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golanbatrac - March 21, 2010 reply

I’ll take him at 7 please.

That guy can’t hold a job. Look at all the companies he worked for.

I went pretty gut feeling on this. hopefully a large sample size will average out my ignorance.

notthatnoise - March 21, 2010 reply

also, is there any way we can see the results of this as we go?

notthatnoise - March 21, 2010 reply

+1, that would be nice.

Simmsinns - March 21, 2010 reply

I couldn’t even figure out how to make a forced ranking poll that calculated this for me, so I do it manually in Excel. So sorry, but I don’t have the time (or knowledge) to provide real time updates.

If anyone knows how to do this and can help me figure it out, by all means, lets do it.

That’s understandable.

yeah I figured it would be pretty hard to do unless the website already offered that functionality.

Thanks for taking the survey. Now create your own – It’s free, quick and easy.

Screw off SurveyMonkey.

Brownie's Year - March 21, 2010 reply

is this round by round or top 5 for the first round?

The end result will be a linear draft board—players 1 through whatever we get to. It is not a mock draft, or a “who should be pick at what spot”, the issue is the ranking of players in the order that the Browns should draft them if they are available.

So if DBN were running the actual Browns’ draft, all we would do is select the highest ranked player on our board that is still available.

This is probably the coolest thing I’ve ever seen. Props for the idea, rufio!

Thanks. Hopefully we can do better than last year in terms of predicting the performance of the rookies.

Mine is

1. Berry
2. Suh
3. Dez – I know people hate on this guy, but you can’t deny his talent. His character concerns are overrated, too.
4. Thomas- FS or CB, may have better potential and versatility than…
5. Haden

TheRealSlimShady - March 21, 2010 reply

I can hate on him for other reasons. I still don’t trust his deep speed and unless I see a really good number at the combine, I still am not going to trust it.

I don’t trust his route running. He didn’t run a lot of pro routes. His Dig and curl routes are a couple that didn’t look great to me.

I am not sold on his elusiveness or open field running. From what I saw, he only had an average initial burst off the line and that might hurt at creating separation.

He is the best WR in the draft, but He is not top 5 on my big board.

He always got deep separation, I put more value in that than in a combine number.

Percy Harvin and Michael Crabtree were supposed to be awful route runners, they did great. Robiskie was supposed to be the best route runner, and he didn’t do well.

He was elusive enough to create a lot of YAC and he was a good punt and kick returner.

TheRealSlimShady - March 21, 2010 reply

He didn’t always get deep separation. first of all no player ALWAYS gets deep sparation. I truly am not sold on his speed.

yeah. lets use an outlying example to prove a point. Bad route runners sometimes do well in the pros, but more often than not don’t. Just because a good route runner did poorly, and a bad route runner did well, doesn’t mean that the rule is invalid. the reasoning is invalid. I am not saying he won’t be good his rookie year either.

he to me didn’t look overly elusive when I saw him. his YAC production was decent, but not great.

so because he is a punt and kick returner he is atomatically the most elusive guy out there?

Outliers? Please.

The WRs last year that had route running concerns drafted early still did well.

well. austin collie was a crisp route runner and look at him.

the point is, you can take examples of guys that do well and are bad route runners. you can take examples of guys who were good route runners that don’t do well. does this mean route running doesn’t matter? no. you cannot judge a WHOLE GROUP on A FEW examples.

that is what going by outliers means.

You know what, drew brees doesn’t have a strong arm, jay cutler does. Brees>>>Cutler. does that mean Arm strength doesn’t matter? it does in many ways.

you can ALWAYS find an example where someone doesn’t fit the general rule. does that mean you should ignore the rule?

Do WRs stop learning how to run routes once they hit the NFL?

Do they forget how to get open?

No.

I think it is dumb however to point to Harvin and Crabtree, and then Robo and say that route running doesn’t matter.

Mine:

1. Berry
2. Suh
3. Haden
4. G. McCoy
5. Pierre-Paul

Simmsinns - March 21, 2010 reply

1. Haden
2. Berry
3. Iupata
4. Suh
5. Okung

golanbatrac - March 21, 2010 reply

1. Suh
2. Berry
3. Iupati
4. D. Morgan
5. Price

1. berry
2. bradford
3. suh
4. okung
5. haden

Dawg Nuts - March 22, 2010 reply

1. Bradford
2. Berry
3. Suh
4. McCoy
5. Haden

danvail - March 22, 2010 reply

1. Berry
2. Suh
3. Haden
4. Thomas
5. Iupati

1. Bradford
2. Berry
3. Haden
4. Wilson
5. D. Morgan

not even listing Suh?

I have no faith in JPP as a prospect. he doesn’t wow me in any way.

Berry

Thomas

Bradford

Suh

Haden

Suh
Okung
Berry
Bradford
McCoy

Matt Y. - March 21, 2010 reply

We do so not need a tackle at #7. Bad second choice my friend.

he may have been raking them in a BPA way and not need. I ranked mine combining both but focusing more on need…how you rank them is not a set rule.

Well, of course. But there is a point where BPA is not necessarily anything you need. We don’t need a RT at #7. That’s a terrible, terrible pick even for BPA.

I wouldn’t be upset at Bulaga at 7.

I know it wouldn’t be of value, but if he is the BPA, I have no qualms with fixing RT for the next 7 or so years.

