I could come up with about 100 other lines that were used, but the one thing you won't really find is a positive reaction. I sort of summarized my thoughts on QB Jake Delhomme a few days ago with this statement:
Between Delhomme and Quinn, I'd stick with Quinn because the possibility exists that he can still improve with a full season's worth of work. As much as I liked Delhomme for several years in Carolina, ever since his playoff meltdown two seasons ago, he has been awful -- perhaps just as bad, if not worse than Anderson.
Now that Delhomme andSeneca Wallace are each on board, I doubt either of them, particularly Delhomme, came to Cleveland to compete for the second or third quarterback spots. The negative reaction with respect to the Delhomme signing stems from the many comparisons that can be made to Derek Anderson. Both quarterbacks just were among the worst in the NFL last year given the amount of opportunities they had; the only other quarterback I might lump in with them is JaMarcus Russell.
Questioning the signing, which was reportedly a two-year deal, is certainly valid.
Why sign a player who struggled just as bad as the guy you just let go?
Why sign a player who had a great running back tandem in Carolina but couldn't minimize the turnovers?
Why sign a player who has battled injuries the past few years at such an important position?
Those are the negatives. Let's take a look at some of the positives right now though, under the assumption that Delhomme has and never will be one of the league's top-tier quarterbacks:
Delhomme had a stretch in his career in which he was playing above average football. During the 2004-2005 season, Delhomme had 29 touchdowns and 15 interceptions. He wasn't a one-hit wonder -- the following season, he threw for 24 touchdowns and 16 interceptions. He played in fewer games the next year, but again, he remained fairly consistent -- 18 touchdowns and 11 interceptions. During the 2007-2008 campaign, he was on fire to start the season. In three games, he threw 8 touchdowns and one interception. That's when he needed Tommy John surgery, and his season was over.
He returned during the 2008-2009 campaign, but he wasn't as sharp, throwing 15 touchdowns and 12 interceptions. The Panthers finished with a 12-4 record, thanks to the dynamic duo of DeAngelo Williams and Jonathan Stewart. In the postseason, Delhomme had a meltdown that no one could've seen coming, especially how he had thrived in the playoffs several years earlier when the Panthers made it to the Super Bowl.
Delhomme's struggles from the postseason continued into last season, where he finished the year with 8 touchdowns and 18 interceptions. That's the season he looked very much like Derek Anderson.
It seemed to me that one of Delhomme's biggest issues was that he turned into a headcase of sorts. Whether he was too tentative to throw the ball or he had simply lost all confidence, Delhomme's career in Carolina was toast, and it was certainly the right move for Carolina to move on without him.
It's hard to tout the Delhomme signing as a positive one due to his recent failures. Believe me, I'm not exactly thrilled by the signing, and I've admitted that I was a huge Delhomme fan several years ago. But, due to the consistent stretch he showed for several years, could we give him the benefit of the doubt that he'd be capable of reproducing an 18-touchdown, 12-interception type of season. Those numbers don't have me jumping out of my seat, but if Delhomme is meant to be a one-year holdover, I'm not going to concede the season just yet.
Holmgren said that he wants to provide options for head coach Eric Mangini to choose his starting quarterback before training camp. Fine. In terms of experience, that's what Delhomme has. In terms of untapped potential and intrigue, that's what Wallace has. It'll be up to Mangini to determine how Delhomme's arm looks when minicamp rolls around. If he performs well, he'll probably be the starter heading into the regular season. If that's the case, we're going to have to suck it up and root for "our guy" and hope for the best. Remember, quarterback isn't supposed to be the strength of our football team this year, so the expectations shouldn't really change regardless of which quarterback we choose.
I'd still like to see Brady Quinn stay in Cleveland and win the starting job, but the odds appear to be stacked against him now. I hope we don't give him up for too much of a bargain, because as a former first-rounder who I still don't believe has received a fair shot at starting, someone else could be getting a steal.
Oh, yes, and Brett Ratliff is still the No. 3 quarterback.
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DUDE. I GO TO WORK FOR 4 1/2 HOURS AND COME BACK TO THIS?
Even if we have another miserable season, at least our secondary will look good this year, and maybe the CB’s can get an interception before the last game. Seriously guys? W.T.F.? Jake is just awful.
This has nothing to do with Delhomme. Did SBNation change their format or is it just the network I am on? If so the new format is aweful, I hope it’s just my network, as it is the same on my laptop and on my pc.
It’s not as bad as your pics show for me, I have most of the browser intact, just missing characters and color distortions. I actually see that broken format a lot when my browser doesn’t fully load. I just refresh, but refreshing isn’t fixing it now.
Sanity check here people! Delhomme had one horrendous year. here are his career stats: http://www.nfl.com/players/jakedelhomme/profile?id=DEL367367
last year was the first year he had more INTs than TDs, and the others really aren’t even that close, except for two seasons when he only had three more TDs than picks. he only has one other season under a 59% completion percentage, and that was 58.4% way back in 2004. He has a career mark of 7.2 YPA, and only has one other season besides last year under that mark.
Last year was pretty terrible, but it wasn’t close to DA bad and it wasn’t even Brady quinn bad. last year jake delhomme would have been the best qb on our team, and that was by far the worst season of his career. I think we all need to step back from the ledge here and use our brains. Its not a bad pickup.
I still strongly believe Quinn may have shot himself in the foot when he held out for 16 or so days in training camp…
…days that instead of Anderson being put in to play after Fry stumbled against the steelers, I think they would have put Quinn in….
…who knows, he may have started, since we had no veteran for him to learn from.
…I loved Quinn, and still want him to start, but gosh, you did that yourself, and still signed pretty much the same contract you were offered in April.
…my last post sounded kinda negative towards quinn, not my intention, I love the guy…and believe he wasn’t given a chance……I really wanted to see what quinn could do….
…what if, during the 49ers game, the coaches keep him in, and he drives us to a few TDs, he would prolly have been the starter the following season…
…my thoughts the last few years have always gone back to this…..we have just wasted sooooooooooooooo much time here in cleveland when we could have been progressing.
Tony Grossi has a whole theory on that regarding Savage held him out on the contract negotiations so that he wouldnt be able to start right away by showing up the other QBs in camp. According to Grossi, Savage wanted him to learn on the sidelines to start the season.
I woke up this morning and my comp was restarted. Didn’t know why. Thanks for refreshing my memory. I remember now that I couldn’t read anything on here with my beer goggles. Guess I passed out during the restart. Haha
Yeah, I have the same thing as you but mine’s still messed up. I downloaded chrome for now and it’s working… Firefox is just having problems because last night sometimes it was working, sometimes it wasn’t.
3.6 is the newest. I shut down FF and restarted it a few minutes ago, and now I’m seeing the same issues reported hear earlier. Methinks someone is tweaking the site code this weekend.
What’s so damn funny? Do I look like a cat to you, boy? Am I jumpin’ around all nimbly bimbly from tree to tree? Am I drinking milk from a saucer? Do you see me eating mice? Not so funny meow, is it?
i used to be one a couple years ago and most of my friends are now, and trust me, if you ate an entire bag of shrooms and an eighth of weed you might act like that.
It is actually pretty ingenuitive (funny this shows up as not being a word but it is in webster’s dictionary) comedic wise. it is very original and unique and has some “smart” humor. when I say smart, I do not mean it is highbrow, it is creative and ingenuitive low brow.
any way you look at it. The guy is getting old and just came off a terrible season compounded by a horrendous playoff game the previous season. I just cannot see what Holmgren is up to. This guy is not a hold the fort type now; he is a guy running to get out before the battle!
All I can think of is that Holmgren is buying time to fix other things and then will draft a QB in a year or two.
Jaws, do you have any insight in to the work ethic and attitude of these other Buckeyes players? I thought you might since you’re such an expert on Troy Smith and Terelle Pryor.
Hmmm…I’m thinking this may be possible. Quinn and our #7 for Whitner and the Bills #9. That way the Bills can replace Whitner with Haden, then the Browns take a Earl Thomas or Taylor Mays…assuming Berry is gone.
I’m thinking Berry is pretty likely to fall to #7. Or the Chiefs will be glad to trade down anyway. Pioli is a huge believer in positional value and loves to trade down. He passed on Aaron Curry for Tyson Jackson last year.
I think Walterfootball is right, the chiefs pass on Berry for a guy like Bulaga, who is projected to go in that Tyson Jackson range (9-14) but fills a glaring need for the chiefs.
I’d consider giving up a third or 4th pick to move up and guarantee berry.
Not a stoner by the way, just thought it funny that after i hit z from a comment above talking about Super Troopers i landed on your conversation about taking hits.
ESPN.com says the base is 900k. (at least when I checked last night) Does this imply that the 7 million is tied up in incentives? If that is the case, I don’t mind as much.
My bet is that the browns frontloaded his contract into the uncapped year. Same thing bears did with peppers. My guess is the numbers are like 2y / $9.5 million. first year he makes $900,000 with a $6mil signing bonus and second year he gets $2.5mil or something like that.
I think but am not sure that we could eat the entire signing bonus on the (lack of) cap this year, instead of pro-rating it like teams normally always do.
If that is the case, we would be smart to eat the whole cap number this year. We would be responsible for 100% of the cap number anyway, and we will have paid him the actual money anyway as well.
If the second year’s base salary is a modest increase from 900k (like a normal contract), that’s a very cap-friendly deal.
Wow. I really don’t understand this. If all Holmgren wanted was someone to keep the seat warm for a year or two until he got his guy, well, we already had Quinn. Maybe the idea is to draft a new QB and then get rid of Quinn so as to avoid QB derby speculation? I picked the wrong day to stop sniffing glue.
Neither Quinn or Wallace are experienced enough to teach a new young QB.
And it’s neither of their jobs. I feel this “teaching” by experience thing is entirely overplayed. If we wanted a vet to teach, why not sign Kurt Warner to a coaching contract?
That might take your mind off the signing for a couple of minutes, but it doesn’t have the potential to change your perspective on the signing the way rum might, albeit temporarily.
Is there any realistic chance that the plan is to make Wallace the 3rd string QB? Because even though Quinn hasn’t set things on fire yet, I’m no more enthused by the idea of Delhomme or Wallace starting.
So, sign Delhomme and Wallace – one of whom will start – and draft someone else, trade Quinn if possible and release Ratliff? I guess Holmgren thinks Delhomme will be a good mentor, but if the talent pool is so shallow this year, is it really worth it?
I see Delhomme starting this year. He might be on his way down, but atleast he’s a veteran who knows football. If he can get us by with as little mistakes as possible while Holmgren and Mangini groom a young QB to be the franchise starter in a year or two, I’m all for it. Seneca Wallace was a solid pickup for a backup, but I wouldn’t feel comfortable with him starting all 16 games, Quinn is obviously on his way out, I see him getting traded for a 3rd rounder or so.
I’m not sure that we could get a 3rd for him, but I really have no idea what his value is at this point. A third would be nice though. that pick would maybe even be packaged with something to help the Browns move back into the 1st or 2nd rounds if Haskell saw someone he wanted.
send quinn and a 5th from this year and a 4th from next year to the bills for a player and their 3rd rounder. Use that extra 3rd rounder to draft your QB.
Depends on the player. Get donte whitner or Marshawn lynch and your golden. Give up a second next year and get their second this year. I like the bills as the trade partner. Whitner fits one of our needs and the bills pick high in each round.
i mean i dont think the Bills want Quinn, they dont need him. The trade has to benefit both sides. I am trying to think of someone who would want him. Denver, Oakland, Seattle seam to make sense.
The bills hate Marshawn lynch. Eric Mangini would, too. Guy is a headache, thats why he is up for sale. The Bills need a QB and could be interested in quinn. he is splashy and could help them sell tickets, for one.
