The only positive thought I have is, the team needs a veteran quarterback who accepts a 3rd string role. Delhomme has his money and may be willing to sit and just be a veteran presence. Holmgren probably laid out the reality of the situation to Delhomme- he isn’t going to compete for a starting job. He’s just depth.
My problem with Jake is the following: Carolina had an excellent rushing attack and really all Delhomme needed to do was limit turnovers and the Panthers were probably making the playoffs. He failed in this responsibility. The Browns right now have similar personnel in that the strength of the team is running the ball.
This is one of those moves that if it plays out like many of us suspect, it would completely torpedo my confidence in the front office, not matter what other good decisions they may make later.
I am not a very good judge of football talent, but I still feel like this is a bad idea.
Holmgren insisted he did not, and would not promise Delhomme a starting job. “I told him when I met with him that we’ll never say that to a free agent guy, tell him, ’You’re the starter,’” Holmgren said. “I think if you promise guys those things, and then something happens (to change that), then you have a disgruntled player. We’re not going to do that. I think if we’re competing with New Orleans, I think it’s safe to say he will not be the starter in New Orleans. I think he certainly has the potential to be the starter here.”
While this should make me feel better, I am not sure it does. If Jake wanted to be a back-up, he would have gone to New Orleans and had a shot at a Super Bowl. He still must think he is a starter in this league.
I was 100% okay with Wallace as our starter week 1. I am NOT cool with Delhomme as our starter.
I’ll agree with that. Even if Seneca is no better than a mad-scramble QB I have a soft spot for that type of player; with Holmgren there he should be a lot more.
Delhomme is just a safe hand-off type of QB made for the classic Giants/ Bears superbowl teams.
Honestly, I think Quinn nets us something like a 5th or 6th round pick. If we are lucky maybe we can make it a conditional pick in 2011 with a chance that it turns into something higher.
Quinn is definitely worth more than that, although this signing should diminish his value a bit.
Some team has got to see that he was set up to fail. He never really had a chance given all the organizational instability, changes in coaching and QB controversies.
If I was another team that needed a qb I’d look hard at taking a chance on quinn.
Its all about perception, I guarantee there is at least one or two other GMs out there who might have liked what they saw in him before the draft in 07. They might think the guy just was set up to fail with the situations he was put in. Peyton manning’s first 12 games in the league were equally bad as Brady’s, and Peyton got to start all 12 in the same season with continuity of coaching and no quarterback controversy. Quinn has gotten a really raw deal in cleveland and if we do trade him I’ll be happy for him if he turns out to be a perfectly fine quarterback.
Hell, I wouldn’t be suprised if he was picked up the the, cough, cough — Broncos. I would really be punching walls if he went there and thrived. I really hate the Bronco’s almost as much as Pukesburgh
Somebody would give up a decent player and a 5th rounder for him based on intangibles and possible upside. Also the quarterback position is of huge positional value. A decent quarterback could net you an exceptional safety or something.
You are greatly overvaluing Quinn. What has he shown that would make an NFL team think he has “upside” over the past three years? They don’t care about all the excuses you keep making for him. He hasn’t shown much of anything, and worst of all he’s shown absolutely no improvement over three seasons.
There are several teams who are nearly as desperate for a QB as we are. Somebody might think he could be it. There’s plenty of reasons to think he could have success somewhere else. Don’t sell the guy short. Check what Cleveland Frowns had to say about all the Quinn negativity.
Peyton Manning’s first 12 starts in the NFL were equally as bad as Quinns, if not worse. He has had the same offensive cordinator and president/GM from his first game until now. He has never had to ever worry about his backup coming in and taking over for him, because the coaches believed in him and showed confidence in him, no matter how bad he was at first.
Brady Quinn has had 12 NFL starts spread over a period of 3 seasons, with 2 different Coaching staffs. Not even 6 consecutive starts. New offensive cordinators every year. Each training camp was a new playbook. All the while he had some other quarterback right behind him and the coaching staff would never give him a vote of confidence or show him that they were committed to him at all.
I think one of those guys got stuck with a raw deal.
Brady Quinn is a class act for not demanding a trade to a team who would better develop his talents.
Quinn might never be a great quarterback, but the book isn’t closed on this guy, he still could go somewhere else and be alright. It is just idiotic to assume that you could know the whole story from his current body of work.
You didn’t see the Lions or Jets pushing the panic button and replacing their Rookie QBs even though neither one of them put up even good numbers. They knew better than to wreck the guy’s confidence like that.