Of our last 11 first round draft picks, we have two still with this team. Joe Thomas and Alex Mack. Offensive lineman hold their value. That is why I had Iupati so high on my board. We need a solid pick at 7, and offensive lineman are always solid.

Bulaga was my #2 pick.

I can see Lupati, we need interior lineman. I just don’t think a RT at 7 is good.

I think Davis would be the best RT in this class. I think he will actually be the best tackle in this class whichever side he gets put at.

He certainly has that kind of potential. He’s got to answer questions about his work ethic, and he can only do that over the course of his NFL career.

oh. I was thinking Suh (wasn’t sure O tackle or D Tackle).

I don’t agree either, I was just pointing out the logic behind it.

Berry
Haden
Brian Price
Iupati
Brandon Graham

jaws. - March 21, 2010 reply

Suh
Berry
McCoy
Bulaga
Morgan

(Honorable mention to Haden)

mjmarble - March 21, 2010 reply

Bradford
Berry
Morgan
Mays
Bryant

kminnich43 - March 22, 2010 reply

Mays over Haden? wow.

Tim Couch
Courtney Brown
Gerard Warren
William Green
Braylon Edwards

When I saw the first name, I was like WTF?!?!??!?!?!??!?!?!?

Don’t forget Chaun Thompson. the guy who wasn’t good at a D2 school.

or sebastian Janikowski.

Did the Browns draft those guys in the first?

It was a joke I was making about horrible draft picks. if butch davis had the 32nd pick, he might have taken thompson in that draft.

I thought we were just naming terrible picks…

Yes

Grockcubs - March 22, 2010 reply

you’re a fool. how did you forget jeff faine?

Dawg Nuts - March 22, 2010 reply

Disregard this. It’s a hyperlinked picture fail.

I didn’t forget about him. Since it’s a list of FIVE players, he was merely just sacrificed.

How do I rec this?

Would it be considered selfish to tell him?

Brownie's Year - March 23, 2010 reply

no way

Since it has one rec already, I would feel uncomfortable telling someone how to green my post.

Brownie's Year - March 23, 2010 reply

By the way, I should mention that I love this idea. We need a link to last years final board so we can see how we stacked up.

Here is last year’s final DBN Big Board
Top 5:

1. Aaron Curry, LB, Wake Forest
2. Brian Orakpo, DE/OLB, Texas
3. Michael Crabtree, WR, Texas Tech
4. Beanie Wells, RB, the Ohio State University
5. Rey Maualuga, LB, USC

…Wow.

Alex Mack finished at the 22nd spot. I’d say, collectively, we all got that wrong.

Well, technically he went at pick 21 overall, but based on effectiveness and production, we were happily surprised?

coulda had maualuga in the second…. damn mangini refusing to draft achoholics

Not without trading future picks, we couldn’t have.

golanbatrac - March 22, 2010 reply

he got picked after we picked robiskie

I got Lauranitis and Maualuga mixed up.

golanbatrac - March 22, 2010 reply

I still find that slightly upsetting. Just knowing JL turned out to be the second best linebacker from that draft. Behind only Brain Cushing.

I’m confident that if the rams had passed we would have picked Laurenaitis. Maualuga is just as good but tons of teams passed because they knew he was a drunk. Or so the rumor goes.

TheDriveStillHurts - March 22, 2010 reply

Maualuga is just as good

No, he is not. Really, it’s not even close.

My understanding was that he was passed over because teams didn’t trust his on field decision making.

He is out of position a lot.

+1

x2

Mr Orange - March 22, 2010 reply

÷ 3

danvail - March 23, 2010 reply

(X+4)2=1(3x)

I hate Matrices.

seconded, but i can’t get away from them

The only Math I needed to take in College was Algebra II for a semester since I’m a Social Studies teacher. I’m done with it for life now.

It still pissed me off though because I already had a Pre – Calc credit from my Junior year of High School and apparently it didn’t count. So why the hell did I take it?

I’ve had to take calc 3, diff EQ, and about a million physics classes that all use complicated math. the strange thing is I feel comfortable with things like double integrals and multiple partial derivatives but I’m still scared of matrices.

Yeah I got my degree in Mechanical Engineering and I’m in the exact same boat.

You mean Monomials, Binomials, Trinomials aren’t used in teaching about Native Americans?

Brownie's Year - March 23, 2010 reply

NOT POSSIBLE!

TheRealSlimShady - March 24, 2010 reply

I would say Clay Matthews is much better than JL.

That’s coming from a Buckeye fan.

I think that’s completely and totally wrong, especially with the words “much better” being used.

Why do say that?

Just for reference
Player A: 16 starts, 120 tackles (107 solo), 2 sacks, 2 interceptions, 5 passes defended
Player B: 16 starts, 50 tackles (36 solo), 10 sacks, 0 interceptions, 7 passes defended

For the record, the do play completely different styles of linebacker. Mathews primarily being a pass rushing OLB, in the 3-4, on a team with great pass coverage (Charles Woodson having a career year), finishing 5th in the league. Laurinaitis being a MLB in the 4-3, forced to anchor the team’s defense, also showing the ability to pick the ball off.

and he shows the ability to occasionally get to the QB.

I agree with you. they are 2 completely different positions. It is truly like comparing apples to oranges.

If you put JL as a 3-4 OLB, he would NOT get 10 sacks (but may get more solo tackles)

If you put Clay at the 4-3 MLB, he would not get close to 100 solo tackles (but might get a couple more sacks).

