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about 2 years ago: NEW YORK - APRIL 22: Joe Haden from the Florida Gators holds up a Cleveland Browns jersey after he was selected #7 overall by the Browns during the first round of the 2010 NFL Draft at Radio City Music Hall on April 22, 2010 in New York City. (Photo by Jeff Zelevansky/Getty Images)
It's Day 2 of the 2010 NFL Draft, and after going through the motions of round 1 last night, it's time for the Cleveland Browns to tackle rounds 2-3. This is where Mike Holmgren and Tom Heckert need to make their biggest splash.
The draft begins tonight at 6:30 PM EST. Teams will have 7 minutes to make their selection in the second round, but only 5 minutes to make their picks in the third round. Here are the picks the Browns hold heading into tonight:
Feel free to discuss all of today's draft-related news in this thread!
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6:30? Hell yeah! I might have time to get home before it starts.
Andrew Tolliver - April 23, 2010
We drafted an elf.
gahnki - April 23, 2010
He does have some set of ears on him..and that pic above makes him look tiny.
Andrew Tolliver - April 23, 2010
ohhhh!! we represent.. the lollipop kids, the lollipop kids, the lollipop kids! and in the name of the lollipop kiiiiiiiiids, we wish to welcome you to munchkin land!
findlaybrownslover - April 23, 2010
Rec for gahnki and fbl. Funny.
golanbatrac - April 23, 2010
You think he’s small. Wait until you see little Colt McCoy.
gentryholdem - April 23, 2010
I would have preferred your classic McNugget joke.
TheDriveStillHurts - April 23, 2010
I don’t think “classic” is the right word . . . .
Buckeye Brad - April 23, 2010
Previous model?
LondonBrown - April 23, 2010
rufio - April 23, 2010
Is he related to Colt McNugget? Ha! Someone made a funny joke in another thread. You see, that person, the person who made the funny joke, what they did was they took Colt McCoy’s name, and then altered it slightly, in a manner which indicated he is of relatively smaller proportion than one might expect for an NFL quarterback prospect of his acclaim. It was really quite clever, that joke. I enjoyed it. What with it’s humor. And cleverness. The joke.
danvail - April 23, 2010
huge rec.
Dawg Nuts - April 23, 2010
you know who I pictured that whole time…Stuey off family guy. You should write for them.
Kimble_79 - April 23, 2010
How’s that novel you’ve been working on?
Andrew Tolliver - April 23, 2010
Ha that was Stewie-ish.
Anyone seen the multiverse episode when they go to a world where everything’s drawn by Disney?
emily522 - April 23, 2010
Love it.
Andrew Tolliver - April 23, 2010
ehhh….
bross09 - April 23, 2010
We drafted Obama.
Matt Y. - April 23, 2010
Hopefully for you guys, this one is actually good.
TheRealSlimShady - April 23, 2010
really? you thought this was an ok comment?
notthatnoise - April 25, 2010
Browns looking to move up to 33, per Schefter.
rolub - April 23, 2010
If it happens, and we get Colt…
…CALLED IT
Andrew Tolliver - April 23, 2010
I’m referring to the smokescreen set up by Holmgren when Michael Smith said we’re targeting a RB or S
Andrew Tolliver - April 23, 2010
Nice, this is a good idea with a few teams in front of us may pick a QB…Vikings for one
Kimble_79 - April 23, 2010
And its not like we don’t have things to bargain with. I mean, 8 picks after the 2nd round, no big deal.
Andrew Tolliver - April 23, 2010
Vikings maybe. KC maybe. Philly no. Tampa probably not. St. Louis, I think they’re set though.
Andrew Tolliver - April 23, 2010
If it happens, and we get Colt....
we waste our pick and get a mid-level QB at best. What does he offer? No analysis has any true respect for him and Gr
GroundRuleTriple - April 23, 2010
All the “expert analysis” is just guessing. Its like saying “we know Tom Brady won’t be a good QB, he’ll go in the 6th round.”
Andrew Tolliver - April 23, 2010
i hate all these pompous analysis.
Dawg Nuts - April 23, 2010
yeah and the NFL basically stuck their thumb in kiper’s eye with clausen so the analysis is….
sleepy042 - April 23, 2010
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/player/profile?playerId=175772
I think his stats from 08 and 09 speaks for what he has to offer.
Kimble_79 - April 23, 2010
Per Bill Barnwell of Football Outsiders.
danvail - April 23, 2010
I hope so!!!
emily522 - April 23, 2010
I feel like this is the way for Holmgren to get some free press for the organization. “Sure, we’re thinking of trading our whole draft for Bradford!”
gentryholdem - April 23, 2010
When Berman said Holmgren was talking to the Rams about moving up to the top pick, and he mentioned giving up a majority of our picks, I almost had a heart attack.
Andrew Tolliver - April 23, 2010
but he said it wasn’t realistic too…
bross09 - April 23, 2010
better be sergio kindle….. or taylor mays???? I think clausen is a bad idea
JBrownFan - April 23, 2010
Kindle needs major surgery. Pass.
Buckeye Brad - April 23, 2010
and mays is a liability in coverage which limits his versatility. pass.
bross09 - April 23, 2010
Joe Haden was a great pick for us! Hopefully they drop him back at S or FS position!
IMO we should get Claussen if hes there in the 2nd round!
kevin122380 - April 23, 2010
Why would you put a potential shutdown corner at safety? That makes absolutely no sense.
woodsmeister - April 23, 2010
Drafting a guy 7th overall and moving him to a position that he has never played before always makes sense.
TheDriveStillHurts - April 23, 2010
A 3’5" corner would really intimidate opposing offenses. I’m all for that move!
AG7 - April 23, 2010
What?
rufio - April 23, 2010
…sarcasm. (small corner with not much strength would not intimidate offenses.)
AG7 - April 23, 2010
I don’t know how I came away with you calling Haden tiny from that…my bad. Probably the 2000 comments I’ve been through in the last two days.
rufio - April 23, 2010
His official height is slightly under 5’11’’. not tall but not short. a solid 35 inch vertical leap. he is also 193 pounds and has room to put on a couple pounds. he is definitely not skinny and has some bulk.
bross09 - April 23, 2010
I am aware of Haden’s size, thank you.
rufio - April 23, 2010
I hate it when people talk about how small Haden is, because he is significantly larger than me.
Chemo - April 23, 2010
sheldon brown is moving to FS this year
rockybrown - April 23, 2010
Mangini says no. He said he wants a 3 way competition for CB with the 3rd stringer coming in for Nickel packages. We will need this vs. the Ravens and Bengals as they have picked up some good WR’s.
Kimble_79 - April 23, 2010
Or how about we draft Thadius Gibson from The Ohio State University!
Turn him into an OLB!!!!!!
kevin122380 - April 23, 2010
I’d take him with our first 3rd rounder but I think he’ll be gone.
rufio - April 23, 2010
Lets stock the Defense this year with all our draft picks! LOL
kevin122380 - April 23, 2010
Taylore Mays
Everyone was in love with him last year and wanted the browns to get him. Why not this year? He’s available, and we still need a safety.
siejecy - April 23, 2010
oops
sorry spelled his first name wrong
siejecy - April 23, 2010
He also looks more like a strong safety to me hard hitting mini linebacker who you don’t want on an island deep in your backfield. Unfortunately that clashes too much with the one safety we do have, Abe Elam, who’s cut from similar (if less exciting) cloth.
Why the need to trade up for McCoy? I can see the vikes taking Clausen but apart from that the guys ahead of us have bigger needs.
LondonBrown - April 23, 2010
I’m 100% in favor of staying put and letting the draft come to us in the second. No matter who takes what player, there will still be many quality players at positions of need to choose from at 37.
golanbatrac - April 23, 2010
Bills could try to pass us to take him.
emily522 - April 23, 2010
Mays = unproven
He is a big, hard hitting safety but it is feared that is all he is. He may take plays off, doesn’t cover well, and isn’t truly that good of player. But heck, with the Browns, why not?
GroundRuleTriple - April 23, 2010
Aren’t all the guys in the draft unproven?
Andrew Tolliver - April 23, 2010
That is true, its a toss up when it comes to these later rounds, hopefully Holgrem is far smarter then I
GroundRuleTriple - April 23, 2010
He’s really smart. Not saying you aren’t but if we’re going to get a gem this year, he’ll find it.
Andrew Tolliver - April 23, 2010
Think he is going to me more offense or defense oriented?
GroundRuleTriple - April 23, 2010
Honestly I think it’ll be offense. Our defense is looking a little bit better every day. Our offense is like swiss cheese – full of holes.
Andrew Tolliver - April 23, 2010
However, with our pick on Haden, it appears we are going BPA. Could be offense or defense depending on the war room guru’s draft board.
Kimble_79 - April 23, 2010
He doesn’t take plays off really. supposedly he gives a good effort but just isn’t a good cover corner. even though he plays at a high level (supposedly) he doesn’t make a lot of plays. he is purely a H/W/S guy
bross09 - April 23, 2010
Cheers to that I would be happy with Taylor Mays and Joe Haden as our new safety DAWGS!
kevin122380 - April 23, 2010
That would be honestly nightmarish stuff. No way that happens, our defensive backfield would be a joke.
AG7 - April 23, 2010
Think I would like Thadius Gibson at OLB for us though!!
kevin122380 - April 23, 2010
Way too early to pick him. Maybe with one of our 3rd round picks…maybe.
Andrew Tolliver - April 23, 2010
If we trade to Rams to get 33 we have are clearly going to...
draft Jimmy Clausen?
draft Colt McCoy?
draft a WR?
draft someone else?