You didn’t see the Lions or Jets pushing the panic button and replacing their Rookie QBs even though neither one of them put up even good numbers. They knew better than to wreck the guy’s confidence like that.
The Browns never replaced Quinn in his rookie season (because he never started). The Browns never replaced Quinn in his second season (he lost the starting job because of injury). The Browns only replaced Quinn after game 3 of his third season, so those examples aren’t comparable to the Browns at all.
What does it matter what season it is? He had a new offense every year and never really got to start a whole season. Each of those 3 seasons might as well have been season one again, because he never had a chance to be comfortable in his role and had to learn a new offense each year.
and now that you mention injury, after a 2nd straight season being ended by an injury, I have to wonder how durable the guy is too…that has to be considered.
I’ve been following the threads here from afar for a while…
It is interesting to look at the fan opinions here:
About 33% are sure Brady isn’t the guy
About 33% are sure that we shouldn’t get a QB from early the draft
About 33% are sure we shouldn’t trade for someone like Kolb or McNabb as it would be too costly
What does that really leave? If you don’t get a QB from the draft (and in my opinion the earlier in the draft gives you the best odds of getting a decent one) and you don’t give up good picks for a decent veteran, what can you do but pick up a free agent like Delhomme?
I don’t think this is a terrible move at all. We still have our first pick to focus on defense, a WR or RB and we have something to try at QB for this year which is definitely a rebuilding year. Delhomme has had some pretty decent years… true, last year was terrible but the year before we pretty good. If you don’t want to give up great picks in the draft this is the kind of guy you are going to get.
Serously…I have having major doubts of renewing my season tix going in to the season…Seneca Wallace and Jake Delhomme…I think I just threw up in my mouth….ugh…
Warner had a borderline hall of fame career and multiple MVP seasons before he went to the cards. Delhomme does not. The panthers clearly had no confidence in him, they cut him in favor of Matt Moore. That kind of emotional decision doesn’t get made if they think the guy can still get it done.
I wonder how many Cards fans threw up in their mouths when they signed washed up old Kurt Warner? Or Titans fans with Collins?
Warner is a bad comparison because he is a HOF level QB.
Collins is a decent comparison, but Delhomme was horrible is Carolina around top level offensive talent (Best 1-2 rushing attack in the NFL and Steve Smith). He is coming to a team with a at best average WR corps (that’s being kind) and a average to good running attack. Do we really expect him, at the age of 36 next season, to turn it around? 25 INTS in his last 12 games.
When it comes to health issues I trust my doctor. When it comes to legal issues I trust my lawyer. So when it comes to Quarterback issues I will trust Holmgrem.
We sure aren’t going to win a super bowl in the next two years with Jake Delhomme running the offense. There just isn’t any point to this signing. We could have played the whole season with Wallace or Quinn or any young guy Holmgren signed off the street. Give the young guy a chance to be “the guy” and if he isn’t… draft a guy next year.
Why the hell do you sign an old guy who will bandage the position for two years and brings in the possibility of an 8-8 mediocre season where your draft pick is too low to get a franchise signal caller next year?
Just saw the details. Two year deal…I think that is even more evidence that they will make a move at a QB in the draft. I think the most likely scenario will probably be Colt McCoy, though I don’t rule out a move to get Bradford. Plus given Heckert’s previous comments, the Tebow rumors might start coming up.
From when I watched him, he had good accuracy but not elite accuracy. the system does help to make his accuracy look better. still, in a WCO, I think he could develop well.
Why go the "placeholder’ route and subject us loyal season ticket holders to another season of mediocrity? I don’t mind making moves for clear upgrades but I don’t think this is…and as for the draft….we will not get our starting QB out of this draft. Another 6-10 or 7-9 season coming our way…
Quinn, Anderson, Delhomme, Wallace… all 4 QBs involved needed a change of scenery for the sanity of the organizations, the fans, and themselves. Its gonna be interesting to watch this coming year! (cue the “like a train wreck”)
To me this is fine if you’re certain that: Brady isn’t the answer, there’s no available long-term solutions available via reasonable trade, and you don’t like the QBs in the draft.
I’m not a fan of this year’s QB class so if Holmgren didn’t think he could get the QB of the future for good value, so be it.
Tell you the truth… WOW that makes a ton of sense to me just now. It always has been Holmgren and his disciples (Andy Reid, Jon Gruden) who were enthusiastically willing to bring big chunks of the full on spread offense to the NFL. Gruden loves Tebow and has said he would make him the #1 overall selection. Reid brought in Michael Vick and ran shovel options and some wacky stuff last year… and had great success.
