So, you thought things would calm down for a little bit after the signing of QB Jake Delhomme?
Think again.
The Cleveland Browns made two significant trades Sunday afternoon, both involving teams in the AFC West. In an expected move, QB Brady Quinn was traded to the Denver Broncos. In an unexpected move, LB Kamerion Wimbley was shipped to the Oakland Raiders. Here are the reported details of each trade:
BRONCOS GET:
BROWNS GET:
Commentary: Hillis was a seventh-round draft pick by the Broncos in the 2008 draft. There was no way the Browns were going to get the same value they spent on Quinn (almost two first round draft picks), but I'm definitely intrigued by acquiring Hillis. During the 2008 campaign, Hillis became a spot starter for the Denver Broncos due to an array of injuries the team suffered. The 250-pound fullback finished the season with 343 yards rushing (5.0 average) and 5 touchdowns, and also proved to be an effective receiver. He didn't get nearly as many touches last year.
I still am not thrilled with the thought of "giving up" on Quinn; I guess we'll see how long it is before he takes over for Kyle Orton in Denver. If Josh McDaniels had an interest in Quinn last year and still went out and acquired him this year, I don't think he wants him to be some form of a veteran backup. Eric Mangini made this statement regarding the Quinn trade:
“I appreciate everything Brady did for us last year and in his three seasons with the Cleveland Browns,” Browns coach Eric Mangini said in a statement. “He is professional in the way he goes about doing his job and worked extremely hard at every aspect of his game. I wish him the best of success in Denver.”
RAIDERS GET:
BROWNS GET:
Commentary: The reports seem to indicate that the Browns received a third-round draft pick for Wimbley. Wimbley never lived up to the hype, and I suppose I'm "ok" with getting rid of him. We probably received the maximum compensation we could have for him, since the Raiders have an early third-round draft choice. It's funny to see Oakland again going after speed again.
The details of the trades above will be updated as more information becomes available. Feel free to sound off on both of these deals in the comments section below!
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Roger Dorn - March 14, 2010
Agree.
Best wishes to Brady (except if we play him!).
emily522 - March 14, 2010
I’ll third that.
RelapsingDawgCatcher - March 14, 2010
Fourth.
mjmarble - March 14, 2010
ill fifth that
BrutalMovement - March 14, 2010
Roger Dorn - March 14, 2010
word is the wembley trade was a 3rd round pick. Per mortenson. Raiders high third round pick. watch for us to take a QB either there or in our own 3rd round pick now.
jaws. - March 14, 2010
On a broader level, this means the Browns are now in the market for a hybrid guy.
gahnki - March 14, 2010
We have a lot of prospects though. Benard, Roth, Veikune, Hall, Trusnik.
Skov17 - March 14, 2010
I’m going to call it now- Thaddeus Gibson, 2nd round pick.
gahnki - March 14, 2010
Morgan at 7.
Bernie19Kosar - March 14, 2010
Please god no.
jaws. - March 14, 2010
NEVER EVER draft a transition DE / OLB in the first round. Huge bust rate. Follow Bill Belichick: Draft them in the second.
jaws. - March 14, 2010
So easy to be invisible in Cleve: Since 2006, Terrell Suggs 27 sacks, Wimbley 26.5. per chris mortenson’s twitter
scc2o4 - March 14, 2010
Yeah he wasn’t too bad, but not quite #6 overall pick production.
jaws. - March 14, 2010
Wimbley was the 13th pick
Skov17 - March 14, 2010
Ok, my bad. Not quite #13 overall production, especially when we traded the pick that was Haloti Ngata when we didn’t have a nose tackle.
jaws. - March 14, 2010
agreed
Skov17 - March 14, 2010
Yea, but take away Wimbley’s 1st season and what does his average come to?
Roger Dorn - March 14, 2010
4.5 / season
jaws. - March 14, 2010
make that 5.1 a season
jaws. - March 14, 2010
and he was not much of a factor against the run and a liability in coverage.
bross09 - March 14, 2010
Wimbley was pretty good in coverage for a 3-4 OLB. The problem was he was never the dominant pass rusher he was drafted to be.
rufio - March 15, 2010
I agree…
I guess he was pretty good for his position. He definitely could have been better. I was more thinking about the fact that there was the comparison to Terrell suggs. I think suggs was signifiacantly better coverage wise…even earlier in his career.
bross09 - March 15, 2010
I think Suggs is significantly better coming forward, I actually think Wimbley is better in coverage.
rufio - March 15, 2010
I don’t know how telling this is, but:
Suggs: 36 career passes defended, 5 career picks, 2 touchdowns.
Wimbley: 5 career passes defended, 1 career pick
jaws. - March 15, 2010
Suggs is all around better.
Roger Dorn - March 15, 2010
Read my signature.
rufio - March 15, 2010
Read my signature.
rufio - March 15, 2010
That can also mean that Suggs was targeted more.
gahnki - March 15, 2010
Yes.
I disagree about coverage. while wimbley doesn’t blow coverages he certainly doesn’t make plays. that is the thing that sets suggs apart in coverage.
bross09 - March 15, 2010
yes, but wimbley got 41.5% of that production his rookie season. in 2 less games too, suggs had more tackles solo, and assisted. suggs also was much better in coverage, whereas wimbley still struggles.
Here are the other stats they compiled besides sacks.
Suggs: 271 Total Tkls, 196 Solo, 2 INTs, 1 Defensive TD, 7 FF, 28 PDef
Wimbley: 248 Total Tkls, 185 Solo, 1 INT, 7 FF, 4 PDef…
Not only was suggs better against the run, but he was also much better in coverage.
you cannot take one stat and judge the worth of a player. Peyton manning threw twice as many interceptions (as a percentage of completions, 2.8% to 1.4%) as matt moore..does that make moore a better QB?
bross09 - March 14, 2010
Yeah, I mean I wouldn’t have wanted DeMarcus Ware or anything.
rufio - March 14, 2010
except that the guys that flounder (like wimbley) are guys who are more speed rushers and were never great against the run but just have elite physical skills. a guy like derrick morgan (or brandon Graham but he is projected much lower) is going to likely be less of a bust. these guys don’t rely purely on speed and also are good against the run. this style of play busts less than the wimbley (or ricky sapp) style.
bross09 - March 14, 2010
pass rushing “conversion players” who are DEs in college but become rush LB in the pros have a higher bust rate. It just is tough to make the transition to the new position. Derrek morgan may be a very good player in this league but he isn’t really what the browns need most pressingly. I don’t think he fits great in the 3-4 and shouldn’t be worth a #7 to us. Size makes him more valuable to the cover 2 teams.
We need to fix the atrocity that is our secondary, and fast. If we get the vibe that someone is going to take berry, i say pull out the extra picks and get a trade done. Nothing insane but I think teams will be more than willing to move down this year. Berry has got to be the guy he is one of the best players in the draft and at least begins to fill a gigantic gaping hole in the browns secondary.
jaws. - March 14, 2010
Show me where this is true. From what I have found in my on going study is that OLB/DE players are actually useful draft picks. If there is something else out there that I have overlooked, please show me, because I would really like to get my hands on this.
If not, please stop repeating false statements.
Bernie19Kosar - March 14, 2010
there are always busts, but I feel a lot of the busts fall into 2 groups:
a) Workout Warriors: guys who were inconsistent in college and didn’t have great or even very good production but rise up draft boards b/c of potential and physical Skills:
Examples of a): JPP, Kamerion WImbley, Vernon Gholston (put up good numbers in college but overdrafted b/c of of ridiculous combine. Wimbley was never a great player in college but had all the physical skills (like the 4.6 40 combined with the 250 pound body).
b): Guys who rely on physical skills to make plays, such as speed, and do not have developed pass rush moves and are not great players against the run (which limits the amount of downs they can play)
Examples of b): Ricky Sapp, WImbley, Jarvis Moss. Notice how wimbley shows up on both?
The guys I see as being the safest best are the pure pass rushers. these are guys who have enough speed but also have great technique. while these guys don’t have the “upside” of a gholston, these are the guys that are much better Pro Players in general. these guys also usually produce more in college.
Guys like this (that produced in college and relied on things other than physical skills, plus weren’t workout warriors) were:
Tamba Hali (good player)
Lawrence Timmons (good player)
Demarcus Ware (somewhat of a workout warrior but great pass rush moves and produced in college)
WIllie McGinest (ridiculous college production)
Calvin Pace
and then in this draft, Derrick Morgan and Brandon Graham.
bross09 - March 15, 2010
Wimbley wasn’t a bust.
He was medicore, but far from a bust.
Bernie19Kosar - March 15, 2010
he was a bust from the perspective of being drafted in the top 16 picks. He should have made a pro bowl by now or something.
he was a fine player but overdrafted.
jaws. - March 15, 2010
So since he was drafted in the top 16 picks and he hasn’t been to a Pro Bowl he is a bust?
By your foolish standards Clavin Johnson, Lee Evans, Dunta Robinson, DJ Williams, Ty Warren, and Quinton Jammer are all busts.
Facts. Gotta use facts.
Bernie19Kosar - March 15, 2010
I’m not calling them all total busts, but they did disappoint somewhat for where they were drafted.
Calvin Johnson will almost certainly go to a pro bowl in his career.
jaws. - March 15, 2010
Get your head out of your Clavin.
Villeslgr - March 15, 2010
Get your head out of your
ClavinClaussenfixed
Kimble_79 - March 15, 2010
True. I should have labeled him as a disappointment (along with gholston who I believe it is too early to call bust, even though I believe he soon will be one). Either way, I do believe he was overdrafted in the same way JPP will be.
bross09 - March 15, 2010
How can you consider a guy who hasn’t been drafted a bust?
Villeslgr - March 15, 2010
Tell us bross09 from the future, who should we pick?
Bernie19Kosar - March 15, 2010
I actually agree with you that we should pick morgan. I never said anyone who hasn’t been picked will DEFINITELY be a bust, but that they share some of the same characteristics of past busts…
bross09 - March 15, 2010
did I call anyone who hasn’t been drafted a bust??? I just said they fell into the categories of past busts…
All I said is that JPP and other guys shot up not because of production but b/c of the combine and other factors. JPP will end up being a combine warrior type. so was wimbley…his college production was mediocre…
bross09 - March 15, 2010
How is Jason Pierre Paul a bust?
TheRealSlimShady - March 15, 2010
Welcome back…
anyways, we already went over this. i said he fits the mold of a type of player who often turns out to be a bust (at least for where he is drafted). I am not saying, nor do I explicitly say I think he is one or claim that he is.
I do think he will likely be a bust but that is just my opinion.
bross09 - March 15, 2010
You still can’t put him in the category of bust when he hasn’t even played in the NFL yet.
TheRealSlimShady - March 16, 2010
did I say he was a bust???
you keep missing the point…
I was stating certain types of players that are often busts. not all of these types are bust, but I find them riskier than maybe a brandon graham. JPP fits that group with a higher bust rate. like I said, I think he will be a bust, but I do not say for certain that he is or will be.
bross09 - March 16, 2010
Yes.
Do you see now why people think you are already calling Ricky Sapp a bust?
Bernie19Kosar - March 16, 2010
wow…I didn’t really look at it closely. I worded that extremely badly. I should have included saying that these guys fit the mold of those certain kinds of busts.
bross09 - March 16, 2010
I don’t know I got it…
notthatnoise - March 17, 2010
Sacks are one of the more meaningful stats in college, they tend to project to the pros decently.
rufio - March 15, 2010
I agree. That is why I worry with JPP who only had one year of D1-A experience and only 6 sacks in that year.
in 4 years at FSU, These are wimbley’s stats:
12 Sacks, 12 TFLs, 108 Tkls (67 Solo) 3 Fumble Recoveries
This is his Senior Season: 7.5 Sacks, 11 TFLs 26 Tkls (11 Solo).
His stats are highly unimpressive and there are guys (like eric norwood) in the current draft who put up similar stats (7 sks, 11.5 TFLs, 81 Tkls, 58 Solo) their senior season but didn’t dominate the combine like Wimbley did and are going in later rounds…
I see a lot of Wimbley in JPP. neither one produced in college. The guys that are sometimes the better players are the guys without elite physical skills but high motor guys who consistently made plays in college. by this I mean guys like Lamarr Woodley, and Tamba Hali. Also in the mold (but both may be better) are Derrick Morgan and Brandon Graham.
bross09 - March 15, 2010
I am not going to trade significant picks for berry. I hope he falls to us but IMO, Morgan is a great consolation.
bross09 - March 15, 2010
I for one really like Graham and would love to see us pick him up
Kimble_79 - March 14, 2010
I like him too. I dunno if he should be taken that high and I don’t think he will be available in the 2nd.
bross09 - March 15, 2010
I would love to get him in the same manner we got Alex Mack.
rufio - March 15, 2010
exactly
Kimble_79 - March 15, 2010
It would be nice to pull in a little more if trading down, but not sure that’ll happen.
Simmsinns - March 15, 2010
Trading down will be very difficult this year. Lots of teams would like to do it. The browns kinda hit a home run by doing it last year with this economic climate. I think the Jets new front office will blow up in a few years because they have shown themselves to make impulsive decisions that are very high risk.
Like I’ve said I’ve got all my chips on Berry because he is easily the best fit, even giving up a pick to move up and get him still makes the draft all together much better. No other option leaves us in such good shape on our second pick.
jaws. - March 15, 2010
It would have been difficult last year, too. We did it several times.
rufio - March 15, 2010
I would love that too. get him and get some more picks. Graham Might be one of my favorite players in the draft. I just love his style and love his production. he might not have Demarcus ware’s measurables, but he produced in college (like Ware) and I think that sometimes matters more.
bross09 - March 15, 2010
This is not true.
Brian Orakpo, Clay Matthews, DeMarcus Ware, Shawne Merriman, Terrell Suggs, John Abraham, Andre Carter, Anthony Spencer, and Calvin Pace in the past ten seasons alone.
Busts are Gholston, and who? Many players haven’t been stars (Lawson, Hali, etc.) but I can only find one massive bust.
As for the other half of your false statement:
This is 100% a lie. Look for yourself. Since BB has been in NE, he has taken 0 DE/OLB’s in the second round.
Bernie19Kosar - March 14, 2010
Facts: who needs ’em!
golanbatrac - March 14, 2010
Since 1993, there have been 51 defensive ends or pass rush linebackers drafted in the first 16 picks. of those 51 players just 20 ever made the pro bowl. of the 20 who made the pro bowl just 8 might be considered “tweener” players.
8 out of 51.
jaws. - March 15, 2010
Where is this evidence?
Since when did the first round only last until the 16th pick?
You have to come stronger than this.
Bernie19Kosar - March 15, 2010
just count them up on wikipedia. top 16 is where the biggest risk and thus the biggest busts are. If you blow the 28th pick it isn’t as detrimental.
my rules were totally arbitrary and i get what you are saying but the fact remains DEs tend to bust out when taken that high.
jaws. - March 15, 2010
Isn’t he using pick 16 as Wimbley’s cutoff point?
Roger Dorn - March 15, 2010
Wimbley was the 13th pick though.
Bernie19Kosar - March 15, 2010
16 is just he first half of the draft. Arbitrary number but whatever. top 16 are the worse half of the teams who need a hit on the pick more desperately.
Anyway don’t worry about it every player is an individual case, but I still am not a big fan of drafting Morgan or Pierre Paul
jaws. - March 15, 2010
And how, exactly does that compare to other positions?
And how many of those 51 are “tweener” players? You can’t put tweeners in one category by themselves and then lump them in with DEs in another. That makes no sense.
rufio - March 15, 2010
exactly…it is completely arbitrary, lazy research. While my research posts tend to be long, I try to cover all the bases.
bross09 - March 15, 2010
the question is, how many of the 51 were tweener players. you whole logic is screwed up, even ignoring the arbitrary number of 16.
you are arguing that tweeners are higher of a risk. by your logic, because less made the pro bowl not only do the bust more, but they aren’t as successful.
there are multiple things you fail to do to make any logical argument/research.
a) you fail to mention or calculate how many of the 51 that were drafted were tweeners.
If the number was let’s say 20 and 8 made the pro bowl, that is 40%. It would be 38% for all other players too. By failing to mention this, you fail to even point out if tweeners actually make it to the pro bowl at a lower rate. I would personally think 20 out of 51 is pretty accurate…it might even be slightly lower, because there weren’t as many as used to be drafted.
b) how you classify tweener. do you classify it as someone who plays in a 3-4, or someone who only fits a 3-4.
c) the fact that you fail to mention the % of busts. this whole thing started because you said:
Now where did you talk about busts here? absolutely nowhere. you just mentioned Pro bowls.Lets theoretically say that guys who don’t have to switch positions make pro bowls at a higher rate…does that make them less risky? What if they were twice as likely as a tweener player to bust? You do not address the issue of busting at all. what you need to do is also figure out a % of each of tweener and normal 4-3 DE and find out what % are busts…but personally after this, I would rather see B19K do it.
bross09 - March 15, 2010
But how many of the 51 do you consider tweeners? You gotta change the denominator if you are going to change the numerator based on tweeners. 8 of 51, even by your arbitrary standards means absolutely nothing.
Ryan Kelsey - March 15, 2010
I would say Hali isn’t a bust. he has had some very good seasons and has been a good value for where they took him.
bross09 - March 15, 2010
No chance. Maybe if Jerry Hughes falls but other than that its dumb.
jaws. - March 14, 2010
i wouldnt mind that
scc2o4 - March 14, 2010
Trusnik is not an outside guy, Veikune is still a massive project and I have heard rumors is being groomed to play on the inside. benard is nothing special, and hall might not be with the team much longer.
They need a guy who can stop the run and rush the passer, a guy who has been consistent and has talent (benard is nice but not much upside at all).
If bradford and Berry are gone, watch them get Morgan.
bross09 - March 14, 2010
jason pierre-paul, anyone?
sww2109 - March 14, 2010
seriously??? Yeah, lets draft a guy who had only one year of D1 experience, never put up spectacular numbers, and was mediocre in that one season when defenses weren’t paying him that much attention.
bross09 - March 14, 2010
yeah, we absolutely cannot miss with this pick. Pierre Paul is a boom or bust guy If i’ve ever seen one.
jaws. - March 14, 2010
Wait…isn’t the DEFINITION of a boom or bust guy is that they will either be great or a BUST??? Contradictory much?
I would rather have a guy who put up very good stats in college, is polished, might not have elite physical skills but has good pass rush moves and is a safer pick. I just don’t want to miss again that high, especially on a guy who is all upside…that is what wimbley was too. go back, he didn’t have great college stats either…neither did JPP. you know who did? Lamarr Woodley. you know who did? Damarcus ware…Derrick Morgan, Brandon Graham.
I am not saying that production in college directly correlates, but if you aren’t an effective player in the big east in college, I don’t have confidence in your abilities to be effective in the pros. take away the JC stuff, and pad the stats slightly, and JPP is Wimbley 2.0, except slightly bigger
bross09 - March 15, 2010
Yeah, I DONT want to pick Pierre paul, too big a risk.
jaws. - March 15, 2010
exactly. He never produced in college…neither did wimbley. this is why I am arguing morgan could be good. In general, there is a correlation between getting sacks and producing in the pros and producing in college. there will always be guys who produce in college but not in the pros (like gholston) but guys who put up good numbers in college are much more likely to succeed than guys who put up mediocre numbers.
bross09 - March 15, 2010
Don’t act like he didn’t produce. He had one year in South Florida and had 6.5 sacks. That isn’t bad.
TheRealSlimShady - March 15, 2010
It is for a first round talent. for a first round guy, I want someone who has produced at a high level for at least one year.
what he did was get 6.5 sacks as an unknown player, when teams were double teaming George selvie, in one year of D1-A experience, in the big east. Honestly, the 7.5 sacks Wimbley got his senior year were much more impressive b/c
a) Higher level of competition with more attention payed to and better stats
b) the fact that it wasn’t his first year in D-1A.
Please name me players who have had 6.5 sacks or fewer their senior year and were drafted to rush the passer in the first round?
Then, find someone who did not produce significantly at a D1-A school before that year…I don’t know if you can find one…
6.5 sacks is pretty pedestrian for an unheralded player in the big east. that isn’t bad for the third round or maybe the 2nd but bad for the first IMO.
bross09 - March 15, 2010
Big East still had Davis, Capers, Haslam, and Joe Thomas. All have a good chance at getting drafted.