GroundRuleTriple - April 23, 2010
clearly one of those
rockybrown - April 23, 2010
uuumm…I think you covered all the bases there
Kimble_79 - April 23, 2010
Yup. I guarentee that we make one of those four moves.
Buckeye Brad - April 23, 2010
Smokescreen. We’re trading everything to St. Louis for Bradford.
Andrew Tolliver - April 23, 2010
Trade the trade back down.
golanbatrac - April 23, 2010
What the fuck? I honestly have no idea what I was trying to say..
golanbatrac - April 23, 2010
Trade the pick, maybe?
Andrew Tolliver - April 23, 2010
This is without a doubt my favorite draft strategy.
It is the ultimate smokescreen.
We trade for picks we don’t even want.
Bernie19Kosar - April 23, 2010
Much rather see Mays than a QB who isn’t going to see the field for a year or two.
gentryholdem - April 23, 2010
But if he saw the field after a year or two of development, and rocked, you would regret saying that.
Andrew Tolliver - April 23, 2010
If you’re going to get a quarterback worthy of seeing the field in a year or two, you’re most likely going to have to pick him today.
woodsmeister - April 23, 2010
Exactly.
Buckeye Brad - April 23, 2010
Also, I don’t see why anyone is so opposed to QB’s not seeing the field for a year or two. Two words:
Aaron. Rodgers.
Simmsinns - April 23, 2010
So, you don’t want to pick a QB now and have him wait a year, but wait a year to pick up one next draft. There’s some logic for yah.
SpecialBrownie - April 23, 2010
but “mcnugget” isn’t worthy of seeing the field or two…obviously
bross09 - April 23, 2010
Why do you keep repeating the same tired argument over and over again?
Buckeye Brad - April 23, 2010
Now this argument isn’t one I’m going to defend. :)
Chemo - April 23, 2010
Haha, thank you.
Buckeye Brad - April 23, 2010
Mays is not good in coverage. His only advantage is his size at Safety. He would probably be good in run defense, but would not fare well against an NFL receiver. I would much rather see somebody else get our 2nd round pick.
Kimble_79 - April 23, 2010
counting on Delhomme to be under center for game 1?
GroundRuleTriple - April 23, 2010
Seneca!
;)
LondonBrown - April 23, 2010
Ratliff!
(sorry. couldn’t resist.)
woodsmeister - April 23, 2010
(pulls ejection seat lever)
rockybrown - April 23, 2010
Jared Zabransky
(couldn’t resist a moon pick)
bross09 - April 23, 2010
Well, if he’s not you have to seriously question Holmgren even having the job. Why do you pay good money for Delhimme and then trade for Wallace if you still need a QB in round 2? Makes no sense. Basically people are rooting for Holmgren to admit he doesn’t like his own moves so far and is desperate to fix them.
gentryholdem - April 23, 2010
I completley agree. I would love to see Delhomme to come in and led this team to victory but the Browns need a franchise qb eventually so if not this year then we can sit around and trade for one or draft one IN THE FUTURE
GroundRuleTriple - April 23, 2010
Or we just didn’t have any other choices so far prior to the draft and it was a pick your poison type choice which I believe to be the case.
Kimble_79 - April 23, 2010
Because they’re both upgrades over what we had already (Anderson and Quinn)?
woodsmeister - April 23, 2010
Getting rid of both lanced a festering sore there. The Delhomme acquisition is strange to me whilst the Wallace one makes so much sense. Stuck behind a perennial top QB and has proved he can pass adequately in the NFL (if not at Manning/ Brady level), is it too much to say that could have been like Houston getting Schaub from behind Vick?
Still, let us watch the QB maestro weave his magic.
LondonBrown - April 23, 2010
Yes, that is too much to say.
TheDriveStillHurts - April 23, 2010
Meh. Maybe I am biased.
Did I give something away somewhere?
LondonBrown - April 23, 2010
Because both those QBs will be on the wrong side of 30 this season. Holmgren knew we needed to patch that hole immediately and he knows now that we’ll need to get a franchise guy at some point.
Delhomme is on a two year deal. Do you really think we brought him here to be the QB for the next ten years?
Holmgren doesn’t need to “fix” his own moves. He brought those guys in so that we didn’t have to both draft someone and start them right away. We still could draft someone and they could still win the starting job. We could draft someone and sit them for a year. We don’t have to even draft someone.
Those two signings gave us flexibility. Our options are now open, and we can take the best one we see.
rufio - April 23, 2010
BAM! Thank you! Great reply!
Andrew Tolliver - April 23, 2010
You couldn’t possibly be any more wrong, gentry.
The draft isn’t about obtaining starters for the upcoming season. The draft is about obtaining quality players who will contribute over a number of years.
golanbatrac - April 23, 2010
This.
emily522 - April 23, 2010
I hope we go O line or trade back on this pick. I hate the idea of trading up to 33 to get clausen ahead of minnesota. Then again I think we’ve already totally whiffed on the chance to get a quarterback in this draft.
jaws. - April 23, 2010
There are still two quarterbacks available that many thought were first round talent. Why would you say that we’ve already whiffed?
woodsmeister - April 23, 2010
Jaws was Tebow’s bromance buddy
Kimble_79 - April 23, 2010
The lack of talent at QB this year has caused QB’s that would normally be drafted in the 3-4 rounds (Tebow/McCoy) to become overrated. I’m praying we stay away from QB until next season’s draft.
AG7 - April 23, 2010
McCoy would not normally be drafted in the 3rd or 4th round; that’s just false.
Buckeye Brad - April 23, 2010
Honestly, you think he has second round talent? The fact that he is a QB means he will get drafted prior to when his talent dictates he should as it is, but this year’s draft is weak at QB, so he’ll go even higher.
AG7 - April 23, 2010
You think a 76%, 170ish rated ’08 QB, and a 70%, 147 rated QB would go to the 4th in any draft? No way
Kimble_79 - April 23, 2010
Please, check out these stats. Tell me how often you’ll find a QB who puts up numbers like that in college.
Buckeye Brad - April 23, 2010
I’m going to be crushed if we don’t take Colt.
Oh, God. I’m getting jaws-like obsessed now haha.
emily522 - April 23, 2010
yeah. He is likely to be a first rounder or at least high second last season…
bross09 - April 23, 2010
As said above, this is completely false. Making that declaration, even without getting into specific players, is akin to stating that the tolerance for the COLLECTIVE appraisal ability of NFL decision makers is 1-2 rounds, if the only variation is positional depth.
To think that NFL minds would be swayed that much year over year is staggering. There’s no way that’s true.
danvail - April 23, 2010
This sentence is so dense that you have to stop halfway through and read a Wikipedia entry to make sense of it. Literally!
Chemo - April 23, 2010
I’ve got draft fever and the only prescription is more smokescreen. Make it happen Mike.
(apologies on repeating a post from an earlier thread, but it just seems to fit the circumstances).
I really think MH just loves playing with the media as if he is a cat and they are a near-dead mouse. Soon he will say the team is looking to trade sideways and watch the tweets start multiplying.
Spidey - April 23, 2010 via mobile
Can we draft Arrelious Benn? Please? I love that guy.
Chemo - April 23, 2010
Another drop machine? Didn’t watching braylon edwards teach you anything?
jaws. - April 23, 2010
agree 100%
rockybrown - April 23, 2010
Drop machine? The guy didn’t have a single decent pass thrown to him in three years at Illinois. He had nothing to drop. It was miraculous that he caught any passes.
Chemo - April 23, 2010
Yup. Drops don’t count when they’re thrown at your feet or 5 feet over your head.
Buckeye Brad - April 23, 2010
To be fair, scouting report:
Matt Y. - April 23, 2010
That’s why you don’t spend the #3 overall pick on him.
rufio - April 23, 2010
Sounds like a cross between Braylon Edwards and Antonio Bryant, no thanks.
North Coast Flea - April 23, 2010
Its a pretty negative scouting report.
Another report reads:
rufio - April 23, 2010
Interesting that the two reports are so different.
My (extremely biased) scouting report is that the dude made some amazing catches of some terrible passes over the last three years.
Chemo - April 23, 2010
Your scouting eye is unbelievable.
rufio - April 23, 2010
personally I would rather get McCoy and then taylor price in the third.
bross09 - April 23, 2010
I think this was a very valuable first round pick. So Berry didn’t fall to us but hey, we still got the top CB in the draft.
brownsboy14 - April 23, 2010
agree, the top cover corner allows us to take more chances and blitz more
rockybrown - April 23, 2010
Ok sure, but why not go Earl Thomas and get a guy that can play both CB and S?
AG7 - April 23, 2010
Because he can’t play both at the same time? Although if he could, I’d be very impressed.
Andrew Tolliver - April 23, 2010
There’s no guarantee he can play CB. He’s versatile, sure. But you draft him to be a S, and then you can think about moving him around after he’s got that down.
rufio - April 23, 2010
Right that’s what I’m trying to say. I think the value out of Thomas is higher than that of Haden.
AG7 - April 23, 2010
I probably would have went Thomas myself. Hopefully I was wrong.
rufio - April 23, 2010
I would have as well
Kimble_79 - April 23, 2010
Perhaps the Browns thought that their success rate in lower rounds would be similar between free safeties and cornerbacks once Berry was gone, and ended up just taking BPA. I feel pretty confident they’ll pick up a good safety in round three, or trade back up into two to get one.
NM Dawg - April 23, 2010
Traditionally, solid-to-good safeties can be found in later rounds and don’t have a tremendous impact on what you can do defensively vs. CBs, this is true.