At this point I wouldn’t be the least bit surprised if the Grandson of Jesus Christ himself is a Cleveland Brown next year. Things could get very interesting…
maybe holmgren has gone mad scientist… and has the ambitious evil plan of gradually introducing the legitimate spread offense to the NFL. I’d pay to see that.
Don’t worry I have Tim Couch, Andre Rison, Chris Speilman, and William Green jerseys. The only jersey I have that is relevant is my signed Cribbs jersey.
Either. But on the other hand, we have to accept we’re in rebuilding mode. Holmgren is the new man and he obviously thinks the team needs to be built a certain way. I look at it this way, We’re accustomed to bad and boy, Delhomme has been bad of late. But this move also has a tremendous potential upside, Delhomme stats are:
Career NFL statistics as of 2009
TD–INT 123–94
Passing yards 19,892
QB Rating 82.1
Worth noting also that on April 23, 2009, the Panthers signed Delhomme to a 5-year extension worth $42.5 million, with a $20 million guarantee, putting him under contract through 2014. We all know how that went but is he done or is he done?
That’s the real question and seeing as he’s not coming in as a guaranteed starter, there’s no pressure like he had at the Panthers. He’d an old boy that most think is finished and those guys sometimes have an epilogue to their careers.
What really concerns me is who’s making these calls. Holmgren, sure, he said every decision henceforth was a “Cleveland Browns” decision, but unfortunately a lot of these calls look like Mike Holmgren decisions as far as the QB goes. Wallace is clearly his guy but then we have Delhomme now too. I thought they wanted to avoid quarterback derbies?
More questions will be answered when Quinn is traded and we see who to and what we got for him. Frankly though, I’d rather stick with Quinn than what we have.
What really concerns me is who’s making these calls. Holmgren, sure, he said every decision henceforth was a "Cleveland Browns" decision, but unfortunately a lot of these calls look like Mike Holmgren decisions as far as the QB goes. Wallace is clearly his guy but then we have Delhomme now too. I thought they wanted to avoid quarterback derbies?
At the moment I’m not concerned with the QB decisions, because I don’t think Mangini liked any of his two QBs and I think Wallace and Delhomme were brought in for intangibles and not to be our long term QB solution. I think the big decision, and the telling decision, about the future workings of our FO will be the selection of our “young” QB.
Holmgren has the final say on everything. He asks for everyone’s input on these kinds of moves from Heckert to Mangini down to the position coaches. They try to come to a consensus. I am guessing there is seldom a consensus. I am guessing it is majority wins when there is a big majority, and if there is a pretty even split, Holmgren decides.
As to who starts, I think that decision will be 100% up to Mangini and the coaches.
Now I think would be a good time to trade Quinn, Rogers, and maybe a 3 and a 5 for Marshall so they have someone to throw to. While we can keep the 7 to draft defense and maybe get Berry or Haden.
Dude I don’t love quinn. Id be happy to trade him for something half ass decent. I am just saying that I don’t understand the point of bringing in a 35 year old quarterback when you could easily hand the job to a 26 year old quarterback and probably have the same shitty season either way.
At least the 26 year old quarterback could potentially figure it out and become decent. I doubt Delhomme will turn it around.
Probably the same season, but one player represents a clean break from the past while the other still holds some imagination among the fans. We know Quinn is not the answer- the last thing we need is a 2007-type DA season to derail the plans for getting the team into the hands of a capable QB.
What other successful QBs are available on the market? Sure, JD’s best years are behind him, but I would rather have this guy in the lockerroom establishing a culture of winning and professionalism.
I think I wrote it in another thread, but my opinion is that we are working on building an offensive philosophy and we are bringing “veteran” QBs who will help the “supporting cast” learn the offense. I don’t believe they feel Quinn is the answer and prefer to have players with experience who can be teachers as opposed to having a QB who is still learning and hasn’t proven he can handle the job.
He didn’t start under Savage because DA was coming off his pro bowl year, but he was drafted to eventually start. And they went straight to him as a starter in 08 when they didn’t like what DA was giving them.
More to the point, he actually did get the starting job under Mangini. The Holmgren era isn’t set on him, but Holmgren would be the first to tell you that a QB needs at least a full season at starter. Quinn hasn;t gotten one, which is really my point. You draft a QB high up the draft, you never give him a full season to start, he leads a bad football team and you cut loose? It’s not so much that Quinn is good or bad as much as it is that we don’t know.