Well another bone head move by the Browns front office. Go figure another large sum of money that could the browns could have spent on something that could help the team like maybe a WR or a CB.Not 7 mil on another BAD QB.
my thoughts ever since holmgren signed on have been that i trust him because he has proven himself to be able to turn teams around in this league. that being the case, i’m not going to change my views just because of this move.
holmgren has forgotten more about QBing in the NFL than any of us will ever know. i trust that he has a plan for delhomme, quinn, wallace, etc. if that includes delhomme as the starter, then i say let’s go jake and let’s go brownies. holmgren has my total support until he gives me a reason not to support him.
I really don’t think Quinn got a fair shot and I want him to stay, but does anyone think its possible that we could package him with our 1st round pick to move up and get a qb? They would get there young qb and keep a 1st rd pick.
win/win for both. Just a thought.
That would mean trading with the Rams who seem to need a QB as much if not more than we do. So they would have to see substantial upside in Quinn in order to convince them to bypass Bradford.
The Rams would have to bypass on Bradford and draft Suh. Then we could trade with Detroit who would be happy to move down to pay less salary for the offensive tackle that they need. I think a 3rd and 4th rounder would move us up 5 spots. But, the Rams would have to be crazy to pass on a QB again. They passed on Matt Ryan and Mark Sanchez the last two drafts, so anything is possible.
well, if we go after bradford, we’ll have $7 million plus bradfords huge contract to pay for one position…may be too high…but, if delhomme’s $ is primarily for the first year, then I could see them doing that.
What are your thoughts on that other QB from NDAme? anyone?
Clausen?!?! I am completely fine with the Delhomme signing, but if they draft Clausen at #7, i will completely flip out. I would rather see Dan LeFevour or Tony Pike at the bottom of round 3 or top of round 4.
yes, if Berry is there, we take him. I hate to go all Al Davis on this pick, but I am really starting to think that if Eric Berry is not available, we should take Taylor Mays over Joe Haden. I mean Mays is a burner with size and he likes to hit.
but theres just one problem: He cant play safety. He can’t cover anyone and has terrible instincts. All that speed doesn’t help you much when you are always out of position.
While i love haden, the thing is that you can get 90% of him in devin McCourty or Kareem jackson, and those guys will be there early in the second.
If you get berry you can add a good corner too, the safety positon doesn’t have the same depth.
Last few years the first corner off the board doesn’t necessarily become the best corner in the class. It has been the second or third guy taken who steps up the most, ie Derrelle Revis.
well… since last season was sorta a down year.. i don’t think the bucks would take him over McCoy or Suh. but yeah if he was a corner his value would be even higher possibly.
I explained my concerns about Berry a couple of days ago. Short version —> Berry is the better player, but he leads with his head far too often. If he’s coachable, then no problem, take Berry.
Easy fix: Make him free safety and put him in the Ed Reed Centerfielder role. He doesn’t have to come up and make a ton of big hits leading with his head, he plays the ball more.
Find a strong safety who is more apt to fill against the run.
yeah, lets pass on possibly the most talented player in this draft and a possible superstar because his playing style makes him slightly more succeptible to concussions…even though he has never had one (and pool had some in college).
I’m not trying to. ok a corner might not be the best player available but if McCourty or Jackson are available they could be the best or near the best player(s) available.
also it might depend on us getting berry because if we pick haden then the next team that wants a CB could take wilson a bit higher and then the next team could take mccourty or Jackson higher.
I believe getting berry will allow our CB to play better. If we happened to land berry, I wouldn’t be against holdign off and taking a gamble on a CB whose stock has dropped like Donovan Warren or Lindey.
We would shore up our secondary enough that pass defense would not be as much of a glaring need, I agree. Still doesn’t necessarily change the BPA to a CB in the 2nd round.
If Kyle Wilson is taken in the 1st, I don’t think there are any other CB’s worth a second round pick. I’d rather grab Warren in the 3rd or Lindley in the 5th than Kareem Jackson or Mccourty in the second. Much rather take Jerry Hughes or Trent Williams with the second
good point, that is a ton of money this year on QBs, but if they feel that Sam Bradford is the franchise QB, and St Louis doesnt draft him, they need to do anything possible to get him, including trading next year’s #1 pick. again, this is only if they think Bradford is a franchise NFL QB.
Tony Grossi has a whole theory on that regarding Savage held him out on the contract negotiations so that he wouldnt be able to start right away by showing up the other QBs in camp. According to Grossi, Savage wanted him to learn on the sidelines to start the season.
right, but according to Grossi, Savage had the plan to offer him a below market contract to keep him out so that he would have to stand on the sidelines and learn. Grossi says that Savage thought that the Ravens QB was ruined by starting him too soon when Savage was there and he didnt want that to happen to Quinn.
not true, i like them both. Grossi has been the beat writer for the Browns for the last 18 years. I have been reading him for years. Pluto is more of an opinion giver covering all cleveland sports.
I do like both guys and have read most all the articles they have written the last several years. Tony Grossi is well respected in the NFL community and even has a Hall of Fame vote.
BTW, there are only 44 people who are on the selection committee and Grossi is one of them. Fans tend to not like him because he seems to me to be a better talker than a writer. He is on the radio a lot and does the Berea Report and Sunday Strategy on STO during the season.
The only thing I like about Grossi is his dedication. No one else spends 18 hours a day in his Camry sitting outside the team facilities in Berea, knee deep in Burger King bags, concocting half-baked theories based on who goes in and out the front door.
but I would still rather listen to reghi talk on the radio…he is like the pluto of Cleveland radio. always informative. gives an opinion that is sensible and not out there…
If Holmgren believe’s that Quinn has the tools and ability to be a good QB,then I think it’s worth it to give him the reigns and not worry about wins and losses right away.To me the idea of competing in pre season is a waste of time.It’s okay for rookies who are competing for a roster spot.I believe a quarterback should be chosen before pre season and developed during the exhibition games.
That’s exactly right. If Quinn was considered a league-average QB we would have found someone to take him. The lack of a trade and substantial playing time is revealing.
Does anyone here have an interest in taking part (finishing) in the Mock over at MtD? We are in middle of a 7 rounder and have just finished the first 2 rounds. We need someone who can be relied on ASAP. You can email me at colts.faith@yahoo . com (no spaces)
You’re an Angels fan. You should know that I’m joking at some extent.
I have respect for everyone on DBN and don’t feel comfortable drafting guys in the name of DBN.
Plus you’ve already done two rounds, I have no interest.
look, everyone is so bewildered by this and is acting like its the worst thing we could have done. can someone tell me why everyone is so sure that delhomme is going to repeat what was BY FAR the worst season of his career? does one season really constitute a trend? Not trying to say they were ever at the same level, but didn’t Brett Favre have a couple pretty terrible seasons before turning it around last year?
please, somebody explain to me why we’re fairly hog certain that jake delhomme is the worst quarterback ever, all based on one season and one playoff game.
Brett Favre is the only QB i can think of who has ever bounced back from a career worst season after his 36th birthday. Farve is a mortal lock for the hall of fame.
Doesn’t mean Delhomme can’t do it, but it sure isn’t going to be easy.
Kurt Warner is not a lock. If you have read Peter King at all this year, he has been debating Warner in the hall already. I’ll give you that he is far better than Jake, but the point was to point out that there are guys who rebound late in their careers. I am confident I could find other examples if I felt like it.
Warner is a two time MVP of the league, and one of only six players to win the MVP of the league and the Superbowl MVP in the same season.
Went to three superbowls with 2 different teams, won one of them. He has posted the 3 highest passing yardage totals in the history of the super bowl. Warner is also second all time in career completion percentage.
His arrival turned around two of the most consistently inept organizations in the NFL and took them to the super bowl. He has been brilliant in the biggest games in his entire career.
This guy is a mortal lock to make it to the hall of fame.
He may get in, but I really doubt he’s in on the first ballot. Heck, Chris Carter still isn’t in after two ballots and he’s higher on the all-time WR list than Warner is on the all-time QB list.
I don’t think he’s the worst ever. I think he’s old, has a season’s worth of throwing picks like DA, and looks like our presumed starter given that we just paid him 7 million dollars. I can’t figure out where this duplication of the Seneca Wallace signing at greater expense fits in to the big picture either.
I’d kind of hoped for youth building toward the future, or journeyman stability stationkeeping, not the acquisition of an older QB who’s dependent on seriously rehabilitating his career in order to not suck as bad as DA.
please, somebody explain to me why we’re fairly hog certain that jake delhomme is the worst quarterback ever, all based on one season and one playoff game.
Worst QB ever is a stretch.
As for the rest of it, here is the shakedown.
Delhomme was never a very good QB, he was an average-to-good QB with a nice supporting cast. He was a game manager. His stats look very similar to David Garrard’s numbers. So lets not forget that this is the kind of QB we are talking about to start with. This isn’t Favre or Warner.
Delhomme is/was a game manager that has lost his most important trait, protecting the ball. 25 INT’s in his last 12 games. Even at DA’s worst he wasn’t this bad. Why do you expect him to have some great turn around throwing to MoMass, Robo, Stuckey, Watson and Moore? Hell, at least BQ protected the damn football.
You can’t blame Delhomme’s crap performance on the rest of the team. Matt Moore came in off the bench and put up nice numbers in relief (61%, 8-2 ratio and 7.6 YPA). Delhomme not only had a bad season, but he has been bad since his Tommy John surgery on his right arm.
Old? Check.
Injured? Check.
Bounce back season at the age of 36 surrounded by lesser players? Only if we are smoking dope.
The Panthers, one of the most financially reserved teams out there, paid him 12 million dollars to go away. They have seen Jake D up close and personal for the past two seasons. They knew he was no longer a starting QB. They were worried about him being a back-up QB. So they paid him to go away.
Delhomme was never a very good QB, he was an average-to-good QB with a nice supporting cast
as opposed to what we have now: putrid, with a little less of a supporting cast. i don’t understand why this one move is making everyone seem to want to fire up the “holmgren must go” train.
Their contracts will span more than this year alone, whereas Delhomme’s is really only focused on this season. Truthfully, I think Ryan Clark had no interest in coming here, because reports were that the Browns had been in contact in attempts to sign him before he re-signed with Pittsburgh.
I don’t know about Otogwe, but if your assuming delhomme’s contract isn’t important past this year, why does he keep us from spending money on other guys?
Nope, I agree with you. I think we have pursued some of the other high quality free agents as well, but they may not have been interested or we didn’t want to overpay over multiple seasons.
Just because the NFL doesn’t have a cap doesn’t mean that this team doesn’t have a budget. There is an end to the money.
No other team interested in Delhomme, New Orleans being the other, was interested in him as a starter. We were bidding against ourselves (as far as we know).
Call me crazy, but 7 million dollars for a QB that no one else wanted is stupid money. Theoretically that money could have gone towards a WR (Chris Chambers), a Safety (Atogwe), or even another ILB (Bullack?).
To just say, “there is no cap” is a dangerous way to approach this offseason. No cap doesn’t mean no budget. We aren’t the Yankees.
even if it is, I don’t think its dangerous to approach this offseason with the idea that we can spend more money, as long as it only applies to spending it this year. I wouldn’t give out a huge multi-year deal, but i have no problem with a front-loaded 2 year deal.
We may be on a budget, but i’m willing to bet our budget for this year is pretty huge, as long as it only impacts this season.
I am willing to bet Lerner would go into bigtime millionaire debt if it meant we became a good franchise. I don’t think actual dollars are a big deal to him.
Dude has like 2.2 billion dollars. The cleveland browns as a buisness are a money printing press. He really doesn’t have to care what he spends on players. $10 million is like nothing to him.
the one question I have is: was he still injured last year (or hurting) from the surgery and is he healthy now? if both are yes, then He might improve. I do not think it is a good move either but he might improve from lastyear.
I just am not/was not sure it makes sense in the big picture.
I guess I would bet on Delhomme being better than BQ last year, and we were able to trade Quinn for picks and a player.
So essentially, we got got a short-term upgrade at QB and some late-round draft picks in exchange for a ridiculously slim chance we had a franchise QB.
I would say that is likely that he doesn’t have a good season. It is not like he is peyton manning having a bad season. he is an above average QB who is aging and might have hit the wall.