TheRealSlimShady - March 16, 2010
Joe Thomas?
Anyways, I am not saying there aren’t good tackles.
I went onto prodraftparty.com and saw his highlights and lowlights.
When he played WVU, he was mildly effective but he was most effective when they mixed up where he was rushing from. only once out of the 6-7 plays did he get free of selvish capers. capers was able to contain him pretty much. the plays JPP made that they showed, he was mostly making against the run, or not lined up against capers…I looked up the stats, he had no tackles, no sacks, and only one QB hurry (no stat for it but saw it on tape)
I didn’t see many plays where he lined up against davis (at rutgers). The couple i saw, he did get dominated. He faced up and did fairly well against Haslam. Still haslam has a fairly good chance at getting drafted but I don’t see him going higher than the 5th round. He could go undrafted. Haslam is a marginal NFL prospect and it was against him that he had one of his best games.
I also saw him dominate the RT for Cincinnati. I looked it up, their DT was a 1-2 star recruit as a DE and was 217 pounds as a freshman. he was a RS junior RT that weighted 255 pounds. he was smaller than JPP…and he got dominated.
He also did well against syracuse…Syracuse was a pretty bad team. their RT was a walk on (from what I can find out…no scout.com or rivals profile) who has basically no shot at getting drafted.
I say RT a lot b/c JPP was listed in most places as the LDE on the team. that means he lined up over the RT. They had selvie on the other side. He did play against some left tackles but saw much less success when doing this. He was able to dominate some mediocre Right Tackles, but I doubt if he can be a consistent player against NFL caliber RTs.
bross09 - March 16, 2010
I believe he was talking about the Joe Thomas who is in the 2010 NFL draft. He went to the University of Pittsburgh.
Not the chosen one.
Bernie19Kosar - March 16, 2010
oh. I didn’t know there was another Joe Thomas
bross09 - March 16, 2010
There can be only one!
North Coast Flea - March 16, 2010
Joe Thomas actually is the only known human that can reproduce asexually. Each clone though, is not as powerful as the original but are the only creatures of the Earth allowed to share the same name.
SpecialBrownie - March 16, 2010
there isn’t. there are only millions who yearn to be him.
Dawg Nuts - March 17, 2010
or maybe WVU runs the same freakin plays over and over again and he was bound to get a few right! Bubble screen right, zone read, bubble screen left, zone read. Sorry that is a post for a different website, but had to say it. For some reason we are scared to death to throw the damn ball downfield.
Kimble_79 - March 17, 2010
Actually I looked at the game…he had 0 tackles…he basically got shut down by selvish capers and had only one play where he put pressure on the QB that they showed.
bross09 - March 17, 2010
I just realize I misunderstood what you said. by the wording I thought you implied that we can’t miss by taking JPP…I think we agree, I just can’t read.
bross09 - March 15, 2010
He has the tools, but I would rather see if he can put it together for someone else.
Don’t get it wrong though, someone will take those tools early.
Bernie19Kosar - March 14, 2010
I agree. That high, I would like a guy who has actually contributed to a college team…especially contributed for more than one year.
bross09 - March 15, 2010
I’m intrigued by the acquisition of Peyton Hills
APV - March 14, 2010
He’s large, slow, white, and a fullback from the South. There is also a rumor of him making a pass at the coaches wife. He instantly makes this roster 80% more interesting.
gahnki - March 14, 2010
not that slow. He ran a 4.58 40. for a HB that is average (even for a power back) but for a FB, that is great. I kind of see him as a white, poor man’s version of LeRon McClain. He can be a goal line back too and started games at HB in 2008. He is in some ways like what you would get with toby gerhart…except that he has experience playing FB and can play it and block well, wheras I have heard talk that teams will switch gerhart to FB possibly (or the FB/RB role).
bross09 - March 14, 2010
Hillis is GREAT for the west coast offense. He can play a diverse “Mike Alstott” kind of role with this team. He can carry the ball 8-10 times a game if you ask him. He could be your main short yardage back and be a factor in the passing game.
Guy is a good option coming out of the backfield and could flex out and be an H-back as well. I see him being a nice factor in the single back sets where he can come across the formation and blow up the scraping linebacker on the inside zone or he can pop the backer for a count and then run past him into the flat on the playaction. he is a nice piece for the west coast offense.
jaws. - March 14, 2010
I agree.
I like him getting 5-7 carries a game in short yardage situations. He is a good blocker so can fill in at H-Back (and maybe TE in goal line situations). he has soft hands and blocks well for a Running back. remember, he is actually a FB that they had as an RB the first season. he can truly play either. he played FB in college and paved the way for DMac and Felix jones…plus he was solid running and catching when he got the opportunity.
He also has underrated speed (4.58 40), especially for a FB. He can do so many things for a team and is still extremely young. he can develop into that type of H-Back that has to be accounted for on many plays (3rd down situations)
bross09 - March 15, 2010
peyton
for a guy his size (which is really big) he’s really fast. yea he’s white. why does that matter? He’s got great hands and can catch the ball. a damn good blocker. The University of Arkansas didnt use him enough. and the denver broncos didnt either. the denver broncos coach sucks anyway. The browns got away with a good trade on this one
Jacob Ty Cauley - March 15, 2010
did you get to see him play against LSU in his senior year?
Jacob Ty Cauley - March 15, 2010
?
Villeslgr - March 15, 2010
I agree, I like Hillis a lot.
Roger Dorn - March 14, 2010
“Touchdown” Peyton Hillis
rockybrown - March 14, 2010
The difference between Hillis and Touchdown Tommy is that Hillis has actually scored touchdowns in this league.
golanbatrac - March 14, 2010
You mean Turnover Tommy? I mean honestly how many QBs in history have thrown the ball down the wrong end of the field?
North Coast Flea - March 14, 2010
no….Tommy Vardell, Browns fullback out of Stanford from 20 years ago
rockybrown - March 14, 2010
Ah, before my time of consciousness in sports, so I thought of Tommy Maddox.
North Coast Flea - March 14, 2010
I think a great comparison to touchdown tommy is Gerhart
a) they were both power backs or FB/RB tweeners (fullbacks who could carry fairly well)
b) both went to stanford
c) neither had great (nor elite) physical skills but put up great stats in college
d) because of the stats, Vardell was wildly overdrafted (and I believe gerhart will be too)
bross09 - March 14, 2010
He’s a good fullback, but he’s no Weaver.
I’m certain he’s not better than Vickers either.
Simmsinns - March 14, 2010
He’s got good hands though.
golanbatrac - March 14, 2010
He is a mangini try hard guy. Massive bruiser running back who has been a boss for them. He didn’t play much last year (mysterious circumstances) but he really carried them in a couple games when they lost all their running back depth to injury. A bit like Furrey he even stepped in at linebacker for them a little bit. Ultimate Mangini guy.
jaws. - March 14, 2010
The Broncos folks over at MHR seem to like him a lot but considered him underutilized. For what that’s worth….
RelapsingDawgCatcher - March 14, 2010
He had huge games as a rookie vs Miami, NY Jets and KC. He was looking like a All-Pro FB after 2008. He didn’t fit in at all under McDaniels.
Pros: Great receiver, runs powerful and pretty fast and has a nose for the end zone.
Cons: Fumbler, can’t block for squat and no good on ST.
He’ll make the 2010 Browns roster (easily).
McGeorge - March 14, 2010
well, he looked to be a solid blocker for a guy who isn’t a true Fullback.
for what we got, he is a great complement to Harrison.
bross09 - March 14, 2010
i love him, short yardage back, he’s a RB/FB
rockybrown - March 14, 2010
I actually am more interested in him as a RB/receiving/running/utility back than as a blocking FB.
He was pretty good in Denver’s zone blocking system a few years ago, but who wasn’t?
rufio - March 14, 2010
You've confused Peyton Hillis with Spencer Larsen
Hillis has not played defense. Spencer Larsen is the FB/MLB hybrid you’re referring to. When Hillis got his shot at RB in 2008, Larsen went from FB2 to starting FB1, and also started at MLB during the same game when Denver went to Atlanta. He became the 4th(I think) player to start both ways since the merger. Hillis got injured a few games later, and never regained a starting role. In 2009, on those rare occasions that a play was called which required a FB, Coach McDaniels opted for Larsen. We liked Hillis alot because he showed some grit in 2008 under Shanahan, but he just didn’t have a place under the new staff. He’s a quality player though, and will make Browns fans proud.
MDbroncosfan - March 14, 2010
Like any new regime, McDaniels went out and guy running backs he liked, such as buckhalter, and Moreno…
This forced Hillis to be more of a true fullback instead of the RB/FB role.
I do agree. I think he can excel in the RB/FB role and be a 3rd down guy who can run for short yardage, catch the ball, and block.
bross09 - March 14, 2010
the misterious circumstances were that
a) they got a great backup runningback in Buckhalter
b) They drafted a back in the first round
c) They got a veteran backup in Lamont Jordan
d) they lost their regular fullback so Hillis who was a RB/FB and started at RB in ‘08 became a full time fullback in a league (and on a team) that doesn’t run fullbacks much.
bross09 - March 14, 2010
That wasn’t Hillis, it was Spencer Larsen.
Bernie19Kosar - March 14, 2010
I would imagine Lawrence Vickers will be the next Brown to get traded. One of the best lead FBs in the league. Not a perfect west coast FB per movethesticks twitter
scc2o4 - March 14, 2010
somewhere, moon weeps.
Dawg Nuts - March 14, 2010
Actually, he just had a post today where he was talking about vickers not fitting. And he was a big Peyton Hillis fan, going back to last season. I’m even more certain that he is behind this trade.
gahnki - March 14, 2010
just more proof that he is secretly randy lerner.
bross09 - March 14, 2010
that would not make me happy
APV - March 14, 2010
Vickers isn’t going anywhere. Hillis will be lining up behind him.
golanbatrac - March 14, 2010
This. At least I hope so.
North Coast Flea - March 14, 2010
yeah, i agree. vickers has been one of our best, most consistent contributors the past few years.
Dawg Nuts - March 14, 2010
He had more to do with Harrison’s strong finish last year than Harrison did. He was literally playing the position better than anyone I’ve ever seen play.
golanbatrac - March 14, 2010
absolutely agree.
Dawg Nuts - March 14, 2010
I agree, but I think he is a goner.
Bernie19Kosar - March 14, 2010
I think there is no chance we let him go. Hillis wasn’t brought in to be a full-time blocking fullback.
Roger Dorn - March 14, 2010
I don’t think Hillis is a FB.
But, the front office has chased another FB already this offseason, I think they want to go another way.
I mean Leonard Weaver is a nice player, but if we would have given up a second rounder for him, I would have flipped my sh*t.
Bernie19Kosar - March 15, 2010
I would have too. I like Weaver but I think Vickers is about as good. This might have just been a case of management getting players they were familiar with. like mangini went after Jet players, Holmgren got his backup QB from seattle. Holmgren also got Weaver as a UDFA in seattle and then heckert picked him up last year, so it was a guy they were both familiar with.
bross09 - March 15, 2010
That would have been awful.
Roger Dorn - March 15, 2010
Weaver is an absolute monster.
I’m not entirely sure our second rounders will have as much of an impact as he could have had. Of course this is all just speculation (and I’m not saying I’d support giving up a 2nd round pick for him), but writing Weaver off just because he’s listed as a “FB” is a mistake. He can make plays all over the field and does so.
Simmsinns - March 15, 2010
I agree, I think he is like LeRon McClain.
That being said, he still isn’t worth a second rounder.
Bernie19Kosar - March 15, 2010
If we could get solid value for Vickers, there’s a chance we let him go. He “doesn’t fit the west coast offense”, if that means anything.
rufio - March 15, 2010
Hopefully that first sentence is hyperbole.
kwoog - March 15, 2010
Not at all.
golanbatrac - March 15, 2010
C’mon, I’m a fan of Vickers too, but lots of those yards were after getting by the first level. Of course running the ball is a synergy, but there’s no way in hell Jamal runs for those yards. Ergo, Harrison’s at least as responsible (but in reality, much more so).
kwoog - March 15, 2010
yeah, lots of those yards were after getting by the first level. who makes sure he makes it past that? Vickers. The reason jamal wouldn’t have done that is because he’s just too plain slow. anybody with decent speed for a running back would have made those plays.
notthatnoise - March 15, 2010
Holmgren already said the intent behind all of the tendered players was to retain them.
Roger Dorn - March 14, 2010
He also said he wasn’t going to blow up the team.
North Coast Flea - March 14, 2010
Not true. Someone from the front office said that everyone except Thomas, Wright, Cribbs and Mack were available.
Roger Dorn - March 14, 2010
He said that when he first came in.
North Coast Flea - March 15, 2010
Adam Schefter saying Oakland’s 3rd rounder
rockybrown - March 14, 2010
Hillis is only slightly better than the Cracker Jacks, but we already have Vickers…
Simmsinns - March 14, 2010
Hillis is going to be the short yardage running back
rockybrown - March 14, 2010
I like this idea.
Simmsinns - March 14, 2010
Well you can cross off trade Quinn now.
emily522 - March 14, 2010
Well guys, its been fun…
TheRealSlimShady - March 14, 2010
You a Broncos fan now?
Roger Dorn - March 14, 2010
yep. It’s a shame. I really enjoyed talking to some of the guys here like you, bernie and rufio.
TheRealSlimShady - March 14, 2010
mooncamping threatened the same thing.
rockybrown - March 14, 2010
I think Moon will be more committed to the Browns now than ever before.
North Coast Flea - March 14, 2010
DBN got robbed on the moon for TRSS trade.
rufio - March 14, 2010
Dude, that’s not nice.
Brownie's Year - March 14, 2010
Mooncamping is funnier than Seinfeld, we robbed Denver.
Roger Dorn - March 14, 2010
Wait… Moon left too?
emily522 - March 14, 2010
No, he used to be a Broncos fan before becoming a Browns fan. (Don’t ask, we have never received the explanation.)
Roger Dorn - March 14, 2010
He left because they traded Cutler. I have no idea how he ended up here.
gahnki - March 14, 2010
He probably meant to go to the Bears website, saw the ass on Eric Steinbach and couldn’t leave.
Bernie19Kosar - March 15, 2010
eewwww
Brownie's Year - March 15, 2010
No. Moon came from Mile High, TRSS is leaving for Mile High.
SpecialBrownie - March 14, 2010
Oh, okay.
emily522 - March 14, 2010
Agreed.
I find myself reading everything he posts, and constantly thinking I couldn’t make any of this up if I tried… really hard. It’s priceless.
Simmsinns - March 14, 2010
Any picks come with that?
RelapsingDawgCatcher - March 14, 2010
Nose pickings I’d assume
SpecialBrownie - March 14, 2010
Its all conditional.
TheRealSlimShady - March 14, 2010
Condition: you finally leave.
SpecialBrownie - March 14, 2010
I laughed at this for a while. REc.
TheRealSlimShady - March 14, 2010
If so…
Just kidding. ;)
Seriously though, it was fun having you here. I don’t condone being a fan of the player over the team, but that’s you prerogative than so be it.
Never been a fan of Brady Quinn but I wish him well in Denver… kind of.
Simmsinns - March 14, 2010
Glad to have you, disappointed that your allegiances are player-based, but good luck with the Broncos.
Roger Dorn - March 14, 2010
Thanks. I don’t really see what is wrong with player based allegiances.
TheRealSlimShady - March 14, 2010
When the player isn’t playing, it’s stupid.
gahnki - March 14, 2010
Maybe that’s your opinion, but I’m not following wins, so why should you decide how i follow teams.
TheRealSlimShady - March 14, 2010
If you follow the players then why did you bother changing your screen name when Quinn was not the starter any more..? I personally was holding out hope for Quinn to make it this year……………
Jayson732 - March 14, 2010
The screwed up thing is, Brady will probably thrive and become an All Pro for Denver. Denver will always find a way to frak us, and of course we frak ourselves best. What does it mean to be a Browns fan?
It means, screaming at the TV so loud the neighbors on the next block hear you, being pissed off on Mondays/Tuesdays, and Having your Heart ripped out repeatedly by that Mile High Smiling Jesus’. I’m disappointed that this team still doesn’t get it. “Player Developement”, is why the Patriots can consistently do what they do. We on the other hand are tards, and will be tards for years to come. I’m gonna hate work tomorrow, listening to all of those crap faced cowboys fans.
I sure hope this pans out, and if it dont Mike is going to get justifiably Crucified.
J. W. - March 14, 2010
Being on a Browns website, this is obvious.
Bernie19Kosar - March 15, 2010
I’m not sure I understand this term you speak of….what is a win
Kimble_79 - March 15, 2010
A mythical beast that lives in our imaginations.
North Coast Flea - March 15, 2010
Absolutely everything
Is the short answer.
I think the guys here are going easy on you. To change colours based on one player is extremely fickle in my eyes. But like was pointed out earlier, it’s your prerogative to do so. Just as it is others to react accordingly. In my case team loyalty goes above everything else in football, hence my reaction. Loyalty to a player and not a team is not a concept I can at all identify with.
But as I said, horses for courses.
Go Browns.
Terrible Terry Tate - March 14, 2010
Well my loyalty is to Notre Dame if you put it that way. Quinn is my favorite player from Notre Dame.
I don’t live in Ohio.
Why should I follow the Browns instead of my favorite player?
TheRealSlimShady - March 14, 2010
if the loyalty is to ND, then BQ doesn’t matter anymore because he isnt there.
Dawg Nuts - March 14, 2010
This.
North Coast Flea - March 14, 2010
I follow them in the pros.
TheRealSlimShady - March 14, 2010
Hmmmm.....
Sounds like you guys got a bandwagoner on ur hands. A true fan sticks to one team and only one team no matter what happens, or who leaves the team period. Either ur a browns fan or not dude.
Suleku - March 14, 2010
He’s made no secret of the fact that he’s a Quinn fan and that that’s as far as his loyalty goes. No harm in that.
golanbatrac - March 14, 2010
until Quinn wasn’t starting any more that is…..
Jayson732 - March 14, 2010
If I was a bandwagoner wouldn’t my favorite team be one that made the playoffs?
nice try though.
TheRealSlimShady - March 14, 2010
No it just means you are on the BQ bandwagon, not a specific team’s.
North Coast Flea - March 14, 2010
It's called One-man Bandwagoner plz look it up
on epsn.com: http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=hruby/bandwagon/080620
Suleku - March 15, 2010
Santonio Holmes played at OSU. I liked Santonio Holmes.
Santonio Holmes plays for the Steelers. Santonio is dead to me.
That is how it is done.
Bernie19Kosar - March 15, 2010
exactly.
notthatnoise - March 15, 2010
yep…Santonio Who? Wasn’t he in the godfather?
bross09 - March 15, 2010
+1 yes sir
Suleku - March 15, 2010
+10
Jayson732 - March 15, 2010
That's contradictory
to your team philosophy. I agree. Hate the Steelers, HATE the Ravens, but that’s more due to the history between the franchise’s. Holmes didn’t request to go to the Steelers, just like Troy didn’t ask to be in Baltimore. As a die hard O-state fan, I’ll always wish any Buckeye success in the pro’s. I hope the Steelers and Ravens lose every game they play, but I’d still wish those guys success. “he’s dead to me” is just childish.
So this goes without saying that you absolutely hate Michigan. What if the Browns drafted Michigan players and they turned out to be pretty good? Makes my stomach turn, but how would you handle that Mr. Kosar?
navycavsfan - March 15, 2010
+1
The Licensed Pessimist - March 15, 2010
disagree. if you’re a brown, you’re a brown and i love you. if you’re a steeler, you’re a steeler and i hate you. college allegiances mean nothing to me in this rivalry.
i’m a penn state fan; but franco harris is an all-time asshole. that’s how it works for me.
Dawg Nuts - March 15, 2010
It is very simple. I would love the guy.
Think of it like this, I love the Buckeyes and I love the Browns. Those two things don’t go hand in hand though.
I can hate guys in college that I love in the Pro’s (K2 and Braylon when he was catching the ball).
I can love guys in college that I hate in the Pro’s (Troy Smith and Santonio Holmes).