14 Starts by Quinn in the NFL, bad games, good games and average games, Mixed bag. So at this point in his career he is gone in Cleveland. I don’t buy it.
I think we all agree the beginning of 2009 with Dabol running the show and the offensive play calling, well it was offensive. Jamal Lewis starting, Braylon sucking, no Winslow, Mass not starting, so it was Quinns fault.
To me if he gets traded, the Browns made a mistake. Now tell me the Browns draft Bradford, and I will buy Quinn leaving town. But Tebow or McCoy, no thanks.
Jake, Senca, and Ratcliff, I see at least 14-2
Can we for one second think that Holmgren, who has a 25 yr.+ track record of being around developing some of the best quarterbacks (ever), knows what he is doing when it comes to evaluating whether or not a guy “has it”?
Do you honestly think moves like this are made, without a plan??
Maybe of we put quinn/anderson in a better situation… maybe if we put quinn/anderson in a better system… maybe if surround quinn/anderson with better players… maybe, maybe, maybe… WTF!
Maybe looking at it from the inside-out, we have been living on false hope, and the new guys with an outside-in perspective can actually see it… and they are doing something about it!
Maybe of we put quinn/anderson in a better situation… maybe if we put quinn/anderson in a better system… maybe if surround quinn/anderson with better players… maybe, maybe, maybe… WTF!
Sanity check here people! Delhomme had one horrendous year. here are his career stats: http://www.nfl.com/players/jakedelhomme/profile?id=DEL367367
last year was the first year he had more INTs than TDs, and the others really aren’t even that close, except for two seasons when he only had three more TDs than picks. he only has one other season under a 59% completion percentage, and that was 58.4% way back in 2004. He has a career mark of 7.2 YPA, and only has one other season besides last year under that mark.
Last year was pretty terrible, but it wasn’t close to DA bad and it wasn’t even Brady quinn bad. last year jake delhomme would have been the best qb on our team, and that was by far the worst season of his career. I think we all need to step back from the ledge here and use our brains. Its not a bad pickup.
I know it won’t get DA bad. It’s impossible. But the thought of picking up someone on the decline irks me. I know he had a good career up to a few years ago and there’s always a chance he picks it up again. But damn, this move raises a lot of question marks.
That’s fair. I think Wallace was brought in because he knows Holmgren’s system, is comfortable being a backup, and will be a good backup for us. He also solidifies our QB situation; this way we don’t need to draft a guy, we don’t really need to trade anyone.
If the right guy comes along, or the right trade is proposed for BQ, we can pull the trigger. Otherwise, I think we put ourselves in to better position to be drafting BPA.
I would cut Ratliff before I cut Quinn or delt him for less than he was worth. I think Quinn stays until we find a trade partner or his contract expires.
If it was a singular game, I wouldn’t be bitching. But Delhomme has followed up a record setting horrible playoff game with a horrendous season in which his team paid him 12 million dollars to go away.
because they had a young quarterback they wanted to go to. like i said, I can’t defend Delhomme’s terrible year, but it was just one season, every other year he’s been much better.
Last year was pretty terrible, but it wasn’t close to DA bad and it wasn’t even Brady quinn bad. last year jake delhomme would have been the best qb on our team, and that was by far the worst season of his career. I think we all need to step back from the ledge here and use our brains. Its not a bad pickup.
He is a 36 YO QB that has 25 INT’s in his last 12 games. His career numbers may be nice, but his current trend is downwards, big time. Since the playoffs of ‘08 he has been a turnover machine even in a running offense like the Panthers. Go back and look at his game log from ’09. He played well in one game (week 10 against Atlanta and their 28th rated pass defense and even that wasn’t earth shattering (15-24 for 195 yards 2 TD’s)). Other than that, he was his usual garbage self.
Add in the fact that he was surrounded with better talent that what he has here in Cleveland, why would anyone expect him to be better? Because of Mike Holmgren? He may be good, but Delhomme needs Jesus like help to even be considered starter quality. Did I mention he is 36?
You can complain all you want about his one bad year last year. here are his stats from the year before that:
59.4% completions, 3,288 yds, 7.9 YPA, 15 TDs, 12 INTs, 84.7 rating.
tell me you wouldn’t take that in a heartbeat.
last year is the aberration in his career, not a trend.