At the same time, his shoulder might not have been completely healed from tommy john (which can take a long time).
I don’t think it is at all fairly hog certain that he will be bad, or good.
yeah. I did know that now that you mention it. I wasn’t thinking right I guess when I posted that (even though I still believe there is a chance he was still hurt…i say CHANCE)
The Charlotte Observer reported today that the Panthers have no interest in Quinn. A team desperate for a QB has no interest in Quinn. What does that tell you?
tells me that they believe they have their man in Matt Moore. That was evidenced by their cutting of Jake Delhomme. I’m not surprised that they don’t want to add anyone who might cause a QB controversy. They are handing the reigns to Moore and seeing what he’s got.
For 7 million , they could have signed DSharper , a future HOF’er , and brought immediate credibility to the defense . Collecting mediocre QB’s won’t win any more games than last year . Holmgren’s stance that he’s giving Mangini more options is a cop out . He’s setting up Mangini to fail , which he is more than capable of on his own .
I guess my point is we need game changing players , more so than a conglomeration of solid performers . Didn’t know Sharper had surgery , would prefer still ; a questionable Sharper , as opposed to a washed up Delhomme .
only problem with sharper is that he fits better in a team that needs to win now. We are building for the future and he only has a few years left. I love the guy but I don’t see him leaving New Orleans.
Some teams go from worst to first , and have high expectations . It seems Cleveland has an " it’s OK to rebuild on a 5 year plan attitude" I’m tired of waiting for next year , but further I apologize for bashing you several days ago . I have a salt free diet on Sunday
“I could come up with about 100 other lines that were used, but the one thing you won’t really find is a positive reaction.”
To be sure, several people are quite positive, and the negative reactions are really OVERreactions. I say they are overrections because it’s not like we are taking a huge chance or replacing a superstar with a washed up veteran. Really, all of the reactions pertaining to the QBs ever since 1999 have been overreactions because all of our QBs have amounted to a hill of beans.
What’s the saying? “Don’t sweat the small stuff”…? This is pretty small in the scheme of things.
You folks want to get angry and upset? Just go over to the Draft Reviews. Read a few of those and this will compare to one of the many 5th round picks (at worst) we have experienced and NOT rank as a Chaun Thompson-type (2nd round reach/gamble that weakens the team for years) decision.
Another point about “credibility” – it sure looks like Quinn has absolutely no credibility in the lockerroom. This offense needs a leader who is hungry to perform well. What other QBs currently available fills those requirements?
When the head coach gets teary eyes when releasing a player- that says something about his credibility.
I always thought DA was pretty dignified under the circumstances, but that Quinn’s popstar charisma would put him on top in the locker room. Maybe I guessed wrong.
I wonder why they had such a problem with Quinn. He seems like a nice guy, not the tool that most automatically label him as because he’s from ND and good looking. Plus, he’s better than DA by a slight margin.
Nice guys don"t win football games , neither does “good looks” or popstar charisma[ ? ] Isn’t winning the reason they play , where’s Herman Edwards when I need him .
That’s all this signing keeps screaming to me. And the Brown’s QB Carousel just got even more ridiculous. If we end up cutting Ben you guys can have him for 3 straight years of 1st round pics. Not!
Considering we were able to make Ward cry without having a QB last year, I think you should concentrate on making sure your team is healthy and free of court cases.
on a sidenote, Delhomme was weeping like a gushing water main break on 9th street a couple weeks ago…all we need a mentally weak QB (kinda kidding…kinda not)
I just read on PFT that Shaun Hill just got traded from the 49ers to the Lions for a 7th round pick! Hill, in his 3 year career of 19 games played/10 starts has a 87.3 QB rating with 23 TD/ 11 Int. Is Quinn worth anything?
With BQ you get a young guy who was very mediocre in the league but has good tools, started all 4 years in college, and played well in college.
With Shaun Hill, you get a 30 yr old UDFA who played one full season in college, and is a career backup with only 16 career starts in 8 seasons (and before ’07 in SF, no career pass attempts).
basically, you know what you are going to get with Shaun Hill…a seneca wallace type, but less mobile. a guy who is a good backup in the league but is not overly talented.
With BQ you get a guy who is probably a backup but has good upside.
cool you could check out the guidlines here of how we run it. Also by friday we would need your BPA list. we may be ready for your pick before but we will see.
I hope Jake resurrects his career in Cleveland , however it seems that DA at 25 or 26 had a bigger potential upside than the 35 year old Delhomme , who was equally erratic despite the presence of Steve Smith , Williams , and Stewart . Deangelo Williams was available in the 2006 draft when we chose Wimbley , hopefully Holmgren drafts better .
I think it really comes down to this:
would I prefer someone else as my QB? yeah, for sure
do i think it would be the end of the world if jake delhomme started? no, not at all
Jake Delhomme is obviously nothing more than a placeholder, and i think he can do that at least as well as quinn would. I think all the doom and gloom here is a big overreaction.
the only thing certain is that Delhomme’s only purpose is to keep the job warm for whomever holmgren drafts in the 3rd round. We will come away with this draft with a quarterback.
but i would personally rather have a rookie learn behind delhomme, and without a cap this season i don’t really know why the money matters. We get to act like a big market baseball team this season because our owner wants to spend whatever it takes.
I just don’t get why we invested in Quinn, set him up to fail – then don’t allow him a chance to prove himself with 1 more season. Nowhere near enough starts to judge his potential. Don’t like this move at all.
He had one shining moment…the Lions game this year….since then nothing close. I wish him the best in Denver, he was a QB that didnt get into trouble away from the game, was a Browns fan as a kid….just didn’t have it.
DUDE. I GO TO WORK FOR 4 1/2 HOURS AND COME BACK TO THIS?
W.T.F.
SpecialBrownie - March 13, 2010
It’s all your fault.
emily522 - March 13, 2010
(Kidding).
emily522 - March 13, 2010
Well as a Steelers fan
Even if we have another miserable season, at least our secondary will look good this year, and maybe the CB’s can get an interception before the last game. Seriously guys? W.T.F.? Jake is just awful.
maletvette - March 13, 2010
This has nothing to do with Delhomme. Did SBNation change their format or is it just the network I am on? If so the new format is aweful, I hope it’s just my network, as it is the same on my laptop and on my pc.
North Coast Flea - March 13, 2010
Does it look like this?
http://picasaweb.google.com/golanbatrac/Dbn#5448303023642430930
http://picasaweb.google.com/golanbatrac/Dbn#5448303025052322066
emily522 - March 13, 2010
yes
North Coast Flea - March 13, 2010
It’s not just DBN. All the other blogs I’m part of are the same format. Maybe SB nation’s just having technical problems?
emily522 - March 13, 2010
Yeah asked because it wasn’t just dbn, lgt and fts are the same
North Coast Flea - March 13, 2010
switch over to Google chrome.
It is handleing the format right when my firefox wasn’t
jaws. - March 13, 2010
thanks for the tip
North Coast Flea - March 13, 2010
Ok, it went back to normal but when I go back to the home page it looks like the screen shots.
emily522 - March 13, 2010
I think it was a glitch
I saw that too and was messed up for like 30minutes, now its back to normal
maletvette - March 13, 2010
Still broken.
golanbatrac - March 13, 2010
yeah IDK
maybe the site can’t handle the fact that Delhomme still has a job and is imploding on itself
maletvette - March 13, 2010
Maybe Big Ben thought DBN was a college girl with standards.
golanbatrac - March 13, 2010
Now that's just foolish
We all know that college girls are too old for BB
maletvette - March 13, 2010
oh burn
North Coast Flea - March 13, 2010
This was funny.
Bernie19Kosar - March 13, 2010
and coming from a steelers fan too.
bross09 - March 15, 2010
It’s not as bad as your pics show for me, I have most of the browser intact, just missing characters and color distortions. I actually see that broken format a lot when my browser doesn’t fully load. I just refresh, but refreshing isn’t fixing it now.
SpecialBrownie - March 13, 2010
I upgraded to 3.6 today though, so it’s probably doing better for me, then you.
SpecialBrownie - March 13, 2010
Mine’s what golan’s looks like.
emily522 - March 13, 2010
I think he’ll be starting.
emily522 - March 13, 2010
I’ll just repost this here so everyone sees it:
Sanity check here people! Delhomme had one horrendous year. here are his career stats:
http://www.nfl.com/players/jakedelhomme/profile?id=DEL367367
last year was the first year he had more INTs than TDs, and the others really aren’t even that close, except for two seasons when he only had three more TDs than picks. he only has one other season under a 59% completion percentage, and that was 58.4% way back in 2004. He has a career mark of 7.2 YPA, and only has one other season besides last year under that mark.
Last year was pretty terrible, but it wasn’t close to DA bad and it wasn’t even Brady quinn bad. last year jake delhomme would have been the best qb on our team, and that was by far the worst season of his career. I think we all need to step back from the ledge here and use our brains. Its not a bad pickup.
notthatnoise - March 13, 2010
Still think Quinn shot himself in foot
I still strongly believe Quinn may have shot himself in the foot when he held out for 16 or so days in training camp…
…days that instead of Anderson being put in to play after Fry stumbled against the steelers, I think they would have put Quinn in….
…who knows, he may have started, since we had no veteran for him to learn from.
…I loved Quinn, and still want him to start, but gosh, you did that yourself, and still signed pretty much the same contract you were offered in April.
allsides - March 14, 2010
That said...
…my last post sounded kinda negative towards quinn, not my intention, I love the guy…and believe he wasn’t given a chance……I really wanted to see what quinn could do….
…what if, during the 49ers game, the coaches keep him in, and he drives us to a few TDs, he would prolly have been the starter the following season…
…my thoughts the last few years have always gone back to this…..we have just wasted sooooooooooooooo much time here in cleveland when we could have been progressing.
allsides - March 14, 2010
Tony Grossi has a whole theory on that regarding Savage held him out on the contract negotiations so that he wouldnt be able to start right away by showing up the other QBs in camp. According to Grossi, Savage wanted him to learn on the sidelines to start the season.
rockybrown - March 14, 2010
Grossi has a lot of time on his hands.
golanbatrac - March 14, 2010
There was a Styx song about Grossi.
Roger Dorn - March 14, 2010
It’s ticking away at his sanity.
North Coast Flea - March 14, 2010
I think his sanity was gone when he starting spouting conspiracy theories and saying pontbriand was better than eric wright or abram elam.
bross09 - March 15, 2010
yes, but if Quinn signs on time, and plays well, (or how bad DA, Fry were) he can throw his ‘plan’ out the window.
allsides - March 14, 2010
that explains it all. I was not surprised to find out that this “theory” sounded like pure idiocy.
bross09 - March 15, 2010
Is the formatting messed up for anyone else?
gahnki - March 13, 2010
it was but its fine for me now
notthatnoise - March 13, 2010
It keeps switching from weird to right.
emily522 - March 13, 2010
I still have some broken characters. I blame B19K
SpecialBrownie - March 13, 2010
Now I just have the broken characters, but it’ll probably go back to being totally weird in a few minutes.
emily522 - March 13, 2010
I heard he is a dick.
Bernie19Kosar - March 13, 2010
I was joking. Kind of…
SpecialBrownie - March 13, 2010
yeah, that asshole!
notthatnoise - March 13, 2010
Ok, I restarted my computer and it’s fine. When I posted this, I couldn’t even see the responses until now.
gahnki - March 13, 2010
I’m all better as well.
SpecialBrownie - March 13, 2010
I woke up this morning and my comp was restarted. Didn’t know why. Thanks for refreshing my memory. I remember now that I couldn’t read anything on here with my beer goggles. Guess I passed out during the restart. Haha
Brownie's Year - March 14, 2010
I got on here for the first time this morning, and it’s still messed up for me.
emily522 - March 14, 2010
Same here.
golanbatrac - March 14, 2010
Other than the white coloration of the new comments popup, I’m fine this morning. Firefox 3.6, Windows XP.