In 99% of the cases, the name on the front of the jersey is much more important than the name on the back of the jersey.
Bernie19Kosar - March 15, 2010
right. For me it comes down to this: I care about the NFL more than I care about the NCAA. for that reason, I personally do not like santonio holmes or troy smith. if they change teams, I’ll like them again, because it doesn’t interfere with my browns fandom. But if I have to choose between being a browns fan and being a bucs fans, browns every time.
I should also point out the only reason I started following college football was because robiskie went to ohio state.
notthatnoise - March 15, 2010
I think you misunderstood me then. Nothing interferes with my Browns “fandom”. But as Bernie so eloquently put it “In 99% of the cases, the name on the front of the jersey is much more important than the name on the back of the jersey.”
I think we all have the same philosophy, some of us apply it differently. As a Browns fan, I will never like the Steelers, Ravens, or Broncos. But as an Ohio State fan I will never wish ill upon those guys personally because they had no choice in going to teams we hate. In a perfect world, Holmes would have great #’s but the Steelers would lose every game and the Browns would be in the Superbowl
navycavsfan - March 16, 2010
I refuse to cheer for the success of any steeler player, regardless of where they came from, because the name on the front is more important than the name on the back.
notthatnoise - March 16, 2010
I still hold out the hopes that he’ll come home someday…..
North Coast Flea - March 15, 2010
Agreed.
But I still like Laurinaitis!
emily522 - March 15, 2010
OK, well you care about pro football more than college. I am the other way.
TheRealSlimShady - March 15, 2010
Let me put it another way. It’s not for me or anyone else to tell you why you should and shouldn’t follow a team. You have absolutely every right to follow whoever you want and for your reasons.
But quite honestly, when I read you were cashing in your chips and then when I realised you were serious, I couldn’t actually believe it. There’s a Terry Tate sized man mountain of difference between being a fully fledged Browns Backer and being a Brady Quinn fanboy.
And I’m sorry to say it, but a decision to actually root for Denver rather than the Browns just because Quinn has been traded puts puts you firmly in the latter bracket.
I don’t think that’s under any dispute at this point.
But my overall point?
You shared time and opinions here with people who were fans before Quinn was drafted and will still be fans long after he is traded. Guys following the Browns for 20, 30 years. Guys who were there at Cleveland Municipal stadium, the guys who cut their seats out to take with them. People who gave you the time of day and read your comments and engaged with you as a Cleveland Browns fan. But all of a sudden, nah, you don’t follow the Browns anymore because BQ is gone?
Team hopping isn’t looked upon favourably by most real fans no matter what the sport. And for good reason. With no loyalty and no allegiance, you’re just a trade or a cut away from another bandwagon to follow. So that’s why I’d be more set in my ways than most. Browns fans shouldn’t be any more welcoming of your decision to jump ship than Broncos fans should be at you arriving at their blog with a wide smile and a Quinn jersey.
We’ve all seen our favourite players move on, the difference is we’re about the team. The colours that don’t run. Cheering for Montana against SF as a 49ers fan when you’re frustrated and don’t think Young is the guy, well…
That I can get. Provided you STAY A 49NERS FAN.
Same with liking Denver a lot more because your guy went there.
But cashing out altogether? As fickle as it gets in the world of pro sports fandom if you ask me. And bear in mind, I reiterate, you can do what you like.
At this point I’m reminded of that scene in the Sopranos with Tony and Big Pussy on the boat, when Pussy gives what is basically his farewell speech and Tony greets it by saying simply:
“Hey Pus. Did you ever really exist?”
Terrible Terry Tate - March 14, 2010
In team sports, it’s the laundry, it’s always the laundry.
elsandito - March 14, 2010
I see what you are saying, but it isn’t going to change my mind. I don’t really care how bad of a football fan you think I am.
TheRealSlimShady - March 14, 2010
That’s touching and I’ll keep in mind that you don’t care because simply knowing that greatly enriches my life.
Terrible Terry Tate - March 14, 2010
“fanboy”… i love the term, i using that one
rockybrown - March 15, 2010
dont switch teams to go root for a backup, and why Denver?, go for the top man, Saints is where its at
rockybrown - March 15, 2010
or buffalo…
Dawg Nuts - March 15, 2010
You do know that TTT is a Browns fan all the time way in Britain?
SpecialBrownie - March 14, 2010
Sweet. Not that anyone cares, but moving to England= my dream.
emily522 - March 14, 2010
Don’t. I almost moved there last year to be with my sister, Big Brother is in your house.
Brownie's Year - March 14, 2010
But it would seem so cool to live there.
emily522 - March 14, 2010
That’s because you don’t know what’s going on.
Brownie's Year - March 14, 2010
Guess so. It’ll never happen anyway.
emily522 - March 14, 2010
What are we talking about again?
Terrible Terry Tate - March 14, 2010
emily522 - March 14, 2010
Ah yeah, I get the references to Big Brother and assume it’s something to do with all the cameras whereby someone paid a visit and was surprised by the amount. Or someone read a statistic on Britons being the most watched people on earth or something similar. But there are all assumptions, made as the general conversation passed me by.
Terrible Terry Tate - March 14, 2010
What? England has more cameras than China. How is that an assumption?
Brownie's Year - March 14, 2010
The assumption’s are on my part about what all the Big Brother 1984 stuff refers to, IE, Britain having lots of cameras. Which could be wrong, hence why I asked.
Terrible Terry Tate - March 14, 2010
Ah man, as much as I want to talk about this, we can’t.
Brownie's Year - March 14, 2010
Because they are watching us?
gahnki - March 14, 2010
No, smartass.
Brownie's Year - March 14, 2010
No worries at all. FOOTBALL BABY, etc etc.
Terrible Terry Tate - March 14, 2010
plus basically no guns (government control of the people) but that’s a different issue.
bross09 - March 14, 2010
Oh, if you’re referring to “It’ll never happen anyway”… I mean I’ll never move there so it doesn’t really matter.
emily522 - March 14, 2010
I guess you saw the ad for reporting your neighbors as terrorists if they keep to themselves?
North Coast Flea - March 14, 2010
You too can be declared unmutual.
RelapsingDawgCatcher - March 14, 2010
That’s not what I was talking about, but that’s pretty close.
Brownie's Year - March 14, 2010
like the british show??? that would be AWESOME!!!
bross09 - March 14, 2010
No, Big Brother from the book 1984.
SpecialBrownie - March 14, 2010
I figured…
bross09 - March 15, 2010
You want people watching you in your home? wtf
Brownie's Year - March 14, 2010
In the words of Cosmo Kramer “If people want to watch, then by all means, enjoy the show!”
Bernie19Kosar - March 15, 2010
“You know, I’ve faked it”.
Brownie's Year - March 15, 2010
I just thought if the actual cast from the show was living in my house (like I rented to them or something) that would be very interesting…
bross09 - March 15, 2010
1984 is in full swing there.
Brownie's Year - March 14, 2010
Awesome.
SpecialBrownie - March 14, 2010
Great book, eh? Too bad it’s reality now.
Brownie's Year - March 14, 2010
We’re that close to socialism.
Now back to football!
SpecialBrownie - March 14, 2010
You guys are playing a dangerous game. I’m talking kicking down the doors dangerous!
Terrible Terry Tate - March 14, 2010
True…
emily522 - March 14, 2010
Really? I live here because of work, not altogether sold on the place though. But yeah, they take being a fan very seriously over here.
Terrible Terry Tate - March 14, 2010
GO ROVERS!!
Brownie's Year - March 14, 2010
OK. Good for him.
That doesn’t mean I have to. It’s not like I’m a 40 year old fan that just became a saints fan.
TheRealSlimShady - March 14, 2010
No, you’re a 16-ish year old fan who became a Broncos fan.
SpecialBrownie - March 14, 2010
yeah, lol have some pride dude…..
Jayson732 - March 14, 2010
OK. so…
TheRealSlimShady - March 14, 2010
I’m done with it. He just want’s attention, like my 4 year old nephew.
Brownie's Year - March 14, 2010
yeah…and TRSS can’t stay one because he doesn’t live in Ohio
bross09 - March 14, 2010
Well, one good thing is (as long as he keeps number 10) you can still wear your pink Quinn jersey no matter where he goes…
johnnyphoenix - March 14, 2010
Ok then, see you later..don’t forget to write (from denver)…NOT.
Oh god what if we draft Jimmy Clausen??? Then he will be back for sure…..seeing as how he is the ultimate ND fan.
Mr Orange - March 15, 2010
TTT, while totally acknowledging that being a fan means different things to different people, I absolutely have to salute this perspective. I can’t imagine following any team the way I have followed the Cleveland Browns, and that’s as it should be. Well said, sir.
RelapsingDawgCatcher - March 14, 2010
yes. I totally agree. i was born and bred a Dawg. I don’t usually like bandwagoning people. I respect people who like teams that are good for a certain aspect. I honestly have always secretly liked the colts b/c Peyton was one of my favorite players coming out of college (but so was Vick…that was a mistake).
To me, it just baffles me to change allegiance, not on being good, but a player you like. at least bandwagoning on success seems logical in my mind. I can’t honestly comprehend the logic…
But I cannot follow a team like the browns. I post on The cavs and Indians SBN sites but nowhere near as much as on here. I like the conversations better, the people talk more (about the same as for the tribe, but much more than for the cavs) and I seem to find the most loyalty and consistent base here at DBN.
bross09 - March 14, 2010
Excellent application of the saying “horses for courses”…
Spidey - March 14, 2010 via mobile
Happy trails if that’s the case, TRSS. Going to go back to BradyQuinnisBeast now?
RelapsingDawgCatcher - March 14, 2010
I think it should be BradyQuinnturnedoutnottobeabeastatall
Roger Dorn - March 14, 2010
BradyQuinnisGettingaFreshStart?
RelapsingDawgCatcher - March 14, 2010
BradyQuinnGotTradedForAFullback
Brownie's Year - March 14, 2010
Winner
gahnki - March 14, 2010
I like this game
notthatnoise - March 15, 2010
BradyQuinnWillBeABackup
North Coast Flea - March 15, 2010
Dude, knock it off. The depression is all in your head. Snap out of it!!
Brownie's Year - March 14, 2010
How is that being depressed?
TheRealSlimShady - March 14, 2010
My bad. It sounded like you were. Don’t go anywhere. We like you here.
Brownie's Year - March 14, 2010
That is too bad.
Hopefully you stick around.
Bernie19Kosar - March 14, 2010
the rest of us are insulted (jk)
notthatnoise - March 15, 2010
He'll be back.... lol
Suleku - March 14, 2010
gahnki - March 14, 2010
we wont miss you, but you’ll be back posting here
rockybrown - March 14, 2010
huh?
TheRealSlimShady - March 14, 2010
you only follow a player, not the team?
rockybrown - March 14, 2010
Boy, those were a couple of putrid draft picks.
Pruitt - March 14, 2010
if we dont get atleast a third rounder for wimbley it was not a sound deal…
we should take lefevour in the third round, delhomme will mentor him and seneca is a good backup…not saying we should start lefevour right away but joe flacco started his first year
brandeezy09 - March 14, 2010
Holmgren is taking somebody in that third round.
Pre-order your #15 Tebow Jerseys now!
jaws. - March 14, 2010
Please God NO!!!!!
Skov17 - March 14, 2010
I not a fan boy of Tim Tebow (don’t see an NFL QB), but you honestly don’t think he’ll be a weapon in the NFL?
I suspect he’ll be a beast in short yardage and goal line opportunities. A rare and hard to match up with weapon if used properly.
I’d love if the Broncos took him in round 3, but I think he’ll be gone in round 2.
McGeorge - March 14, 2010
We have Peyton Hillis now. Tebow would be completely redundant.
Ryan Kelsey - March 14, 2010
Yahtzee!!!
rufio - March 14, 2010
yep…but imagine what mooncamping will think. not only do we have vickers and hillis (who he seems to have been a big fan of) but Tebow is the perfect build for his Fullback…plus he can have the fullback play QB and run an all fullback option; with a triple option of Hillis and Vickers at RB and Tebow at QB.
bross09 - March 14, 2010
i think Maurice Carthon already ran that one here
rockybrown - March 15, 2010
maybe…this is something that is likely on the mind of moon though…
bross09 - March 15, 2010
He isn’t drafting Tim Tebow.
gahnki - March 14, 2010
This. it isn’t happening.
Dawg Nuts - March 14, 2010
Better not be.
emily522 - March 14, 2010
Roger Dorn - March 14, 2010
Does he post here?
gahnki - March 14, 2010
Twitter
Roger Dorn - March 14, 2010
No, it was a joke because he sounds like us.
gahnki - March 14, 2010
Twitter
jaws. - March 14, 2010
quarterbacks
This might not be popular, but as a Vikings fan who has a lot of respect for Browns fans, I think this will be a positive for the Browns.
Jake Delhomme was an average to good quarterback until he had a throwing arm injury. In late 2007, he had Tommy John surgery. The interceptions he threw should not be surprising. It can take two or more years to recover from that surgery, as we know from baseball. There is a good chance Delhomme can bounce back in 2010.
Holmgren is obviously installing the West Coast Offense, while leaving the defensive scheme the way it was. There might be some additional creativity to the offense, though, as Mangini will have input on it.
Brady Quinn really was a bust, or at least not worth the 1st round pick. Even if he could become an effective backup, he is better suited to the Erhardt-offense that the Broncos run.
When the Vikings installed the WCO in 2006, it took awhile. We needed some veteran quarterbacking until the offense was ready to go.
When Holmgren was with the Seahawks and Packers, he got the starting quarterback via trade. Delhomme is not the Browns’ QBOTF. The Browns might draft a quarterback this year in the first or second round.
So far the Holmgren era looks promising for the Browns. Definitely a painful start, but promising.
medicineball - March 14, 2010
I agree. Thanks for the support and the respect. I do respect the Vikes too. I always try to root for the teams that haven’t won a SB b/c I feel their pain (but sometimes a part of me wants them to fail just b/c of jealousy). It was so hard for me to root for that championship game b/c I liked both the saints and Vikes teams…plus I have been a lifelong Favre fan.
I do believe that the management is doing the right things and it is nice that other people are seeing that.
You may be right about the tommy John with delhomme. While I do not have a ton of confidence in him, I am not gonna say it was terrible completely b/c of last season.
bross09 - March 14, 2010
It was easy for me, I dislike Favre, it was Saints all the way.
North Coast Flea - March 15, 2010
I guess we we see more of Matt Roth, Marcus Benard, Alex Hall, and David Viekune this year
rockybrown - March 14, 2010
I reckon Hall gets cut after training camp.
skipkirk - March 15, 2010
I think I said that to him one of the 20 times he posted this.
bross09 - March 15, 2010
Haha sorry man
I don’t really read all of the comments (especially if it’s 700 in a post)
skipkirk - March 15, 2010
yeah. I just use Z…Its not problem though…I was more commenting on seeing the same post about 10 times.
bross09 - March 15, 2010
We need to follow in the browns footsteps xD
Great job gettin’ rid of quinn brownies now. Help us get rid of Jamarcus Russell…
Suleku - March 14, 2010
only god can create miracles
rockybrown - March 14, 2010
He could strike Al Davis down, but thats about it.
jaws. - March 14, 2010
If he keels over this season, you’ll know why.
Simmsinns - March 14, 2010
he should switch to tight end, seriously, 6’8, 280
rockybrown - March 14, 2010
I heard he’s over 300
TheRealSlimShady - March 14, 2010
He’s your starter….. for ev er
Brownie's Year - March 14, 2010
Noooo he isn't lol
and hopefully al davis will finally see the light and retire next season :)
Suleku - March 14, 2010
I feel your pain. If my dad din’t raise me as a Browns fan, I would have been a Raider fan. Bay Area for life baby.
Brownie's Year - March 14, 2010
The only light that will make Al Davis retire is at the end of a long dark tunnel.
North Coast Flea - March 14, 2010
yeah. I do root for that to happen. I just feel bad for you guys having that maniac control the team.
bross09 - March 14, 2010
Incoming wave of Browns criticism for giving up a “potential Franchise quarterback” for a FB and draft picks.
We’ll see about Brady Quinn I guess.
jaws. - March 14, 2010
“Franchise Quarterback” lol please…. you guys can do better then quinn tho
Suleku - March 14, 2010
Will we? Do you think he starts in Denver this year? Next? Ever?
Ryan Kelsey - March 14, 2010
Don’t know. I’m referring to talking head speculation.
jaws. - March 14, 2010
Yeah. I agree the speculation and the cries from fans will be annoying for a bit. But it really will only be bad if Quinn succeeds. I don’t see that happening. I don’t see him starting.
Ryan Kelsey - March 14, 2010
If he does succeed, I’ll go crazy.
emily522 - March 14, 2010
Thats why I wanted to see him somewhere other than denver. I hate the broncos.
jaws. - March 14, 2010
Just don’t jump ship and become a Denver fan like BQIB aka slim shady…lol
Jayson732 - March 14, 2010
No, I won’t. I’ll just be extremely pissed off.
emily522 - March 14, 2010
If he starts in denver....
The raiders will look like a superbowl team against them hahahaha no need to worry brownies :P
Suleku - March 14, 2010
Anyone else have a very cathartic feeling right now? Getting rid of Quinn & Anderson just feels good.
gahnki - March 14, 2010
+1
AMEN!
Simmsinns - March 14, 2010
Even with mixed feelings on BQ, yes. Time to press on!
RelapsingDawgCatcher - March 14, 2010
Mixed feelings, but I think the decision was right.
emily522 - March 14, 2010
i am having mixed feelings on Wimbley, but Roth, Benard, Hall, Veikune will get a lot more plying time
rockybrown - March 14, 2010
Oh yeah. It’s a splash of ice-cold water to watch two first rounders get shipped out on a low note, but this is breakup has been long overdue.
joeee - March 14, 2010
Well said Gahnki
Spidey - March 14, 2010 via mobile
Yes
APV - March 14, 2010
WOW
FINALLY , Cleveland beats Denver
SALTY DAWG - March 14, 2010
Man, you are just striking out with these jokes.
rufio - March 14, 2010
I found it slightly funny.
North Coast Flea - March 14, 2010
There are some rumblings that we got a 2nd for Wimbley.
Roger Dorn - March 14, 2010
2nd or 3rd, i’d be extremely happy either way. with that pick, i’m sure holmgren will get a guy that will contribute more than kam did.
Dawg Nuts - March 14, 2010
A Raiders 2nd rounder would be fantastic! (39 overall)
Simmsinns - March 14, 2010
If it is, we just fleeced them.
gahnki - March 14, 2010
Not doubting you, but can you post a link?
gahnki - March 14, 2010
Sorry, it’s just random chat boards at this point, there is no real source. 2nd or 3rd seems to be most likely.
Roger Dorn - March 14, 2010
Whoa, for real?
emily522 - March 14, 2010
that would be hugggge
brandeezy09 - March 14, 2010
Side note, LT is now a Jet
Skov17 - March 14, 2010
Good signing for them.
gahnki - March 14, 2010
LT is done. what is he going to get carries over Shonn Greene and Leon Washington ?
rockybrown - March 14, 2010
Tomlinson from Jones is quite the downgrade.
Simmsinns - March 14, 2010
yeah, i really don’t get that at all… for two old runningbacks tomlinson has had the far better career but jones has played much better of recent
sww2109 - March 14, 2010
He’s a different type of back. Greene and Jones were both bruisers. LT is shifty.
gahnki - March 14, 2010
was shifty
rockybrown - March 14, 2010
recent? LT is done, seriously. he has declined rapidly the last two years.
rockybrown - March 14, 2010
Thanks Skov. That’s interesting news.
Brownie's Year - March 14, 2010
No worries!!
Skov17 - March 14, 2010
I wish him the best, but not when he plays us this year.
Brownie's Year - March 14, 2010
DRAFT PICKS
Can someone tell me , or give me a rundown , on how many draft picks we have , by rounds .? Roger ?
SALTY DAWG - March 14, 2010
12 right now this year. One in rounds 1,2,4,…3 in round 3, 4 in round 5 and I think 2 in 6
Skov17 - March 14, 2010
I smell more trades. 12 rookies cant make the team…
jaws. - March 14, 2010
Maybe we trade up to KC’s spot to take Berry
Skov17 - March 14, 2010
i now think we’re gonna trade up for bradford. with the QB shuffling and acquisition of more picks, i see it happening.
