Moon got his guard… who I have never heard of.

my first thought when I heard it was “oh god, more butt picks by moon”

an o lineman thats not bruce campbell? he must have some real issues

I know nothing about this guy, anyone?

Big, physical, hard worker, pretty blue collar guy. Durable, won his team’s award for winter strength/conditioning, solid run blocking technique, not a dominant mauler in terms of strength. Needs to get lower in pass pro.

Knew I could count on you Rubio. Reading about him a little more (thanks for the link below emily). Love what I read. How disgusting is our OL if he works out? Damn.

how does he find time for this while playing pro basketball in italy?

Well played.

Another Polynesian. Mangini had a say on this pick.

I know even less. What the hell is his name?

Seriously. If I click a link or open another page my browser will crash.

Shawn Lauvao

Arizona St. 6’2 7/8", 315lbs.

Thank you.

Shawn Lauvao

Thank you.

We got a G from Arizona St. I’m good with that.

Okay. I love this draft.

This.

Browns town - April 23, 2010 reply

Seconded.

Our Offensive Line is so sick. Like I said, run, run, run, run

Alright. OL

Nice.

Was Philly eyeing him?

They were. He’s a solid prospect. Excellent value for the 3rd round. Can play both sides. Strong kid. Good speed.

Looks like a solid guard to offset some of that nasty new Baltimore D-line.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UcaxxJoe3n0

So many athletes on our O’Line

LOL TEBOW in the 1st. ha ha ha oh wow

It’s still funny.

McCoy in the 3rd >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tebow in the 1st

I am now very, very happy with our draft…

Don’t know much about Lauvao… hadn’t even heard of him until his name got called. But just some quick reading has made me like the pick.

From Yahoo:

“A former left tackle who will make the move to guard at the next level. Is an above average athlete who can slide in space and his best football is still ahead of him.”

I think we’re gonna run a lot.

its gonna be more than a lot

I’ll go with 80% run differential.

Lovely night.

i know you can never have to many OLs. but isnt WR and Dline a biger problem?

no

Agreed.

how?

We have young talent at WR. We have a workable rotation at DL, though we could use depth and youth. OG is a need equal to or greater than DL.

Also, at this point, you aren’t filling holes anymore.

We’re drafting BPA, not filling holes.

I am not so sure we are.

It sort of looks like we’re not, but I’m taking Heckert’s word for it. He said we’d be taking BPA.

I think that’s true to a point, but with certain qualifiers. We wouldn’t take another RB, for instance. We have no damn room.

Yeah, definitely. We’re not taking anymore Backs.

Did he ever come out and say that? The only thing I had read had said “we’d like to be able to go with the best available”, meaning that would be ideal but we might have too many bigtime needs.

I thought he said it after the Sheldon Brown trade. That bringing in Brown (and Delhomme anf Hillis, etc..) would let them go with the best player available. I could be wrong though (and my current computer situation makes it near impossible to fact check).

Yeah I don’t remember reading that but it was what I was hoping/thinking. I hope we weren’t reaching for need. It is a little coincidental that we ended up filling 4 of our biggest needs, though. I’m not complaining.

Ill trust Heckert in the late rounds at this point. I don’t hate any of our picks but I definitely don’t love the trade up for hardesty. This team must have really liked Lauvao for that right guard spot. Lets hope the strength coach does some good work with these guys.

Still would like to see a wideout. Andre Roberts was a steal for the cards, I think.

Sort of, we’re drafting the BPA based on what we view as needs. The weird thing is, we’re actually considering “Need” as creating dominant sectors in our lineup. We looked to create a dominant DB situation. We did. We looked to create a dominant RB situation. We did. We looked to create a dominant Offensive Line and we did. And we got a hell of a QB prospect at 85 which won’t be considered a dismal failure if he busts.

unless they thought this olineman was soooo much better than any WR and dlineman left

“I know you can never have to many OLs”

So ya. Just stick with your first thought.

also…Kevin Curtis and Laveranues Coles are still available
I could see us bringing one of them in with the Curtis/Heckert and Coles/Mangini connections

That Andy Reid interview was the most awkward/pointless thing I have ever experienced.

DrewskiC - April 23, 2010 reply

It was just great on mute.

And you’ve been listening to Mel Kiper, Chris Berman, and Steve Young stammering about for hours.

And that’s a wrap. Off to normal tv now.

unless we trade back into the third round?

I know this has been mentioned…but I have found the coverage on ESPN to be absolutely horrible. Jesus. That was completely unwatchable at points. Berman would just stare into the TV, 3 or 4 talking heads would say something irrelevant, they’d have a commercial and 3 picks later…we get more awkward moments with Berman!

Radio Coverage > TV Coverage

That’s they way I went.

Well, I’m outta here. I need to keep studying.

I’m very happy about our picks! I know earlier I was all pissy about Ward and Hardesty, but it was b/c I didn’t think we’d get Colt. Sorry if I annoyed some people by being like that.