While they are both linebackers they have 2 completely different roles, positions, and skill sets. neither one can do the other’s job better.

It is like comparing people who have jobs in a similar market or area of the market, but the responsibilities are completely different. you cannot say accurately which one is better at their job (maybe you could a little easier with actual jobs, but still)

Player C: 15 starts, 137 tackles (108 solo), 1 sack, 1 forced fumble, 6 passes defended

Beats me, I couldn’t find any rookie (or any player) with those statistics, at least not this season.

?

Wali Rainer, Cleveland Browns (1999).

The point being: an ILB on a truly bad team can rack up impressive numbers. The jury’s still out on JL.

Point made, maybe it’s just bias talking, but I think JL has the talent to anchor any 4-3 defense in the league.

The Andra Davis effect?

North Coast Flea - March 23, 2010 reply

boom.

Dawg Nuts - March 23, 2010 reply

no one had those exact stats over the past 5 years.

Every time I watched the Packers, Matthews was all over the place.

I think that Matthews will grow into one hell of a football player and will be a multiple time Pro Bowler (already been to one). Dude can play anywhere in that defense. I think JL is more like a Levon Kirkland.

As for JL and the Rams, who else was going to make tackles?

that may be a valid point. JL seemed to be in a lot of places on the Rams D too. I just feel that they have 2 different roles and it is hard to accurately judge who is “better”. It is hard to judge who is “better” at a role after one season.

After Wimbley’s rookie season, I would say he may be better than either…look now.

I just don’t feel that you can compare 2 players, in one isolated season, who play 2 different roles, and get an accurate reading of who is “better”.

I can respect your opinion, but disagree. I don’t see JL stats just being a product of a bad team. He has the skills and talent to do this anywhere.

And I still think the case can be made that the opposite might be the case for Mathews. The fantastic pass coverage on the Packers, allows for a lot more sacks and other plays to be made. I’m not aware that it is, just saying it’s plausible.

Only time will tell, but I’m sure both will be great linebackers for some time in this league.

Lastly, the asinine popularity contest that is the Pro Bowl shouldn’t even be mentioned as any indication of a players talent. Unless your ready to defend David Garrard?

or DA on that matter.

To be fair, Garrard was something like the 9th AFC QB to be named.

I think JL will be a consistently good ILB in the league, putting up those kinds of numbers every year.

I do not think he has the physical ability to truly be a great ILB in the league. He is miles away from Willis or Lewis.

Clay was awesome last year, definitely the most impressive defensive rookie in my book.

Roger Dorn - March 23, 2010 reply

I would agree with that statement. He was all over the field

Kimble_79 - March 23, 2010 reply

Yeah, you all are right. No one on here likes players more than they should because of the school they attended.

you realize there’s a USC player on there and a Texas player on there right? My guess is most Ohio state fans don’t like USC or Texas. I also think Beanie Wells deserved to be ranked highly (maybe not top five, but probably top 15), and remember, I don’t care about college football.

I’ve admitted several times that I’ve got a bias in favor of Ohio State players, but only to a certain extent. (I still hate Holmes, like everyone else here.)

That doesn’t mean I’m going to be a fan of what ever team drafts Terrelle Pryor. And if the situation ends up anything like Quinn’s, follow them up until said team realizes their QB sucks and was a major bust, and trades him for some lint in the Bronco’s pockets. Then become a Bronco fan only to watch him either ride the bench or fail miserably there.

I’ve admitted several times that I’ve got a bias in favor of Ohio State players, but only to a certain extent.

That makes sense, though. You watch them a lot more than any other college team, so you’re able to recognize and evaluate their talent a lot easier.

But not against other top talents if that’s the only school you’re watching. And let’s face it, most of the time OSU’s playing scrubs.

you mean the big 10?

I think “scrubs” is a pretty strong word. I acknowledge that the overall level of the SEC, for example, is superior to the Big 10 (11), but the upper half of the conference has strong teams, and OSU has scheduled some good national opponents in the past few years. True, they haven’t beaten most of them, but they’re playing top 10 teams annually. So, Indiana, Illinois, Minnesota: yeah, pretty weak sisters for the most part, and Michigan the last couple of years. But Penn State, Iowa, Wisconsin and sometimes Northwestern are competitive or excellent teams. I don’t think they can be called “scrubs” by any stretch.

drjeo - March 23, 2010 reply

I still reserve the right to call them ‘scrubs’ until they pull a Purdue over us. Teams that are constantly being beaten out by us I will continue to dub ‘scrubs’. Mostly because I like the show. :3

That’s is blatantly false and sounds like the same typical ignorant generalizations we hear from an SEC fanboy trolls.

What was the Big 10’s record in bowls this year, and how did they stack up against the SEC?

SEC (10) Ala,Ark,Aub,Flor,Geor,Ky,LSU,Miss,SCar,Tenn 6-4 .600
Big Ten (7) Iowa,MichSt,Minn,NWstrn,OSU,PSU,Wis4-3 .571

Simmsinns - March 24, 2010 reply

WOW! the SEC is So superior that it is scary.

Whatever you say, man.

Not real fans anyway, I could care less if the Browns draft a guy from Florida, USC, or god forbid another Notre Dame QB…lol. They are Browns from that point on..unless traded or cut :)

Mr Orange - March 22, 2010 reply

Rec.