I am not going to say it is an aberration. I would not call a drop in production at that age an aberration…sometimes guys just don’t have it anymore. Look at his stats the previous season too (2007). weren’t they better than ’08?
Now I am not completely confident about signing delhomme but it is idiotic to say a guy having a bad season near the end of his career is an aberration. Was LT’s season in 2009 an aberration or a trend downward?
Now LT didn’t have a great 2008, but it wasn’t dreadful…it was decent…same with delhomme in 2008. Now people believe that LT is done b/c of that season…why isn’t delhomme done? because he was better in his prime???
there are a lot of harsh reactions here, but i dont happen to find this shocking nor do i think it is that big a deal for the upcoming season. what would shock the hell out of me and piss me off is if at the nfl draft on prime time tv this year i hear “with the #7 pick, the cleveland browns select Jimmie Clausen, QB, Notre Dame” i will flip out.
Smokescreen, and we draft a QB in the first round?
I still don’t see Delhomme as anything but a stopgap. Quinn could have filled that role for us, played another two seasons and been mediocre. This move really only makes sense if we pick up a young guy for Delhomme to mentor, and soon.
I trust our trio to have a plan. And we weren’t getting much worse than our QB play last year, so who cares? We are clearly not in “win now” mode. If anything, we are in “be a respectable team now” mode.
I would consider Delhomme, a guy who has played in the Super Bowl and who went to multiple NFC championship games a better mentor.
I think that Wallace has a better grasp of Holmgren’s offensive principles.
And while unlikely, it is conceivable that Delhomme could get back to being an above average QB in the league, whereas I don’t think Wallace has been or will ever be. Delhomme is a better smokescreen that says “we don’t need to draft anyone, we have our guy”.
I dunno, I am just trying to make sense out of this too.
I’m on 3.6 and I’m seeing it all messed up. There are color distortions and I’m missing certain shapes such as thumbs up and the characters in front of reply, actions and such.
Alas, have to concur on the Chrome blowage. As I told someone not long ago complaining about site functionality under Chrome, I’m happy to support alternate browsers, but there are limits….
I don’t think it was Bernie’s article, since all the SB blogs are messed up for me. I hope they fix it soon but using Chrome isn’t that much of an inconvenience so it’s whatever.
If enough HTML code was destroyed it could, in theory, spread throughout SBN, much like it does in DBN. You could have, quite possibly, effed up the SBN server.
Yeah, firefox is top notch, and I’m still missing characters after refreshing, also, front page fanshots come in rectangular, not rounded off and the box that tells me of new comments live thread is white, not black
Wow, you had to go and ruin my Saturday, Bernie.
Roger Dorn - March 13, 2010
Why?
gahnki - March 13, 2010
Holly mother of god.
I’m of to Pechenga Casino now.
Brownie's Year - March 13, 2010
Holmgren knows what he’s doing, I suppose…
golanbatrac - March 13, 2010
God I hope so.
emily522 - March 13, 2010
“I suppose” indeed. “In Holmgren We Guardedly Trust” just doesn’t have the same ring to it.
I mean, Jake Effing Delhomme?!?
RelapsingDawgCatcher - March 13, 2010
A 2 year deal no less!!!!!
Brownie's Year - March 13, 2010
Ya! How could that be better than one more year of Brady?
L Train - March 13, 2010
Ugh
APV - March 13, 2010
The only positive thought I have is, the team needs a veteran quarterback who accepts a 3rd string role. Delhomme has his money and may be willing to sit and just be a veteran presence. Holmgren probably laid out the reality of the situation to Delhomme- he isn’t going to compete for a starting job. He’s just depth.
gahnki - March 13, 2010
Holmgren told Delhomme that he would compete for starter.
golanbatrac - March 13, 2010
My theory was strong for approximately four minutes.
gahnki - March 13, 2010
At least this puts us in a good leverage position to trade Quinn…um….
APV - March 13, 2010
This signing tells me Quinn is gone by the end of the draft.
Roger Dorn - March 13, 2010
If not before
APV - March 13, 2010
Yes, before. I’m guessing by Wednesday.
Brownie's Year - March 13, 2010
Yeah, bye Brady.
emily522 - March 13, 2010
My problem with Jake is the following: Carolina had an excellent rushing attack and really all Delhomme needed to do was limit turnovers and the Panthers were probably making the playoffs. He failed in this responsibility. The Browns right now have similar personnel in that the strength of the team is running the ball.