RelapsingDawgCatcher - March 14, 2010
Yeah, I have the same thing as you but mine’s still messed up. I downloaded chrome for now and it’s working… Firefox is just having problems because last night sometimes it was working, sometimes it wasn’t.
emily522 - March 14, 2010
Yup. Just checked Firefox and it’s working. This is getting annoying. I guess I’ll stick with Chrome when using DBN for awhile,
emily522 - March 14, 2010
Do you have the latest version of Firefox? It came out a week ago or so.
gahnki - March 14, 2010
I went to check for updates and it says that there aren’t any. I have 3.6… is that the new one?
emily522 - March 14, 2010
yes
gahnki - March 14, 2010
3.6 is the newest. I shut down FF and restarted it a few minutes ago, and now I’m seeing the same issues reported hear earlier. Methinks someone is tweaking the site code this weekend.
RelapsingDawgCatcher - March 14, 2010
I switched over to Chrome and it works. Still broken on Firefox.
Roger Dorn - March 14, 2010
I’m fine meow. I’m running 3.6
SpecialBrownie - March 14, 2010
meow?
golanbatrac - March 14, 2010
What’s so damn funny? Do I look like a cat to you, boy? Am I jumpin’ around all nimbly bimbly from tree to tree? Am I drinking milk from a saucer? Do you see me eating mice? Not so funny meow, is it?
SpecialBrownie - March 14, 2010
wtf is meow?
Brownie's Year - March 14, 2010
Wow.
SpecialBrownie - March 14, 2010
Super Troopers isn’t a quotable movie, Ramrod.
Brownie's Year - March 14, 2010
FLAG.
Bernie19Kosar - March 14, 2010
It’s not that funny.
Brownie's Year - March 14, 2010
The hell it isn’t. Especially when they pull over the stoners.
North Coast Flea - March 14, 2010
Stoners don’t act like that. I used to be one when I was younger.
Brownie's Year - March 14, 2010
i used to be one a couple years ago and most of my friends are now, and trust me, if you ate an entire bag of shrooms and an eighth of weed you might act like that.
notthatnoise - March 14, 2010
If you ate a big bag of shrooms, you’d die. They’re not drugs, it’s poison.
Brownie's Year - March 15, 2010
yeah, lets analyze the reality of every movie ever made…what movies are actually 100% accurate? just about none!
bross09 - March 15, 2010
So is alcohol.
North Coast Flea - March 15, 2010
yup
Brownie's Year - March 15, 2010
I used to be one too. in fact, I hung out with a lot of stoners that were like that…
bross09 - March 15, 2010
Here’s a big secret, and don’t tell anyone, I am one.
North Coast Flea - March 15, 2010
lets get blazed!
kidding, i got two tests this week
notthatnoise - March 15, 2010
I laughed.
rufio - March 14, 2010
Remember when we almost devoted an entire fanpost to Super Trooper quotables?
SpecialBrownie - March 14, 2010
You lie. haha
Brownie's Year - March 14, 2010
We infact did.
SpecialBrownie - March 14, 2010
I’ve seen the movie 4 times. Nothing stuck with me.
Brownie's Year - March 14, 2010
You should be banned.
/sarc.
Bernie19Kosar - March 15, 2010
I guess that is your loss.
It is actually pretty ingenuitive (funny this shows up as not being a word but it is in webster’s dictionary) comedic wise. it is very original and unique and has some “smart” humor. when I say smart, I do not mean it is highbrow, it is creative and ingenuitive low brow.
bross09 - March 15, 2010
Yeah, there’s nothing highbrow about the bear suit.
North Coast Flea - March 15, 2010
I agree. I am not saying at all the movie is highbrow.
It is lowbrow but it is better than a Will ferrell Lowbrow Retread movie. it is very original lowbrow.
bross09 - March 15, 2010
I am with you through this whole comment.
North Coast Flea - March 15, 2010
bross09 - March 15, 2010
Understand Meow?
Villeslgr - March 14, 2010
It’s working for me on Firefox, but I downloaded Chrome so the next time it works on Firefox I can just switch.
emily522 - March 14, 2010
doesn’t work on Firefox*
emily522 - March 14, 2010
emily522 - March 13, 2010
that’s funny the ABJ thinks that’s news…
tribe71 - March 13, 2010
It’d be news if he weren’t. (Sorry mooncamping.)
RelapsingDawgCatcher - March 13, 2010
Right about now Tony Grossi is kicking himself for not breaking the Ratliffe story…
golanbatrac - March 13, 2010
Ha. I just posted that because Chris says Ratliff will be our #3.
emily522 - March 13, 2010
Sorry, it says he still is not that he will be. I misread.
emily522 - March 13, 2010
Bad news
any way you look at it. The guy is getting old and just came off a terrible season compounded by a horrendous playoff game the previous season. I just cannot see what Holmgren is up to. This guy is not a hold the fort type now; he is a guy running to get out before the battle!
All I can think of is that Holmgren is buying time to fix other things and then will draft a QB in a year or two.
burmafrd1944 - March 13, 2010
Which would suit me just fine.
golanbatrac - March 13, 2010
yeah maybe he is giving himself options to find a guy this year or next year he feels he can coach up. Guess we’ll see.
jaws. - March 13, 2010
Jake Delhomme is going to be the starter.
Schefter reports Delhomme is getting 7 million dollars this season.
Really?
Bernie19Kosar - March 13, 2010
I’m not surprised. I voted that he’d start.
emily522 - March 13, 2010
So did I, but 7 million dollars is crazy.
I would be shocked if any other team offered him more than 2MIL a season.
Bernie19Kosar - March 13, 2010
Insane money. Let’s hope the contract is front loaded into the uncapped year.
golanbatrac - March 13, 2010
How does Delhomme get all this money regardless of wherever he goes?
He could’ve retired on his guaranteed money from the Panthers.
SpecialBrownie - March 13, 2010
I’d bet the farm that it is. Even so thats just crazy money, Holmgren must have really wanted this guy.
jaws. - March 13, 2010
I’ll throw 18 interceptions for half that.
golanbatrac - March 13, 2010
I’ll do it for a third.
RelapsingDawgCatcher - March 13, 2010
Fourth.
SpecialBrownie - March 13, 2010
Hell I’d do that for 50 bucks.
North Coast Flea - March 13, 2010
Just start talking about who you want for Brady Quinn.
My #1 answer is Donte Whitner
jaws. - March 13, 2010
Troy Smith is insulted.
gahnki - March 13, 2010
I guess the date didn’t go well?
Brownie's Year - March 14, 2010
Perfect.
Bernie19Kosar - March 14, 2010
Any other former Buckeyes you want?
rufio - March 14, 2010
Anthony Gonzalez, Will Smith, Shawn Springs.
But none of them are available for trade.
I just want players who could help this team. We need a strong safety and he is a good one. I wanted Kerry Rhodes and OJ Atogwe too.
jaws. - March 14, 2010
We do need safety help and I’d be fine with this trade.
gahnki - March 14, 2010
Chris Gamble would be nice.
Bernie19Kosar - March 14, 2010
Jaws, do you have any insight in to the work ethic and attitude of these other Buckeyes players? I thought you might since you’re such an expert on Troy Smith and Terelle Pryor.
Buckeye Brad - March 14, 2010
Terrelle Pryor will be better than Troy Smith, in my opinion.
North Coast Flea - March 14, 2010
Hmmm…I’m thinking this may be possible. Quinn and our #7 for Whitner and the Bills #9. That way the Bills can replace Whitner with Haden, then the Browns take a Earl Thomas or Taylor Mays…assuming Berry is gone.
OSUMoneyball - March 14, 2010
I’m thinking Berry is pretty likely to fall to #7. Or the Chiefs will be glad to trade down anyway. Pioli is a huge believer in positional value and loves to trade down. He passed on Aaron Curry for Tyson Jackson last year.
I think Walterfootball is right, the chiefs pass on Berry for a guy like Bulaga, who is projected to go in that Tyson Jackson range (9-14) but fills a glaring need for the chiefs.
I’d consider giving up a third or 4th pick to move up and guarantee berry.
jaws. - March 14, 2010
He’ll I’ll do it for 5…just as long as I don’t get hit too often.
bross09 - March 15, 2010
Eh, I can take a hit.
North Coast Flea - March 15, 2010
I can take a hit, but for 5 bucks, I don’t want to take too many.
bross09 - March 15, 2010
that’s why I said 50 haha.
North Coast Flea - March 15, 2010
yeah. I would take a hit for 50
bross09 - March 15, 2010
Break it up, boys. Joke’s over. [/foghorn]
golanbatrac - March 15, 2010
Sorry I guess I’m tone-deaf to the fat lady’s singing.
North Coast Flea - March 15, 2010
50 bucks for a hit? You guys are either getting screwed or
Villeslgr - March 15, 2010
Now who’s the stoner?
North Coast Flea - March 16, 2010
lol…thinking the same thing…
bross09 - March 16, 2010
The snozzberries taste like snozzberries.
Not a stoner by the way, just thought it funny that after i hit z from a comment above talking about Super Troopers i landed on your conversation about taking hits.
Villeslgr - March 16, 2010
Sorry, 1st funny comment that popped int my head.
North Coast Flea - March 16, 2010
So he’s pulling in $17 million dollars this year?
gahnki - March 13, 2010
7 million?! I am a big a fan of spending Lerner’s money as anyone out there, but jeez.
rufio - March 14, 2010
WR needed
I would rather this $ go to someone we can rely on to catch the ball.
allsides - March 14, 2010
ESPN.com says the base is 900k. (at least when I checked last night) Does this imply that the 7 million is tied up in incentives? If that is the case, I don’t mind as much.
Roger Dorn - March 14, 2010
I think its a signing bonus.
jaws. - March 14, 2010
All of it? I haven’t seen anything that suggests incentive-based so I am wishful thinking right now.
Roger Dorn - March 14, 2010
My bet is that the browns frontloaded his contract into the uncapped year. Same thing bears did with peppers. My guess is the numbers are like 2y / $9.5 million. first year he makes $900,000 with a $6mil signing bonus and second year he gets $2.5mil or something like that.
jaws. - March 14, 2010
Yes, it’s not a big deal to overpay for this year only. It’s when the money prevents you from cutting him after this year that it becomes an issue.
Roger Dorn - March 14, 2010
That’d be an insane amount in incentives.
gahnki - March 14, 2010
I think but am not sure that we could eat the entire signing bonus on the (lack of) cap this year, instead of pro-rating it like teams normally always do.
If that is the case, we would be smart to eat the whole cap number this year. We would be responsible for 100% of the cap number anyway, and we will have paid him the actual money anyway as well.
If the second year’s base salary is a modest increase from 900k (like a normal contract), that’s a very cap-friendly deal.
rufio - March 14, 2010
I am thinking that is what happened. Delhomme’s contract will be a non-factor cap wise.
Roger Dorn - March 14, 2010
7 million…ugh. I guess we know who our starter is. I hope the Browns staff does their work scouting out 6th round talent for when we trade Quinn.
APV - March 14, 2010
Wow. I really don’t understand this. If all Holmgren wanted was someone to keep the seat warm for a year or two until he got his guy, well, we already had Quinn. Maybe the idea is to draft a new QB and then get rid of Quinn so as to avoid QB derby speculation? I picked the wrong day to stop sniffing glue.
JustBob - March 13, 2010
Neither Quinn or Wallace are experienced enough to teach a new young QB.
skipkirk - March 13, 2010
And it’s neither of their jobs. I feel this “teaching” by experience thing is entirely overplayed. If we wanted a vet to teach, why not sign Kurt Warner to a coaching contract?
gahnki - March 13, 2010
I hear Trent Dilfer considers himself well-versed in just what Cleveland needs.
JustBob - March 13, 2010
because coaches can’t play while the other guy is still learning.
notthatnoise - March 14, 2010
7 MILLION!!!!!!
I think Holmgren got took.
burmafrd1944 - March 13, 2010
At least DA is gone!
tribe71 - March 13, 2010
Anything to make this look like a good signing, eh?