Dawg Nuts - March 14, 2010
Only if he makes it past the number 1 pick
Skov17 - March 14, 2010
maybe, but i think holmgren is too much of a QB guy not to have a grander scheme right now.
Dawg Nuts - March 14, 2010
Too many other needs. Holmgren is better off leaving the qb position until later in the draft, seriously.
jaws. - March 14, 2010
WE could also package our 2nd and a couple more picks to get back into the 1st round if we wanted.
Skov17 - March 14, 2010
QB is the biggest need on any team. If you think you have a chance to take a good qb, and you need one, you never pass it up, regardless of other needs.
notthatnoise - March 15, 2010
They can always trade this year’s picks for options in later years. The Pats are great at this. Trade a 4th this year for a third next year., etc,
gahnki - March 14, 2010
I would love to see some of this or some packaging of 4th+ rounders to move back in to the 3rd or even 2nd rounds. Hard to do, but it would be great.
rufio - March 14, 2010
that would be nice, there is a lot of talent in the early to mid rounds this year…
Jayson732 - March 14, 2010
This.
I have been begging for this front office to take advantage of this. Heckert and the Eagles have also been awesome at this, so hopefully it carries over.
Bernie19Kosar - March 15, 2010
Yes, he certainly has a good track record. I would imagine that would continue with his time in Cleveland
Kimble_79 - March 15, 2010
do it if you can. Savage fell for that trap to move up to take Beau Bell, Martin Rucker, and Paul hubbard. Traded away better picks the next year.
rockybrown - March 15, 2010
But those were three awesome players. I think one of them might still be in the NFL!!! After all this time, still in the league? Crazy. That Savage sure had an eye for talent. Awesome moves!!
TheDriveStillHurts - March 15, 2010
4th rounder, 4th rounder and 6th rounder.
Small potatoes.
Bernie19Kosar - March 15, 2010
Not when you give up additional picks to acquire them. Then it becomes a horrible choice.
Roger Dorn - March 15, 2010
The sarcasm is strong with this one.
North Coast Flea - March 15, 2010
thank you
SALTY DAWG - March 14, 2010
Well 3 in 3 if Wimbley trade was in fact a third otherwise if its a 2nd we have 2 second rounders
Skov17 - March 14, 2010
We are definitely drafting a QB.
emily522 - March 14, 2010
Dear Brady,
You didn’t do anything for the team really, but I will miss your good looks.
—Emily
emily522 - March 14, 2010
Hahahahah, reminds me of all the girls at the Browns Backers bar!!!!
Skov17 - March 14, 2010
I’m a girl and I speak the truth haha.
emily522 - March 14, 2010
They used to cringe anytime he got sacked
Skov17 - March 14, 2010
They must have developed lock jaw.
gahnki - March 14, 2010
Brady traded for Peyton….um….wut? Oh.
Red-Right-88 - March 15, 2010
its cool, as long as you’re not leaving for milehighreport like slimshady
rockybrown - March 14, 2010
No, of course I won’t leave. I can still look at Brady in a Denver uniform haha.
emily522 - March 14, 2010
My daughter and the rest of her first grade class will miss him as well… :) she wore her Brady Quinn jersey every Friday to school….
Jayson732 - March 14, 2010
“Nice” goes here. Reply fail and all that.
RelapsingDawgCatcher - March 14, 2010
Nice.
RelapsingDawgCatcher - March 14, 2010
Another side note real quick!! I love that the Cavs are spanking Boston right now!!!!!!!
Skov17 - March 14, 2010
At least Holmgren is getting rid of the draft mistakes from the past. Good moves, if they got a 3rd for Wimbley that’s pretty good for a marginal starter. Just getting Quinn out of Cleveland for anything was a good move. I’m guessing a QB goes to them pretty early.
Cols714 - March 14, 2010
Agree.
Roger Dorn - March 14, 2010
i agree…after so much losing i am willing to give almost anything a shot
brandeezy09 - March 14, 2010
how pumped?
are you for the draft!!! saturday night in primetime baby
brandeezy09 - March 14, 2010
I dislike the primetime feel. I always liked taking an entire Saturday off for the NFL Draft.
gahnki - March 14, 2010
I agree!!!
Skov17 - March 14, 2010
i like the primetime draft, split like this over 3 days, adds some more intrigue for day 2
rockybrown - March 14, 2010
Although, this should allow me to attend the Ohio State Spring Game now.
gahnki - March 14, 2010
I hope they broadcast it online again. That was huge.
rufio - March 14, 2010
thur nite = 1st round…….. Fri nite = 2nd, 3rd…….. Sat afternoon = 4th thru 7th
rockybrown - March 14, 2010
I was so mad when they changed the draft schedule. Hopefully I can get home in time for our first pick.
Brownie's Year - March 14, 2010
There’s a Peyton Hillis highlight reel at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7K9cSqlca4w
We all know these kinds of things are trivial, but there’s some enjoyable watching here….
RelapsingDawgCatcher - March 14, 2010
hahahaha :30 in that video is Hillis running over Wimbley in embarrassing fasion.
jaws. - March 14, 2010
I was going to mention that but figured it’d be a surprise…..
RelapsingDawgCatcher - March 14, 2010
Thought one of the comments on You Tube was rather amusing too lol, “Before Chuck Norris goes to bed at night, he checks under his bed for Peyton Hillis”
Hope that is true lol…..
Jayson732 - March 14, 2010
It isn’t, he checks for Joe Thomas.
North Coast Flea - March 14, 2010
Ghosts don’t tell ghost stories, they tell Joe Thomas stories.
Matt Y. - March 15, 2010
Joe Thomas once gave up a sack just to see what it felt like, that and because DA was a douche.
North Coast Flea - March 15, 2010
LMAO
Kimble_79 - March 15, 2010
he fits in with that hard working tough guy mindset of the browns of old…..im a fan…he keeps his feet moving very well
brandeezy09 - March 14, 2010
I love this guy, he could be a hybrid H-back guy. Tons of options could line up in the backfield or motion out playing an H-back. great versatility. Think Aaron Hernandez at Florida.
jaws. - March 14, 2010
So… who is our QB going to be now? This is crazy!
emily522 - March 14, 2010
we are drafting one for sure
brandeezy09 - March 14, 2010
this year, Delhomme, 7 million reasons $$$$
rockybrown - March 14, 2010
Tommy John surgery and he hasnt been the same QB since…
Red-Right-88 - March 15, 2010
That’s what happens when you have Tommy john on your shoulder.
golanbatrac - March 15, 2010
From what I’ve been hearing on the radio, I wouldn’t be surprised if they went after Tebo, as long as its not before the 2nd round it’s all good to me…lol
Jayson732 - March 14, 2010
Please noooooo… No Tebow for me.
I won’t be happy if we use more than a 5th on him.
Simmsinns - March 14, 2010
Jerseys
Wimbley was my last Browns jersey that was still on the team. Joe Jurevicius, Charlie Frye, Braylon Edwards. I should stop buying jerseys.
james23 - March 14, 2010
Yeah, just buy a LeBron Jersey…. oh wait.
jaws. - March 14, 2010
dont even joke about that losing LeBron
rockybrown - March 14, 2010
I’m waiting to see if he resigns until I buy his jersey.
emily522 - March 14, 2010
it seems like a crap shoot at this point with jerseys, at least until Josh got his contract…and I’m sorry but I’m not paying 140 dollars for a Josh Cribbs jersey unless it is signed.. call me a cheapskate…lol
Jayson732 - March 14, 2010
I got a signed one for 90
North Coast Flea - March 14, 2010
We have a store at the mall in Zanesville called Cardboard Heroes, over Christmas they had all Browns’ jerseys 50% off, all except for Josh Cribbs that is. Even at 50% off they were close to $80, they were the fancier stitched number variety though…
Jayson732 - March 15, 2010
Well 90 after talking the guy down a bit.
North Coast Flea - March 15, 2010
Flag.
rufio - March 14, 2010
me too! i’ll tape it over and its instantly a Jamir Miller Throwback
rockybrown - March 14, 2010
rockybrown - March 14, 2010
#73
rockybrown - March 14, 2010
buy a joe thomas jersey, hes never going anywhere. that’s gonna be my next one, probably this season.
Dawg Nuts - March 14, 2010
I’m going to buy a Cribbs or Thomas. I can’t go on with just a Quinn jersey now.
/prays… please let some good player be #10 so I can tape over!
emily522 - March 14, 2010
My 9 year old got a Cribbs jersey for Christmas, he was sooooo stressed out when all the contract stuff was going on…lol
Jayson732 - March 14, 2010
it is tough, my son has a winslow and my daughter an edwards
rockybrown - March 15, 2010
NOO!!! Dont even think it, let alone say it
rockybrown - March 15, 2010
Thus is the peril in buying browns jerseys, I put in a similar reply to a comment by emily in another post, at least I still got my signed #16.
North Coast Flea - March 14, 2010
This is my only real problem with the trade – my gameday wardrobe! Ha!
Quinn’s was the first Browns jersey that I’ve purchased.
I’m going to see about flipping the nameplate over.
“NO DA!!!” would also fit.
tribe71 - March 14, 2010
my trent dilfer jersey barely got any use. after that I was done with jerseys.
troy145 - March 14, 2010
it was Andre Rison for me.
da36chamberz - March 14, 2010
jeff garcia…
bross09 - March 15, 2010
Chris Speilman here.
mich_n_trum84 - March 15, 2010
I have 2 of the 4 jerseys listed here.
North Coast Flea - March 15, 2010
I still rock my tim couch jersey
notthatnoise - March 15, 2010
3/5
North Coast Flea - March 15, 2010
I’m guilty of that one myself
Kimble_79 - March 15, 2010
me too. i have:
eric metcalf #21
tim couch #2
brady quinn #10 (got it for $7 because its imperfect)
metcalf has been getting a lot of wear…
Dawg Nuts - March 15, 2010
You paid more for Quinn than the Broncos.
golanbatrac - March 15, 2010
Man, this joke just writes itself, doesn’t it?
I have only #19. Maybe it’s time to add another immortal. Joe Thomas? Josh Cribbs?
RelapsingDawgCatcher - March 15, 2010
Seneca Wallace?
Western Reserve - March 15, 2010
Nah, Ratliff.
RelapsingDawgCatcher - March 15, 2010
I take it Mike Holmgren was not impressed by the Savage era.
Roger Dorn - March 14, 2010
"You’re gone, you’re gone, you GTFO, you’re gone…."
Seems like it.
Brownie's Year - March 14, 2010
Having a Nigel Wick kinda day…
jaws. - March 14, 2010
This is what walterfootball says. Anyone else notice the huge contradiction?
“Broncos acquire QB Brady Quinn from Browns for FB Peyton Hillis, 2011 6th-rounder and 2012 late-rounder.
I don’t like Brady Quinn; his deep accuracy sucks and he never seems comfortable in the pocket. But this is a great trade for the Broncos (what?) ; they’re getting a potential franchise quarterback (?) for an unused fullback and two late-round picks. That’s an amazing bargain. "
emily522 - March 14, 2010
He also thinks the Delhomme signings and Watson signings are bad for the record.
emily522 - March 14, 2010
I don’t read walterfootball nor care about his opinion. Potential franchise QB? Even though he was saying the BRowns should draft a potential franchise QB as recently as 2 weeks ago since we didn’t have one? I don’t see how these two statements he has made work together.
Roger Dorn - March 14, 2010
I don’t care about his opinions either. And that’s why I pointed out his major contradiction. He says Quinn’s accuracy and pocket presence is bad… but yet he could be a franchise QB? And why would this be a good trade if he thinks he sucks so badly?
I just go on walterfootball for the mocks because they’re pretty good.
emily522 - March 14, 2010
It’s simply impossible for the media to give any Cleveland sports team a compliment. Holmgren could somehow manage to trade Indy Robert Royal for Peyton Manning and Cleveland would still get bashed. It’s just like the “LeBron should leave Cleveland” garbage that’s everywhere in the media.
mgtbfb - March 14, 2010
The reason it is a good deal is that a 6th round pick, plus another late pick, is a very small price tag to take the chance on Quinn turning it around.
Bernie19Kosar - March 15, 2010
So in Jimmy Clausen we trust.If he is still there when we draft that will be the QB taken by Holmgren.
Brownsfan4ever - March 14, 2010
dont ever repeat that prediction on here again, it is not allowed
rockybrown - March 15, 2010
We’ll take Jimmy Claussen and then TRSS will be back posting on DBN
BornInThePound - March 15, 2010
That would actually require him to leave.
North Coast Flea - March 15, 2010
I do not want Jimmy Clausen. I used to be open to drafting him, but a gut feeling says no. I wonder if Holgren’s trying to do a major trade up to get Bradford?
emily522 - March 14, 2010
But that would be unlike him since he’s never drafted a QB in the first round. Here comes Colt McCoy, Dan LeFevour, or someone like that…
emily522 - March 14, 2010
Just please no Tebow.
North Coast Flea - March 14, 2010
I know.
emily522 - March 14, 2010
Mike Holmgren when asked about who will be his QB of the future: link
jaws. - March 14, 2010
I like LeFevour…..
Brownsfan4ever - March 14, 2010
I think I’d rather have him than McCoy, but I’m not sure.
emily522 - March 14, 2010
I’d rather have McCoy, but it will take a higher pick to get McCoy.
rufio - March 14, 2010
Out of curiosity, why’d you rather him?
emily522 - March 14, 2010
I would rather have him because he’s more accurate and had a better college career against better defenses.
notthatnoise - March 15, 2010
McCoy is going to be a good QB.
Bernie19Kosar - March 15, 2010
His ridiculous accuracy.
I think his draft stock isn’t high 1st right now because of his height, his lack of great arm strength, and that arm injury. I think height and arm strength are overrated and accuracy is underrated.
He is a little smallish for a guy that you expect to be taking hits from Ray Lewis, Casey Hampton, etc. though.
rufio - March 15, 2010
I still think he has a chance to be the best QB from this class.
notthatnoise - March 15, 2010
I like McCoy, but he has the smallish concern, the durability concern and the weakish arm concern. He could be very good but he could also be alex smith. I’m not sold on him.
jaws. - March 15, 2010
maybe i’m having a brainfart here, but what are his durability concerns?
notthatnoise - March 15, 2010
that shoulder injury in his last college game. Also just being a little smaller and thinner than dudes like Roethlisberger, people think that leads to durability concerns.
jaws. - March 15, 2010
a brainfart indeed. was that injury one to be really worried about or is it more of a minor concern?
notthatnoise - March 15, 2010
compared to sam Bradford’s shoulder, more of a minor concern. But being a bit of a smaller guy (not the mountain of muscle that is Tim Tebow) people get a little concerned about his chances of withstanding blows from 330 lb guys who bench upwards of 400lbs. Might not be a huge concern but its still a knock nonetheless.
jaws. - March 15, 2010
well…just pointing out (devils advocate, but I agree with you) that being bulky does not make guys able to withstand blows…didn’t BQ end the last 2 years on IR?
bross09 - March 15, 2010
yeah i dont know if it actually correlates but thats what some people think. I think injuries are just unpredictable.
jaws. - March 15, 2010
Quinn had a broken finger and broken foot.
Pretty fluke injuries if you ask me.
Bernie19Kosar - March 16, 2010
well…(I am referencing another sport here) they said the same thing about larry hughes when he came to the cavs. they said, “well he has had injuries but they were all fluke injuries”. what ends up happening? Hughes gets injured and is never the same.
I am no way saying that this is what will happen with BQ, I am just saying that this is obviously a significant concern to GMs who are going to invest in him.
bross09 - March 16, 2010
quinn ain’t our problem now.
I just hope we don’t draft pike, i have the feeling his bones are made from glass.
jaws. - March 16, 2010
No…they are made of bits of glass, pins and needles, and scrap metal….or at least his arm is.
bross09 - March 16, 2010
I wouldn’t worry dramatically about a guy with his frame if he had been perfectly healthy in college. I woudl still worry a bit, but it is so much more b/c of his injuries.
bross09 - March 16, 2010
Quinn was perfectly healthy in college.
Injuries happen in the NFL. If it isn’t an arm injury, then it shouldn’t be a huge deal for a QB.
Trying to predict injuries is impossible. Ask Courtney Brown.
Bernie19Kosar - March 16, 2010
He was talking about tony pike.
jaws. - March 16, 2010
yep…courtney brown didn’t have college injuries…but he was injury prone in the NFL.
all I am saying is that this is a factor in the value of quinn. whether quinn is healthy or not in college doesn’t matter much.
I completely disagree. If a guy ends 2 straight seasons on the IR, than it is a significant concern.
bross09 - March 16, 2010
If he blows out both of his ACLs it would definitely be a concern.
North Coast Flea - March 16, 2010
if he ends 2 seasons on the IR it is a concern. it makes him a more risky player in the eyes of a GM and his value will end up dropping.
bross09 - March 16, 2010
I actually agree with this. Its going to at least be something you think about when acquiring the player. Especially when combined with Brady’s supposed lack of flexibility.
rufio - March 18, 2010
yep.
It is too early to define him as injury prone but after 2 injuries in 3 years in the league he is definitely an injury risk and I believe this factored in to the value we got. maybe we feel like we didn’t get a ton for him, but when another team looks, they see a flustered, inaccurate QB who is still young but is also an injury risk.
bross09 - March 18, 2010
It wasn’t a tendon tear or a ligament tear.
It was a broken bone. Twice.
Give the kid a glass of milk and send him back out there.
Bernie19Kosar - March 18, 2010
Danario? Where did you get that?
I heard he tore the same ACL twice…from what I read from press stories. then he has cartilage damage on the same knee.
bross09 - March 18, 2010
I was referring to Quinn.
Bernie19Kosar - March 20, 2010
Didn’t Brady have a Linsfranc (sp?) sprain, not the fracture that would have required surgery?
Also, the finger thing was a broken bone, but it was that his tendon had pulled a chip of the bone off where it was attached, no?
Still, two years on IR in a row, those being the only two years you’ve really played in the NFL…that’s a pattern.
rufio - March 19, 2010
I agree.
I thought we were talking about demaryus thomas who was talked about one some thread…my fault for not reading.
bross09 - March 20, 2010
I thought Quinn just had a broken finger, but now that you mention that it sounds familiar.
On the foot, I don’t think he ever had surgery but that is splitting hairs.
On the whole, he has been injured, but I personally wouldn’t have him labeled as “injury prone”. To me, they were fluke injuries that can happen. Now if he gets hurt this year, I would agree with you.
Bernie19Kosar - March 20, 2010
yep. I have heard the comparison. supposedly many ppl see alex smith 2.0
bross09 - March 15, 2010
If the Browns have shown an interest in LeFevour like bross has said, I won’t be shocked to see us draft him.
emily522 - March 14, 2010
It wasn’t even me that first said it. I think chris posted a page after the combine of player the browns talked to. I have also heard rumors (on here and other places) that confirms their interest.
bross09 - March 15, 2010
I’ve heard the same…just in misc hearsay, nothing confirmed that they like him
Kimble_79 - March 15, 2010
The only confirmed is that they did interview him and talk to him in another situation privately at the combine. this doesn’t mean a ton but he was one of only 2 QBs that the browns did this for…plus I don’t know how many teams interview with a guy projected where he is…even if he is a QB.
bross09 - March 15, 2010
I don’t believe many rumors I hear this time of year. If we are doing things right, we are sending out smoke screens like crazy right now.
rufio - March 15, 2010
that may be true. I would not trust rumors alone, but the browns did meet with Lefevour significantly at the combine. This doesn’t mean that they will draft him but I feel this shows they have an interest.
bross09 - March 15, 2010
That’s an even better smokescreen, too.
rufio - March 15, 2010
bross09 - March 15, 2010
Fun fact.
The Broncos didn’t even talk to Jay Cutler before he was drafted.
Not once. Shanahan didn’t want anyone to know he was interested.
Bernie19Kosar - March 15, 2010
that is interesting…
Like I did just recently point out, this is all speculation on our parts. maybe they are interested, maybe they aren’t…who really knows.
bross09 - March 15, 2010
That’s true, the draft is a very hard thing to even come close to guessing correctly. Isn’t the average somewhere in the 30% correct range for most analysts anyways?