At which point they stop being Browns and become super stars.

Such as…? Oh you mean Edwards or Winslow… lol. They didn’t exactly set the world on fire when they were traded…
(Sorry can’t tell if you’re actually being serious or just sarcastic)

Mr Orange - March 23, 2010 reply

I was surprised that he was that high. I did not rank him that high. I am glad we did not pick him that high.

Seeing Maualuga at #5 is kinda funny considering he is hated on quite a bit by everyone.

BornInThePound - March 23, 2010 reply

I know, at least outside of this blog, there was a lot of (unwarranted, IMO) love for Maualuga when draft day got closer. I didn’t understand why, but a lot of average fans around my area really wanted us to take him. Perhaps they just wanted a bigger name? I think maybe some of the more casual fans like to their teams to draft the big names they heard called more often on Saturdays.

Bruce Drennen did everything but dry-hump Maualuga’s leg in the weeks leading up to the draft.

That actually explains a good portion of the people I was talking about.

I was never fond of him as a prospect…even if he went to a school that wasn’t USC.

Bradford, Berry, Suh, McCoy, Okung. Went a little more BPA than biggest team need.

Roger Dorn - March 22, 2010 reply

If it´s not Jimmy Clausen, I´m blank, given the choices we´re given.
It doesn´t get tasty until you´re into most guys´ third round.
If we could move Major Wright to cornerback, I´d upgrade him, take him mid first round, if we can get it. Stuart Schweigert, who was the Michigan state High School champion in the 100 Meter Sprint, and was very successful at Purdue, got cut by the Detroit Lions last year. They´d make nice bookmark safeties. They´re both 6foot1, strong and fast, and not adverse to contact.
McCoy at Nose Guard would not hurt me. Torrell Troup, Central Florida, is much more preferable. If you crank the hype, he´s also acceptable as a late first round draft pick.

mooncamping - March 22, 2010 reply

…typo, sorry: bookmark cornerbacks

mooncamping - March 22, 2010 reply

Since Mike Holmgren adressed the Offensive Line as a problem, I repeat my solutions:
OT Joe Thomas
OG Mike Goff
C Eric Steinbach…Alex Mack to Nose Guard
OG Chris Kuper/Logan Mankins/Marshall Yanda…take your pick
OT Tony Pashos
CB Major Wright (1st round with CB designation)
CB Stuart Schweigert (cut by Lions last year)
FS Eric Wright (I still have hope he will tackle people)
SS Abe Elam (one of the better Strong Safeties in the league, so why draft another one?)
With this or a similar solution, maybe Prez Holmgren can warm to Jimmy Clausen.

mooncamping - March 22, 2010 reply

Interesting that, in a draft with talent like Gerald McCoy and Ndamukong Suh, you’d prefer Torrell Troup.

But here’s the real gem, Alex Mack to nose guard!

I know! in my opinion he has the ideal body type for a guard.

Thank God!!! Mooncamping is back and spouting nonsense! I thought I was in the Twilight Zone for a week there…

yeah it was scary how many of his posts made sense

so we should draft steinbach, elam, and eric wright this year?

Oh, was this a fantasy prompt? I hate fantasy.

mooncamping - March 23, 2010 reply

Do you understand what fantasy football is?

What!? Steinbach doesn’t go top 5 consistently in your fantasy league? Crazy talk.

One could only imagine what Moon’s fantasy team would look like????

Kimble_79 - March 23, 2010 reply

Rob Konrad surrounded by other FB’s that are either retired or still in college.

Can you post all this to Cleveland.com and see what kinda responses you get?

Y’know. Just for laughs?

skipkirk - March 22, 2010 reply

there are some who will agree.

http://www.gatorzone.com/football/draft/index.php?year=2003&page=year

If I see him, I will fight him!

bohica0331 - March 24, 2010 reply

Out of curiosity, how many “succesful” former Florida players are there in the NFL?

StuckInPa - March 22, 2010 reply

Harvin

Roger Dorn - March 22, 2010 reply

Is that it, though?

StuckInPa - March 22, 2010 reply

Not the best list of players, but here is most of them

Kimble_79 - March 22, 2010 reply

Thanks. Well atleast they have Percy going for them. If there’s a way we can trade Rodgers to Oakland for their first, I say we take Haden, or trade down and get Kyle Wilson. This is assuming we get Berry at 6.

StuckInPa - March 22, 2010 reply

To be fair, Meyer is fairly new at Florida. New enough that it shouldn’t be expected that players he recruited and worked with for 3-4 years could have already been able to mature in the NFL.

Murphy did pretty good for having played for the Raiders.

Caldwell is what you expect from a third rounder.

I think Pouncy will do well too. I think Major Wright will produce like you’d expect for where he is drafted.

I agree. I like Major Wright as a bit of a sleeper.

The Licensed Pessimist - March 23, 2010 reply

Pouncey is Jeff Faine 2.0. Wouldn’t draft him in the AFC north

Agreed.

Didn’t Faine make a pro bowl after he left?

I think the point about pouncey is that he wouldn’t fit in the AFC north. This is true in a sense.

Faine made pro bowls after he left but he tended to struggle against big NTs. He had decent strength but he did seem to struggle at the POA when lined up against a NT. while the bengals don’t run a 3-4 I believe, you have to beat the Ravens and Steelers to do well in the division and to beat them, you can’t be overpowered by the NT.