RelapsingDawgCatcher - March 13, 2010
DA taught me how to really boo a player. Unfortunately I’m all practiced up for Jake.
tribe71 - March 13, 2010
That kind of summarizes how I’m feeling as well!
RelapsingDawgCatcher - March 13, 2010
Rum?
JustBob - March 13, 2010
A dirty night with the Mrs.?
SpecialBrownie - March 13, 2010
That might take your mind off the signing for a couple of minutes, but it doesn’t have the potential to change your perspective on the signing the way rum might, albeit temporarily.
JustBob - March 13, 2010
Couple of minutes?
I won’t drag this out farther than it has to be but I am slightly offended. Haha.
SpecialBrownie - March 13, 2010
Definitely a couple of minutes. No sense in rushing things.
And now back to football.
JustBob - March 13, 2010
Touche.
SpecialBrownie - March 13, 2010
rec
North Coast Flea - March 13, 2010
Amen to that
yes, you put it all in perspective, that there alone give me confidence in holmgren…last two couldn’t figure that out.
allsides - March 14, 2010
Is there any realistic chance that the plan is to make Wallace the 3rd string QB? Because even though Quinn hasn’t set things on fire yet, I’m no more enthused by the idea of Delhomme or Wallace starting.
JustBob - March 13, 2010
quinn is out. They don’t want him to get in the way of whatever guy they draft this year.
jaws. - March 13, 2010
So, sign Delhomme and Wallace – one of whom will start – and draft someone else, trade Quinn if possible and release Ratliff? I guess Holmgren thinks Delhomme will be a good mentor, but if the talent pool is so shallow this year, is it really worth it?
JustBob - March 13, 2010
a look inside the contract negotiations between Jake Dellhome and the Browns, the Saints, and even an unknown UFL team.
jaws. - March 13, 2010
I see Delhomme starting this year. He might be on his way down, but atleast he’s a veteran who knows football. If he can get us by with as little mistakes as possible while Holmgren and Mangini groom a young QB to be the franchise starter in a year or two, I’m all for it. Seneca Wallace was a solid pickup for a backup, but I wouldn’t feel comfortable with him starting all 16 games, Quinn is obviously on his way out, I see him getting traded for a 3rd rounder or so.
Mike_Stevens - March 13, 2010
I’m not sure that we could get a 3rd for him, but I really have no idea what his value is at this point. A third would be nice though. that pick would maybe even be packaged with something to help the Browns move back into the 1st or 2nd rounds if Haskell saw someone he wanted.
JustBob - March 13, 2010
send quinn and a 5th from this year and a 4th from next year to the bills for a player and their 3rd rounder. Use that extra 3rd rounder to draft your QB.
jaws. - March 14, 2010
That’s the kind of value Savage would have gotten in a trade. No thank you.
golanbatrac - March 14, 2010
Depends on the player. Get donte whitner or Marshawn lynch and your golden. Give up a second next year and get their second this year. I like the bills as the trade partner. Whitner fits one of our needs and the bills pick high in each round.
jaws. - March 14, 2010
why would Buffalo give up Lynch for Quinn? They already have Quinns equals, Edwards and Fitzpatrick
rockybrown - March 14, 2010
i mean i dont think the Bills want Quinn, they dont need him. The trade has to benefit both sides. I am trying to think of someone who would want him. Denver, Oakland, Seattle seam to make sense.
rockybrown - March 14, 2010
The bills hate Marshawn lynch. Eric Mangini would, too. Guy is a headache, thats why he is up for sale. The Bills need a QB and could be interested in quinn. he is splashy and could help them sell tickets, for one.
jaws. - March 14, 2010
“Mis-Jake by the Lake”
theW0LF - March 13, 2010
I just cannot, for the life of me, see the sense in this move.
I thought the Seneca trade was way out there but now this?
Why!
LondonBrown - March 14, 2010
Well another bone head move by the Browns front office. Go figure another large sum of money that could the browns could have spent on something that could help the team like maybe a WR or a CB.Not 7 mil on another BAD QB.
Brownsfan4ever - March 14, 2010
There’s no cap this year.
golanbatrac - March 14, 2010
So that makes it ok to just toss money to a bad QB?
Brownsfan4ever - March 16, 2010
Essentially.
SpecialBrownie - March 16, 2010
Is it your money? (no)
Does it harm the Cleveland Browns as an organization/football team in any way? (no)
So quit hatin’
rufio - March 18, 2010
“They see Randy spendin’, they hatin’…”
SpecialBrownie - March 18, 2010
Bad deal, just bad. Next.
Grockcubs - March 14, 2010
buuuuuuuh!
mooncamping - March 14, 2010
I think that’s exactly the same sound I made when I read the headline here….
RelapsingDawgCatcher - March 14, 2010
Best. Post. Ever.
golanbatrac - March 14, 2010
By moon, at least.
Brownie's Year - March 14, 2010
probably the loudest I have ever laughed reading this site
Roger Dorn - March 14, 2010
Yeah, that was great.
Buckeye Brad - March 14, 2010
my thoughts ever since holmgren signed on have been that i trust him because he has proven himself to be able to turn teams around in this league. that being the case, i’m not going to change my views just because of this move.
holmgren has forgotten more about QBing in the NFL than any of us will ever know. i trust that he has a plan for delhomme, quinn, wallace, etc. if that includes delhomme as the starter, then i say let’s go jake and let’s go brownies. holmgren has my total support until he gives me a reason not to support him.
Dawg Nuts - March 14, 2010
Good man, DN. As baffling as I find this, one must assume at this point that it’s all part of the plan. For now, at least.
RelapsingDawgCatcher - March 14, 2010
Mike Holmgren explains the Delhomme signing
jaws. - March 14, 2010
Seems more Dwight Clark comparable when you are using someone who goes by the Joker.
North Coast Flea - March 14, 2010
Hi all, new guy here.
I really don’t think Quinn got a fair shot and I want him to stay, but does anyone think its possible that we could package him with our 1st round pick to move up and get a qb? They would get there young qb and keep a 1st rd pick.
win/win for both. Just a thought.
badrat - March 14, 2010
The only QB we would have to trade up for would be Bradford. Everyone else will be there when we’re up.
Brownie's Year - March 14, 2010
You are correct, Bradford is who I had in mind
badrat - March 14, 2010
That would mean trading with the Rams who seem to need a QB as much if not more than we do. So they would have to see substantial upside in Quinn in order to convince them to bypass Bradford.
JustBob - March 14, 2010
The Rams would have to bypass on Bradford and draft Suh. Then we could trade with Detroit who would be happy to move down to pay less salary for the offensive tackle that they need. I think a 3rd and 4th rounder would move us up 5 spots. But, the Rams would have to be crazy to pass on a QB again. They passed on Matt Ryan and Mark Sanchez the last two drafts, so anything is possible.
rockybrown - March 14, 2010
too much $ in QB, though
well, if we go after bradford, we’ll have $7 million plus bradfords huge contract to pay for one position…may be too high…but, if delhomme’s $ is primarily for the first year, then I could see them doing that.
What are your thoughts on that other QB from NDAme? anyone?
allsides - March 14, 2010
Clausen?!?! I am completely fine with the Delhomme signing, but if they draft Clausen at #7, i will completely flip out. I would rather see Dan LeFevour or Tony Pike at the bottom of round 3 or top of round 4.
rockybrown - March 14, 2010
Amen. Too many needs to draft a QB in the first.
jaws. - March 14, 2010
we have to go corner/safety with the 1st two picks we have. Having those guys who can lock up and cover gives the defense so many blitzing options.
rockybrown - March 14, 2010
yeap. Berry / McCourty or Berry / Kareem Jackson
Best possible route to get better in a hurry.
jaws. - March 14, 2010
yes, if Berry is there, we take him. I hate to go all Al Davis on this pick, but I am really starting to think that if Eric Berry is not available, we should take Taylor Mays over Joe Haden. I mean Mays is a burner with size and he likes to hit.
rockybrown - March 14, 2010
but theres just one problem: He cant play safety. He can’t cover anyone and has terrible instincts. All that speed doesn’t help you much when you are always out of position.
jaws. - March 14, 2010
i agree, but this is how these NFL GMs get in trouble, maybe they are thinking that they Mays can be coached up
rockybrown - March 14, 2010
Mays will find his way to the raiders or seahawks. Anyone else would look dumb to even touch him, in my mind.
jaws. - March 14, 2010
Haden plays fast, loves to hit, and isn’t stupid like Mays. I’d consider Haden over Berry, combine be damned.
golanbatrac - March 14, 2010
yeah, i know it makes sense, but damn i hope he runs better at the pro day. 4.5 is slow for the top corner in the draft. eric wright ran a 4.37
rockybrown - March 14, 2010
Wright ran a 4.35 somewhere.
rufio - March 14, 2010
If his twitter feed is any indication, it was probably to a shoe sale.
golanbatrac - March 14, 2010
Bravo.
Bernie19Kosar - March 15, 2010
While i love haden, the thing is that you can get 90% of him in devin McCourty or Kareem jackson, and those guys will be there early in the second.
If you get berry you can add a good corner too, the safety positon doesn’t have the same depth.
Last few years the first corner off the board doesn’t necessarily become the best corner in the class. It has been the second or third guy taken who steps up the most, ie Derrelle Revis.
jaws. - March 14, 2010
Disagree on McCourty.
rufio - March 14, 2010
Really? I can’t find one thing Haden does better than Berry.
If Berry played CB, he would be a lock to go in the top 3, IMO.
Bernie19Kosar - March 14, 2010
well… since last season was sorta a down year.. i don’t think the bucks would take him over McCoy or Suh. but yeah if he was a corner his value would be even higher possibly.
jaws. - March 14, 2010
I explained my concerns about Berry a couple of days ago. Short version —> Berry is the better player, but he leads with his head far too often. If he’s coachable, then no problem, take Berry.
golanbatrac - March 14, 2010
Gotcha.
Bernie19Kosar - March 14, 2010
Yeah the last thing we need is another concussion machine at Safety, but that sounds like something Rob Ryan can fix.
North Coast Flea - March 14, 2010
Pool had concussions in college.
rufio - March 14, 2010
and I don’t think he had concussions in college. I searched it and all I found is when he GAVE tebow a concussion.
bross09 - March 15, 2010
Berry?
He never missed time with an injury in college. Not that he won’t ever in the pros, but that’s what you’d want.
rufio - March 18, 2010
yeah. No injuries in college is all you can ask for…
bross09 - March 18, 2010
Easy fix: Make him free safety and put him in the Ed Reed Centerfielder role. He doesn’t have to come up and make a ton of big hits leading with his head, he plays the ball more.
Find a strong safety who is more apt to fill against the run.
jaws. - March 15, 2010
Mangini likes two interchangeable safeties.
Doesn’t matter, though. Berry will be all over the field either way.
rufio - March 18, 2010
yeah, lets pass on possibly the most talented player in this draft and a possible superstar because his playing style makes him slightly more succeptible to concussions…even though he has never had one (and pool had some in college).
bross09 - March 15, 2010
No way. Berry every time. Berry’s film is better than Haden’s, in addition to the combine/as validated by the combine.
rufio - March 14, 2010
I think he might have meant over mays…
bross09 - March 15, 2010
nvm.
bross09 - March 15, 2010
I am guessing you mean haden over mays…I would take many players over mays too.
bross09 - March 15, 2010
so what if he likes to hit. we need coverage and tackling abilities.
Dawg Nuts - March 14, 2010
No, we need to draft the two best players period.
Bernie19Kosar - March 14, 2010
convieniently, if we get berry a corner will almost certainly be the best player available at #38.
jaws. - March 14, 2010
walterfootball has us taking Berry then Kareem Jackson in the 2nd. Both would be sweet.
emily522 - March 14, 2010
if we had the draft Walterfootball mocked to us, I couldn’t possibly be more happy.
jaws. - March 14, 2010
I know, me too.
emily522 - March 14, 2010
Uhhh….how does that depend on us getting Berry?