If I am coaching the D, I just love having an all-pro safety.
rufio - April 23, 2010
I’d be more inclined to believe Haden could play both positions than Thomas. Haden has already changed positions once (from qb to corner) and he’s more physical than most corners.
golanbatrac - April 23, 2010
I think the move to S would be much more of a stretch. Sure he would excel in coverage, but against the run, having him at S would be similar to putting a small WR at TE, IMO.
AG7 - April 23, 2010
but he can also add on pounds to his frame. he is a bit under 5’11’’ and almost 195 pounds. this is pretty stout for a CB and he is a CB that plays the run well and likes to hit. he can easily put on 5-10 pounds and still have elite speed and play FS like polamalu. granted, I want to keep him at CB, but just playing devils advocate to the point that he can play there.
bross09 - April 23, 2010
Didn’t he play WR between QB and CB, not sure but I thought I read that somewhere.
North Coast Flea - April 23, 2010
Maybe we drafted Haden to be our QB?
We were focused on the wrong Florida QB the whole time!
Bernie19Kosar - April 23, 2010
Formant
Anybody hate the draft spread out over 3 days?
GroundRuleTriple - April 23, 2010
If activity on chat boards and discussions on TV and radio are any indication, no. People are having a great time following the draft
Spidey - April 23, 2010
I do. I dont like the 3 day format, but if it is 3 days i think they should do Rds 1-2 the first day, 3-4 the second day, and 5-7 on the third
jyoung12387 - April 23, 2010
It’s done this way so teams have a little more time to make moves in rd 1.
North Coast Flea - April 23, 2010
I heard on the radio that the ratings were up 20% from last season.
The NFL can do whatever they want. We will come.
Bernie19Kosar - April 23, 2010
We’ll see about Haden. I really hope Michael Smith wasn’t right about Mangini pushing for Kyle Wilson. Mangini is the secondary coach who drafted Darelle Revis after all. Lets just hope that this #7 pick turns into a “Champ Bailey” level selection.
jaws. - April 23, 2010
Smith retracted and said the pick was unanimous. Said the only dispute was that some in the room felt Wilson had better Change of Direction ability, but everything else was in Haden’s favor.
Roger Dorn - April 23, 2010
I would agree with that assessment—Haden isn’t quite as fluid as Wilson. But I didn’t think Revis was all that fluid, either.
rufio - April 23, 2010
bross09 - April 23, 2010
We are thin on the ends of the d-line…. 3-4 defensive end with this pick….Alex Carrington, Arkansas St.
rockybrown - April 23, 2010
Can wait and get DE Jason Worilds, Virginia Tech
GroundRuleTriple - April 23, 2010
I think Worilds would play OLB for us. His injuries and lack of sacks scare me a little, but he’s a physical force.
rufio - April 23, 2010
I’ve heard Gocong might be slated to play inside. How likely do you think it is that he or Veikune move outside?
NM Dawg - April 23, 2010
It seems to me that both can rush the passer, with Gocong having more success in that area vs. Veikune. Of the two, I’d probably put Gocong on the outside. Both are big, strong guys without elite straight-line speed, but I’d say Veikune is a little more agile while Gocong is the better pass rusher, which is why I would do that.
At this point, though, if either turns out to be a solid player for us it’s a bonus.
rufio - April 23, 2010
or DE Lamarr Houston, Texas
rockybrown - April 23, 2010
Jason Worilds DE Virginia
GroundRuleTriple - April 23, 2010
he is an OLB, 6-1, 255 LB
rockybrown - April 23, 2010
I’m so excited for today. (Almost more than yesterday.)
Simmsinns - April 23, 2010
Incredibly Beer & Cornflakes!
LondonBrown - April 23, 2010
How is this not obvious
We do not need to trade up and take McCoy. He is an average QB prospect at best. People forget that there IS a draft next year, and next year’s QB class is incredibly. Why waste another pick on second or third tier QB (like Charlie Frye and Brady Quinn). The best guy on the board right now is Sergio Kindle, OLB from Texas. He is a prototypical 3-4 pass rusher which we desperately need. I would gladly give up a 3rd rounder to move up to the top of the 2nd round and take him.
jyoung12387 - April 23, 2010
Somehow I feel like this was just destined to be a DBN meme.
Simmsinns - April 23, 2010
I would be happily if that happened.
danvail - April 23, 2010
he left it blank because there are so many unknowns that it could be incredibly, many things (mediocre, great, unproven, etc…)
bross09 - April 23, 2010
1. please utilize the reply button.
2. we typically stay away from the subject line around here.
3. nothing is obvious to any of us, because we aren’t NFL talent scouts, GMs, coaches, players, etc. just because it’s your opinion doesn’t mean it should be obvious to everyone else. if holmgren trades up to get colt mccoy, i trust him.
Dawg Nuts - April 23, 2010
I meant incredibly deep
jyoung12387 - April 23, 2010
that’s what people were saying last year about 2010.
rolub - April 23, 2010
No they weren’t. There was never an indication that this year was going to be deep for QBs. There was talk last year that this draft would be deep on DL, OL, DBs.
gentryholdem - April 23, 2010
After last year’s draft when kiper/mcshay do their silly mock draft for the following year, McCoy was 6th; Clausen and Tebow were first round, and LeFavsomething from the MAC was getting late-first round, early 2nd love.
rolub - April 23, 2010
forgot to mention that Bradford was 1 then as well.
rolub - April 23, 2010
Also, people thought Locker would be coming out and that Snead would continue to improve, not go on to throw 25million INTs. A lot can change in a year.
rufio - April 23, 2010
yep…and locker is still a big question mark IMO. who in 2011 is proven? locker may be the most proven and that is in a way scary. imagine if people talked about bradford being a first rounder in 2008 after his rookie 2007 season? that is what it is like when people talk about luck, a RS Sophmore, after one Decent season.
bross09 - April 23, 2010
Everyone thought that this was going to be the deepest QB class ever.
The Licensed Pessimist - April 23, 2010
Where do you get that from? Last time I checked, a talented QB with shoulder problems, a little bitch in clausen, guy who needs work on his throwing motion, and undersized QB from texas = not so great of a class.
AG7 - April 23, 2010
We mean last year and before the start of the offseason. With Clausen, Bradford, Teblow, Mallet, Locker, Snead and McCoy…all thought to be first round talent
The Licensed Pessimist - April 23, 2010
Right, my bad. Either way though, the fact of the matter is this class is not so great. I would like to see us draft defense as much as possible and go QB next year. I think it’s about time we put a defense out there that can, dare I say it, not end up as the one of the worst 5 in the NFL.
AG7 - April 23, 2010
I agree. My entire mentality was that we take a QB in the first, and surround that guy with offensive talent like a RT and WR, RB. If not, then focus our entire draft on the defense. So since we went CB in the first round(cry), I think we should be going for safety, pass rusher and DE with our next picks.
And it is funny how this QB class went from being the best every to one of the worst in recent memory.
The Licensed Pessimist - April 23, 2010
and why is this class any less proven or that much worse than 2009? 2011?
bross09 - April 23, 2010
we are talking a YEAR AGO. Bradford was a consensus top 5 pick by many if he came out last year. people had clausen as being a first rounder for 2010 after 2009. same with colt. don’t forget Locker, Snead and mallet.
bross09 - April 23, 2010
Understandable. We all have typos. Happens to me far to many times. I just thought the way that was put is funny.
Simmsinns - April 23, 2010
We honestly have no idea what next year’s class will be like. So much is going to happen between now and then. That shouldn’t affect our thinking one bit.
Buckeye Brad - April 23, 2010
Seasons are long and injuries happen. Hell, Locker could break his leg and never play again for all we know.
Kimble_79 - April 23, 2010
Once again, this just isn’t true. Next years draft class will include:
Jake Locker, Christian Ponder, Jerrod Johnson, Case Keenum, Jerrod Johnson, Ricky Stanzi, Pat Devlin, Greg McElroy.
And thats not even including possible Juniors.
gentryholdem - April 23, 2010
Ryan Mallett
AG7 - April 23, 2010
and what makes you think any of them will be as good as mccoy or clausen by this time next year? what if they aren’t?
Dawg Nuts - April 23, 2010
Clausen is a tool and McCoy has been overrated due to lack of talent at QB in this draft. I would loe to wait it out until next year.
AG7 - April 23, 2010
on what are you basing mccoy being overrated? his stellar numbers against big-time competition?
Dawg Nuts - April 23, 2010
Yeah he put up good numbers, so did Matt Grothe at USF. The fact of the matter is that I just don’t see him translating that into success at the NFL, just my opinion.
AG7 - April 23, 2010
Ricky Stanzi?!? Pat Devlin?!? These guys are better than McCoy and Clausen — are you kidding me??
And, yes, many things will happen in the next year which can change the prospect rankings. That is most certainly true.
Buckeye Brad - April 23, 2010
Well, you only had to go 6 into the list to find fault. So shrug. Plus no early entries on the list yet. Here’s a question for you Buckeye. If Terrelle Pryor shows consistency with his throwing motion would you rather have him as a late first rounder next year than anyone currently available?
gentryholdem - April 23, 2010
No, I want him to stay in school for 4 years and have two seasons where he looks good passing the ball. I am also interested in how he looks if Posey leaves for the NFL before he does, because Posey is sicknasty.
rufio - April 23, 2010
He sure is. Sicknasty. I like it.
Andrew Tolliver - April 23, 2010
That’s because I didn’t even know who the 3rd and 5th guys were, so I was only replying to the players I knew. But if you really think that all those players will be first or second round picks next year then you need to put down the crack pipe.