Kimble_79 - March 15, 2010
Brown’s are lefthanding. The talk to LeFevour and Tim Hiller at the combine and then draft Tebow. Theres going to be a browns guy at the Florida pro day hiding in the bushes wearing camo.
jaws. - March 15, 2010
We are not drafting Tebow.
Roger Dorn - March 15, 2010
I am only half serious.
jaws. - March 15, 2010
I am only entirely serious.
Roger Dorn - March 15, 2010
Like McDonalds…I’m loving it
OSUMoneyball - March 14, 2010
this is what i have been saying since this news came out, and i truly believe it.
Dawg Nuts - March 14, 2010
That we’re going to get Bradford?
emily522 - March 14, 2010
I still think it’s more likely we go for a mid-round guy based on Holgren’s draft history.
emily522 - March 14, 2010
yes. i think his plan is for delhomme to mentor and keep the seat warm for bradford until he’s ready. after what transpired today, i’m convinced.
Dawg Nuts - March 14, 2010
I really, really, really hope your right. I would literally buy a jersey of him immediately!!!
Kimble_79 - March 15, 2010
Bradford is going #1. in the words of Mike Ditka: “Period. Cut and dry.”
jaws. - March 14, 2010
Yeah, I think St. Louis is definitely taking Bradford and I don’t see how they’d give that up.
emily522 - March 14, 2010
The Rams passed on Cutler, Matt Ryan, and Mark Sanchez. They need to draft a quarterback this year, and they know it.
jaws. - March 14, 2010
Brady Move
Who pulled this one …..This has Mangini’s name all over it . BQ was never given the confidence or right coaching with the Browns /
I plan on buying my Denver Jersey ASAP and hope he come back to kick the Browns sorry excuse for a professional teams ass!
This team is a joke ……………
BQ fan - March 14, 2010
Thanks for stopping by.
emily522 - March 14, 2010
ok……
Brownsfan4ever - March 14, 2010
I knew that it had to be Mangini’s fault somehow.
golanbatrac - March 14, 2010
Damn him.
emily522 - March 14, 2010
did you know he caused the earthquake in Chile?
Dawg Nuts - March 14, 2010
I heard he belched.
elsandito - March 14, 2010
was that BQIB?
Jayson732 - March 14, 2010
Nice Trolling.
North Coast Flea - March 14, 2010
Is that you, DA?
Chris Pokorny - March 14, 2010
Mr. Malor or Brady Quinn’s mother. Take your pick.
gahnki - March 14, 2010
Go root for Denver. Oh, and f&*! you.
RelapsingDawgCatcher - March 14, 2010
hahahahaha. God I wish brady had gone to the bills. I kinda wanted to root for him, but fuck the broncos.
jaws. - March 14, 2010
“Go root for Buffalo” ?
Simmsinns - March 14, 2010
Classic line.
Brownie's Year - March 14, 2010
Buy the jersey. He won’t be starting, you nutsack.
Brownie's Year - March 14, 2010
…and then you can have 2 Quinn jerseys gathering dust, as he sits on the bench…again.
Crazy Ray - March 15, 2010
Well, I can’t say that you couldn’t see this coming. I would have like to see Brady for one more season, but in Holmgren I trust! I think for sure we draft QB somewhere in the later rounds. i also think we package some form of trade to move up for Berry.
Kimble_79 - March 14, 2010
Please. I don’t want to deal with the emotional stress of a day 1 (or day 2 in this year’s setup) quarterback pick.
APV - March 14, 2010
I was wondering where this post went…I couldn’t find it and reposted below…my bad
Kimble_79 - March 14, 2010
thats what I’m hoping.
jaws. - March 14, 2010
what?? I just posted something and now I cant find it….lets try this again…
Well I guess we all saw this coming with Quinn, kinda mixed feelings on Wimbley. I wish Brady well, but I’m glad the saga is over and we can move on. I definitely think we draft a QB in later rounds and I’m thinking we package a deal to move up for Berry as well
Kimble_79 - March 14, 2010
i keep seeing people saying that we’ll draft a QB in the later rounds; i thought we’ve discussed it that not many great QBs come out of the late rounds. i don’t want another charlie frye, i want a manning, brees, rivers, etc. holmgren probably does too.
Dawg Nuts - March 14, 2010
Yes, but look at Holgren’s draft history… he has never drafted a QB in the first round.
emily522 - March 14, 2010
that means nothing to this draft. if he thinks his guy is in this draft, he take him where he needs to. that argument is like the argument that we shouldn’t take a WR with our first pick because of braylon. it is irrelevent to what exists in this year’s draft.
Dawg Nuts - March 14, 2010
I’m not saying his tendency can’t change, though.
emily522 - March 14, 2010
I’m just saying with his tendency I would be led to believe that he would. You could be correct as well. Guess we’ll just have to see
Kimble_79 - March 14, 2010
I think that’s true, but anything in the first two rounds is just going to be too much for me. I don’t want another Couch or Quinn.
APV - March 14, 2010
Me either, but if a guy is gonna be the next Bernie for us than I say pull the trigger.
North Coast Flea - March 14, 2010
The whole point of the jake delhomme signing is to make us not have to draft a QB in the first. He can find a more developmental guy who will take time later in the draft, or shore up the roster this year and go QB in the first round next year. I HIGHLY doubt we try for a qb in the first this year.
jaws. - March 14, 2010
disagree. i think delhomme is the veteran to mentor/keep the seat warm for our drafted QB. i’ll continue to say i think he’s gonna try to trade up for bradford.
Dawg Nuts - March 14, 2010
I just don’t see why St. Louis would be willing to do that. I’m convinced they’re taking Bradford.
emily522 - March 14, 2010
they have a lot of needs. if you offer them something good enough, why wouldn’t they? let’s be clear too, i’m not saying i hope holmgren does this, i just think he’ll try it. it’s also completely dependent upon holmgren thinking bradford is his guy. because of our QB moves, i think he does.
Dawg Nuts - March 14, 2010
no way St Louis doesn’t take Bradford….they need some star power immediately..I personally believe that if you have a chance for a franchise QB, then you take it. I think they will do that.
Kimble_79 - March 14, 2010
He better not.
It is a really bad move to pay the price to trade up to the first pick.
Bernie19Kosar - March 15, 2010
Oh how I wish this was the NBA sometimes…
SpecialBrownie - March 15, 2010
It is a hefty price tag, I think Bradford is borderline on being worth that trade
Kimble_79 - March 15, 2010
No, he’s not.
Suh isn’t even worth that move.
SpecialBrownie - March 15, 2010
It will cost 75 million in real money.
It would probably also take two first rounders and a second or two.
If we weren’t willing to do it for Cutler, then we damn well better not do it for Bradford.
If Bradford is on the board at 7, I am game. But I swear to Joe Thomas if we trade up I will punch my neighbor in the face.
Bernie19Kosar - March 15, 2010
It’s a moot point. Bradford is going number one and not even the browns are dumb enough to trade up to #1. Rams need a QB, need to make the pick.
jaws. - March 15, 2010
I would trade up a spot or two for Suh, Berry, or Bradford. Only if we were giving up sub draft value chart value, though.
rufio - March 15, 2010
Recced for “I swear to Joe Thomas”.
North Coast Flea - March 15, 2010
It will cost 75 million in real money.It would probably also take two first rounders and a second or two.
Pass.
emily522 - March 15, 2010
…at this point, a mystery.
RelapsingDawgCatcher - March 14, 2010
agree…mentor, starter, towel boy, holdng down the bench….who knows
Kimble_79 - March 14, 2010
Can’t draft based on being afraid. Can’t do anything in football based on being afraid.
rufio - March 14, 2010
I like what the Browns are doing, they have a QB now that can manage a game, and yet throw the deep ball, with the trade of Wembly, it opens the draft for a defensive end or linebacker. With the Raiders 3rd round pick it adds to the stockpile. for a package deal of picks to move up or down to acquire more picks. This isnt over yet stay tuned
AMANFORALLSEASONS - March 14, 2010
Welcome to Seattle East
And I ain’t talking about no coffee shop.
Gott in Himmel!!
Drofintellact - March 14, 2010
I think it is also worth noting that Quinn has shown himself to be on the fragile side in the NFL – not a good thing for an quarterback
APV - March 14, 2010
Agreed. This really should get more attention. Yeah his injuries seem a little flukey, but the bottom line is he ended up on the IR each of the last two seasons.
Ryan Kelsey - March 14, 2010
And he has a nasty habit of being punched by defensive linemen in the weight room.
gahnki - March 14, 2010
yeah…I pointed it out recently on here b/c I always forget about it too…he seems to be a fragile guy.
bross09 - March 15, 2010
I don’t know much about football, I guess, but I find this whole thing incredibly depressing. Not sure why we needed to dump Quinn to go forward, especially to dump him at such a low point for a platter of crap.
I guess we needed to get worse to get better, but seemed like we were already pretty frickin’ bad.
I guess that most here have faith that the developmental project that we pick is more likely to develop into a good QB than the currect project that we had. I’m not convinced.
dgcambridge - March 14, 2010
Holmgren and crew watch tape of BQ and decided there wasn’t enough there to develop further. I’m surprised people think they are better qualified to make a separate judgement?
elsandito - March 14, 2010
That logic boils down to saying that every move made someone like Holgrem must be the correct one.
dgcambridge - March 14, 2010
Whether or not Holmgren’s moves work out eventually, they have been made by a much more experienced and informed person than any of the fans. That MH failed to see potential in Quinn, says something about Quinn, not MH. That Ryan failed to see potential in Wimbley says more about Wimbley than Ryan. That Jake is considered a better bet than Quinn, considering Jake has seen better days, says Quinn has been judged and dismissed by a guy who knows qbs.
elsandito - March 14, 2010
good point. Somebody saw something they didn’t like in Quinn and same thing somebody didn’t like something about Wimbley.
jaws. - March 14, 2010
while i was rooting for Quinn (its just my nature to root for the underdog) I can’t agree more with this statement.
Kimble_79 - March 14, 2010
How are we getting worse by ridding us of a mediocre QB and an OLB who has just one move? Neither of these guys contributed to the success experienced at the en of the season. And neither guy showed much promise to make this team into a championship calibre team.
Had the team gotten rid of Thomas, I can understand the feeling of getting worse, but we are no worse than we were at the end of the season, and we have more picks to improve.
Spidey - March 14, 2010 via mobile
People act like we are breaking up the 72 Dolphins.
Roger Dorn - March 14, 2010
Yeah really. We are just cutting the fat. Getting rid of guys mangini felt were expendable.
jaws. - March 14, 2010
Multiple choice. These trades were:
a) necessary and smart
b) breaking up the ’72 Dolphins
dgcambridge - March 14, 2010
Actually people are acting as if we are breaking up that hugely successful 2007-2008 Browns team. Oh wait! They are dismantling that team… Holmgren must go!!!
Spidey - March 14, 2010 via mobile
Actually people are acting as if we are breaking up that hugely successful 2007-2008 Browns team. Oh wait! They are dismantling that team… Holmgren must go!!!
Spidey - March 14, 2010 via mobile
Yep. These guys aren’t all that great, or at least they are completely replaceable.
Cols714 - March 14, 2010
Our QB situation is worse. I understand that we’re going to try to draft and develop a guy for, what, 2012? But we’re worse now. That might be the right move, but I find it depressing.
dgcambridge - March 14, 2010
I think that’s debatable. Hell, I like Wallace a whole lot better than either BQ or DA. And while it’s unlikely that Delhomme is even reasonable, it’s not out of the realm of possibility. BQ becoming a viable starting quarterback at any point in his career? That, to me at least, is highly unlikely.
jdudas - March 14, 2010
Arguable at best.
Were you expecting to compete next season? Perhaps the issue is not with the moves, but your expectations. A quarterback of the future will be found somewhere, and BQ showed nothing to make anyone believe he was it.
I don’t see how. View Anderson and Delhomme as a swap that saves you $2 million and you are left comparing Quinn and Wallace. Wallace has performed decently in limited time; Quinn has performed poorly in slightly more time. Not what I would call a “downgrade.”
At the least, I believe we are about as talented at the position as we were two weeks ago, i.e. not very.
gahnki - March 14, 2010
Yes, I expected us to play better next year. Still not allowed to expect that, huh? Another year…another year. I prefered to see Quinn in a stable situation with Holgrem at the top. I just would have liked to give him one more year, rather than dump him for nothing.
Wallace and Delhomme are irrelevant – no one expects them to be NFL starters at this point. Holgrem will bring in some talent to the position somewhere, I’ll be patient. It’s still depressing.
dgcambridge - March 14, 2010
Holmgren expects one of the two to be an NFL starter.
golanbatrac - March 14, 2010
OK, very depressing.
dgcambridge - March 14, 2010
i’ve noticed that holngriem(sp?) has become our new kotknus(sp?).
Dawg Nuts - March 14, 2010
Wow, “Holgrem.”
dgcambridge - March 14, 2010
Wow, you don’t get the inside joke.
SpecialBrownie - March 14, 2010
I think he’s new.
emily522 - March 14, 2010
He’s not. He’s from LGT
SpecialBrownie - March 14, 2010
Well then he’s new to this blog.
emily522 - March 14, 2010
Wait, are you not the same person as LGT’s Clemson girl?
dgcambridge - March 14, 2010
No I’m a different person.
emily522 - March 14, 2010
Strange. I guess each blog gets one. Do you know her?
dgcambridge - March 14, 2010
Nope.
emily522 - March 14, 2010
I find it amusing he thinks all Clemson fans know each other.
SpecialBrownie - March 14, 2010
Well, maybe he figured a Cleveland fan and a Clemson fan would no each other. Don’t see too many of those.
emily522 - March 14, 2010
You sure don’t.
ClemsonGirl - March 16, 2010
I find this meeting pretty awesome.
SpecialBrownie - March 16, 2010
very awesome
rec worthy
Villeslgr - March 17, 2010
What year are you at Clemson? I’m going there next year.
emily522 - March 16, 2010
Oh, you’re actually going to Clemson too?
Also awesome! And where are you located in SC exactly? I’ll be taking a trip to HH in Aug.
SpecialBrownie - March 16, 2010
Yup, I am! They accepted like 400 less freshman this year, so I was really happy to get in. A lot of people at my school were disappointed. Xavier was my second choice but I decided it was too far away.
Well, since it’s the internet I don’t want to say exactly what city I’m in. I’m about 4 hours from HH.
emily522 - March 17, 2010
Haha, good point. I was just wondering. It’d be awesome to live in SC.
SpecialBrownie - March 17, 2010
Yeah, it’s pretty good. Where I live it can get a bit boring.
emily522 - March 17, 2010
To be fair they accepted about 300 extra freshman last year creating a housing nightmare.
ClemsonGirl - March 17, 2010
Yeah, I know about the housing thing. It’s just that it’s getting harder to get into each year so I’m glad I did :)
emily522 - March 17, 2010
Yeah it does. I think it’s because more and more people realize it is actually a good school.
ClemsonGirl - March 17, 2010
Doing wonders to dispel the notion that Southerners can’t count.
gahnki - March 18, 2010
It may have been 300. I thought it was 400 but I could be wrong.
And I’m not a Southerner so I don’t take offense to that haha.
emily522 - March 19, 2010
But also congratulations! From what I can tell it’s a pretty hard school to get in if you’re in-state.
ClemsonGirl - March 17, 2010
Sophomore.
ClemsonGirl - March 17, 2010
Where did you come from?
Brownie's Year - March 17, 2010
Clemson I believe, lol
North Coast Flea - March 17, 2010
HAhaha. REC
Simmsinns - March 14, 2010
Is there a joke I didn’t get?
emily522 - March 14, 2010
They have to be girls, too. The guys don’t go to the meetings.
rufio - March 14, 2010
?
emily522 - March 14, 2010
…anyway, Kat Williams will sometimes talk about a meeting that all of the men had before a show to decide things as a group (you know, because all men are the same, make decisions as a group, and all know each other).
I was referring to this type of meeting (you know, because everyone who is a Clemson fan and also is female knows each other, meets, and make decisions as a group).
rufio - March 15, 2010
A ha.
emily522 - March 15, 2010
emily…dont know if you’ve seen it yet, but you got a Big Ben winking at you in one of these posts…LOL
Kimble_79 - March 15, 2010
I saw it and now I’m scarred for life.
emily522 - March 15, 2010
That was a creepy thing to say.
Brownie's Year - March 15, 2010
Have you ever watched Kat Williams?
rufio - March 15, 2010
you mean the really not funny comedian?
bross09 - March 15, 2010
I like Kat Williams.
Saw him for the first time when I took a friend to the comedy club in Liberty City.
Simmsinns - March 15, 2010
No that would be Dane Cook, don’t know how you mistook a white douche for a black pimp though.
North Coast Flea - March 15, 2010
Anybody watch that Demtri Martin show? I love his humor, but some of his shows lately have been making me question his comedy. I think he was better suited as a one trick pony, than having his own series.
Kimble_79 - March 15, 2010
Stand up is his bread and butter, I like Demitri Martin, but his show is hit or miss, with the latter being more often.
North Coast Flea - March 15, 2010
Yep.
SpecialBrownie - March 15, 2010
Daniel Tosh however, made a good transition from stand up to a tv show.
North Coast Flea - March 15, 2010
Too bad everyone thinks he sucks.
SpecialBrownie - March 15, 2010
That’s not what the ratings say.
North Coast Flea - March 15, 2010
I have seen his standup. Daniel Tosh is hilarious but I don’t find the show funny…the concept of it just doesn’t grab me at all…but it can have its moments
bross09 - March 15, 2010
I think he is pretty damn funny
Kimble_79 - March 15, 2010
Tosh.0 is a very funny 30 mins.
Bernie19Kosar - March 15, 2010
Absolutely agree!
I can’t get enough of that show. His comedic timing is right on the money every single show.
Some might say the viral clips make the show, but they’d be wrong. Not many comics could pull off what he does on a consistent, weekly basis.
Simmsinns - March 15, 2010
he makes the show decent. the viral clips are usually not that good. I am not a huge fan of the show but tosh can make unfunny stuff fairly funny,
bross09 - March 15, 2010
exactly, just look at web soup on g4.
North Coast Flea - March 15, 2010
Wham Bam in the Clam!
Bernie19Kosar - March 15, 2010
Have you ever watched Tosh.0 on comedy central? love that show!
Mr Orange - March 18, 2010
Ha! I mentioned that earlier.
North Coast Flea - March 18, 2010
Dane Cook is loads funnier than katt williams. I just don’t find it funny when you have to swear every other word to get laughs. I have more respect oftentimes for a comedian who is funny and doesn’t resort to easy gags like always telling dirty jokes or always swearing.
bross09 - March 15, 2010
Dane Cook is hilarious! I liked that movie he was in too…Employee of the Month or something like that
Kimble_79 - March 15, 2010
But he doesn’t really tel jokes, he just yells alot, contorts himself, and shouts out brand names.
North Coast Flea - March 15, 2010
Yes he doesn’t tell “jokes”. there are many comedians that don’t tell jokes. I don’t believe he yells a lot (or shouts brand names).
I believe his act is very polarizing but it is a very interesting and unique act. instead of telling jokes, he basically just tells antecdotes with the occasional joke thrown in there. This is a method used by man great comedians (pryor, Carlin, etc…) but very few have ben antecdotal as much as cook. The “contortion” I actually like. He has a theater and improv background so i appreciate the fact that even in his standup, he uses techniques I have learned. I feel that his MOVEMENT on stage enhances the comedy. I was a bigger fan once I saw him live (and saw this)
bross09 - March 15, 2010
Um doesn’t Dane Cook swear alot. I’ve only seen bits of his act, because i’m not a fan, so i could be mistaken.
That said i actually like his acting roles better than his stand up.
Villeslgr - March 15, 2010
he puts them in there, but sparingly. Kat Williams uses them like they are going out of style.
Kimble_79 - March 15, 2010
I’m not a Kat Williams fan either, they both bore me.
Villeslgr - March 15, 2010
You gotta watch Kat in the “stash”.
rufio - March 15, 2010
I’ll have to check it.