And how do you think you can predict the entire first round (+ 6 picks of the second) of the draft when millions of people can not every year?
rufio - March 14, 2010
I’m not trying to. ok a corner might not be the best player available but if McCourty or Jackson are available they could be the best or near the best player(s) available.
also it might depend on us getting berry because if we pick haden then the next team that wants a CB could take wilson a bit higher and then the next team could take mccourty or Jackson higher.
jaws. - March 15, 2010
So wouldn’t that make it less likely that a CB is the BPA in the 2nd round? If in your situation the same corners are taken earlier…
rufio - March 18, 2010
I believe getting berry will allow our CB to play better. If we happened to land berry, I wouldn’t be against holdign off and taking a gamble on a CB whose stock has dropped like Donovan Warren or Lindey.
The Licensed Pessimist - March 15, 2010
We would shore up our secondary enough that pass defense would not be as much of a glaring need, I agree. Still doesn’t necessarily change the BPA to a CB in the 2nd round.
rufio - March 18, 2010
If Kyle Wilson is taken in the 1st, I don’t think there are any other CB’s worth a second round pick. I’d rather grab Warren in the 3rd or Lindley in the 5th than Kareem Jackson or Mccourty in the second. Much rather take Jerry Hughes or Trent Williams with the second
The Licensed Pessimist - March 18, 2010
Yes.
rufio - March 14, 2010
QB is the biggest need in the world. If a QB is the BPA in the first, take him every time.
rufio - March 14, 2010
not at number 7
he would obviously be after a trade down, yes. sorry, thought that was obvious
allsides - March 14, 2010
i dont think that is obvious, lots of people are mocking Clausen to the Redskins at #4 pick
rockybrown - March 14, 2010
good point, that is a ton of money this year on QBs, but if they feel that Sam Bradford is the franchise QB, and St Louis doesnt draft him, they need to do anything possible to get him, including trading next year’s #1 pick. again, this is only if they think Bradford is a franchise NFL QB.
rockybrown - March 14, 2010
Tony Grossi has a whole theory on that regarding Savage held him out on the contract negotiations so that he wouldnt be able to start right away by showing up the other QBs in camp. According to Grossi, Savage wanted him to learn on the sidelines to start the season.
rockybrown - March 14, 2010
yes, but if he signs on time, and BQ performs well, savage can’t ignore that.
allsides - March 14, 2010
right, but according to Grossi, Savage had the plan to offer him a below market contract to keep him out so that he would have to stand on the sidelines and learn. Grossi says that Savage thought that the Ravens QB was ruined by starting him too soon when Savage was there and he didnt want that to happen to Quinn.
rockybrown - March 14, 2010
that may be the dumbest thing i’ve ever heard
notthatnoise - March 14, 2010
Tony Grossi has been saying this for the last two years. He is the Cleveland Browns beat reporter for the Browns.
rockybrown - March 14, 2010
Grossi doesn’t know what he’s talking about, as I’ve learned from people on here. Pluto’s the reliable one.
emily522 - March 14, 2010
not true, i like them both. Grossi has been the beat writer for the Browns for the last 18 years. I have been reading him for years. Pluto is more of an opinion giver covering all cleveland sports.
rockybrown - March 14, 2010
Grossi is an idiot. Period.
Buckeye Brad - March 14, 2010
grossi has decent sources b/c he is a beat reporter that has focused on the browns for years…
that being said, you have to read everything he writes with a major grain of salt.
bross09 - March 15, 2010
I do like both guys and have read most all the articles they have written the last several years. Tony Grossi is well respected in the NFL community and even has a Hall of Fame vote.
rockybrown - March 14, 2010
yeah…he has a HOF vote so that is just proof that he must always know what he is talking about.
bross09 - March 15, 2010
BTW, there are only 44 people who are on the selection committee and Grossi is one of them. Fans tend to not like him because he seems to me to be a better talker than a writer. He is on the radio a lot and does the Berea Report and Sunday Strategy on STO during the season.
rockybrown - March 14, 2010
Oh, okay then. I read some of his articles last season and he seemed like quite a flip flopper in his opinions, but that’s just what I got from it.
emily522 - March 14, 2010
Yeah, Grossi just kind of makes it up as he goes.
The only thing I like about Grossi is his dedication. No one else spends 18 hours a day in his Camry sitting outside the team facilities in Berea, knee deep in Burger King bags, concocting half-baked theories based on who goes in and out the front door.
golanbatrac - March 14, 2010
Grossi might be the most responsible person for Modell not coming close to the HoF. He deserves my eternal respect for that.
Roger Dorn - March 14, 2010
Ah, yeah… That too.
golanbatrac - March 14, 2010
Alright, I’ll credit him for something.
rufio - March 14, 2010
What’d he do?
emily522 - March 15, 2010
but I would still rather listen to reghi talk on the radio…he is like the pluto of Cleveland radio. always informative. gives an opinion that is sensible and not out there…
bross09 - March 15, 2010
rufio - March 14, 2010
yep…
bross09 - March 15, 2010
grossi has some decent sources, but sometimes he is more out there than mooncamping…case in point the theory you are mentioning.
bross09 - March 15, 2010
I can buy this.
gahnki - March 14, 2010
the theory is good (that savage had) but I can’t buy grossi’s theory. I wouldn’t buy it even if it was pluto saying it so it is not a bias thing.
bross09 - March 15, 2010
That actually makes sense to me. Very rarely does a rookie QB gain from starting.
LondonBrown - March 14, 2010
Welcome
Bernie19Kosar - March 14, 2010
Brady Quinn
If Holmgren believe’s that Quinn has the tools and ability to be a good QB,then I think it’s worth it to give him the reigns and not worry about wins and losses right away.To me the idea of competing in pre season is a waste of time.It’s okay for rookies who are competing for a roster spot.I believe a quarterback should be chosen before pre season and developed during the exhibition games.
Howard Rebeck - March 14, 2010
i dont think Holmgren or anyone else in the NFL is that excited about Quinn or we would have traded him already for a 3rd round pick
rockybrown - March 14, 2010
That’s exactly right. If Quinn was considered a league-average QB we would have found someone to take him. The lack of a trade and substantial playing time is revealing.
Spidey - March 14, 2010 via mobile
So, you’re a fortune teller?
rufio - March 14, 2010
Ah crap, the 3rd was for Wimbley. Ru-fail-o
rufio - March 14, 2010
Quick question..
Does anyone here have an interest in taking part (finishing) in the Mock over at MtD? We are in middle of a 7 rounder and have just finished the first 2 rounds. We need someone who can be relied on ASAP. You can email me at colts.faith@yahoo . com (no spaces)
TheAngelsColts - March 14, 2010
Since you’re an Angels fan, I’d have to say NO!!!!!!!
Brownie's Year - March 14, 2010
so baseball teams determain what you do and don't in football?
TheAngelsColts - March 14, 2010
In this sense it does. I’m an A’s fan. Hope you understand.
Brownie's Year - March 14, 2010
ok sorry you hate the angels so much you don't want to draft for you own Browns football team :)
TheAngelsColts - March 14, 2010
I don’t do favors for Angel fans.
Brownie's Year - March 14, 2010
I look at it like doing a favor for your browns fans or for a Colts fan since we are football here.
TheAngelsColts - March 14, 2010
You’re an Angels fan. You should know that I’m joking at some extent.
I have respect for everyone on DBN and don’t feel comfortable drafting guys in the name of DBN.
Plus you’ve already done two rounds, I have no interest.
Brownie's Year - March 14, 2010
crap…that thing was this weekend????
Sorry man. My internet was down…I was also moving…and the only time I had time to go onto SBN it wasn’t working…
this is my first log in since friday (ish)
bross09 - March 15, 2010
look, everyone is so bewildered by this and is acting like its the worst thing we could have done. can someone tell me why everyone is so sure that delhomme is going to repeat what was BY FAR the worst season of his career? does one season really constitute a trend? Not trying to say they were ever at the same level, but didn’t Brett Favre have a couple pretty terrible seasons before turning it around last year?
please, somebody explain to me why we’re fairly hog certain that jake delhomme is the worst quarterback ever, all based on one season and one playoff game.
notthatnoise - March 14, 2010
Brett Favre is the only QB i can think of who has ever bounced back from a career worst season after his 36th birthday. Farve is a mortal lock for the hall of fame.
Doesn’t mean Delhomme can’t do it, but it sure isn’t going to be easy.
jaws. - March 14, 2010
Kurt Warner immediately comes to mind.
Roger Dorn - March 14, 2010
another mortal lock for the hall of fame.
jaws. - March 14, 2010
Kurt Warner is not a lock. If you have read Peter King at all this year, he has been debating Warner in the hall already. I’ll give you that he is far better than Jake, but the point was to point out that there are guys who rebound late in their careers. I am confident I could find other examples if I felt like it.
Roger Dorn - March 14, 2010
He has a great story. I hope he gets in.
emily522 - March 14, 2010
Warner is a two time MVP of the league, and one of only six players to win the MVP of the league and the Superbowl MVP in the same season.
Went to three superbowls with 2 different teams, won one of them. He has posted the 3 highest passing yardage totals in the history of the super bowl. Warner is also second all time in career completion percentage.
His arrival turned around two of the most consistently inept organizations in the NFL and took them to the super bowl. He has been brilliant in the biggest games in his entire career.
This guy is a mortal lock to make it to the hall of fame.
jaws. - March 14, 2010
He is not a lock. He may make it, but it’s not even close to being a lock.
Warner had some great seasons but he wasn’t good for very long. Terrelle Davis looked like a HOF lock at one time as well and he’s still not in.
Buckeye Brad - March 14, 2010
Kurt Warner: Lock.
Ryan Kelsey - March 14, 2010
I really don’t think so. He’ll probably make it but he’s far from a lock.
Buckeye Brad - March 14, 2010
I agree with this. I think he should make it and i think he will, but its not a lock.
notthatnoise - March 14, 2010
If “lock” means he will eventually get in then yes…it may take some years.
Red-Right-88 - March 15, 2010
I agree…I think he might make it and I hope he does, but I will never say warner is a lock…until he is actually in.
bross09 - March 15, 2010
Sorry man, Warner is in on the first ballot.
Brownie's Year - March 14, 2010
He might be, but it will not be a no contest.
Roger Dorn - March 14, 2010
I’m not saying that I agree or not, but Warner will be inducted in five years.
Brownie's Year - March 14, 2010
He may get in, but I really doubt he’s in on the first ballot. Heck, Chris Carter still isn’t in after two ballots and he’s higher on the all-time WR list than Warner is on the all-time QB list.
Buckeye Brad - March 14, 2010
I’m surprised carter isn’t in, wasn’t he the second receiver to get 1000 receptions?
notthatnoise - March 14, 2010
Carter needs to get in net year, period.
rufio - March 14, 2010
yeah like i said, I was really surprised to hear he wasn’t in already
notthatnoise - March 14, 2010
No ring, might have dropped him a little bit.
jaws. - March 15, 2010
Then how would you explain Andre Reed getting further than Carter in the voting process?
Bernie19Kosar - March 15, 2010
no idea. Carter should be in there no doubt.
jaws. - March 16, 2010
depends on who else is on the ballot at the time…
bross09 - March 15, 2010
Kerry Collins.
golanbatrac - March 14, 2010
Who is also not a Hall of Fame lock. Similar to Delhomme in a sense actually…game managers, both made a Super Bowl.
Roger Dorn - March 14, 2010
Collins was never as bad as Delhomme was last season.
Bernie19Kosar - March 14, 2010
but also never came close to Delhomme’s best seasons.
Roger Dorn - March 14, 2010
I concede that Collins and Delhomme are a pretty good comparison. Only difference is that Collins hasn’t totally imploded in the past two seasons.
Bernie19Kosar - March 14, 2010
I don’t think he’s the worst ever. I think he’s old, has a season’s worth of throwing picks like DA, and looks like our presumed starter given that we just paid him 7 million dollars. I can’t figure out where this duplication of the Seneca Wallace signing at greater expense fits in to the big picture either.