Buckeye Brad - April 23, 2010
Ha!
North Coast Flea - April 23, 2010
this.
bross09 - April 23, 2010
Stanzi?
you’re high.
rolub - April 23, 2010
Rec
Andrew Tolliver - April 23, 2010
except that he is projected as a 2nd to 3rd rounder by some for 2011
bross09 - April 23, 2010
Half of those QBs are awful. I mean, Greg McElroy, really? Have you seen him play? He’s half the QB Brodie Croyle was and Croyle isn’t any good.
Chief Wahoo - April 23, 2010
I think he purposely threw Jerrod Johnson in there twice to make it look like a more solid class. Either way I’d still like to hold off on a QB until next year.
AG7 - April 23, 2010
Any new rumors sprouting up in the last hour? I was out to lunch…
Andrew Tolliver - April 23, 2010
Well, we did hear that Jaws is in the middle of buying a home in Denver
Kimble_79 - April 23, 2010
If he rooms with Shady, it’ll be just like Bosom Buddies.
If he rooms with moon, it’ll be just likePerfect Strangers.
Either way, we have an 80’s sitcom in the making.
golanbatrac - April 23, 2010
Perfect Strangers was legit. I’m only 23 and it was one of my favorite shows. Ever.
Andrew Tolliver - April 23, 2010
Same age, same sentiment. rec
North Coast Flea - April 23, 2010
Also I’ll add that Balkey(sp?) was awesome in the Beverly Hills Cop series.
North Coast Flea - April 23, 2010
McCoy/Clausen interest at top of round is lukewarm
If Holmgren feels the same way, could draft BPA and use pair of 3’s to trade back into mid-2nd round to grab one.
rolub - April 23, 2010
Now that should be green.
LondonBrown - April 23, 2010
I don’t want them to draft a QB in the second. Chad Jones, Nate Allen, and Taylor Mays can possibly be starting safeties. The Browns need starters now, not 2 years from now. Use a 3rd on a QB.
A_James - April 23, 2010
I really like this idea. Michael Smith says we might be looking at safeties with our second pick. I like Nate Allen in there, our defense could be really a strength next year for us.
jaws. - April 23, 2010
Would love to get a safety here. Deep safety class, let’s take advantage.
Roger Dorn - April 23, 2010
Maybe we’ll take McCoy with out first 2nd rounder then trade back into the late 2nd to grab a safety.
emily522 - April 23, 2010
A lot of us are in agreement thats the way to go. Hopefully come back high enough to snag Mays.
Andrew Tolliver - April 23, 2010
This! I’d love to take Mays AND McCoy! I’d be ecstatic.
Simmsinns - April 23, 2010
then maybe pick up coleman in the third (a la your sig) and let them fight it out.
Andrew Tolliver - April 23, 2010
Honestly, I don’t care about Mays. I don’t have much of an opinion on him b/c I’ve never seen him play. I’ve heard some good, some bad.
emily522 - April 23, 2010
Sigh.
Buckeye Brad - April 23, 2010
+1
North Coast Flea - April 23, 2010
+100
gentryholdem - April 23, 2010
Reply fail.
Buckeye Brad - April 23, 2010
1st pick
They shouldn’t have wasted time tring to get bradford and should have delt with KC and got Berry .But thats over now and haden should help hopefully .If they take colt #2 iam going to commit harrycarry .I think
trouble d - April 23, 2010
There’s one more reason why I hope the Browns draft Colt McCoy.
Nat - April 23, 2010
Rec
TheDriveStillHurts - April 23, 2010
Why do you assume that they didn’t talk to Kansas City? Holmgren is on the record as saying that they’ve had discussions with everyone above them in the draft about the possibility of moving up.
woodsmeister - April 23, 2010
Dawg Nuts - April 23, 2010
HEY HEY!
Bernie19Kosar - April 23, 2010
Hari Kari
North Coast Flea - April 23, 2010
I’m assuming we’ll use our first third round pick on Kurt Coleman, but part of me hopes we also draft him in the second round, and then again in the third round, just to make sure he’s really ours.
joeee - April 23, 2010
2nd-3rd round picks
Browns NEED Impact players with 2nd round pick!
Dont need a 3rd string QB, to hold a clip board who wont play for a couple years!!!
I agree with a prev comment use one of our 3rd picks on a QB…
Get IMPACT Players now while they are available!! Common Sense, use it.
G
GeorgeS - April 23, 2010
Were you aware that Drew Brees was picked in the 2nd round? If McCoy/Clausen can be anything close to Brees, I don’t care if they sit for a year or two, I say take them now
Kimble_79 - April 23, 2010
Sigh, neither McCoy or Clausen had anything close to the college career Brees had so stop making that comparison.
gentryholdem - April 23, 2010
That’s simply false. Care to back that up with facts or are you just spouting out more nonsense?
Buckeye Brad - April 23, 2010
McCoy had more TD’s, same number of Int’s, a MUCH higher completion % (70% for McCoy to 61% for Brees), and more yards in fewer attempts than Brees. And McCoy’s rushing statistics were much better, too.
Not to mention the fact that McCoy won more games as a starting QB than anyone in college football history, for whatever that is worth.
Care to explain how that isn’t anywhere close to the career of Brees? Or are you going to keep posting crap and making ignorant jokes about his height?
Buckeye Brad - April 23, 2010
Game: Buckeye Brad
rufio - April 23, 2010
BB FTW!
Andrew Tolliver - April 23, 2010
But Brad, Brees played at Purdue! Purdue!
To be clear, I agree with you completely.
Chief Wahoo - April 23, 2010
Sarcasm noted.
Andrew Tolliver - April 23, 2010
I could maybe agree with Clausen, but thats just off the top of my head…
McCoy is only the winningest QB in FBS history. No big deal right?
Andrew Tolliver - April 23, 2010
didn’t you mean to say mcnugget?
Dawg Nuts - April 23, 2010
ummm, he wasn’t even nearly as accurate as McCoy.
http://www.purduesports.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/brees_drew00.html
McCoys are posted above. I’m pretty sure that resolves this argument about comparing them.
Kimble_79 - April 23, 2010
That statement is so groundless that I’ve decided I will no longer acknowledge your commentary. Good day.
danvail - April 23, 2010
I said GOOD DAY!
Andrew Tolliver - April 23, 2010
Wow.
This is all sorts of incorrect.
Bernie19Kosar - April 23, 2010
Big difference with Brees. He had a much better arm and was a better overall QB coming out of College. Dont forget however it wasnt until his 4th season that he had a decent year and it wasn’t until he got to N.O. (with actual receiving threats) that he became an elite QB.
jyoung12387 - April 23, 2010
Yes, but the point remains, he was a 2nd round pick with a 60% completion rating his last year in college. Point being you can find quality QB’s in the 2nd.
Kimble_79 - April 23, 2010
You don’t think McCoy could make an impact? Look at Sanchez. He sucked in college. Even Pete Carroll called him on it. Like Buckeye Brad has said, you won’t know unless you take a shot at a guy.
Andrew Tolliver - April 23, 2010
They have a starting QB, they don’t have a starting safety. I am of the belief that the QB should be one of the final pieces. Plus the QB depth in next years draft is supposed to be much better. Why draft a back up QB is you have a starting safety there? A back up for this year, at least.
Also, Delhomme had 1 bad, (horrible), year after a solid career. Everyone has written him off, but there is no reason he can’t give the Browns a couple solid years. There is just more pressing needs for the second round pick. People get too enamored with Quarterbacks.
A_James - April 23, 2010
I’m not writing him off. I was actually glad to see them bring in a vet like him. Why not get Colt and have Jake show him a thing or several. As long as those things don’t involve throwing interceptions.
Andrew Tolliver - April 23, 2010
I’d have to agree. Add Mays to our defense and all of a sudden it’s loaded with talent. Shore up the defense, accept another bad year from offense, get it done next year.
joeee - April 23, 2010
I’m sick of this attitude. I’m tired of “settling” for a bad year. Damnit we deserve better, and we deserve it NOW. “Next year” NEVER happens. We’re always supposed to get better next year and it bites us in the ass. Get better NOW and win NOW.
Andrew Tolliver - April 23, 2010
You don’t want to blow a high pick on guys you otherwise don’t like but are so desperate for their position. Some freak combination of Seneca and Delhomme will be acceptable – better than a.) not building in the high rounds in our many other positions of need and b.) getting stuck with a (potentially) unworkable, sucky quarterback. If you miss on that pick you are screwing yourself terribly.
joeee - April 23, 2010
You seriously think we are poised to make a Super Bowl run?
Let Holmgren build this thing the right way and we can have 5-10 “win now” years in the near future.
And no, I don’t care how long you’ve been a fan or how many losing seasons you’ve had to sit through. There’s a right way and a wrong way, let the Big Show do it the right way.
rufio - April 23, 2010
I didn’t say we were primed for the Super Bowl. We’re far from it, but if we make a move that gets us 3-5 more wins than we’ve gotten in the last 5 years (sans 07) I’d welcome it.
Andrew Tolliver - April 23, 2010
Sure, but I think improving the long-term status of the team is 100x more important right now.
I would not make that move to get 3-5 more wins right now if it meant mortgaging the future (i.e. trading our entire draft for Sam Bradford).