I dunno if anyone thinks a team in the AFC north will actually draft him (he definitely won’t go to the browns)

Both however do have a similar negative attached to them in a lot of scouting reports. Faine wasn’t overly strong and one criticism was that he lacked a mean streak. that showed when facing big snack. Pouncey has some of the same weaknesses. he has solid strength but isn’t overly strong. He isn’t overpowering or a mauler and lacks the mean streak.

that being said, both are great.

The Licensed Pessimist - March 24, 2010 reply

This long post could have been summarized simply as

like Faine, Pouncey is weak against NT and like Faine, wouldn’t be great in a heavy 3-4 division like the AFC North. The browns shouldn’t draft him

Well said.

Roger Dorn - March 24, 2010 reply

after he left

emphasize on that

The Licensed Pessimist - March 24, 2010 reply

Where’d this “Major Wright” thing come from? Honestly, I’ve never heard it before.

He is a DB from Florida in this years draft.

I like him as a sleeper.

yeah. he is one of a few safeties i really like in this draft. this draft is surprisingly deep in safeties (and a lot of other positions).

There are a lot of guys I would like the browns to take around that area (third round-ish)

Personally, out of the 3-4 Safeties projected around the third round, stuckey may be my favorite and I also think he may be the one the browns are most likely to get.

Did anyone see Peter King quote Pioli today in MMQB? Could be a bluff, but makes me think Pioli will stick to his guns and go with positional value at pick 5 meaning Berry looks likely to at least get to pick 6.

Roger Dorn - March 22, 2010 reply

Pioli would trade down too. I’m confident if we want berry we can swap picks with the chiefs for very little.

Whether it’s the Chiefs or someone else ahead of us, I think we have the picks to afford to trade up for Berry, and it would be well worth it.

this

North Coast Flea - March 22, 2010 reply

Or, we could wait until he gets to pick 7.

I’m afraid of exposing Berry to seattle, unless a player like Gerald McCoy is also available to them. Now that they have acquired Charlie Whitehearst I’m guessing they will pass on Clausen. Their options are Berry or a tackle. If the redskins and chiefs both take offensive tackles the seahawks will be down to the third best left tackle or Berry. I’m guessing Pete Carroll takes Berry there.

jaws. - March 23, 2010 reply

Whitehurst won’t affect their decision on Clausen

TheRealSlimShady - March 23, 2010 reply

It may, or it may not.

i believe it won’t.

Maybe whitehurst was signed purely as a backup or a guy to show Clausen the ropes in the league. Maybe Whitehurst in a way was a smokescreen.

Or maybe, they think that whitehurst has something special that they are looking for that they don’t see in clausen. I can’t tell you what they may see, I am not them.

I believe whitehurst won’t but I cannot make a statement that it 100% won’t at all.

Maybe Whitehurst in a way was a smokescreen.

A smokescreen that cost 8 million and a draft pick? Doubt it.

8 million and a draft pick also seems like a costly investment if they still planned on drafting Clausen, also sacrificing 6 overall (which could mean G. McCoy, Okung, Berry, etc…)

It seems to me like it would have an impact, but I could be wrong.

that too…it is a lot to invest in a backup QB…and if you invest #6 pick money in another QB, it becomes a lot of money at one position.

How many years is that 8 million?

I am not exactly sure. maybe 2 I think…could be 3. I thought he was getting at least 3 mil a year though.

Two years, eight million.

Thats not too much money to rule out them spending first round money on a QB.

Yet WE’RE the team that signed Jack F****** Delhome to 7 million.

The Browns apparently also signed Jack’s twin brother Jake to a contract. Should be interesting to watch
/sarc/

drjeo - March 23, 2010 reply

I wouldn’t mind Jack Delhomme.

I doubt it too. Coaches may do elaborate things for a smokescreen…

Like signing Delhome for 7 million or claiming the world will explode into a pile of brand name muffins if they’re not allowed to draft Bradford or Berry.

Suh
Berry
McCoy
Bradford
Haden

Grockcubs - March 22, 2010 reply

What do you people think of Dez Bryant? I realize we drafted MoMass and Robiskie last year in 2nd round, but if Berry isn’t there I think we should seriously consider Bryant… the west coast offense relies heavily on talented WRs and after watching videos of Bryant I now am very excited at the prospect of getting him. I think probably the biggest thing holding us back would be character concerns…

sww2109 - March 22, 2010 reply

I have not watched interviews or really followed him off the field at all. Purely based on his on-field talent and position, he would not be that far down my list of players to take at 7.

I would like to trade down more than I would like picking him, though.

Dez Bryant is an animal, but I hate drafting a wideout that high when we have such huge hole elsewhere on this team.

Realistically you could start the season with Robiskie and MoMass and Stuckey and feel like you might be at least adequate. You just can’t go into next year with the same defensive secondary we had last year.

If Robiskie and Mass did not improve from last year, and we went in with those 3WRs, I would feel like we would be in the discussion for worst WRs in the league.

If we went in to next year with exactly the same team as last year, you could say the same things about S, TE, CB, RT, and QB.

There are big holes everywhere, and the only positions we shouldn’t think about at #7 are RB, C and LT.

probably LG and KR as well, though anyone that would take those positions that high is probably crazy (unless that LG is a generational talent).

Yeah, but I think we could move the Guards around such that our best 5 play, as I don’t think they have as specialized roles as LT/RT. So I think we could take a G and make him or Steinbach the RG.