After some reading though, I’m liking this draft. Hopefully we can get some steals in the 5th and 6th!

Good luck.

Thanks!

Glad your feeling better…you were getting a bit tense there…

Haha yeah sorry about that!

Well, I was never sold on Colt. Still think he’s way to small. And hated the idea of picking him at 38. BUT, love him at 85. And we all get to be happy now.

he’s an inch shorter and 7 lbs lighter than clausen. its not that big a deal.

also, wikipedia already has him listed as a quarterback for the browns.

too bad we dont have any 4th round picks. lots of good prospects left

So THIS is what it’s like to have a competent FO!!!

what the patriots just did.. this is exactly what im talking about!!!!! trade thirds this year for seconds next year!

Except we just got Colt McCoy with our third rounder. Anyone NOT okay with that should really think about getting their head checked.

i respect your opinion. not what i would have done with that pick though

maybe i need my head checked, lol

im always trying to think ahead… could have traded a couple of our third rounders for seconds next year… then packaged them next year to trade up high in the first round… then got jake locker, ryan mallet, whoever the top qb is next year… instead, we’ll be trying to develop this guy while some other teams are drafting these guys

Crap the saints took Jimmy Graham

anyone else here am i in the right thread this time?

it depends, were you looking for the gay japanese magician thread?

i know i was!

Do not do a bing image search for that. I wanted to post a funny picture and well. . .

hilarious!

dont think i saw a single magician…….well maybe i did

Excellent.

Paging Doctor Faggot!

TheRealSlimShady - April 24, 2010 reply

i totally agree with u on the colt was a steal in the 3rd round

I actually think this was the area where he was supposed to be drafted. He only seemed to shoot up the draft boards after Kiper began hyping him up, other than that he was always considered a 3rd round pick

that’s what i was thinking

He was always a 3rd round value pick.

i know i said it up above, but i’m happy i get to continue my colt mccoy fandom

coltmccoyisbeast

poor mayock

who had undersized hands was it mccoy or was it clausen?

Clausen does, at least. I don’t know about McCoy. Tebow has large hands.

McCoy’s are 9.4, Clausen’s 9.0

It really doesn’t matter.

what time does the 4-7 rounds start 2morrow?

Take whatever Chris says and subtract a half hour.

Rec

thx rufio that is inch’s abt there hand size correct?

Yes, inches. Please use the reply button when you want to reply to someone. Thanks.

lol well i didnt hear chris so that doesnt really help me out

nvm 10 am i got it thx though

The gf just traded her BQ jersey for a Colt McCoy jersey, is fully enthused about it, and she is an ND alum! ….I fully approve.

jharbdo - April 23, 2010 reply

There are some good TE’s left on the board — Hernandez, Pitta, Dickerson. I’d love to get one of them but we’d probably have to trade up to the 4th.

I think WR is a bigger need too. We need a slot guy with some speed. If Robo and MoMass are going to play on the outside we could use a speedy guy in the slot to stretch the defense.

…except that goes away from our identity as a power running team. Why split the guy out wide when you can’t run from the spread (because of our personnel, not trying to get into the college offense stuff right now)?

Ben Watson is our guy to stretch the middle of the field. Versatility and multiplicity mean nothing if the defense knows what you are doing when you line up in a certain formation. Maybe if we had the most success from 3-wide sets we would need a speedy slot guy. We got the guy we needed (Watson), a slot WR would be just a bonus.

what? you can run from 3 wide with no college trickeration or anything. If you have a slot receiver, especially one who is really fast, the defense generally has to put a nickelback on the field to cover him. This, in turn takes one of the front 7 out of the box, letting you run more effectively. You can be a power running team from whatever formations and personnel groupings you want.

We could have plenty of success out of 3 wide receiver formations if we had any receivers, right now I’d like to see us come away with at least one, and I wouldn’t mind if it was Jacoby Ford.

jaws. - April 24, 2010 reply

WE can’t run from 3-wide.

The Browns’ personnel. Not some hypothetical in a vacuum theory.

Drafting Jacoby Ford wouldn’t change that. Really good play from Delhomme might, but I’m not counting on that.

(because of our personnel, not trying to get into the college offense stuff right now)

I don’t know why but I feel like Ben Watson is the guy who’s going to disappoint this year.

skipkirk - April 24, 2010 reply

if i had to pick one of the newcomers, i would say Fujita. just my gut.

notthatnoise - April 24, 2010 reply

I am expecting very little from Fujita, and that’s from a Fujita fan.

same, i like the guy a lot, but my expectations are very, very low.

notthatnoise - April 25, 2010 reply

He won’t have to show up in the box score to make a big impact.

I like Pitta a lot but he’ll probably be gone. But didn’t we get a TE in free agency?

yea we signed watson. Between him and evan moore we’re not drafting another TE

anyone know a good website for are draft grade fro rounds 1-3 so far besides cbs and draftcountdown.com