We have enough holes that a few of the guys we pick should be able to contribute right away (i.e. in nickel/dime packages as extra DBs or pass rushers) or start right away, AS WELL AS being primed for bigger roles later.
rufio - April 23, 2010
I think McCoy can do both. He’ll come in and play really well and be our QB of the future
Andrew Tolliver - April 23, 2010
I think I would want to sit him until at least after the bye. Holmgren knows what should happen better than I do, though.
rufio - April 23, 2010
I think people are giving too much credit to Holmgren. I understand the “there isn’t much i can do about it so Ill go with it” mentality. But there have been too many FO screw-up for me to believe that every move a FO makes is for the best of the team every time. I’m willing to bet that if one of us who follow football as a second job were in these execs positions, we’d probably do just as well
The Licensed Pessimist - April 23, 2010
The one thing he has that none of us could touch would be experience, which I think is important. I do think he knows quite a bit about football and will do better than any of us, though I think a few of us could surprise and not tank an NFL team.
That said, what I was referring to here is that Holmgren has and would potentially have access to the player that we don’t have. They’ve been able to interview McCoy, talk to him, talk to his coaches, they’ve been able to watch him in private workouts, they will be able to know exactly how ready he is if they draft him. We do not know any of that.
rufio - April 23, 2010
and our parents love us and God is good
DPS - April 23, 2010
So you’re all saying instead of setting up for the future now, you’d rather wait a year to set up for the future then?
Andrew Tolliver - April 23, 2010
The kid has his head in the right place too. He said last night that wherever he landed he was going to bust his ass to WIN GAMES. I’m sure he didn’t just mean this year.
Andrew Tolliver - April 23, 2010
Wait, I thought you wanted to pick a QB. Right? Aren’t those two views at odds?
Chemo - April 23, 2010
I guess we have differing opinions on this. I am of the opinion that Delhomme will be a solid QB for us while we find our franchise QB. However, I just don’t think you pass up a QB for a safety unless that safety is rated like Thomas or Berry was regardless of need.
Kimble_79 - April 23, 2010
Heckert has already said he will draft best player over need so I guess we will find out who he thinks is the best player available.
I will be fine with either way. I’d personally just like to see them sure up the secondary.
A_James - April 23, 2010
Haden and Brown help a lot. A whole lot. Still work to be done, yes, but its getting there faster than other places.
Andrew Tolliver - April 23, 2010
I agree with that. If the rumor of Brown to safety has any truth to it that makes a big difference too.
A_James - April 23, 2010
This. I am fine either way as well. I trust the new FO much more than any previous versions.
Kimble_79 - April 23, 2010
Using a 3rd round pick on a QB in this draft would be a waste.
Once again, why are so many people against drafting a QB because he won’t start right away. Who care?!?!? If he becomes a Pro Bowl QB in three years and leads us to the playoffs who’s going to care that he sat on the bench in his rookie year? Why MUST we draft somone to help us this year; we’re probably not making the playoffs anyways so why does it matter?
Buckeye Brad - April 23, 2010
If we want to wait for next year because its “so deep at QB”, we might as well draft Tony Pike. No point whatsoever.
Andrew Tolliver - April 23, 2010
We can debate whether next year’s QB class is going to be deep or not. Right now it looks like it will but theres a possibility that it wont be. What we do know is this: The 2010 draft class is a very strong class overall, but one of the positions where there is not that much talent is QB. Why take a position where the talent is weak when there are other players available that would be mid to late first rounders in an average draft (with our 2nd pick).
jyoung12387 - April 23, 2010
If other positions are so strong, then gues what . . . there will be good players at that position available in the 3rd round. There won’t be any good QB’s available then.
Buckeye Brad - April 23, 2010
i just don’t see how you figure that mccoy and claussen aren’t that talented. what do you base that on? it surely isn’t their performance.
and which of these “next year’s QBs” do you see as being so much better than the two options we have tonight?
Dawg Nuts - April 23, 2010
If McCoy & Mays are both there when we pick will we need to segregate the board?
Because it looks like there won’t be an OLB/DE candidate we can’t match in the third at that pick.
Devils Advocate, where art though?
LondonBrown - April 23, 2010
For us, McCoy > Mays. At least imo.
emily522 - April 23, 2010
I’m not a Mays fan~ all numbers, less production. But he intrigues me as a 2nd rounder.
I’m just worried that the QB draught has pushed McCoy too high, though I love some of the stuff I’m hearing about him.
Thankfully I have a date with a flagon of beer so I’ll have to leave you good people to fret over the pick whilst I head off to do less important things.
Cheers!
LondonBrown - April 23, 2010
We need to hang on to this.
Exactly how big is a flagon? I would love to drink one of those.
rufio - April 23, 2010
Usually a half gallon. So, exactly the right amount.
danvail - April 23, 2010
I think LB had that beer on his mind while he was typing up his opinions.
Chemo - April 23, 2010
I would like to see Ricky sapp in the third along with maybe a mccluster and jacoby ford. I think the difference between Mccoy/Clausen and maybe a Kafka or Pike is too little to waste a second round pick when they can be drafted in the fourth maybe
JBrownFan - April 23, 2010
THIS! Completely agree, but don’t know that McCluster will fall that far, he’s best available now, IMO.
AG7 - April 23, 2010
Don’t you mean MCNUGGET! HAH!
Oh, wait.
Chemo - April 23, 2010
sorry, but the difference between kafka and mccoy/claussen is as wide as romeo’s belly.
Dawg Nuts - April 23, 2010
Or Rob Ryan’s
Andrew Tolliver - April 23, 2010
Having a Browns QB named Kafka would almost be its own bitter reward
DPS - April 23, 2010
Absurd.
golanbatrac - April 23, 2010
Kafkaesque, rather
DPS - April 23, 2010
Kafka is not an NFL QB. Period.
Chief Wahoo - April 23, 2010
thank you.
Dawg Nuts - April 23, 2010
The Browns backfield as of right now is Hillis and Davis. Neither Harrison nor Vickers signed their tenders a Jennings may have punched himself off the team.
I’d like to see Anthony Dixon in the 3rd if available. Maybe Hardesty.
A_James - April 23, 2010
Vickers and Harrison pretty much have to sign their tenders. Or they can just miss out on lots of money and give other teams a big reason to lowball them when they hit FA (aka career suicide).
As for Jennings, who cares.
rufio - April 23, 2010
I like Sapp too. He has the size and speed to be a 3-4 OLB
jyoung12387 - April 23, 2010
Under every comment you will find the word reply. If you wish to reply…hit reply.
AG7 - April 23, 2010
Random, but am I the only one who thinks it’s weird that they’re selling a Robiskie jersey already? I have no problems with him but… why?
emily522 - April 23, 2010
He’ll get good burn this year.
gentryholdem - April 23, 2010
Walterfootball has the second round playing out like this:
Rams: Benn
Vikings: Cook
Bucs: Wooten
Chiefs: Clausen (makes sense, I guess?)
Eagles: Ghee
Us: McCoy : D
emily522 - April 23, 2010
Then he has us taking Damien Williams in the 3rd.
Haden, McCoy, and Williams? Yes.
emily522 - April 23, 2010
Somehow Coleman and/or Gibson would be nice as well.
Andrew Tolliver - April 23, 2010
I think I would enjoy having those three picks a lot. I don’t think I trust Walterfootball.
rufio - April 23, 2010
I don’t really, either. But I was just mentioning it.
And Coleman instead of Williams would be nice.
emily522 - April 23, 2010
I could live with that.
woodsmeister - April 23, 2010
Here is my mock draft for the next two days
ROUND 2: S
ROUND 3: DE/LB
ROUND 3: DE/LB
ROUND 3: OL
TRADE BOTH ROUND 5’S TO GET A 4TH AND TAKE A RECEIVER THAT WE WILL TRADE OR CUT IN TWO YEARS
ROUND 6: PAC 10 OFFICIAL (WE KNOW THEY PLAY FAVORITES AND WE NEED ALL THE HELP WE CAN GET)
ROUND 6: DONATE TO THE LIONS SO THE BROWNS CAN WRITE IT OFF AT THE END OF THE YEAR AS A CHARITABLE DONATION IN ORDER TO SAVE MONEY FOR A QB NEXT YEAR
eak3782 - April 23, 2010
Well I wasn’t going to listen, but since you capitalized everything I pretty much have to.
Touche, sir.
danvail - April 23, 2010
WHY ARE WE YELLING!?
SpecialBrownie - April 23, 2010
WHAT?!
woodsmeister - April 23, 2010
THAT’S A REALLY LOW PRICE!
danvail - April 23, 2010
WOW! THAT IS A REALLY LOW PRICE!!!
Bernie19Kosar - April 23, 2010
I KNOW!!
danvail - April 23, 2010
rec rec rec. SO FUNNY!!
Andrew Tolliver - April 23, 2010
I LOVE LAMP!
notthatnoise - April 23, 2010
Ok, well I’m out of here until draft time! My wonderful teacher is making us go to school tomorrow at 10 AM to take an AP Gov final. I need to do some serious cramming now. Later!
emily522 - April 23, 2010
Have fun with that. good luck.
Andrew Tolliver - April 23, 2010
Thanks, I need it.
emily522 - April 23, 2010
Fail. My AP tests were free and were done during school. We all then had “excuses” from our parents to leave.
We all went out to eat and laugh at the stupid people. Haha
SpecialBrownie - April 23, 2010
No, the final I’m taking tomorrow is for the class, not the official College Board AP exam. It’s kind of ridiculous to have to take essentially two AP finals, but oh well.
emily522 - April 23, 2010
this…one is bad enough
Kimble_79 - April 23, 2010
For a second, I thought you were telling her to fail her AP final. Weak.