Villeslgr - March 15, 2010
that was my point…that he doesn’t swear that much. George carlin would throw in the occasional fuck you…
but katt williams act revolves around swearing every 2 words and telling the occasional dirty joke. this is IMO, from someone studying comedic theater and improv, the cop out method. I like to challenge myself to be funny and avoid this.
bross09 - March 15, 2010
There is no way you study improv.
Villeslgr - March 15, 2010
maybe not “study” but learn and practice. I do read up on improv and practice improv “games” or “formats” such as
Park Bench
Day in the Life
Pan Left
Larond
Harold
Animalistics
blind Harold
Montage
New Choice
Armando
Feature Film
bross09 - March 15, 2010
That was a joke, sorry. I was hoping for a witty retort.
Not your syllabus.
Villeslgr - March 15, 2010
Ha!
golanbatrac - March 15, 2010
its okay. I didn’t get the joke…
by the way, we invented a new game today. we are either naming it flubber or clusterf***.
basically we combine 3-4 games to make a very long “scene” and there are no rules…
bross09 - March 15, 2010
Dane Cook has been 100% downhill since his first Comedy Central bit.
rufio - March 15, 2010
his recent stuff hasn’t been great, but I still think he was good since then. are you talking about vicious circle though? because he was on comedy central really early in his career too.
bross09 - March 15, 2010
yeah, I think his first was in 1998
Kimble_79 - March 15, 2010
Dude, not a cool avatar.
SpecialBrownie - March 15, 2010
I’m from WV so I thought it fit…I like it damn it
Kimble_79 - March 15, 2010
I used to live in WV. It’s all relative there, and if you want to see why I moved read the 1st half of my sig.
North Coast Flea - March 15, 2010
Need not say more…didn’t even need the quote my friend
Kimble_79 - March 15, 2010
yeah..(by the way, 3rd profile pic in the last day or so???)
bross09 - March 15, 2010
yeah, think I’ll stay with this one
Kimble_79 - March 15, 2010
BB won’t though.
SpecialBrownie - March 15, 2010
oh…I see…Let me do some hunting around the net and I’ll find one for good. I really liked this one though
Kimble_79 - March 15, 2010
I’m sticking with one of my early favorites before I even picked my original one. Plain and simple
Kimble_79 - March 15, 2010
Good.
SpecialBrownie - March 15, 2010
That’s about it.
gahnki - March 15, 2010
Probably because they’re all related in some way.
johnnyphoenix - March 14, 2010
Hahahah…if you know anyone from the Deep South, this applies.
gahnki - March 15, 2010
She is not.
SpecialBrownie - March 14, 2010
I can hear you talking, I’m standing right here.
But I’m rare. I’m aware of the inability to spell kokinis. And I’m just saying that my Holmgen typo was particularly bad. If there’s someother Kokinis joke, then yeah, I don’t get it.
dgcambridge - March 14, 2010
There is some other Kokinis joke.
rufio - March 14, 2010
maybe if you look at the upside of BQ it is a downgrade, but is having more upside worth all that money? you didn’t even touch on the fact that BQ will likely cost us more (even on the bench). Last season, BQs salary was 400,000 more than Wallace’s. wallace’s increases to 2.2 million this year, but I believe BQs will too. and it is already at almost 2.1 million…
bross09 - March 15, 2010
I am almost positive Quinn’s money is all tied up in playing time incentives.
If he is good, he will earn that money. If not, he won’t.
Bernie19Kosar - March 15, 2010
that is somewhat true…I don’t know if his salary increases, but his salary last year was more than Wallace’s (and this is not guaranteed actually now that I think about it, but the total from the 3 year extension). Wallace will earn a max of 2.2 million this year, while I believe base salary (and maybe roster bonuses too) puts brady’s contract at 2 million last year…
bross09 - March 15, 2010
Quinn’s base salary has been reported at 700k this year. His base salary for last year is listed at 635k, earning 1.35mil in bonuses and having a cap number of 1.72 million.
rufio - March 15, 2010
Maybe the 2,057,000 (ish) number I saw for last season included bonuses.
wallace makes a max of 2.2 million this year, and likely won’t reach all those incentives.
bross09 - March 15, 2010
I think it was somehow his actual dollar earnings last year, while his cap hit was less.
I was not disagreeing with you, just reporting facts.
rufio - March 15, 2010
true.
I do not pretend to be an expert at this at all. I do not pay attention as much as I should to the economics of the NFL.
You may be right.
bross09 - March 15, 2010
Quarterback A’s 2009 stats: 53.1% completions, 5.2 YPA, 8 TD, 7 INT, 67.2 rating
Quarterback B’s 2009 stats: 55.1% completions, 6.3 YPA, 8 TD, 18 INT, 59.4 rating
even comparing just last year, I consider this about equal
A’s career stats: 52.1% completions, 5.4 YPA, 10 TD, 9 INT, 66.8 rating
B’s career stats: 59.2% completions, 7.2 YPA, 123 TD, 94 INT, 82.1 rating
tell me which you would rather have, then guess who they are.
notthatnoise - March 15, 2010
Quinn and Delhomme.
Bernie19Kosar - March 15, 2010
yes…but I have always found quinns stats to be misleading.
He has had 3 what I call great games (QB rating over 90) and one was against the lions
He has had no good games (between 90-80)
He has had no mediocre games (80-75)
He has had 3 Not that great games (75-55)
He has had 3 straight up bad games (55-30)
He has had 3 Just dreadful games (below 30).
His 67 QB rating gets padded by a few aberrations. it is scary when a QB has as many games with a QB rating over 75 as he does below 30…that is a telling stat for BQ. 3 great games and a pile of crap.
bross09 - March 15, 2010
Have you looked at Delhomme’s game log?
Bernie19Kosar - March 15, 2010
yeah. its also probably similar too, right?
I guess I am just tired of people saying that he has a 67 QB rating so he had a decent year.
But I don’t think either one is good at this point.
bross09 - March 15, 2010
have you looked at it before last year?
notthatnoise - March 15, 2010
thats a good point…but still, a 36 year old guy, you should be looking at his more recent stats rather than what he did a while ago.
bross09 - March 15, 2010
A is quinn and B is Delhomme ?
jaws. - March 15, 2010
Neither.
Simmsinns - March 15, 2010
Would you rather be shot or hung?
RelapsingDawgCatcher - March 15, 2010
Is that a trick question? Easy choice i would imagine.
Villeslgr - March 15, 2010
But you’d prefer to opt out, no? The point, that.
RelapsingDawgCatcher - March 15, 2010
I was in the gutter.
Villeslgr - March 15, 2010
I was thinking the same thing.
North Coast Flea - March 15, 2010
Ah, I get it. Sorry gentlemen. Slow on that one!
RelapsingDawgCatcher - March 15, 2010
Actually, Wimbley developed solid moves other than his duck around move last year. He still wasn’t great.
rufio - March 14, 2010
from Adam Schefter tweet……Some coaches in AFC North texted they’re very relieved that LB Kamerion Wimbley is out of their division. Wimbley now AFC West’s problem.
rockybrown - March 14, 2010
They shouldn’t be…I hope we pick up a stud to make them worry even more
Kimble_79 - March 15, 2010
He developed the moves but they were not as effective as I had hoped. I remember hearing that he was developing new moves and we saw them in the first half but he seemed to regress, movewise in the 2nd half.
bross09 - March 15, 2010
and the OLBs only move was try to run around them and get the QB from behind…it only works every once in a while,
bross09 - March 15, 2010
I don’t see how getting rid of Quinn makes us worse. He hasn’t even been a marginal NFL quarterback in three seasons.
gahnki - March 14, 2010
It does make us less sexy though.
golanbatrac - March 14, 2010
Rec!
emily522 - March 14, 2010
Colt McCoy could make up for it a little bit haha. Not that I really want to draft him, though.
emily522 - March 14, 2010
Wouldn’t he be a good fit for the WCO though? Very good accuracy, decent arm (I think).
emily522 - March 14, 2010
pretty weak arm. No experience under center. He could become a WCO guy if anything but reading as you drop back is hard to learn.
jaws. - March 14, 2010
Gil Brandt said recently that Colt McCoy would make everyone forget about Joe montana.
Roger Dorn - March 14, 2010
Sign me up for Joe Montana.
Roger Dorn - March 14, 2010
For sure.
golanbatrac - March 14, 2010
Too bad Colt isn’t Montana.
TheRealSlimShady - March 14, 2010
Keep in mind what round Montana was drafted in.
Roger Dorn - March 14, 2010
K, but chances are very slim…
TheRealSlimShady - March 14, 2010
Obviously the chances are slim(shady.) The point is Montana wasn’t the next Montana heading into that draft.
Roger Dorn - March 14, 2010
You’re a dry dude, dorn.
joeee - March 15, 2010
That’s funny, I get that a lot in real life and not just in this parallel universe. Thanks
Roger Dorn - March 15, 2010
I get that too, coincidence my first name is Roger?
North Coast Flea - March 15, 2010
Mine, unfortunately is not.
Roger Dorn - March 15, 2010
You chose the moniker though.
North Coast Flea - March 15, 2010
And Montana didn’t come from a spread offense.
TheRealSlimShady - March 14, 2010
You are better than this.
rufio - March 14, 2010
Yeah, my bad. I still don’t like McCoy and it isn’t a good idea to pretend like a mid round guy will be montana.
TheRealSlimShady - March 14, 2010
just like it isn’t a good idea to pretend a 6th round prospect is Tom Brady…people do it all the time.
bross09 - March 15, 2010
You never know.
emily522 - March 14, 2010
Don’t get me started on Montana. I have a personal story about when he dissed me in front of a crowd of people. They all laughed at me. I hate Joe Montana.
Brownie's Year - March 14, 2010
Do tell.
golanbatrac - March 14, 2010
Why did I open my mouth?
Brownie's Year - March 14, 2010
Is this how the story starts?
gahnki - March 14, 2010
He should make his story a fanpost.
SpecialBrownie - March 14, 2010
HAHA Should I?
It’s not too long, but it’s a classic. My friends still talk crap about it to this day.
Brownie's Year - March 14, 2010
at this point, you almost have to.
Dawg Nuts - March 14, 2010
+1
Now we gotta know about it.
Simmsinns - March 14, 2010
It’s a lil’ embarrassing, but I’ll do it for you guys. It’s proof that I did meet that bastard.
It will be up in a day or so.
Brownie's Year - March 14, 2010
Can’t wait.
Roger Dorn - March 14, 2010
gross
Brownie's Year - March 14, 2010
Joe Montana. Awesome QB, total douche.
Bernie19Kosar - March 15, 2010
Yeah, I went to college with a guy who lived by him in the SF bay area and said that the entire neighborhood hated him. That’s saying a lot, because Montana was a hero in San Francisco (for obvious reasons). They said he was the biggest douche in the world.
TheDriveStillHurts - March 15, 2010
My quick Joe Montana story:
Stood me up for an interview (I was helping produce a radio interview).
His “people” said he would do it, when I called, he asked how much he was being paid. When I told him nothing, he hung up in my ear. Considering he was supposed to be on in 15 minutes, he screwed me pretty hard. He did the same crap to the NFL for their SB MVP thing.
I am guessing that BY’s story will be much better.
Never in my life have I ever paid someone for an interview, nor will I ever.
Only two other people hung up on me. Tonya Harding and Ricky Henderson. Tonya Harding has the worst mouth I have ever heard, and trust me that is saying something.
The phone call to Ricky is something I will never forget. He is without a doubt one of a kind.
Bernie19Kosar - March 15, 2010
I love Rickey Henderson. There was a great article about him in the New Yorker a few years back. A look back at the career of a fifty year old playing sub-rookie ball and refusing to give up the game he loves. Literally the best bit of sports-writing I’ve ever read. If you can track it down, it’s a must-read.
golanbatrac - March 15, 2010
It’s online (subscription required):
http://www.newyorker.com/archive/2005/09/12/050912fa_fact_grann?currentPage=all
golanbatrac - March 15, 2010
I would kill to find out what happened with the rest of this story.
Bernie19Kosar - March 15, 2010
Jon Gruden said Tebow would “revolutionize the game” I could see it.
jaws. - March 14, 2010
I don’t think Jon Gruden really thinks this.
Unless he means that he might revolutionize the game by being the first player to have religious and political organizations as his major endorsement deals.
Ryan Kelsey - March 14, 2010
“I’m Tim Tebow, and I support this message…”
emily522 - March 14, 2010
I think he means bring the zone read to the NFL.
jaws. - March 14, 2010
The Cleveland Browns have already run the zone read on multiple occasions.
rufio - March 14, 2010
ok ok I mean “the full on Urban Meyer inspired spread system that incorporates the QB heavily into the running game. Including but not limited to: zone read, Slot triple option, Jet counter trey, Jet sweep option. QB belly, etc etc etc.”
I just wanted to use fewer words.
jaws. - March 14, 2010
Cribbs already runs a lot of that.
rufio - March 15, 2010
no he doesn’t. The Brown’s wildcat has been mostly a simple inside zone play where cribbs just cuts to space.
you haven’t even scratched the surface until you run play action off the zone read, can beat the crash scrape etc etc. The wildcat is just a little tiny sliver of what you can do.
jaws. - March 15, 2010
Prove it.
And anything you can do in Florida’s offense, you can do from the Wildcat. The Wildcat is just a personnel grouping. If you have someone who can make all the necessary runs/throws, you don’t need Tebow. What can he do that Seneca Wallace can’t at this level?
rufio - March 15, 2010
Is perhaps the difference of opinion here in the amount the zone read’s, etc. are run? Yes, the Browns run some of that in in the Wildcat formation, but we only pull that out for what, 10% or less of offensive plays per game?
Western Reserve - March 15, 2010
Its also the permutations of the zone read.
Tebow has run a zone triple off of the set, various permutations of the veer, play action passes, shovel options, screens, the QB power and QB gut play, and some permutations of the bread and butter NFL-type plays like that Percy Harvin motion Jet counter trey.
Wallace could do all of those things probably, but he doesn’t have the several years of experience and knowledge Tebow does. Wallace might be able to do some of that stuff but Tebow does it better.
jaws. - March 15, 2010
He could be the first walking, talking, sports billboard for the religious right.
bross09 - March 15, 2010
Who’s Gil Brandt? An idiot?
emily522 - March 14, 2010
Gil Brandt is a respect long-time scouting mind and NFL analyst. Works for NFL.com now I believe. Let’s just say far more credentialed than Walterfootball.
Roger Dorn - March 14, 2010
Oh, okay. I assumed that when you posted that you were saying it was something stupid to say.
So do you mean you’d want Colt or not?
emily522 - March 14, 2010
I don’t know, personally. If he is right, then yes I would want the next Joe Montana.
Roger Dorn - March 14, 2010
If Holgren continues drafting a QB in the mid-rounds I see McCoy or LeFevour as the 2 most likely picks.
emily522 - March 14, 2010
but what are the chances of this?
yes joe montana is projected in the third, and McCoy MAY go there…the problem is the fact that you are comparing McCoy to probably the best QB drafted in that round in the history of the NFL. 3rd round QBs might end up being good, but more often than not turn out to be just solid backups….
shouls we draft a 6th round QB because he might be the next tom brady??
He is not right at all and this is the point. Even for an elite prospect, you can’t just throw out outlandish statements like that. Joe montana is a once in a generation player. I highly doubt that McCoy is even significantly memorable as a pro.
bross09 - March 15, 2010
This.
Gil Brandt was one of the first people to really organize scouting into computer systems. He was waaaaay ahead of his time and is one of the greatest scouting minds out there.
Much admiration for him.
Bernie19Kosar - March 15, 2010
Not to be cruel, but Gil is 77 and partly senile.
gahnki - March 14, 2010
after this statement he made, I think you might have misspoke when you said partly.
bross09 - March 15, 2010
My girlfriend likes Shipley.
rufio - March 14, 2010
He’s not bad haha.
emily522 - March 14, 2010
She was also pissed when we traded Kellen.
rufio - March 14, 2010
Meh not so much haha.
emily522 - March 14, 2010
Meh, he’s kinda old for a rookie so he has a lower ceiling and has too many injuries IMO.
TheRealSlimShady - March 14, 2010
I think he meant she likes his looks.
emily522 - March 14, 2010
Yes.
rufio - March 15, 2010
Speak for yourself.
Roger Dorn - March 15, 2010
agree, we are not any worse…I loved Quinn and think he still has potential, but we are certainly not any worse. I’m more strongly concerned with the Wimbley trade. 3rd Rounder is good, but I guess the coaches and FO know better than I if it was worth it.
Kimble_79 - March 14, 2010
me too, i thught he made some good improvement against edge run defense. and damn, he did lead the team in sacks and QB hurries. we gotta root for Roth, Hall, Benard, Veikune now, we should see a lot of them.
rockybrown - March 14, 2010
Confirmed 3rd for Wimbley per Schefter.
Roger Dorn - March 14, 2010
Damn. I don’t like this trade.
golanbatrac - March 14, 2010
I’d stake my life that the pick we got from the raiders turns into our new quarterback.
jaws. - March 14, 2010
I wouldn’t bet my life on it but it wouldn’t surprise me.
emily522 - March 14, 2010
Hmmm, not bad. Kind of surprised to let Wimbley go.
emily522 - March 14, 2010
How many draft picks do we have now?
emily522 - March 14, 2010
12 this year, 8 next year, and 8 the year after that.
golanbatrac - March 14, 2010
this year’s draft is huge
APV - March 14, 2010
Wow, 12. Even if only 50% of our picks turn out to be good that’s still 6 solid players we’d add.
emily522 - March 14, 2010
Or the league average of 33% turning into starters, we should expect at least 4 guys providing substantial contribution.
Spidey - March 14, 2010 via mobile
Even that would be good.
emily522 - March 14, 2010
but what is the leage average % of guys in the first 3 rounds turning into starters…
out of the 12 picks we have, 5 are in the first 3 rounds…these rounds produces more starters, in general, than the later rounds.
I would say we should expect at least 6.
I would say (just by looking at previous drafts) that 60-70 % of guys in the first 3 rounds (and this is a conservative estimate) turn into starters. Lets for the sake of argument give us only 3/5. Then you look at the 7 in the other rounds. if you take that 33%, we have another 2 starters or solid contributors. I think we will hit on at least 2.
I would say 5 is a conservative estimate, 7 could happen but is a little optimistic, and that is why I say 6 is the most likely.
bross09 - March 15, 2010
5-7 opening day starters from this draft!? Even I am not that optimistic.
rufio - March 15, 2010
Lets hope for 2. It wouldn’t be hard to replace Furrey and Brandon MacDonald.
I’d like to replace Abe Elam too somehow.
Other than that you might be able to find a wideout who can plug in right away as your slot receiver.
Might find one OL down in the draft who can play RG or RT opening day.
Most you could do is probably 4 opening day starters, but 2 is more likely.
jaws. - March 15, 2010
We aren’t going to find two starting safeties ready for round 1.
Elam will start in round 1 – hopefully with another rookie and not Furrey or Adams.
skipkirk - March 15, 2010
meh we could still make a trade. Theres no way 12 rookies make this team. a trade at the draft is possible.
jaws. - March 15, 2010
Oh yeah, trading for a safety is a possibility. Who knows?
skipkirk - March 15, 2010
By the way, jaws and bross, looking at the time of postings, you guys don’t sleep much eh?
skipkirk - March 15, 2010
yeah…I got carried away last night and was on here for too long…at least I didn’t have anywhere to be today.
bross09 - March 15, 2010
I am talking more of guys who will eventually work their way into the starting lineup by the end of the season.
I was resonding to someone saying
which I took to mean that only 4 guys would contribute eventually. I thought it was more.
I think we will maybe have 3 guys start (or play a key role) on opening day.
bross09 - March 15, 2010
If there is a year after next year.
That sounds ominous, but there really is a chance that there is no 2012 draft.
gahnki - March 14, 2010
There will be a 2012 draft. The owners will impose the lockout after the draft.
Spidey - March 14, 2010 via mobile
Whats up Dawg Pound?
Being a Life long Raider Fan and like you we have had a few to many bad years my question is this:
What do you think of the Wimbley deal?
S-n-B4life - March 14, 2010
He’s a good player. You should have no worries with him.
Brownie's Year - March 14, 2010
Never saw it coming really
The dope on Wimbley was that he was supposedly a great potential talent who could come good under this coaching staff. But aside from a good rookie year and some productivity last season, he doesn’t make plays.