I’d kind of hoped for youth building toward the future, or journeyman stability stationkeeping, not the acquisition of an older QB who’s dependent on seriously rehabilitating his career in order to not suck as bad as DA.
RelapsingDawgCatcher - March 14, 2010
That’s my view. Seneca Wallace can do the mentoring bit and also fill the capable backup slot.
Delhomme is a duplication but an old one that doesn’t fit on a building team. I’d sooner keep Ratliffe around…
LondonBrown - March 14, 2010
Worst QB ever is a stretch.
As for the rest of it, here is the shakedown.
Delhomme was never a very good QB, he was an average-to-good QB with a nice supporting cast. He was a game manager. His stats look very similar to David Garrard’s numbers. So lets not forget that this is the kind of QB we are talking about to start with. This isn’t Favre or Warner.
Delhomme is/was a game manager that has lost his most important trait, protecting the ball. 25 INT’s in his last 12 games. Even at DA’s worst he wasn’t this bad. Why do you expect him to have some great turn around throwing to MoMass, Robo, Stuckey, Watson and Moore? Hell, at least BQ protected the damn football.
You can’t blame Delhomme’s crap performance on the rest of the team. Matt Moore came in off the bench and put up nice numbers in relief (61%, 8-2 ratio and 7.6 YPA). Delhomme not only had a bad season, but he has been bad since his Tommy John surgery on his right arm.
Old? Check.
Injured? Check.
Bounce back season at the age of 36 surrounded by lesser players? Only if we are smoking dope.
The Panthers, one of the most financially reserved teams out there, paid him 12 million dollars to go away. They have seen Jake D up close and personal for the past two seasons. They knew he was no longer a starting QB. They were worried about him being a back-up QB. So they paid him to go away.
Yet we gave him starters money. Is their anyone who thinks this was a good move?
Bernie19Kosar - March 14, 2010
as opposed to what we have now: putrid, with a little less of a supporting cast. i don’t understand why this one move is making everyone seem to want to fire up the “holmgren must go” train.
Dawg Nuts - March 14, 2010
Anyone doing this should report immediately to cleveland dot com.
rufio - March 14, 2010
You mean the 9th floor?
North Coast Flea - March 15, 2010
Truthfully, the money doesn’t really bother me since we loaded it all into the uncapped year.
Roger Dorn - March 14, 2010
as for the rest, I agree.
Roger Dorn - March 14, 2010
The only reason the money bothers me is that is money we could have used on upgrading another position. Ryan Clark or Atogwe?
Bernie19Kosar - March 14, 2010
its an uncapped year, why can’t we spend money on them too?
notthatnoise - March 14, 2010
Their contracts will span more than this year alone, whereas Delhomme’s is really only focused on this season. Truthfully, I think Ryan Clark had no interest in coming here, because reports were that the Browns had been in contact in attempts to sign him before he re-signed with Pittsburgh.
Roger Dorn - March 14, 2010
and if I am not mistaken Otogwe would require draft pick compensation? Or is he UFA?
Roger Dorn - March 14, 2010
I don’t know about Otogwe, but if your assuming delhomme’s contract isn’t important past this year, why does he keep us from spending money on other guys?
notthatnoise - March 14, 2010
He doesn’t.
Roger Dorn - March 14, 2010
oh I assumed your response was meant to explain why delhomme’s contract was money we could have spent elsewhere, which was B19K’s original point.
notthatnoise - March 14, 2010
Nope, I agree with you. I think we have pursued some of the other high quality free agents as well, but they may not have been interested or we didn’t want to overpay over multiple seasons.
Roger Dorn - March 14, 2010
Are we sure about the contract now?
rufio - March 14, 2010
I am not.
Roger Dorn - March 14, 2010
Atogwe has the right of first refusal.
Pretty much, if we agreed to a deal with him, then the Rams would have a week to match. If they didn’t match, they would get nothing.
Think of it is a UFA who gives his team a chance to match.
Bernie19Kosar - March 14, 2010
like a RFA in basketball (I think that is how it works in basketball).
bross09 - March 15, 2010
He was an RFA but no tender was made.
bross09 - March 15, 2010
I did not know this.
Bernie19Kosar - March 14, 2010
Just because the NFL doesn’t have a cap doesn’t mean that this team doesn’t have a budget. There is an end to the money.
No other team interested in Delhomme, New Orleans being the other, was interested in him as a starter. We were bidding against ourselves (as far as we know).
Call me crazy, but 7 million dollars for a QB that no one else wanted is stupid money. Theoretically that money could have gone towards a WR (Chris Chambers), a Safety (Atogwe), or even another ILB (Bullack?).
To just say, “there is no cap” is a dangerous way to approach this offseason. No cap doesn’t mean no budget. We aren’t the Yankees.
Bernie19Kosar - March 14, 2010
first of all, is the 7 million confirmed?
even if it is, I don’t think its dangerous to approach this offseason with the idea that we can spend more money, as long as it only applies to spending it this year. I wouldn’t give out a huge multi-year deal, but i have no problem with a front-loaded 2 year deal.
We may be on a budget, but i’m willing to bet our budget for this year is pretty huge, as long as it only impacts this season.
notthatnoise - March 14, 2010
The stuff I have read said there are a lot of incentives, but it is up to 7 million.
Roger Dorn - March 14, 2010
Honestly, the money is secondary.
We shouldn’t have signed Jake Delhomme because he is horrible is the main point.
Giving him 7 million dollars (or so) was just the icing on the moron cake.
Bernie19Kosar - March 15, 2010
Yes.
Although the more info that comes out appears that most of the money is in fact incentives.
Roger Dorn - March 15, 2010
mmmmmmmmmm…moron cake.
Dawg Nuts - March 15, 2010
I am willing to bet Lerner would go into bigtime millionaire debt if it meant we became a good franchise. I don’t think actual dollars are a big deal to him.
rufio - March 14, 2010
Spending money hasn’t been a problem for Lerner.
But still, bidding against yourself will catch up with you at some point.
Bernie19Kosar - March 15, 2010
At the point when there is a salary cap again, no doubt. Its ok for this offseason.
rufio - March 18, 2010
and then you see the contracts for Charlie Whitehurst and DA and its suddenly not a big deal.
Roger Dorn - March 18, 2010
Exactly my reaction.
RelapsingDawgCatcher - March 18, 2010
Dude has like 2.2 billion dollars. The cleveland browns as a buisness are a money printing press. He really doesn’t have to care what he spends on players. $10 million is like nothing to him.
jaws. - March 15, 2010
Tell the Glazers that the NFL is a guaranteed money maker.
Bernie19Kosar - March 15, 2010
the cleveland browns are a guaranteed money maker
notthatnoise - March 15, 2010
Tell that to Art Modell.
Bernie19Kosar - March 16, 2010
Ha!
North Coast Flea - March 16, 2010
bross09 - March 16, 2010
fixed (sort of)
bross09 - March 16, 2010
If Art Modell ran a casino he would still cry he was losing money.
North Coast Flea - March 16, 2010
Art modell could run Microsoft and he would be bankrupt.
bross09 - March 16, 2010
More casinos that not have been struggling financially over the past 4-5 years.
Roger Dorn - March 16, 2010
I agree, except for wanting to get bullock b/c:
a) he has never played ILB in a 3-4 and is more of a 4-3 OLB and I don’t know how he will fit
b) I believe he tore his ACL last season (or some major injury)
c) He will be 33 next month
d) He has seen a dropoff in his play since around the age of 30 (2007). this significant dropoff, combined with a major injury makes me skeptical.
bross09 - March 15, 2010
the one question I have is: was he still injured last year (or hurting) from the surgery and is he healthy now? if both are yes, then He might improve. I do not think it is a good move either but he might improve from lastyear.
bross09 - March 15, 2010
i think this was well stated. i’ll give anyone a chance if holmgren thinks they deserve one.
plus, the guy has had success in the past, or at least more success than anyone else we have.
Dawg Nuts - March 14, 2010
I just am not/was not sure it makes sense in the big picture.
I guess I would bet on Delhomme being better than BQ last year, and we were able to trade Quinn for picks and a player.
So essentially, we got got a short-term upgrade at QB and some late-round draft picks in exchange for a ridiculously slim chance we had a franchise QB.
rufio - March 14, 2010
I would say that is likely that he doesn’t have a good season. It is not like he is peyton manning having a bad season. he is an above average QB who is aging and might have hit the wall.
At the same time, his shoulder might not have been completely healed from tommy john (which can take a long time).
I don’t think it is at all fairly hog certain that he will be bad, or good.
bross09 - March 15, 2010
Tommy John is an elbow surgery.
Bernie19Kosar - March 15, 2010
yeah. I did know that now that you mention it. I wasn’t thinking right I guess when I posted that (even though I still believe there is a chance he was still hurt…i say CHANCE)
bross09 - March 15, 2010
Having Tommy John surgery on your shoulder goes a long way towards explaining those 18 interceptions.
golanbatrac - March 15, 2010
Outstanding.
SpecialBrownie - March 15, 2010
I like Delhomme and I am positive and excited for this year. Go Jake!!!!
rockybrown - March 14, 2010
The Charlotte Observer reported today that the Panthers have no interest in Quinn. A team desperate for a QB has no interest in Quinn. What does that tell you?
Roger Dorn - March 14, 2010
They love Kolb/McNabb?
pulls hopeful hat on a bit tighter
LondonBrown - March 14, 2010
tells me that they believe they have their man in Matt Moore. That was evidenced by their cutting of Jake Delhomme. I’m not surprised that they don’t want to add anyone who might cause a QB controversy. They are handing the reigns to Moore and seeing what he’s got.
jaws. - March 14, 2010
Absolutely
Brownie's Year - March 14, 2010
The only place Brady Quinn will cause a controversy is in Cleveland.
gahnki - March 14, 2010
What can you say? The fans are ruthless.
Spidey - March 14, 2010 via mobile
Here
I was able to catch Rome talking about this on his morning show. He said we are ruthless and have the right to be.
Brownie's Year - March 14, 2010
Haha
Buckeye Brad - March 14, 2010
Too bad he wasn’t a free agent, the Browns would have given him 7MIL.
Bernie19Kosar - March 14, 2010
No.
Roger Dorn - March 14, 2010
Would be a more accurate joke if we were discussing DA….
RelapsingDawgCatcher - March 14, 2010
For 7 million , they could have signed DSharper , a future HOF’er , and brought immediate credibility to the defense . Collecting mediocre QB’s won’t win any more games than last year . Holmgren’s stance that he’s giving Mangini more options is a cop out . He’s setting up Mangini to fail , which he is more than capable of on his own .
SALTY DAWG - March 14, 2010
Good point on Sharper.
LondonBrown - March 14, 2010
Sharper just underwent surgery, he won’t sign until teams are sure he is medically sound.
Roger Dorn - March 14, 2010
I guess my point is we need game changing players , more so than a conglomeration of solid performers . Didn’t know Sharper had surgery , would prefer still ; a questionable Sharper , as opposed to a washed up Delhomme .
SALTY DAWG - March 14, 2010
only problem with sharper is that he fits better in a team that needs to win now. We are building for the future and he only has a few years left. I love the guy but I don’t see him leaving New Orleans.
jaws. - March 14, 2010
It doesn’t happen overnight. Have patience, my salty friend.
Roger Dorn - March 14, 2010
That’s why he’s salty.
Brownie's Year - March 14, 2010
Some teams go from worst to first , and have high expectations . It seems Cleveland has an " it’s OK to rebuild on a 5 year plan attitude" I’m tired of waiting for next year , but further I apologize for bashing you several days ago . I have a salt free diet on Sunday
SALTY DAWG - March 14, 2010
Salt is good for you though, just in moderation.
Brownie's Year - March 14, 2010
…and it isn’t like we are at Lerner’s spending limit because of Delhomme.
rufio - March 14, 2010
That kinda sounds like a Phil Savage approach to free agency.