Andrew Tolliver - April 23, 2010
Watching the draft at a bar up in the Appalachian Mtns, having a feeling I’ll be the only asking people to be quiet when the Browns pick…
GroundRuleTriple - April 23, 2010
I think a QB drops to us.
We need to keep the picks we have.
As always, if we get a crazy offer, like a first next year for our second this year, take the deal and walk away smiling.
I want a QB in the second round. If one gets to us, awesome. If one doesn’t, keep building the roster around the QB.
As much as I love McCoy, I wouldn’t shed a tear if we get Jimmy instead. As I see it right now there are 8 players available that I really like so we are in a great spot.
Bernie19Kosar - April 23, 2010
I’ll be disappointed if we don’t get one, but I don’t want to trade up really. I think one falls to us.
danvail - April 23, 2010
I only fear Buffalo and Carolina taking a QB.
Minnesota already passed on the QB’s once.
Bernie19Kosar - April 23, 2010
If they really want Brett back, I doubt they can draft a Qb this high.
rufio - April 23, 2010
I remember Brett being an ass to Aaron Rodgers.
Favre may do alot of things really good, grooming a young QB idoesn’t seem to be his thang.
Bernie19Kosar - April 23, 2010
I would hope that he doesn’t view the next young QB as a replacer, but a successor.
gahnki - April 23, 2010
He might be better about a young QB this time, but how much more enticing would it be if they drafted a WR or OT for him right now?
rufio - April 23, 2010
If I had to guess on MN, I think they go Mays or Price.
Bernie19Kosar - April 23, 2010
Valid point.
danvail - April 23, 2010
Maybe, but the Vikings are staring at a black hole at quarterback after Favre.
gahnki - April 23, 2010
Very true.
rufio - April 23, 2010
I still want Colt.
emily522 - April 23, 2010
I agree with pretty much all of this.
rufio - April 23, 2010
Can we start a new thread when the draft starts?
emily522 - April 23, 2010
How many comments do we have going right now?
Bernie19Kosar - April 23, 2010
300ish
emily522 - April 23, 2010
OK folks, I’m out. Going to try to beat whatever traffic is left to get home before the picks start. Wish me luck!
Andrew Tolliver - April 23, 2010
Michael Smith just reported on ESPN that the Browns are more likely to move back than up.
Awesome
Bernie19Kosar - April 23, 2010
If both Clausen and McCoy are there, then I’d love to see it.
danvail - April 23, 2010
I just have this feeling that we end up with Toby Gerhardt and Thaddeus Gibson. Gibson because TRSS must lose the bet, and Gerhardt because we are collecting white running backs.
gahnki - April 23, 2010
Gerhardt would be great
perfect combination with Harrison
BringBackKosar - April 23, 2010
We’d have a damn good depth if nothing else.
danvail - April 23, 2010
;-)
TheRealSlimShady - April 23, 2010
NFL draft at 3 in the afternoon. crazy.
BringBackKosar - April 23, 2010
Did the commish just say "lets get this party started"?
BringBackKosar - April 23, 2010
Smart pick by St Louis
gentryholdem - April 23, 2010
At this point, if the front office is sold on Clausen or McCoy then fine. I could live with BPA at this point.
JustBob - April 23, 2010
When Goddell said “Chris” I thought he was about to say “Colt” and I was like NOOOOOO.
emily522 - April 23, 2010
The thought of trading down is very enticing. There is a load of talent still left, so getting an extra pick would be great.
superbacker56 - April 23, 2010
If we can pick up an extra 4th rounder to move back 10 or 15 spots I’m ok with it.
gentryholdem - April 23, 2010
Too many commercials.
gentryholdem - April 23, 2010
Thats what I kept saying last night. I’d see “PICK IN” on the screen for 2-3 minutes sometimes but they drag it out to keep the pacing synchronized with commercials.
ouched - April 23, 2010
Good pick by the Bucs
BringBackKosar - April 23, 2010
If he works out there Defensive Line is set for 6 years now.
gentryholdem - April 23, 2010
saw a lot of his games in college
Dude’s a beast
BringBackKosar - April 23, 2010
When he plays.
woodsmeister - April 23, 2010
Reply fail.
woodsmeister - April 23, 2010
Man, if both Clausen AND McCoy are on the board I don’t see how you don’t try to trade down.
gentryholdem - April 23, 2010
We have so many options on the board. It would be crazy not to trade down. And I’m not just talking about the 2 QBs
superbacker56 - April 23, 2010
Damn McCluster is off the board.
skipkirk - April 23, 2010
Though I’m not so sure why we would want him. Just personal preference.
skipkirk - April 23, 2010
you posted this about 45 seconds before it was announced on my TV. maybe direcTV is behind.
Dawg Nuts - April 23, 2010
They showed him on the phone like a minute and a half before the pick was announced, so it was obvious at that point that he was the pick
superbacker56 - April 23, 2010
Same, I think he’s watching NFL network. They always announce early.
gentryholdem - April 23, 2010
Not the online feed. It’s behind my cable.
Monsters of the Midway - April 23, 2010
Yeah. NFL Network.
Alright, I’ll hold in the information for 50 seconds heh.
skipkirk - April 23, 2010
I wasn’t that high on him. we already have a quick elusive back with good hands in harrison.
bross09 - April 24, 2010
I wonder if Oakland’s going to take Clausen.
emily522 - April 23, 2010
whats his 40 time?
ouched - April 23, 2010
Mays. Bank on it.
golanbatrac - April 23, 2010
Oh, duh.
I think Buffalo will take Clausen then.
emily522 - April 23, 2010
I would be shocked be shocked if we don’t trade down. I’d be even more shocked if we took Clausen over McCoy. If we are indeed going to take a QB.
gentryholdem - April 23, 2010
I didn’t think there was any way Clausen was still on the board.
gentryholdem - April 23, 2010
I’m surprised to. He must have really rubbed a lot of personnel people the wrong way.
ouched - April 23, 2010
the guy’s an arrogant jerkoff. Its hard to go " oh yeah, lets get that asshole on board."
remember when he announced he was going to Notre Dame…at the College Football Hall of Fame? fter getting out of a stretch Hummer limo?
BringBackKosar - April 23, 2010
I have a feeling that your signature will be prophetic. We’ll pick him with our first pick in the 5th.
TheDriveStillHurts - April 23, 2010
one can only hope
BringBackKosar - April 23, 2010
I love how Kiper and Gruden are getting SO UPSET that Clausen has yet to be picked. Taking it as a personal affront. So pointless.
DrewskiC - April 23, 2010
gotta give mcshay credit for calling Clausen’s fall, as much as i hate him
sww2109 - April 23, 2010
When did round two start?
golanbatrac - April 23, 2010
6 p.m. EST
Monsters of the Midway - April 23, 2010
Thanks a lot Pokorny!
golanbatrac - April 23, 2010
6pm on the dot.
gentryholdem - April 23, 2010
ah, the joys of the Pacific Time Zone….
BringBackKosar - April 23, 2010
Reported as 6:30 PM on most websites, dunno why it started @ 6.
Chris Pokorny - April 23, 2010
Ok, now we absolutely should be trading down. Please please please trade down
superbacker56 - April 23, 2010
you just have to be careful that whoever you trade to doesn’t take the guy you want.
notthatnoise - April 23, 2010
but that is the point, there are so many options for us right now that i would be happy with. Trade down and get an extra pick. it makes sense if they can work it out
superbacker56 - April 23, 2010
Every single guy I wanted is still on the board. And the QB everyone else seemed to want is also there. To Nugget, or not to Nugget? That is the question!
gentryholdem - April 23, 2010
Here we go….
emily522 - April 23, 2010
so many options – TOO MANY OPTIONS
DrewskiC - April 23, 2010
complete opposite of the first round.
notthatnoise - April 23, 2010
TRADE DOWN.
gentryholdem - April 23, 2010
Yes, let’s just trade down until we own the entire 7th round!!!
TheDriveStillHurts - April 23, 2010
trade down with Buffalo and pick up a fifth rounder
Bumblyjack - April 23, 2010
Gotta love ESPN, Noteable defenders: BMac?
North Coast Flea - April 23, 2010
lol, just goes to show how much they actually know about the teams.
Monsters of the Midway - April 23, 2010
probably picked a name at random
BringBackKosar - April 23, 2010
they had cribbs as our top WR
notthatnoise - April 23, 2010
Michael Smith is talking T.J. Ward, safety out of Oregon.
Monsters of the Midway - April 23, 2010
I think Kiper’s mom picked out his tie.
North Coast Flea - April 23, 2010
I think GLAAD picked his tie
BringBackKosar - April 23, 2010
Did she do his hair as well?
Monsters of the Midway - April 23, 2010
PICK IS IN
DrewskiC - April 23, 2010
Jim Brown!
BringBackKosar - April 23, 2010
Ward
WarWolf - April 23, 2010
huh. ooooooooooooooooookay….
BringBackKosar - April 23, 2010
Who?
North Coast Flea - April 23, 2010
3rd rated safety. Big kid. Good speed. Lots of upside. Kind of a classic . Kind of a classic Heckert pick. They scout hard and pick their guy.
gentryholdem - April 23, 2010
WHO THE HELL IS THIS???
emily522 - April 23, 2010
I said the same thing in less words.
North Coast Flea - April 23, 2010
Just because Mel Kiper didn’t talk about him doesn’t mean he can’t play.
Monsters of the Midway - April 23, 2010
I never said that.
emily522 - April 23, 2010
oh man, now what happens? not that many more teams with a need at QB
notthatnoise - April 23, 2010
Browns selected Jim Brown ! Great pick!