Probably depends on the quality of the O lines in your division whether he’ll be a threat off the edge, also possible he wasn’t drafted to play OLB I guess.
I am mixed but more positive than negative because I’d like to see what Mangini and Heckert can do with a full draft and a lot of picks.
Terrible Terry Tate - March 14, 2010
Correct myself
He doesn’t make *big plays.
And he wasn’t *traded to play OLB. Possibly.
Terrible Terry Tate - March 14, 2010
I really like the deal (in favor of the Browns) if we got a second or third. If the pick turns out to be a lot later like a 5th, I’ll be pretty disappointed.
Simmsinns - March 14, 2010
It’s a third.
golanbatrac - March 14, 2010
I was under the impression that was still speculation.
Is it certain now?
Simmsinns - March 14, 2010
According to Schefter.
Roger Dorn - March 14, 2010
Personally, I think you got a steal. He was a DE in college, was drafted as a pass rushing OLB. His rookie year was the only year he actually got to play as a pass rushing linebacker, and he netted 11 sacks. Thereafter, he played back in coverage and up in run support to help make up for our abysmal DB’s and porous front 3.
You got a good player. If you’re smart enough to turn him loose (and your scheme allows it), you’ll have zero regrets. If you can’t, or won’t, turn him loose, you’ll still have an above average high-character player who has missed all of two games in his career.
golanbatrac - March 14, 2010
I disagree. It’s not like the Browns stopped using him to rush the passer. He simply never developed another move beyond the speed rush. The book was out on him and teams adjusted.
gahnki - March 14, 2010
Did they stop rushing him? No. He still knifed into the backfield four or five times a game. But beyond his rookie year, rushing the passer was his tertiary concern.
golanbatrac - March 14, 2010
again, I disagree. He was just not as effective getting into the backfield. it had nothing to do with other responsibilities. it had to do with him not developing as a player. as gahnki said, the book was out on him. I will say he did attempt to develop moves besides the speed rush but none were that effective. He could only get to the QB effectively by using his speed. He didn’t have good strength and was dominated by good LTs when he tried to use pass rushing moves, or his strength.
Even when he did focus on other things (like stopping the run or coverage) which I do not believe he focused on significantly more, he did not improve significantly. he is still weak in pass coverage and average against the run.
he has always been an upside guy. he never was amazing in college and showed inconsistencies there…
bross09 - March 15, 2010
It’s too bad you didn’t give us your first round pick. Kam is better than anyone Al Davis will be selecting. Instead, you are going to be stuck with another dead weight.
Kam works hard and is pretty intelligent. He has a good head on his shoulders; but he never developed any advanced moves. And I can’t say he was the one guy we could count on to always be in the right place at the right time. Good support player and will adequately fill a position.
Spidey - March 14, 2010 via mobile
On DQ’s Twitter:
“RT @Adam_Schefter: Let’s be clear about this: Quinn wanted to be done with the Browns as much as they wanted to be done with him.”
emily522 - March 14, 2010
Wait, Schefter originally posted that.
emily522 - March 14, 2010
No, Jackson did. Which isn’t too surprising since he’s angry about his contract.
gahnki - March 14, 2010
We traded the wrong linebacker.
golanbatrac - March 14, 2010
Yep.
SpecialBrownie - March 14, 2010
Oh, okay. I don’t know about Twitter that much.
emily522 - March 14, 2010
How immature.
“I’m mad, so I’m going to go post about it on Twitter!”
emily522 - March 14, 2010
don’t be a hater…lol
Jayson732 - March 14, 2010
that was schefter’s original twitter. DQ said “no comment” and all he he is thinking about is coming back healthy……..Why would he give a damn about Quinn? He is more concerned about losing his defensive mate Wimbley.
rockybrown - March 14, 2010
If he retweeted it he obviously cares.
gahnki - March 14, 2010
“Retweeted”. That sounds so stupid to say out loud.
emily522 - March 14, 2010
I think Emily is right that’s what the RT means, DQ is retweeting what Schefter said
Villeslgr - March 14, 2010
I think that’s just a sign of respect for his former position. Probably wouldn’t call him President
Villeslgr - March 14, 2010
no, DQ did not post that originally, the RT is the “retweet”. he just sent the schefters tweet to someone else
rockybrown - March 14, 2010
Oh… that’s what RT means.
emily522 - March 14, 2010
No, it was not Schefters tweet at all. The rt was an accident.
gahnki - March 14, 2010
I saw it on his Twitter, though.
emily522 - March 14, 2010
Oh, my bad then.
gahnki - March 14, 2010
bullshit, look it up on shefter’s twitter…. http://twitter.com/Adam_Schefter
rockybrown - March 14, 2010
He already apologized
SpecialBrownie - March 14, 2010
Missed your comment
Villeslgr - March 14, 2010
The sale has begun!
emily522 - March 14, 2010
I see the Wimbley jerseys are still full price though. Somebody’s not reading their company memos!
RelapsingDawgCatcher - March 14, 2010
I noticed that too.
emily522 - March 14, 2010
I wish they sold these in adult sizes.
golanbatrac - March 14, 2010
Hahahaha.
emily522 - March 14, 2010
With first rounders in 07, 08, 06, 05, and 04, we got:
1 stud (Thomas)
Peyton Hillis
Jason Trusnick
Chansi Stuckey
Massoquoi
some late round picks
a third rounder.
TheRealSlimShady - March 14, 2010
You can turn in your fan card on your way out the door.
gahnki - March 14, 2010
sorry I was just used to saying we.
TheRealSlimShady - March 14, 2010
No hard feelings.
gahnki - March 14, 2010
Couch
Brown
Warren
Green
Faine
Hmmmm, what did we get out of those first round picks?
Spidey - March 14, 2010 via mobile
Kevin Kolb.
You know what we got out of him?
A bust. Have fun being a Bronco.
SpecialBrownie - March 14, 2010
You mean Brady, not Kolb right?
emily522 - March 14, 2010
Kolb was the pick we gave up for BQ
SpecialBrownie - March 14, 2010
Oh I didn’t know that.
emily522 - March 14, 2010
I thought we traded it to Dallas?
emily522 - March 14, 2010
Who then traded it to the Eagles.
SpecialBrownie - March 14, 2010
Ah, I see.
emily522 - March 14, 2010
Full List:
Mohamed Massaquoi
Peyton Hillis
Chansi Stuckey
Jason Trusnik
3rd in 2010
3rd in 2010
5th in 2010
5th in 2010
6th in 2011
conditional pick in 2012
golanbatrac - March 14, 2010
That’s for Winslow, Edwards, Wimbley and Quinn.
golanbatrac - March 14, 2010
Think I’d rather have all that than Winslow, edwards, Wimbley, and Quinn.
jaws. - March 14, 2010
Winslow- No.
Edwards- Noooo. We don’t like people from Michigan, remember?
Wimbley- Maybe.
Quinn- Meh.
emily522 - March 14, 2010
We don’t move Wimbley unless Ryan wants him moved. You don’t trust Ryan now?
elsandito - March 14, 2010
I bet we would if he was the lone voice wanting to keep Wimbley. I also bet he thinks he can turn another LB into a better player than Wimbley.
rufio - March 15, 2010
WInslow NO
BE-No…NOt b/c the michigan thing (I do have some respect for UM, My mom went there…but my dad when to tOSU) but b/c he can’t hold onto the ball
Wimbley-No. I think we got the max value we could for him. I believe what we saw last season was his ceiling. a talented guy who can’t put it together consistently. very streaky, underperforming…he was the same way in college
Quinn-meh too. I wish we could have gotten more but then again, we probably couldn’t
bross09 - March 15, 2010
There were definitely things not to like about Winslow, but he was by far the best of these guys. And I think I would take him for Massaquoi and a fifth rounder this year (what we got for him) — but the move did make sense at the time. Though I wonder how he would’ve done with Mangini.
TheDriveStillHurts - March 15, 2010
meh. He isnt what he was before his various injuries.
jaws. - March 15, 2010
I said it at the time and I am sticking by it, the Winslow trade’s success will be determined by the extent of his knee injuries.
If they are as bad as I think they are, he will begin to decline this year and he will be completely done in another couple of years. If he can play like he did last year for 4-5 more years, we got robbed.
rufio - March 15, 2010
This.
golanbatrac - March 15, 2010
for what we got for him, I still would take the picks (or players). not only was winslow bad for the locker room, I am not a huge fan of him as a player.
he was a horrible blocker practicing the ’Ole! Block. He though he was a matador out there and the defender was the bull.
He also was never the same after the accident and was always nicked up for some reason. He just wasn’t durable or reliable.
bross09 - March 15, 2010
Hillis > Quinn
Just sayin’
Simmsinns - March 14, 2010
looking at how they have produced, I won’t disagree.
bross09 - March 15, 2010
agreed LOL!!!!
Jayson732 - March 14, 2010
good interview with Quinn from Mary Kay Cabot on cleveland plain dealer. emily, a tear might come to your eye :) Quinn is a class act, and a helluva team player.
rockybrown - March 14, 2010
Looking for it now.
emily522 - March 14, 2010
whaddyah think about it?
rockybrown - March 14, 2010
Basically confirms what I thought of him already: classy guy.
emily522 - March 14, 2010
located at http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2010/03/transcript_of_brady_quinns_exc.html
rockybrown - March 14, 2010
Class act right there. Opposite of DA.
emily522 - March 14, 2010
gahnki - March 14, 2010
Unlike DA’s “We don’t deserve a winner”…
emily522 - March 14, 2010
I was actually talking about the word Coach. Just struck me as odd.
gahnki - March 14, 2010
That’s what I took from it.
Scary.
SpecialBrownie - March 14, 2010
Oh. Hmmm yeah. Well maybe he just said it by accident.
emily522 - March 14, 2010
Everyone in the Browns organization calls him that. I thought Pluto had written something about it being odd as well. I find it pretty normal. When you are a coach for that long, you are a coach.
rufio - March 15, 2010
If that’s what he requested it makes perfect sense. On an isolated take, I just found it odd that Quinn would use that term.
gahnki - March 15, 2010
Like Emily said, a complete 180 from DA. I’ve got a lot of respect for that. Good luck out there, BQ.
RelapsingDawgCatcher - March 14, 2010
There’s another quote about him thanking the fans in there too.
emily522 - March 14, 2010
he really focused on that, thanking the fans, calling them the greatest. the guy oozes optimism. maybe someday he will get it together on the field. i’ll root for him.
rockybrown - March 14, 2010
from day 1, holmgren has tood everyone to call him coach. everyone in the office, during interviews, people around the league. from the introductory press conference.
rockybrown - March 14, 2010
Really, because I watched the introductory press conference and did not see that?
gahnki - March 14, 2010
maybe it was the press conference with Holmgren, Heckert, Mangini
rockybrown - March 14, 2010
Makes sense.
gahnki - March 15, 2010
Even though this board leans heavy on Quinn sucks, He is a class act, and most likely will succeed in Denver.
Grockcubs - March 14, 2010
I honestly don’t think Quinn will be that great. Average at best I’d say.
emily522 - March 14, 2010
I agree. I want to like him and root for him b/c I do like him as a person and I felt a cleveland connection. I am sad to see him go because, partially he is such a class act.
bross09 - March 15, 2010
I wish him well, but I don’t wish him well enough to become something of a star in Denver. I prefer he stay an average to backup QB so that I don’t kick myself in the @ss for this move.
Kimble_79 - March 15, 2010
“Coach Holmgren”???
Brownie's Year - March 14, 2010
They all do that. Cribbs did it in his press conference. Holmgren doesn’t like the term ‘czar’, and they haven’t found a suitable replacement as yet.
golanbatrac - March 14, 2010
I can see the point. That’s just the first time I’ve seen it.
Brownie's Year - March 14, 2010
I’ve heard it quite a few times.
North Coast Flea - March 15, 2010
I would post the Brady “Now I’m done” pic, but I’ve already posted it twice haha.
emily522 - March 14, 2010
Wow I can't believe how well you guys are taking this
If this was the Cowboys blog it would explode and cursing Jerry’s name
quincyyyyy - March 14, 2010
Why would the Cowboys care about trading Brady Quinn?
gahnki - March 14, 2010
hey, we are used to this kind of turmoil. losing breeds optimism? plus, these fans on here are really classy, honestly. same on the Indians and the Cavaliers SBN sites.
rockybrown - March 14, 2010
plus we have had 4 complete orginizational overhauls from the top on down over the last decade. i think holmgren will be on a shorter leash.
rockybrown - March 14, 2010
You don’t know us very well. A lot of us don’t care about Quinn.
Brownie's Year - March 14, 2010
that too
rockybrown - March 14, 2010
yeah. we are classy fans…just like BQ is a classy guy. we have respect for him but understand it didn’t work out here. I am sad to see him go but I understand it is a new regime (power wise) and that they want their people in. I am sad but I will still be a BQ fan…just for the fact that he was always a class act, and was such a cleveland guy.
bross09 - March 15, 2010
agree with you bross09…sad to see him go, but this is an easy way to fix the QB controversy we have had hear for the past years.
Kimble_79 - March 15, 2010
I have been a Quinn supporter, so I am disappointed that it did not work out in Cleveland. The Browns haven’t had a good, solid QB since Kosar, so this revolving door is getting old. I have to trust that Holmgren has more work to do with the QB’s.
IMO Quinn never got a shot here, that really is my only beef. Do I understand the move, yes, because Holmgren has forgot about more football than I really will ever know.
I just sure hope he is right. I still would take Quinn over Jake or Senca, that’s me.
Go Browns, always.
Grockcubs - March 14, 2010
Oh look, I’m not alone.
jaws. - March 14, 2010
Yes you are.
SpecialBrownie - March 14, 2010
Still don’t mind the trade though. Depends on who Holmgren brings in in that third round.
jaws. - March 14, 2010
but honestly, I would rather draft (I am starting to think) a QB in next years draft. I just have a feeling that although this is a deep draft, this is a pretty shallow QB draft.
bross09 - March 15, 2010
I’m hoping for God’s Grandson himself. Hes the only one who is holy enough to exorcise the Browns’ curse.
jaws. - March 15, 2010
Tebow?
Bernie19Kosar - March 15, 2010
jaws. - March 15, 2010
I would LOVE for us to wait on Locker to come out next year. I think that kid has so much potential.
Kimble_79 - March 15, 2010
thats betting that we’ll do poorly enough to pick him, which is far from guaranteed.
notthatnoise - March 15, 2010
since the browns are switching over to the WC offence …what about Cribbs being the QB…thats what they ran at Kent Stat i believe…Delhomme could mentor him…its a long shot..but so was trading Wimbley to the Raiders…
Internalfire48 - March 14, 2010
JC basically ran the “Tebow” offense.
Run first, throw if you have to.
SpecialBrownie - March 14, 2010
http://twitter.com/Adam_Schefter/status/10497560827
Interesting.
gahnki - March 14, 2010
I believe it. He’s better than we give him credit for.
golanbatrac - March 14, 2010
lip service.
jaws. - March 14, 2010
Yep. Lip service. I think the coaches are more worried about Holmgren and Heckert than whatever Wimbley might have brought to te table.
Spidey - March 14, 2010 via mobile
agree, they are very acutely aware of Mike and Tom and bring to a team
Kimble_79 - March 15, 2010
He had 6.5 sacks last year. I don’t think the AFC North is too worried about Wimbley. Look the Browns messed up when they drafted him or he didn’t develop after his good rookie year. Be glad he’s gone and that you got something for him. You can easily find an OLB in a 3-4 defense to get 6.5 sacks.
Cols714 - March 14, 2010
Not THAT easy.
TheRealSlimShady - March 14, 2010
Marcus Bernard in limited action was not far from achieving that. Marcus. Bernard.
Roger Dorn - March 14, 2010
Yep, rush linebackers are much cheaper and easier to find than guys who play DE in the 4-3. Thats one big reason why the 3-4 is so popular now: It is easier to fit one NT and two rush linebackers under the cap than it is trying to pay for 4 elite down lineman.
jaws. - March 14, 2010
that being said, I do not feel comfortable at all with benard starting. he is a high effort guy who can make some plays but not enough to make a significant impact.
bross09 - March 15, 2010
I only like him in sub packages at this point, if at all. He is young, though.
rufio - March 15, 2010
I agree. He is good in sub packages and ST, and he is young. however, I do not believe him to be starting material yet.
bross09 - March 15, 2010
Looking back on it, Wimbley was Jason Pierre Paul 2.0 (without the Junior College). JPP I think had like 6.5 sacks in his one season in D1 football. in wimbley’s only good season in college, he had 7.5 sacks. they were both workout warrior guys.
bross09 - March 15, 2010
If these coaches are relieved wimbley left, I can’t imagine what they would be like if Lamarr Woodley, Terrell Suggs, Lawrence Timmons, or James Harrison left the division.
bross09 - March 15, 2010
schefter is really laying it on with wimbley… “Some coaches in AFC North texted they’re very relieved that LB Kamerion Wimbley is out of their division. Wimbley now AFC West’s problem”
rockybrown - March 14, 2010
The hilarious part to me is that the media is hyping up all these supposed superstars on the BRowns once we traded them, yet constantly ripped the team the past few years for having no talent. Which is it guys?
Roger Dorn - March 14, 2010
That’s the first thing that came to my mind as well. Oh well, I’ve gotten used to the media not talking very highly of players on the Browns.
Simmsinns - March 14, 2010
they suck when they are browns b/c they play in cleveland…and no one can be successful with the browns…seriously…people think this.
bross09 - March 15, 2010
Haha yeah
The Browns have no talent. Next article: The Browns are trading their talent away.
skipkirk - March 15, 2010
Ha, we traded both to the West.
TheRealSlimShady - March 14, 2010
Ok update on the Wimbley Trade:
The raiders gave us the pick they got in a trade with New England.
I’m not such a big fan of the move. Mangini must have not liked Wimbley very much.
jaws. - March 14, 2010
number 85 overall not 69 *
jaws. - March 14, 2010
This is a bad trade.
(It’s at best 1/3 Mangini’s doing, though)
golanbatrac - March 14, 2010
somebody must have been convinced the guy cant play, or really liked a guy who is going to go in the late third. fuck if I know.
jaws. - March 14, 2010
If you really like a guy that you think is going in the late 3rd, you wait till late 3rd to make the trade.
rufio - March 15, 2010
Guess they really just think wimbley cant play then.
jaws. - March 15, 2010
I tend to think Ryan thinks he can get anyone to play at that level, so while Wimbley wasn’t bad, it was worth it to trade him.
rufio - March 15, 2010
It is a decent trade now. I thought it was a good trade when we had the 69th pick but now that we have the 85th it is slightly more disappointing…
still, there are some good players that might turn out better that can be had with that exact pick:
Austen lane
Jason Worlids
Eric Norwood (possible he drops…Walterfootball has him as a 3-4th rounder)
all these guys I feel, within a year, would be more effective than wimbley would be.
bross09 - March 15, 2010
Lane couldn’t play in a 34.
TheRealSlimShady - March 15, 2010
He might be able to. I am not saying he will or won’t be able to. I think he has the possibility.
bross09 - March 15, 2010
That’s pretty disappointing…
Simmsinns - March 14, 2010
I just wonder if we are done trading in FA yet….or is there still many more trades and action to come?
Kimble_79 - March 15, 2010
It does seem that we’ve done a lot, but I don’t think we’re done.
Brownie's Year - March 15, 2010
I know one thing….with all these draft picks April will be interesting to say the least
Kimble_79 - March 15, 2010
More draft picks on the way perhaps — we might get a compensatory pick out of Poole and Hadnot.
golanbatrac - March 15, 2010
we’ve signed free agents. Watson, Delhomme, Pashos, Fujita.
Can’t be awarded compensatory selections unless you lose more free agents than you sign.
jaws. - March 15, 2010
I think we’re (or at least, should be) talking about 09’s compensatory picks?
Ie those from Sean Jones.
skipkirk - March 15, 2010
Is that how it works?
golanbatrac - March 15, 2010
I think compensatories come a year after the fact. I read an article by a guy who is an expert at predicting these things, and we were not scheduled to receive any compensatory picks from last year’s free agency.