North Coast Flea - March 14, 2010
“I could come up with about 100 other lines that were used, but the one thing you won’t really find is a positive reaction.”
To be sure, several people are quite positive, and the negative reactions are really OVERreactions. I say they are overrections because it’s not like we are taking a huge chance or replacing a superstar with a washed up veteran. Really, all of the reactions pertaining to the QBs ever since 1999 have been overreactions because all of our QBs have amounted to a hill of beans.
What’s the saying? “Don’t sweat the small stuff”…? This is pretty small in the scheme of things.
You folks want to get angry and upset? Just go over to the Draft Reviews. Read a few of those and this will compare to one of the many 5th round picks (at worst) we have experienced and NOT rank as a Chaun Thompson-type (2nd round reach/gamble that weakens the team for years) decision.
Spidey - March 14, 2010 via mobile
Don’t sweat the petty things, and don’t pet the sweaty things works for me…
LondonBrown - March 14, 2010
It’s a QB driven league , no one is licensed in Cleveland .
SALTY DAWG - March 14, 2010
That was kind of a lame joke.
rufio - March 14, 2010
Delhomme is licensed but he is an old lady driver who leaves his blinkers on too long.
bross09 - March 15, 2010
Another point about “credibility” – it sure looks like Quinn has absolutely no credibility in the lockerroom. This offense needs a leader who is hungry to perform well. What other QBs currently available fills those requirements?
When the head coach gets teary eyes when releasing a player- that says something about his credibility.
Spidey - March 14, 2010 via mobile
Tweets from DQ and Eric Wright when DA was released gave me a hint that they threw their support behind DA over Quinn.
Roger Dorn - March 14, 2010
I always thought DA was pretty dignified under the circumstances, but that Quinn’s popstar charisma would put him on top in the locker room. Maybe I guessed wrong.
LondonBrown - March 14, 2010
I wonder why they had such a problem with Quinn. He seems like a nice guy, not the tool that most automatically label him as because he’s from ND and good looking. Plus, he’s better than DA by a slight margin.
emily522 - March 14, 2010
Nice guys don"t win football games , neither does “good looks” or popstar charisma[ ? ] Isn’t winning the reason they play , where’s Herman Edwards when I need him .
SALTY DAWG - March 14, 2010
right here
jaws. - March 14, 2010
That was great.
North Coast Flea - March 14, 2010
Parcells’ flows like a mad man.
Brownie's Year - March 14, 2010
Awesome.
gahnki - March 14, 2010
He went to ND.
Villeslgr - March 14, 2010
This was from DQ, which was retweeted by Eric Wright.
Roger Dorn - March 14, 2010
Maybe they are trying to up his credibility in the hopes that he starts somewhere so they can load up on sacks and ints.
North Coast Flea - March 14, 2010
LOL could be…could be.
Red-Right-88 - March 15, 2010
Another Polomalu interception!
That’s all this signing keeps screaming to me. And the Brown’s QB Carousel just got even more ridiculous. If we end up cutting Ben you guys can have him for 3 straight years of 1st round pics. Not!
SoCalSteelerFan - March 14, 2010
At least our QBs aren’t fat, drunk rapists.
There’s always that.
SpecialBrownie - March 14, 2010
Whoa, that’s not fair.
Ben Roethlisberger has not been proven to be fat yet.
Bernie19Kosar - March 14, 2010
Proof. Actual picture of Ben in his office during the offseason.
SpecialBrownie - March 14, 2010
… just fell out of the chair.
jaws. - March 14, 2010
“HEY YOU GUYS!”
Brownie's Year - March 14, 2010
Been laughing for ten minutes. Holding in the throwup.
Brownie's Year - March 14, 2010
One thing is certain about Jake Delhomme: He wont get busted for sexual assault in a seedy college divebar in east turdville, Georgia.
jaws. - March 14, 2010
Or crash his motorcycle like a complete idiot.
SpecialBrownie - March 14, 2010
Like a Kellen Winslow?
North Coast Flea - March 14, 2010
Reuben Droughns.
SpecialBrownie - March 14, 2010
Take it from someone who has spent time in Milledgeville, GA, there is NO reason a NFL player should be there.
Nothing good happens in Milledgeville.
Bernie19Kosar - March 14, 2010
If you cut Ben, we wouldn’t have to give you anything for him. But you are a Steelers fan, so I can see where the breakdown in logic occurs. At birth.
gahnki - March 14, 2010
this was outstanding. rec.
Dawg Nuts - March 14, 2010
Nicely done. Rec.
RelapsingDawgCatcher - March 14, 2010
Considering we were able to make Ward cry without having a QB last year, I think you should concentrate on making sure your team is healthy and free of court cases.
Villeslgr - March 14, 2010
on a sidenote, Delhomme was weeping like a gushing water main break on 9th street a couple weeks ago…all we need a mentally weak QB (kinda kidding…kinda not)
Red-Right-88 - March 15, 2010
none of this makes any sense. congratulations on representing your fanbase in a manner consistent with your other troll friends.
Dawg Nuts - March 14, 2010
How did you guys do in the playoffs this year?
rufio - March 14, 2010
Better yet, how did they do in the 2nd half of the season.
North Coast Flea - March 15, 2010
I just read on PFT that Shaun Hill just got traded from the 49ers to the Lions for a 7th round pick! Hill, in his 3 year career of 19 games played/10 starts has a 87.3 QB rating with 23 TD/ 11 Int. Is Quinn worth anything?
rockybrown - March 14, 2010
I would have rather had Hill than Delhomme. Your point about Quinn’s value is a good one.
golanbatrac - March 14, 2010
Pretty good bargain for the Lions.
Chris Pokorny - March 14, 2010
yep.
bross09 - March 15, 2010
the one thing is, upside.
With BQ you get a young guy who was very mediocre in the league but has good tools, started all 4 years in college, and played well in college.
With Shaun Hill, you get a 30 yr old UDFA who played one full season in college, and is a career backup with only 16 career starts in 8 seasons (and before ’07 in SF, no career pass attempts).
basically, you know what you are going to get with Shaun Hill…a seneca wallace type, but less mobile. a guy who is a good backup in the league but is not overly talented.
With BQ you get a guy who is probably a backup but has good upside.
bross09 - March 15, 2010
Jake Delhomme signing
I may just slit my wrist.
Jeffrey Martin - March 14, 2010
So is there anyone that Is interested in participating in the 7 round mock at MtD?? The previous rep bowed out so we need a replacement
Brownie’s Year already said he isn’t.
TheAngelsColts - March 14, 2010
I don’t follow college football, or I’d do it.
golanbatrac - March 14, 2010
I could help ya out.
Bernie19Kosar - March 14, 2010
cool you could check out the guidlines here of how we run it. Also by friday we would need your BPA list. we may be ready for your pick before but we will see.
if you go there and can email me that would be great. http://www.mockingthedraft.com/2010/3/13/1371725/2-7-round-results-next-one-will-be
TheAngelsColts - March 14, 2010
ANDERSON vs DELHOMME
I hope Jake resurrects his career in Cleveland , however it seems that DA at 25 or 26 had a bigger potential upside than the 35 year old Delhomme , who was equally erratic despite the presence of Steve Smith , Williams , and Stewart . Deangelo Williams was available in the 2006 draft when we chose Wimbley , hopefully Holmgren drafts better .
SALTY DAWG - March 14, 2010
Uhhhhh, it’s Heckert who will be leading the draft and I feel in pretty good shape knowig that to be the case.
Spidey - March 14, 2010 via mobile
I think it really comes down to this:
would I prefer someone else as my QB? yeah, for sure
do i think it would be the end of the world if jake delhomme started? no, not at all
Jake Delhomme is obviously nothing more than a placeholder, and i think he can do that at least as well as quinn would. I think all the doom and gloom here is a big overreaction.
notthatnoise - March 14, 2010
A placeholder is Doug Pederson. JD is serving a greater purpose, given his contract and experience.
Spidey - March 14, 2010 via mobile
People slitting wrists. Human sacrifice. Dogs and cats living together. Mass hysteria!
When did this site become Cleveland.com???
Spidey - March 14, 2010 via mobile
I view the response here as a pretty reasonable response to signing Jake Delhomme for $7 million.
gahnki - March 14, 2010
c’mon, some of the negativity has been a litle over the top. even if he starts, he isn’t going to be as bad as what we had last year. he just isn’t.
Dawg Nuts - March 14, 2010
the only thing certain is that Delhomme’s only purpose is to keep the job warm for whomever holmgren drafts in the 3rd round. We will come away with this draft with a quarterback.
jaws. - March 14, 2010
That could have been cheaper and in house.
Bernie19Kosar - March 14, 2010
but i would personally rather have a rookie learn behind delhomme, and without a cap this season i don’t really know why the money matters. We get to act like a big market baseball team this season because our owner wants to spend whatever it takes.
notthatnoise - March 14, 2010
I hope you’re right. Then again, look at Delhomme’s stats for last year. I’m trying to be positive, really I am.
RelapsingDawgCatcher - March 14, 2010
look at his stats every year before that, and its easier to be positive.
notthatnoise - March 14, 2010
I know, I know. Just having DA 2007 flashbacks.
RelapsingDawgCatcher - March 14, 2010
Quinn traded to Denver per Jay Glazer on Twitter.
Roger Dorn - March 14, 2010
Peyton Hillis and 2 conditional draft picks.
Roger Dorn - March 14, 2010
That’s gotta hurt, getting traded for a white running back.
golanbatrac - March 14, 2010
Let’s get Gerhart and go nuts.
Roger Dorn - March 14, 2010
I think that is actually the plan. We acquired Hillis to mentor Gerhart on being a white running back.
Villeslgr - March 14, 2010
I laughed at this.
golanbatrac - March 14, 2010
Me too.
North Coast Flea - March 14, 2010
We’re all about mentoring this year.
Villeslgr - March 14, 2010
All I can say is: I hope we can turn a couple of these draft picks into a starting strong safety to pair with eric berry.
jaws. - March 14, 2010
Conditional means they won’t be until 2011 at the earliest.
Roger Dorn - March 14, 2010
OMG, MOONCAMPING IS RUNNING THIS ORGANIZATION!!!
gahnki - March 14, 2010
Wow.
RelapsingDawgCatcher - March 14, 2010
the tweet
jaws. - March 14, 2010
Is this real?
Brownie's Year - March 14, 2010
Jay Glazer is legit, so I assume so.
Roger Dorn - March 14, 2010
I put up a fanshot on the front page.
Thanks for the heads up Dorn.
Bernie19Kosar - March 14, 2010
This should get an interesting mixed reaction, I feel.
Roger Dorn - March 14, 2010
I hope it’s cathartic for both sides. The BQ story in Cleveland is over. Moving on….
RelapsingDawgCatcher - March 14, 2010
yeah, I’m glad we don’t have to worry about that controversy anymore.
notthatnoise - March 14, 2010
I just don’t get why we invested in Quinn, set him up to fail – then don’t allow him a chance to prove himself with 1 more season. Nowhere near enough starts to judge his potential. Don’t like this move at all.
Browns2012 - March 14, 2010
we didn’t set him up to fail, he failed all on his own.
notthatnoise - March 14, 2010
He had one shining moment…the Lions game this year….since then nothing close. I wish him the best in Denver, he was a QB that didnt get into trouble away from the game, was a Browns fan as a kid….just didn’t have it.
Red-Right-88 - March 15, 2010
I do not like the signing, but ...
1 This gives Browns a vet QB who has led his team to a Super Bowl
2 Jake wants to prove his critics wrong
3 He chose Cleveland over New Orleans – shows he wants to earn it, not tag along on a champ
4 His struggles may have been due to slow recovery from injury, and he may be much better if healthy
5 Holmgren picked him, and he knows QBs
6 Opens the door to drafting a QB and giving him time to develop
WarWolf - March 15, 2010
all valid points, and the only way to look at things now that he’s here.
Dawg Nuts - March 16, 2010
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