WarWolf - April 23, 2010
WOO! YEAH!
notthatnoise - April 23, 2010
WARD WHO!?
macdowellm03 - April 23, 2010
Ward Cleaver
WarWolf - April 23, 2010
should of traded down…….could of gotten this guy a round from now
superbacker56 - April 23, 2010
I swear. If I hear that one more time, I am going to scream. You can’t just “trade down” — it is not an option if you don’t have a partner.
TheDriveStillHurts - April 23, 2010
I am going to kick my sleeping brother if I hear it another time.
skipkirk - April 23, 2010
We should have traded down.
golanbatrac - April 23, 2010
He’s in pain and utterly confused now.
skipkirk - April 23, 2010
Excellent.
golanbatrac - April 23, 2010
We should hav taded down (can we get a video on youtube?)
Brownsfan4ever - April 23, 2010
what do you think? we probably should of traded down huh?
superbacker56 - April 23, 2010
there are 31 other teams. unless we got a firm no from every single one, then the option still should of been pursued. its better than reaching for somebody that wouldn’t go for another round
superbacker56 - April 23, 2010
You going to call 31 teams in 7 minutes?
woodsmeister - April 23, 2010
If everyone says no right away it’s a possibility. lol
North Coast Flea - April 23, 2010
i would of been calling for the last hour hour. you dont wait until you are on the clock to talk to other teams………
superbacker56 - April 23, 2010
Yeah, and you don’t know both QBs have fallen to you UNTIL YOU ARE ON THE CLOCK.
woodsmeister - April 23, 2010
stop being ridiculous. you plan ahead. call and set something up and if they are still there then finalize it. its not that tough.
superbacker56 - April 23, 2010
Stop being ridicuous yourself. If it were so damn easy to trade down, everybody would do it a hell of a lot more often than they do.
woodsmeister - April 23, 2010
well if everyone waited until they were on the clock like you seem to think is the only way to do it, then there would be no such thing as trading down.
superbacker56 - April 23, 2010
My point is that you can’t plan for every contingency in advance. If somebody wanted the Browns pick, they would have called the Browns. Generally, trading down is initiated by the team that wants your pick. You can have an idea of who might want your pick, you can feel teams out about whether they might want your pick, but you can’t know the exact situation of your pick until you are on the clock.
Don’t you think that Heckert and Holmgren have done their homework?
woodsmeister - April 23, 2010
Not a round. But may have been there 10-15 picks from now. Lots of teams need safeties.
gentryholdem - April 23, 2010
you can’t always trade down…plus sometimes you just go get your guy.
bross09 - April 24, 2010
Called it, and everyone doubted me — we weren’t going to take a QB in the first two rounds because our brass just was not convinced by any of them (other than Bradford).
TheDriveStillHurts - April 23, 2010
I like the pick! I’m guessing this guy is better than Mays.
Simmsinns - April 23, 2010
more instinctive. has more of a nose for the ball.
bross09 - April 24, 2010
i am now extremely disappointed. a have to fall back on “in holmgren we trust” more than ever now. who the hell is this guy?
Dawg Nuts - April 23, 2010
interesting…they opt for the versatile cover S instead of the heavy hitters with bad hips
Bumblyjack - April 23, 2010
Okay – both QBs were on the board and we went with a safety. Looks like the Bills have their choice of QB in this round.
woodsmeister - April 23, 2010
from Pro Football Weekly
“thrives on physicality and shows big time striking abilty as a tackler-aggressive in run support. Shows urgency and closing burst in pursuit. Good football temperament. Comfortable in zone. Versitile-plays both safety spots. Good character and work ethic.”
BringBackKosar - April 23, 2010
I’m surprised they would pass over Mays. They must have really liked their scouting looks. But hey, we needed a safety. Now we have 3 solid corners and a big hitting safety.
gentryholdem - April 23, 2010
His former coach has passed on Mays. Twice.
woodsmeister - April 23, 2010
mays is not an instinctive player at all. instincts are one of those things you just can’t teach and his are pretty terrible in coverage.
bross09 - April 24, 2010
Just because you may not have heard of a guy doesn’t mean he’s not any good.
Simmsinns - April 23, 2010
I rushed home and faught traffic, turned tv on just in time, and we got who? WTF!!!!!
Brownie's Year - April 23, 2010
well, at least our secondary will be great (?) maybe
sww2109 - April 23, 2010
I remember him against USC. Dude’s got skills.
BringBackKosar - April 23, 2010
I see “durability issues” and think… BUST… but… I think that everytime i see durability issues
macdowellm03 - April 23, 2010
yeah if adrian peterson taught us anything, its that injury issues mean bust!
notthatnoise - April 23, 2010
Like Steve Young said, because so many are passing on Clausen and McCoy it really is some sort of statement that these guys aren’t wanted.
We could have traded down if other teams were worried we were going to snag a QB. But nobody called.
skipkirk - April 23, 2010
We just got a safety with injury issues.
FO knows more than me, though.
emily522 - April 23, 2010
He had the knee injury in 2006? So long as it didn’t bother him recently I’m cool with that.
skipkirk - April 23, 2010
emily522 - April 23, 2010
he had some major knee surgeries, then was completely healthy for 2+ years afterward and got a high ankle sprain. I am fine with it.
bross09 - April 24, 2010
I like this part of the article "Some teams may pass on him due to his injury history. But Ward should be able to come in and immediately contribute nicely on special teams and challenge for a starting spot as a rookie. "
Also, didn’t mean to put words in your mouth earlier. Hope you didn’t take offense.
Monsters of the Midway - April 23, 2010
No I didn’t.
emily522 - April 23, 2010
Guy was a walk-on too.
BringBackKosar - April 23, 2010
Listen, I know SO LITTLE ABOUT ANY OF THESE GUYS. I will trust all these mid round picks, for now.
DrewskiC - April 23, 2010
er, well, this wasnt exactly mid-round, but ya’ll get me.
DrewskiC - April 23, 2010
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pd6Hp5uiJgM
Pair this with Sheldon Browns’ hit on Reggie Bush and we have a scary hitting set of DBs.
jharbdo - April 23, 2010
They want to be able to run man and blitz. After these 2 picks they won’t have a problem with that anymore. And with the cold northern climate woe to the passing offenses that come into town.
gentryholdem - April 23, 2010
Woah woah woah, these guys haven’t even made it through training camp yet, let’s give it some time.
rufio - April 23, 2010
Browns are undefeated right now. Don’t rain on the optimism! haha
Monsters of the Midway - April 23, 2010
Damn that was nasty.
StuckInPa - April 23, 2010
Benn to the Bucs
woodsmeister - April 23, 2010
And my heart breaks.
Chemo - April 23, 2010
Did the right thing going for a safety, but Mays was the right option. Hopefully I’m proven wrong. I’m VERY excited to see what we can make happen with our 3rd round picks. Crossing my fingers for a solid QB.
troy145 - April 23, 2010
I disagree with you. Mays just doesn’t have the pure instincts and coverage skills to be a safety right away. mays is more intriguing but ward is more likely to be a very solid player.
bross09 - April 24, 2010
Hey its that guy from Ace Ventura
BringBackKosar - April 23, 2010
You just might get your LeFevour now.
gentryholdem - April 23, 2010
It’s definitely possible.
emily522 - April 23, 2010
Sweet.
BringBackKosar - April 23, 2010
Hell, at this rate we might just have our choice of McCoy or Clausen in the third.
woodsmeister - April 23, 2010
no way they’re falling that far. don’t see it.
Dawg Nuts - April 23, 2010
How many people saw them falling this far?
woodsmeister - April 23, 2010
fair enough, i’m just not seeing it.
Dawg Nuts - April 23, 2010
Buffalo passed on both QBs as well.
woodsmeister - April 23, 2010
I called Colt falling to late 2nd/early 3rd last night.
TheDriveStillHurts - April 23, 2010
I feel like we’re going to make a trade late second round.
emily522 - April 23, 2010
im a homer.
but even still, Troy QB Levi Brown is better than Dan, and he showed it in their bowl game in Mobile.
troy145 - April 23, 2010
his skill set is similar to that of Earl Thomas (though somewhat worse but still starting S caliber):
shorter, fluid hips, can play S & nickel CB & trail position, makes up for smaller stature with physicality, ballhawk, good awareness in coverage
where he differs for Thomas is his injury history and lesser speed
Bumblyjack - April 23, 2010
Walterfootball gave us a F, not that I give a crap really.
emily522 - April 23, 2010
walterfootball not only is crap but definitely has an anti-cleveland bias.
bross09 - April 24, 2010
by the way, I was looking up at walterfootball and he gave the San Francisco 49ers an F with anthony davis and a D with Iupati. I completely disagree. I am starting to tune out walterfootball because it is very single minded analysis that goes more by what HE likes and cannot comprehend the strategies of other teams. it was obvious to me that SF wanted to be a smashmouth team and they drafted well for that.
bross09 - April 24, 2010
I like that we went Ward over Mays, but I felt this was a reach. Hopefully he plays well for us. Dude can hit.
rufio - April 23, 2010
All I know, is what I saw when he played USC, but Im stoked.
BringBackKosar - April 23, 2010
Its the Walrus.
is Mangini the Eggman?
BringBackKosar - April 23, 2010
I’m liking the pick now. We still have 3 more tonight. This is awesome.
Brownie's Year - April 23, 2010
Only because I remembered who he was. Solid player.
Brownie's Year - April 23, 2010
Check him out: HERE
And then: HERE
I like this pick. Love going defense twice too.