KR was a big oversight on my part.

Steinbach fits great as the left guard. He is on the small, athletic side and can pull effectively. Usually your left side is more apt pass protectors and your right side is a bit larger and better at run blocking, since you generally run to the right a little more.

I’m guessing they will add one or two guys in the draft and have porkchop, pashos and a couple rookies fight it out for those two spots on the right side.

jaws. - March 23, 2010 reply

You really don’t think I know about offensive lines?

I’m not talking to you directly as much as just clarifying for anyone else.

jaws. - March 23, 2010 reply

And don’t foget about all-around Steeler Ass-kicking utilitiy guy. More would be nice, but we’ve already got one of those.

Compensatory picks were awarded today. The Bengals somehow got a third and a fourth. We got bupkis.

Our picks:
7 38 71 85 92 105 134 137 146 160 177 186

golanbatrac - March 22, 2010 reply

we gained nothing?

I can’t think of any free agents that we lost last season.

I figured. I was just asking. We lost maybe pool and hadnot…but we got at least like 4 guys from FA that weren’t on our team before.

Compensatory picks are doled out the next season i believe, so if we get any picks for pool or hadnot they will be awarded in the 2011 draft.

I could have misunderstood this when it was explained to me, so you might want to double check it.

We did lose Andra Davis and Sean Jones. I don’t know how compensatory picks work, but I thought we might’ve got something for them.

I think part of it is the type of contract they sign with their next team. Neither Davis nor Jones were big gets for anyone.

Roger Dorn - March 23, 2010 reply

They have to take into account who we got in FA as well which is a lot.

skipkirk - March 23, 2010 reply

We picked up 4 FAs that year. I think that nullifies and compensation.

North Coast Flea - March 23, 2010 reply

According to the PD, the system for handing out compensatory picks is “incomprehensible”. Big surprise.

I believe how many FAs we signed vs lost, as well as the performance of those FAs (that we both signed and lost) all come in to play. I assume the “performance” aspect of this is tied to the league’s pool of money for players who outperform their contracts, which is a far from perfect way of determining performance.

All that said, I think the FAs we signed could have easily displaced Davis and Jones’ production with their new teams.

According to the PD, the system for handing out compensatory picks is "incomprehensible". Big surprise.

Is the faux surprise about the NFL having an incomprehensible system or the PD not being able to understand something?

The PD not being able to understand something/thinking that their readers are too stupid to understand it.

Good, better comment that way.

Sean Jones and Andra Davis.

wow. those are blasts from the past.

I guess I should have said I can’t think of any good free agents we lost last season.

If Ryan Fitzpatrick netted the Bengals a 4th, you’d think the two players above would be worth a 7th at the very least.

but we lost those guys a while ago…

Compensatory picks are granted for players lost in the previous year.

Ohhhhh….

I think maybe fitz netted them a 4th b/c

a) he isn’t a brown
b) he is a QB.

I would think we will inevitably work some form of trade up by packaging several of these later round picks to move back up into 2nd or 3rd again

Kimble_79 - March 23, 2010 reply

Here’s something I recently learned: the prefix “fitz” combined with another name (Fitzgerald, Fitzpatrick, etc.) originally meant “bastard of”. So, calling somebody Fitz is the same as calling him bastard. Weird, but might be useful in a weird kind of way.

drjeo - March 23, 2010 reply

From Wikipedia:

Fitz forms a prefix to patronymic surnames of Anglo-Norman origin. This usage derives from the Norman fiz / filz, prononciation: /fits/ (cognate with French fils < Latin filius), meaning “son of”, which was coupled with the name of the father (e.g. Fitz Gilbert, meaning “son of Gilbert”) in the noble families according to the scandinavian tradition to add -son behind the father’s name. Although there are exceptions in which the name of a more noteworthy mother (Fitz Wymarch), or parent’s title (Fitz Count, Fitz Empress) was instead used.

No mention of bastardhood.

that doesn’t mean that it isn’t true/

Wikipedia can be useful. However the most glaring problem with Wikipedia is omissions, sometimes glaring omissions…

Joe Thomas, hallowed by thy name, protect and preserve us from another Wikipedia conversation, amen.

Yeah, no kidding.

Western Reserve - March 23, 2010 reply

Is Wiki-reliability a recurring topic of conversation here? I hadn’t noticed, if it is.

there was a fairly long one i think when you are gone.

http://www.dawgsbynature.com/2010/2/8/1288012/7-round-browns-mock-draft#30591213

I don’t think recurring, but there was a long digression on the subject while you were away. Bross made a comment about Wikipedia’s reliability, and much amusement ensued. Here be said dragons:

I think the subject has been covered – at least until the next bold claim surfaces.

as no one says its infallible, I think we are set…

I say it is infallible!

nope. it has some mistakes…but so does brittanica

Bross, do you really want to start this discussion again?

dude it was a joke

notthatnoise - March 24, 2010 reply

I say it’s inflammable.

Affable!

Good stuff. Thanks for the link!

No sweat. Glad it was still worth reading downstream.

lol.

Wikipedia is not Infallible…definitely not in the realm of JT.

Wikipedia has problems, the biggest being omissions.

No one is omitted from the wrath of Joe Thomas when he is on the field.

I’d say the biggest problem is baseless accusations of former presidents and their sex acts with buildings, as I discovered when reading Calvin Coolidge’s page a few months ago.