Roger Dorn - March 15, 2010
I really had no idea how it worked. I’m kind of surprised that Andra Davis wasn’t worth at least a seventh rounder though.
golanbatrac - March 15, 2010
I must admit, your frequent change of pictures on here is inspiring me to shop around for a new one as well golan
Kimble_79 - March 15, 2010
Frequent? I’ve changed avatars once in the 9 months I’ve posted here.
golanbatrac - March 15, 2010
well its changed since I first joined a few weeks back….whatch ya think of my new one?
Kimble_79 - March 15, 2010
Better than the old one, for sure.
golanbatrac - March 15, 2010
April will be exciting!!!
Brownie's Year - March 15, 2010
I expect Vickers to be gone.
gahnki - March 15, 2010
Clausen?
Villeslgr - March 15, 2010
Mentioning Clausen is banned here.
rockybrown - March 15, 2010
Must have missed that memo.
Villeslgr - March 15, 2010
no, but seriously we need impact safety and a corner. delhomme is getting $7 million and he is the starter this year. draft a quarterback at the bottom of the third or top of the 4th/ there will be many to choose from, Pike, Lefevour, Colt Mccoy
rockybrown - March 15, 2010
So this is it then? I’m not trying be snarky, I’m really asking: our starting QB is going to be Jake Delhomme? And everyone is OK with this?
dgcambridge - March 15, 2010
Hell to the no.
Bernie19Kosar - March 15, 2010
I’m fairly certain it’ll be Delhomme. Not that I’m all that happy about it, but based on the other options available (i.e. drafting a QB high, keeping Quinn/Anderson), I’m willing to put up with it.
Simmsinns - March 15, 2010
Delhomme will start unless he looks like a giant bag of dicks in training camp.
I honestly think that Holmgren wants to work with Tim Tebow really bad. I mean for a career QB guru / master tinkerer it is the ultimate project: develop Tim Tebow’s talents.
I would laugh my ass off if we drafted him in the third.
jaws. - March 15, 2010
Why? In the third it will be a risk worth taking.
Bernie19Kosar - March 15, 2010
It would be a happy laughter, because I know that crazy ass fanpost about mike holmgren bringing the spread into the NFL is right.
jaws. - March 15, 2010
just to clarify: I am an unabashed uber tebow fanboy. I am an OSU homer and i hate how they beat us in that title game but I can’t help but take my hat off to Tebow. He is everything that is right about sports.
jaws. - March 15, 2010
Also I honestly like his chances given 1-2 years on the bench learning from Holmgren more than Pike, LeFevour, or any 3rd or later QB in the draft.
jaws. - March 15, 2010
meh…He is a good guy but he is politicizing himself too much recently.
also, I am not a huge fan of him strictly as a player.
bross09 - March 15, 2010
you gotta admit though…the kid oozes charisma and leadership ability. those are some big intangibles that not many have
Kimble_79 - March 15, 2010
He oozes something. It makes me want to get a mop and a powerwasher out.
RelapsingDawgCatcher - March 15, 2010
I had a feeling “oozes” was setting somebody up for a joke..LOL
Kimble_79 - March 15, 2010
Appreciated. There’s nothing better than a good straight line!
RelapsingDawgCatcher - March 15, 2010
He oozes out religious fervor.
North Coast Flea - March 15, 2010
yeah. Didn’t you know? Charisma makes you throw the ball accurately!
bross09 - March 15, 2010
He’s a WINNER!
RelapsingDawgCatcher - March 15, 2010
He’s… The one QB that intrigues me in the whole draft.
jaws. - March 15, 2010
me as well, however I personally would not take the risk of drafting him
Kimble_79 - March 15, 2010
Oh well then, by all means, let’s draft based on intrigue.
rufio - March 15, 2010
I am in a way intrigued by mooncamping’s fullback formation. I think we should go out and get all the FBs in the draft.
bross09 - March 15, 2010
good point. i am now firmly entrenched in the “draft tim tebow at #7” camp.
Dawg Nuts - March 15, 2010
Browns’ starting quarterback Jake Delhomme.
Nope, I still can’t write it without mentally adding, WTF?
I’m glad we have Seneca Wallace on the roster as well, and by no means feel certain we’re done at the position, but still….
RelapsingDawgCatcher - March 15, 2010
my thoughts exactly…as long as he puts his contact lenses in or gets his color blindness corrected I suppose I can make do with him at QB this year
Kimble_79 - March 15, 2010
Yup. If nothing else, Delhomme is better than our other options right now. If his presence on the roster keeps us from blowing our first rounder on a QB, I’m all for it.
golanbatrac - March 15, 2010
Agreed.
Simmsinns - March 15, 2010
Maybe and not long term. Short term the team is not good enough to compete for a Super Bowl with Peyton back there.
rufio - March 15, 2010
Even if we drafted Clausen, Delhomme would start year 1.
Roger Dorn - March 15, 2010
agree
Kimble_79 - March 15, 2010
My concern does not stop at this year. We need a lot of things. Specifically good/better players. My belief is we get the good players where and when we can.
Also I don’t see why we have to choose from those 3 just because we have delhomme. I don’t think he will prevent us from taking a QB earlier. The FO’s evaluation might, but not delhomme.
Villeslgr - March 15, 2010
I’m wondering how tightly Ratliff is clinging to Mangini’s pant leg right now???
Kimble_79 - March 15, 2010
But Eriiiiiiicccccc, you promised!
Villeslgr - March 15, 2010
Some quick notes:
Since the Browns returned in ’99, we have had 11 first round draft picks.
As of today, the Browns have two of these on the roster, one was taken less than a year ago.
Both of them are offensive lineman (Thomas and Mack).
That noise you just heard was the Bulaga/Iupati bandwagon filling up.
Bernie19Kosar - March 15, 2010
I love Iupati as much as the next guy but I think hes going somewhere in the high teens or low 20s. It would cost too much to get up there from the second round. Bulaga might actually go before us to the chiefs, if okung isn’t there. Pioli is a huge positional value guy, thats why he makes a good trade partner for us if we want berry. It might cost us just a 3rd round pick, since he wants a tackle anyway and would gladly pay a little less for his guy.
jaws. - March 15, 2010
My draft plan would be as follows:
Take Suh, Berry, or Bradford if they were available. Think about moving up 1-2 spots to get one of them if the asking price was sane.
If that doesn’t work, trade back and aim for Bulaga, Iupati, Graham, McClain, Thomas, Kareem Jackson. In that order.
rufio - March 15, 2010
I like that plan. Big red circle around Berry. CB with your second pick. If berry is absolutely unavailable, then try and trade back and look at Iupati, Graham, Brian Price, Charles Brown, Jerry Hughes.
I’d pay a late third and a 5th to get up two spaces to take berry though.
jaws. - March 15, 2010
conveniently, the #5 pick is worth 1700 according to the chart, while the #7 pick is worth 1500.
the pick we just acquired from the raiders is worth 165 and our own pick from the 5th round is worth about 39 points.
1500+165+39 = 1704
jaws. - March 15, 2010
I would do that for Berry in a second, although the value chart is bogus, so we shouldn’t have to give up that 5th.
rufio - March 15, 2010
I doubt the chiefs demand much. That is probably the max they can get to swap picks with the browns. It all depends on if scott pioli stays true to form and drafts positional value over BPA. He could get bulaga at #7 and pay him less, and pick up some picks.
jaws. - March 15, 2010
Kyle Wilson > Kareen Jackson
The Licensed Pessimist - March 15, 2010
We’ll see about that.
rufio - March 15, 2010
I believe so, but it is hard to say in march which one will be a better pro. I believe they both will be good.
bross09 - March 15, 2010
One had Nick Saban coaching. If all things are equal, I’ll take that kid.
gahnki - March 15, 2010
its true, to excel in Nick Saban’s defense, you have to be able to pattern read. Nick Saban is a fantastic coach of defensive backs.
jaws. - March 15, 2010
Yep.
Bernie19Kosar - March 15, 2010
Have we figured out which 3rd round pick we got from Oakland yet? They have the 5th (theirs) and the 21st (from NE) and that would make a big difference.
dvbb - March 15, 2010
One from NE I believe.
Bernie19Kosar - March 15, 2010
correct, number 85 overall (not number 69)
jaws. - March 15, 2010
Mort ESPN twitter … “So easy to be invisible in Cleve: Since 2006, Terrell Suggs 27 sacks, Wimbley 26.5”
rockybrown - March 15, 2010
I think this was posted already here…
It fails to mention the fact that terrell suggs was not only more of a factor stopping the run but more consistent in pass coverage and more of a playmaker in pass coverage. Suggs was also a little more consistent than the streaky wimbley.
That being said, I think the price for suggs now would be a late 2nd anyways (possibly a very early third). How far away is this from wimbley’s value?
bross09 - March 15, 2010
another point too is that is contract is up after this, and someone will probably throw big money at hime, so it was best to get something while we can.
rockybrown - March 15, 2010
damn, i stumbled thru that. wimbley’s contract is up after this year. some team would end up throwing big money at him, so we got something instead of nothing.
rockybrown - March 15, 2010
Suggs makes a lot more impact plays. I be the FO stats would separate them further.
rufio - March 15, 2010
I don’t have the FO stats and I do agree that suggs makes more impact plays…that is what I am saying. I don’t know if stuggs is streaky but Wimbley is way too streaky.
he has never put together a stretch of good or great games longer than 4-5 games. this season his first 4-5 games were great, his next 2 were okay, then the rest he just disappeared. He had about 28 total tackles (about 19 solo) in the last 8 games.
bross09 - March 15, 2010
On a positive note: now that Quinn is gone, we can get rid of those terrible brown pants that he liked.
jaws. - March 15, 2010
I find myself using “buuuuuuh” in everyday life. Thanks DBN
Roger Dorn - March 15, 2010
It’s become an integral part of my vocabulary as well.
golanbatrac - March 15, 2010
Buuuuuuuh
F%^k you, go root for Buffalo
Fairly hog certain.
DBN vocabulary.
SpecialBrownie - March 15, 2010
and all classics, i might add.
Dawg Nuts - March 15, 2010
We should have a well kept list of all of these. I know there’s several more.
By the way,
WHERE THE HELL IS ROBISKI?!?!?
Simmsinns - March 15, 2010
Stay classy D.A.
SpecialBrownie - March 15, 2010
we also forgot “he’s a WINNER” (as mentioned by RDC above)
Dawg Nuts - March 15, 2010
We could create a locked FanPost that the moderators add to when a consensus is achieved. It could easily be linked to on the left sidebar.
gahnki - March 15, 2010
Brilliant.
SpecialBrownie - March 15, 2010
Good idea.
emily522 - March 15, 2010
Cool idea. Of course, I like the picture of new folks running into a classic like “fairly hog certain” with no explanation. People don’t get enough surrealism in their lives.
RelapsingDawgCatcher - March 15, 2010
Don’t they get enough of that the first time they read one of Moon’s comments?
North Coast Flea - March 15, 2010
Oh, that can be a whole ’nother level of surrealism there. Or it might be entirely reasonable instead. Just a part of the mooncamping experience!
RelapsingDawgCatcher - March 15, 2010
Don’t get me wrong, I actually look forward to Moon’s posts, it’s like waking up on Christmas morning, you never know what you might find.
North Coast Flea - March 15, 2010
Or like a box of chocolates…
Simmsinns - March 15, 2010
I thought of that quote when I was typing that, which is why I didn’t say “gonna get”, didn’t want to sound like I was ripping him off. Great movie though.
North Coast Flea - March 15, 2010
Agreed, it is a great movie.
Now that I think about it. There are a lot of similarities between Moon and Forest. Perhaps they’re both just misunderstood, but they mean well.
Simmsinns - March 15, 2010
yeah, the broncos fan that replied to him earlier on a fan post didn’t know exactly what to make of him….I was laughing pretty hard.
Kimble_79 - March 15, 2010
Haha.
emily522 - March 15, 2010
A true Browns fan is defined as someone whose heart and head are disconnected. As angry as we get, as disappointed as we get, as sad as we get…we CANNOT change loyalties. Our hearts won’t allow it.
Nuclear Power - March 15, 2010
I should have said fan, period.
Nuclear Power - March 15, 2010
Naw… Browns fan is more apt. As many times as I have tried to swear off the Browns in the past 10 years, I can’t bring myself to do it.
jaws. - March 15, 2010
just out of curiousity…completely unrelated to this post…I understand Chris is the editor, but what makes you a minion or moderator? Are these based on how many posts you make or are these chosen by Chris and what exactly do these roles entail?
Kimble_79 - March 15, 2010
Brad’s the moderator, mostly because he’s the only one anal enough to give his all to the job.
Rufio used to be the only Minion. He got the job because he knows more about the X’s and O’s than all the rest of us combined.
There was an open call for Minions a few months back. Bernie, Ryan and Special Brownie were the only people who wanted the job. Minions write articles for the site (like Bernie’s ongoing series of draft articles and Ryan’s occasional Football Outsider’s post). Special Brownie was canned after it became apparent that he didn’t meet the minimum literacy requirements for Minionhood.
golanbatrac - March 15, 2010
I see…thx
Kimble_79 - March 15, 2010
thats actually kind of funny….I was arguing with Brad when I first joined and called him anal. No disrespect Brad. You are very informative and I don’t dislike you at all.
Just thought that was funny
Kimble_79 - March 15, 2010
In case you weren’t sure, there was a bit of facetiousness in golan’s post.
Roger Dorn - March 15, 2010
Just a bit.
golanbatrac - March 15, 2010
I kinda figured there was…you guys have known each other much longer. Brad is a good guy and he was actually right in our little dispute to be honest. He just caught me at a bad moment.
Kimble_79 - March 15, 2010
Thanks. Glad to have you on board.
Buckeye Brad - March 15, 2010
Sure thing…I just took the other guys comment personal and you caught me at a bad time.
Kimble_79 - March 15, 2010
Except for that bit about rufio and Xs and Os, which is probably complete accurate.
RelapsingDawgCatcher - March 15, 2010
that I can tell just by reading his posts…the man knows what he is talking about and puts a good bit of research into his comments
Kimble_79 - March 15, 2010
I left for personal reasons jackass.
SpecialBrownie - March 15, 2010
He was pushing your buttons.
North Coast Flea - March 15, 2010
Still irked me.
SpecialBrownie - March 15, 2010
Weren’t you just talking about how you like to push people’s buttons, SB? Funny.
RelapsingDawgCatcher - March 15, 2010
Well, this isn’t the same circumstance. I don’t do it to things or situations I’m unclear about. My reasons were personal, not cool.
SpecialBrownie - March 15, 2010
If you can dish it then you’ve got to be able to take it. . .
Buckeye Brad - March 15, 2010
Haha, I’m fine now, I also didn’t see the facetious lie till after my rant.
SpecialBrownie - March 15, 2010
That’s why I pointed it out and used those exact words.
North Coast Flea - March 15, 2010
That’s some mighty thin skin you’re sportin’ there, SB.
golanbatrac - March 15, 2010
Eh, possibly over reacted a little
SpecialBrownie - March 15, 2010
So what are we going to do with our receiver situation? I think of the skills needed for our receivers given a more West-Coast style offense as follows:
I don’t see our current assortment of receivers really fitting this description
APV - March 15, 2010
that is a good question…I would like to know what Mangini thinks on his current WR’s now? Does he feel they will develop this year? Does he feel we still need 2-3 better WR’s? Good question
Kimble_79 - March 15, 2010
I think Robiskie and Massaquoi fit the outside West Coast role pretty well. We could use a slot guy with speed.
gahnki - March 15, 2010
Agree. The receivers we have are ideal (if they develop).
golanbatrac - March 15, 2010
Robiskie is a big guy who supposedly can run routes. He fits in nicely if he can get develop his talent. Massaquoi size-wise is suited for #2 as well. Andre Roberts is a guy we could get in the third who fits really nice in the slot.
jaws. - March 15, 2010
What´s your point in trying to define how Josh McDaniels will use Brady Quinn.
They deserve to be happy about a pretty fine pickup. As far as I´m concerned he´s the starter.
Why knock Kamerion Wimbley as a speed guy, when his predicament will be being strong enough to play true defensive end, and when the lack of speed and agility at outside linebacker must be why we got rid of him?
mooncamping - March 15, 2010
Starting OVER again, again. H&H better make sure they NAIL this draft.
FLBrownsDawg - March 15, 2010
So really my major question left for FA is whether or not Shaun Rogers is still out there for bait? Granted anyone for the right price is up for sale/trade, however what and with whom would we be looking to get out of Rogers?
Kimble_79 - March 15, 2010
Discussion can continue in this thread if you guys wish, which includes reaction from the media on the Quinn/Wimbley deals:
http://www.dawgsbynature.com/2010/3/15/1374116/around-the-pound-2-15-media-reacts
Chris Pokorny - March 15, 2010
Wow, I come home from school and there’s like 400 more comments on here haha.
emily522 - March 15, 2010
Lesson: don’t go to school.
bross09 - March 15, 2010
nice. rec.
Dawg Nuts - March 15, 2010
yes. I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
bross09 - March 15, 2010
Shocker.
SpecialBrownie - March 15, 2010
I was joking but a little serious. I am a good student but just never came to class 2nd semester senior yr. I ended up graduating, but I made it interesting.
bross09 - March 15, 2010
I didn’t have any classes my 2nd semester of senior year because I had enough credits to graduate early.
North Coast Flea - March 15, 2010
I was PSEO
SpecialBrownie - March 15, 2010
My final two years of high school I was in a program that included PSEO.
Three days of the week I went to a “Tech Prep” school which was college atmosphere but ran sort of like a High School. We took Cisco courses, A+, IT, CCNA (networking), Fiber Optics, programming (VB, C++), ethical hacking (personal favorite). Got certified in all of them.
The best part is that the teachers were awesome. The kind that were just fun to hang out with.
The other two days were related courses on campus of the local college.
It was probably two of the funnest years of my life.
I now major in journalism………
Simmsinns - March 15, 2010
I wish I had enough. I still needed a PE credit and English.
bross09 - March 15, 2010
Are you trying to piss me off?
Buckeye Brad - March 15, 2010
it was a joke…
I don’t truly mean this. I believe not going to school is bad. I will admit I made that mistake.
bross09 - March 15, 2010
I knew that . . . I was just trying to make a humerous reply, since many people here know I’m a teacher. I didn’t actually think you were serious.
Buckeye Brad - March 15, 2010
I figured you were probably joking. i knew you were a teacher.
I wasn’t serious but I seriously did that for a while…I learned my lesson.
bross09 - March 15, 2010
seems like my joke radar is hit and miss today.
North Coast Flea - March 15, 2010
Better Lesson: Go to school, get a cushy job and then you can make time to post on here most of the day long!
Kimble_79 - March 15, 2010
Like Dorn.
SpecialBrownie - March 16, 2010
I thought Dorn sold Avon?
Kimble_79 - March 16, 2010
I am also a little irked, as my “shocker” comment would reveal.
SpecialBrownie - March 15, 2010
C’mon guys it was obviously a joke.
North Coast Flea - March 15, 2010
Haha, I’m joking.
SpecialBrownie - March 15, 2010
yeah…already my signature. I think school is great. I made the mistake of thinking this at one point.
bross09 - March 15, 2010
He’s joking too because he’s a teacher.
gahnki - March 15, 2010
Senioritis is tempting.
emily522 - March 15, 2010
and contagious, but it goes away in a couple weeks with the right ointment.
notthatnoise - March 15, 2010
I have a case of this now. I’ve been taking college courses since I was a sophomore in high school (same college for about five years now). I now have over 65+ credit hours accumulated, only 2/3rds of which will transfer to most accredited universities. I’ve pretty much given up trying my hardest at this point. Hopefully I just need a change of scenery.
Next fall I’m transferring to do two more years of journalism classes….
Simmsinns - March 15, 2010
yeah. don’t get too into it…I made that mistake…just check out my new signature.
bross09 - March 15, 2010
Peyton Hillis is no joke
One of the best young FB’s in the NFL
Look at his college game film – a real football player
WarWolf - March 15, 2010
yep. i agree. he can also be a good goal line RB and third down RB b/c he can block and catch.
He also has underrated speed…ran a 4.58 at the combine. I believe he can be part of a good running back rotation, however wherever he has been teams have just used him to block for more talented players and failed to fully utilize his talent (Arkansas, Denver)
bross09 - March 15, 2010
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