Simmsinns - April 23, 2010
Love going secondary twice. Physical players! Love it
Roger Dorn - April 23, 2010
will clausen EVER get drafted?
sww2109 - April 23, 2010
I like the pick.
1. We passed on Claussen.
2. We filled a position of desperate need.
3. Defense, defense, defense. Wins games.
golanbatrac - April 23, 2010
This. A million times this. Every point, I agree 110%.
Simmsinns - April 23, 2010
Our DBs are looking pretty decent.
Brownie's Year - April 23, 2010
Definitely the most improved in the league. Added Brown, Haden, and now Ward. We’ll be blitzing…. a LOT.
gentryholdem - April 23, 2010
Kind of agree.
emily522 - April 23, 2010
1. I hope Clausen’s draft slide humbles him and we pick him in the 3rd.
2. Yes, now we hopefully have a legit NFL defensive backfield.
3. Just get players. Scoring more points than your opponent wins games.
rufio - April 23, 2010
YES
Roger Dorn - April 23, 2010
Hey guys, just wanted to give you guys a quick primer on TJ Ward from Addicted to Quack.
-Like is already being said, dude hits hard. Real hard.
-He’s got a great football mind, especially when compared to a player like Taylor Mays, who’s pretty stupid.
-He doesn’t have great cover skills, but he’s got good instincts to the ball.
-I wouldn’t be too concerned with durability. He missed five games last year, but was a sturdy player in all other aspects of his career.
You guys got a good one.
Takimoto - April 23, 2010
That’s comforting to know! Thanks for the info!
emily522 - April 23, 2010
guys a beast
Tom Bloom - April 23, 2010
Thanks.
golanbatrac - April 23, 2010
Thx guys
Brownie's Year - April 23, 2010
thanks for the info. you took a little of the sting out of it.
Dawg Nuts - April 23, 2010
Excellent comment.
TheDriveStillHurts - April 23, 2010
Thanks for stopping by!
What gives you the impression that he is a smart player, anything specific?
rufio - April 23, 2010
He does a great job of keeping the game in front of him, limits his mental errors on the field, and he’s just a really articulate and intelligent guy.
Takimoto - April 23, 2010
Sounds like a ‘Mangini guy’ to me.
rufio - April 23, 2010
another “green sticker” player?
Bumblyjack - April 23, 2010
I dunno if mays is stupid. I think he does give effort and I heard he does try to watch tape. however, I have seen ward and he just has tremendous instincts like you said. instincts have to do with football mind (FBI, football intelligence) and instincts are something you can’t teach.
bross09 - April 24, 2010
Wow I can’t believe that the QB need teams didn’t draft one yet in the 2nd.
3PON Nemo - April 23, 2010
sooo QB now?
Tom Bloom - April 23, 2010
Don’t use the title line — it’s distracting.
TheDriveStillHurts - April 23, 2010
okay
couldn’t resist
Tom Bloom - April 23, 2010
it really isn’t. you guys all just have cold-weather induced ADD
troy145 - April 23, 2010
Flag.
rufio - April 23, 2010
recced your flag
North Coast Flea - April 23, 2010
flagged your rec of his flag
golanbatrac - April 23, 2010
you guys are distracting me.
troy145 - April 23, 2010
a little bold lettering and i’m pretty sure that my comment caused a minor uproar… or was it the ward pick?
Tom Bloom - April 23, 2010
not really. the community around here just doesn’t really like me.
troy145 - April 23, 2010
I don’t like it that you just said I had cold-weather induced ADD.
rufio - April 23, 2010
didn’t mean to hurt your feelings. just good natured ribbing, really didn’t think it’d be a big deal.
troy145 - April 23, 2010
Well can you see how my not liking that comment could be confused with “the community around here not liking you”?
rufio - April 23, 2010
yes.
but still im not really well liked around here. which is just as well. ive never been to a browns game, or cleveland, or ohio, or north of the mason-dixon line.
troy145 - April 23, 2010
I don’t care where you are from or where you go. I care if you root for the Browns and will make good contributions here. Some of your stuff after this has been quite funny.
rufio - April 23, 2010
we’re really not, its just that you went to troy and don’t understand things.
Dawg Nuts - April 23, 2010
Rec
BringBackKosar - April 23, 2010
you guys are really sensitive.
troy145 - April 23, 2010
and apparently you can’t spot a joke.
Dawg Nuts - April 23, 2010
….or was i joking?
troy145 - April 23, 2010
Don’t know…Holmgren was just interviewed and I got the impression he was going to wait until much later to select a QB and then work on developing him.
jharbdo - April 23, 2010
smokescreen.
Dawg Nuts - April 23, 2010
Agree
emily522 - April 23, 2010
Agreed. Just can’t tell if it’s a smokescreen for the smokescreen that covered the original smokescreen. :-P
jharbdo - April 23, 2010
this is making kiper look like such an idiot, i love it
sww2109 - April 23, 2010
No one knows about the draft. If they did, they’d be GMs
Brownie's Year - April 23, 2010
WOW, Buffalo passed on the QBs.
gentryholdem - April 23, 2010
that should tell you something
siejecy - April 23, 2010
I’m following the draft on a computer that’s so old that it’s an abacus and I knew that Buffalo passed on both QBs five minutes ago.
golanbatrac - April 23, 2010
Why Ward before Burnett/Jones?
The Licensed Pessimist - April 23, 2010
knock on Jones is he’s not physical enough
BringBackKosar - April 23, 2010
They wanted a big hitter. That seems to be the pattern. They want physical DBs.
gentryholdem - April 23, 2010
why not Mays?
The Licensed Pessimist - April 23, 2010
mays is terrible in man coverage and has terrible instincts and pretty poor football intelligence. he has the physical skills but doesn’t play controlled. he is strong and a good tackler but not a consistent one. mays is the kind of guy who COULD be a great player if coached up a lot for 3-4 years but could very well bust.
bross09 - April 24, 2010
Bigger surprise here is Kindle not getting drafted yet. QB’s fall a lot, but a solid D guy like Kindle falling like this. Must have something real wrong with him.
TheDriveStillHurts - April 23, 2010
Kindle sucks, thats why
The Licensed Pessimist - April 23, 2010
Wow. Just wow.
rufio - April 23, 2010
Kindle’s combine doesn’t make up for his mediocre season production. Last year the draft was lacking in good DTs. This year its lacking in OLB/DE(besides graham/hughes)
The Licensed Pessimist - April 23, 2010
Did you watch him rush the passer? He needs to do better against the run, but if he had healthy knees he’d be long gone by now. Which is more than I can say for other players you’ve vouched for.
rufio - April 23, 2010
“every film I pick up, Sergio Kindle dominates”—Jon Gruden.
I am mad that Baltimore got this kid.
rufio - April 23, 2010
I washed him get washed play after play. I watched him accumulate 4 sacks last year. He’s got athleticism and a good motor, but he’s far from a sure thing
The Licensed Pessimist - April 23, 2010
washing a guy seems kind of creepy.
Dawg Nuts - April 23, 2010
You washed Sergio Kindle? Did you get behind the ears and beneath the junk?
golanbatrac - April 23, 2010
Word is he needs microfracture surgery. That could do it.
rufio - April 23, 2010
Wow. Ward can hit.
TheDriveStillHurts - April 23, 2010
Roy Williams cam hit. So can Mays. Doesn’t mean much on the field
The Licensed Pessimist - April 23, 2010
OK.
TheDriveStillHurts - April 23, 2010
but both of those guys don’t have the instincts ward does and they make bad reads in coverage. they have the physical skills to be good cover guys but they just don’t have the instincts and its hard to teach that.
bross09 - April 24, 2010
ESPN you have failed me again.
North Coast Flea - April 23, 2010
I swear to god. Everytime I see Ray he is wearing a yellow suit.
gentryholdem - April 23, 2010
dont be jealous of the timeless SEVEN BUTTON SUIT.
DrewskiC - April 23, 2010
Baltimore Raiders?
DrewskiC - April 23, 2010
The GREAT Ray Lewis? is he standing behind the Ray Lewis wearing the pimp suit?
BringBackKosar - April 23, 2010
Baltimore takes Kindle… hmm
danvail - April 23, 2010
Good situation for him, I suppose.
danvail - April 23, 2010
The best team he could have been drafted by.
gentryholdem - April 23, 2010
FUCK RAY LEWIS!
Brownie's Year - April 23, 2010
don’t say that, he could end up witnessing your murder
Tom Bloom - April 23, 2010
rec. hilarious.
Dawg Nuts - April 23, 2010
You’ll know what to say if I am ever murdered. Just mention his name.
Brownie's Year - April 23, 2010
please watch
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9XZDzOGFXts
Tom Bloom - April 23, 2010
saying the name of my own team fail.
Dawg Nuts - April 23, 2010
How did the Pats get FIVE 2nd round picks??
TheDriveStillHurts - April 23, 2010
They’ve traded down in the first every year since I was 4 years old. Belicheck was trading New England first rounders when he was still coach of the Browns!
gentryholdem - April 23, 2010
Funny, but true.
Simmsinns - April 23, 2010
NEW OPEN GAME THREAD LOCATED HERE
Chris Pokorny - April 23, 2010
NEW OPEN GAME THREAD LOCATED HERE
Chris Pokorny - April 23, 2010
NEW OPEN GAME THREAD LOCATED HERE
Chris Pokorny - April 23, 2010
we get it haha
notthatnoise - April 23, 2010
haha, I just do it because quickly scrolling eyes might miss it.
Chris Pokorny - April 23, 2010
so are we out of picks for the day?
Browns87 - April 23, 2010
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