Fitz Fitz noun [ Old French fils , filz , fiz , son, French fils , Latin filius . See Filial .] A son; — used in compound names, to indicate paternity, esp. of the illegitimate sons of kings and princes of the blood; as, Fitz roy, the son of the king; Fitz clarence, the son of the duke of Clarence.

Webster’s Revised Unabridged Dictionary 1913 edition, via http://www.encyclo.co.uk/webster/F/35

In that definition, Fitz is a noun, not a prefix. While bastard applies to the compound names Fitz roy and Fitz clarence, it doesn’t apply to names like Fitzgerald or Fitzpatrick in which ‘Fitz’ is used as a prefix.

That appears to be how it works.

I think you’re right, although “Fitz roy” often got merged into “Fitzroy” and so on, so the prefix \ compound distinction is pretty unclear in common usage. If I understand it, the origins of Fitzgerald and Fitzpatrick seem to predate the illegitimacy angle.

If you modified drjeo’s statement so it didn’t use those examples and added ‘sometimes’, it’d still be accurate.

Agree.

Educational, this. DBN often reminds me of a Dr. Seuss book: Oh, the Places You’ll Go!

There are rumors on Wikipedia of Doctor Seuss a virulent racist.

There are rumors on Wikipedia of Doctor Seuss being a virulent racist.

Well, he was. He was also a WWII cartoon artist who depicted Nazis and minority groups in a pretty vulgar fashion.

I find it funny that you say that.

From what I read he was one of the first people to come out against the Nazis. please show me a link to some sort of cartoon (or alternate universe) where this is true.

he also wrote a book about the problems of discrimination.

sorry, but you should be banned from any further conversations regarding race and discrimination on this site. just sayin.

Dawg Nuts - March 23, 2010 reply

just sayin…

my point is valid, I shouldn’t be banned from conversation.

Where are these mysterious 3rd reich cartoons from Dr. Seuss.

Stop.

Now.

what?

The guy is saying that Dr. Seuss was a Nazi Sympathizer…Its just not true…Can I not call him out on that?

Everyone needs to drop this.

yeah. it is pointless by now.

You don’t need to have an answer for everything. Especially with your 5 internet windows open and searching for facts non stop just to have a point about anything and everything.

Brownie's Year - March 24, 2010 reply

geez…

Especially with your 5 internet windows open and searching for facts non stop

this is just wrong. I knew from my knowledge of Dr. Seuss that he actually was one of the first people to speak out AGAINST hitler…

I don’t need to have an answer to everything, but at the same time, do I have the right to call someone out if they are being an idiot and spreading not only false facts, but very strong false facts…

I am sorry. I take crap about Nazis and the Holocaust pretty seriously and take it seriously when a serious accusation like that is made…

Just stop.

what. So you are allowed to criticize about the Al Sharpton comment and everyone else does, but when I try to call someone out on a blatant lie about a serious subject, it isn’t okay?

what gives me any less right to call someone out on here than another?

Don’t fuck with me, Bross.

endorsed

sleepy042 - March 24, 2010 reply

Again, you need to stop. Not after another comment. Not after you post “okay”, I mean now.

I don’t need an answer to every single post. If someone said something that you believe isn’t correct, feel free to email them about it.

This is a thread for the Browns big board. We don’t need another thread hi-jacked with political discussions or anything like that.

Again, just because you feel differently about something does NOT mean that you have to be baited into a long discussion.

If it is Brown related, then by all means let’s talk. If it is about Dr. FREAKING Suess, let it go.

I am done with it anways…

There is a difference though about feeling different about something and someone making a completely false statement.

there is opinion and there is fact.

This is exactly what I am talking about.

You don’t always need the last word.

Just let it go.

this.

jaws. - March 24, 2010 reply

Wow, Bross is calling ME out saying that I’m full of shit. Funny.

SpecialBrownie - March 24, 2010 reply

And here I was going to regard his request for verifiable facts as progress.

Is this comment with me or against me?

SpecialBrownie - March 24, 2010 reply

That comment prefers not to take sides.

Seriously, I just meant that you could mock bross for asking for provable facts, or you could say hey, here’s someone who’s coming around on the value of verifiable information. Your choice I guess.

well, when you are full of crap you are full of crap…

Japanese

After the war his feelings changed, see Horton Hears a Who.

yes. I knew he had some anti-japanese feelings.

however, he never was a nazi sympathizer as SB claims.

also check out the sneeches. that was all about not predudging people.

My response was to SB.

yes…I wasn’t sure. I was trying to expand on your point anyways…is that a bad thing?

No, I just didn’t want you to think i was questioning what you typed.

oh. It seemed like you were agreeing. I agreed with you on the japanese. I read that somewhere too about him.

And you’re right, he wasn’t a sympathizer. Just like I said, thanks for agreeing.

SpecialBrownie - March 24, 2010 reply

This was the whole misunderstanding. Funny stuff.

dgcambridge - March 25, 2010 reply

its another example of how he changed.

Yes, I was just tying this conversation to the one above.

I apologize for bringing up Dr. Suess. I was not aware that he was such a sore subject around there parts.

I apologize for bringing up Dr. Suess. I was not aware that he was such a sore subject around these parts.

What’s with the self-quoting, gahnki? Joke I’m missing there?

Spelling error that I fixed.

RelapsingDawgCatcher - March 25, 2010 reply

Ah, very good. Looked right past that!

sorry. I got out of hand.

To me, I like Dr. Seuss and have a lot of respect for him.

Plus, if this started as a joke (or as a false accusation) I do take things about Nazis pretty seriously…I would say that wouldn’t be a matter to joke about or take lightly unless you know the audience (and now you know)

It was a reference to the misinformation that was propagated through Wikipedia.

I was not condoning fascist, anti-semitic behavior. I’m sorry if I confused you into believing I was a Nazi.

I didn’t think you were.

I think it was SBs comment that got me going. I took it way to seriously and sometimes I do that about that part of history.

I do agree that sometimes there is misinformation on Wikipedia and sometimes they leave out major elements

However, there are many types of articles it has that would not be found anywhere else…plus there is always the fun little tidbit that you only find on wikipedia (like including Demaryius Thomas’ nickname of Bey-Bey)

and Again, I apologize for those who had to see all those new posts.

RelapsingDawgCatcher - March 25, 2010 reply

Dude, don’t get chocked up that I de – faced Dr.Seuss k?

And I was just saying that because I’ve witnessed an actual book of all his WWII Editorials, and they were pretty vulgar depictions even though they were still all seussical characters. And just letting you know, most of the time you’re un – credible, so it was really an insult that you called me out. And finally when you call someone out, bring factual evidence also, because you falsifying statements like you claimed me to be doing.

Now, back to football please.

SpecialBrownie - March 25, 2010 reply

What was the name of that Seuss collection so I can research this myself?

And goshdarnit, let’s just talk about football from now on, please!

(WARNING: THIS IS SARCASM)

Dr. Seuss Goes to War: The World War II Editorial Cartoons of Theodor Seuss Geisel

Good read. Well worth the thirty bones.

golanbatrac - March 25, 2010 reply

Thank you.

There’s my proof.

SpecialBrownie - March 25, 2010 reply

Cool, danke.

And now, we shall not speak of this matter again.

RelapsingDawgCatcher - March 25, 2010 reply

I thought they got the fourth rounder for TJ Housh, but I could be wrong. I will try and find some info on it.

The article I read said a third for Andrews and a fourth for Fitz. Not sure now where it is I read it though.

Here’s where I got it.

I found this from the Cincinnati Bengal Examiner:

The league announced Monday the Cincinnati Bengals are one of 19 teams who will receive compensatory picks in the upcoming 2010 NFL Draft. The Bengals received a third round (96th overall) because of the loss of wide receiver T.J. Houshmandzadeh to the Seattle Seahawks and a fourth round (131st overall) after right tackle Stacy Andrews signed with the Philadelphia Eagles.

Anyway ya cut it, the Bengals got a decent haul for their troubles.

I’ll go with the Examiner. Bastardsonofpatrick isn’t worth a fourth.

Love the name.

1.) Suh
2.) Berry
3.) Bradford
4.) Bryant
5.) McClain

Ryan Kelsey - March 23, 2010 reply

It’s 12:38, Wednesday, March 24th, 2010 and Braylon Edwards still sucks.

good one. But i do believe it is proper to remind everyone that Braylon is still a Douche Bag. :-)

doggrad87 - March 24, 2010 reply

like father, like son

Kimble_79 - March 24, 2010 reply

Additions to Board

Maybe add the two PSU LB’s to the board, Sean Lee and Navarro Bowman. I know these guys may not be considered first round talent, but anyone who has watched them play can tell you that they are in on virtually every play, and are very sound tacklers with good football IQ.

Without looking it up, doesn’t Bowman have some off the field issues?

Yes he does. He got in a fight a couple years ago and then didn’t complete all the community service he was sentened to.

StuckInPa - March 24, 2010 reply

and where would either fit in our D? Would Lee be an ILB?

Lee is a very ersatile player, he’s got good closing speed and has the ability to shed blockers quickly using his hands. He was originally an OLB and was moved to ILB. He could come in to help out our OLB by committe situation, and if needed fill in for injuries or to gie guys a blow at ILB.

Bowman is more of an OLB. Good speed and coverage skills, which would allow him to blitz or cover TE’s man to man. One of the more solid tackling LB’s in the draft.

They are both ILBs in our 3-4.

Thank you. I thought they would play inside, i wasn’t sure though If they would fit our system.

He was, but ever since that incident, which was about a year and a half? ago, he’s been good. So it would still be somethinhg to consider before drafting, but his talent is definately first round. So maybe not worthy of the board but if he’s available round 2, it would bea steal.

I see that you are new to the board, so this is a friendly reminder to use the reply button. It is below each post and it keeps the comments straight.

You wanted to reply to my comment above, just click the reply button, a new box appears, and you can type your message in there.

Look forward to seeing more of your posts.

Right, my fault. I’d also think that Jerry Hughes would be a consideration to find someone solid at OLB, rather than running 6 guys on and off the field for different situations.

Anyone know when an updated poll will be available?

I’ll probably calculate the results, put our first 5 on the board, and do another one tonight or tomorrow.

would anyone mind a breakdown on Delhomme in 2009? it may take me a week but i’d do one if its cool.

sleepy042 - March 24, 2010 reply

Go for it. A Delhomme primer would be useful, for sure.

golanbatrac - March 24, 2010 reply

I am excited to see if my prognosis of Delhomme being horrible is true.