Roger Dorn - March 13, 2010
My problem with him is that he’s awful.
gahnki - March 13, 2010
Succint. Thanks
Roger Dorn - March 13, 2010
*succinct
Roger Dorn - March 13, 2010
Suck-Int?
Freudian slip!
LondonBrown - March 14, 2010
Right, if he sucked in Carolina with an awesome running attack and an awesome WR, what kind of levels of sucktitude will he reach here in Cleveland?
Bernie19Kosar - March 13, 2010
My mind is just blown trying to imagine it…and I am a cleveland fan…I mean, its a bad thing if i just can’t even imagine the level of suckitude.
bross09 - March 13, 2010
Except that Carolina was loads better on Defense and also had steve smith…but I do agree with the type of role.
bross09 - March 13, 2010
This is not funny.
skipkirk - March 13, 2010
MY HEAD JUST EXPLODED
Brownie's Year - March 13, 2010
I’m off to play poker now, before I flip out.
Brownie's Year - March 13, 2010
Dude, you are on tilt, don’t do it.
Roger Dorn - March 13, 2010
Hahahaha! Awesome.
Bernie19Kosar - March 13, 2010
$80 on a 3-6 table is worth it. I’m gone.
Brownie's Year - March 13, 2010
Thats all. whats the max buy in? I play poker practicaly every day, love the game.
Wow, really, Delhomme? Guess I won’t be buying the NFL package for another year, saved me some $$$
J. W. - March 13, 2010
I should have listened. I got nothing.
Brownie's Year - March 13, 2010
This is one of those moves that if it plays out like many of us suspect, it would completely torpedo my confidence in the front office, not matter what other good decisions they may make later.
I am not a very good judge of football talent, but I still feel like this is a bad idea.
Oscar_the_Dog - March 13, 2010
While this should make me feel better, I am not sure it does. If Jake wanted to be a back-up, he would have gone to New Orleans and had a shot at a Super Bowl. He still must think he is a starter in this league.
I was 100% okay with Wallace as our starter week 1. I am NOT cool with Delhomme as our starter.
Bernie19Kosar - March 13, 2010
I forgot to add, I’m gonna go get sh*t faced.
Bernie19Kosar - March 13, 2010
Wanna hit the Casino with me?
Brownie's Year - March 13, 2010
I’ll second that…Wasn’t even planning on it before now.
bross09 - March 13, 2010
But Holmgren doesn’t believe in QB competitions. Huh?
RelapsingDawgCatcher - March 13, 2010
He said yesterday that there would be competition, but a decision would be made prior to camp. I don’t know how that works, but that’s what he said.
golanbatrac - March 13, 2010
They arm wrestle in April.
Bernie19Kosar - March 13, 2010
If we don’t trade Quinn, he’s the starter.
golanbatrac - March 13, 2010
Yes, I guess the ‘competition before anyone declares it a competition’ must be what he has in mind. Strange though.
RelapsingDawgCatcher - March 13, 2010
I’ll agree with that. Even if Seneca is no better than a mad-scramble QB I have a soft spot for that type of player; with Holmgren there he should be a lot more.
Delhomme is just a safe hand-off type of QB made for the classic Giants/ Bears superbowl teams.
LondonBrown - March 14, 2010
If nothing else, at least we’re not burning multiple picks on McNabb or Kolb.
golanbatrac - March 13, 2010
and another pick is coming for Quinn, which I am perfectly fine with.
Roger Dorn - March 13, 2010
If there is a market for him.
gahnki - March 13, 2010
Use Quinn to move up from the second round and grab Iupata. I’d shit a kitten.
golanbatrac - March 13, 2010
what about moving up to the Chiefs spot and selecting Berry? Quinn could reunite with Weis and Shaun Smith.
Roger Dorn - March 13, 2010
That’d work.
golanbatrac - March 13, 2010
Cassel is the starter and signed a big deal. Quinn is not going to KC.
Grockcubs - March 13, 2010
Who said it would be as a starter? Quinn is not going anywhere to start.
Roger Dorn - March 13, 2010
Yeah, he’d be Cassel’s backup.
emily522 - March 13, 2010
Honestly, I think Quinn nets us something like a 5th or 6th round pick. If we are lucky maybe we can make it a conditional pick in 2011 with a chance that it turns into something higher.
APV - March 13, 2010
I fear you are right.
Roger Dorn - March 13, 2010
Quinn is definitely worth more than that, although this signing should diminish his value a bit.
Some team has got to see that he was set up to fail. He never really had a chance given all the organizational instability, changes in coaching and QB controversies.
If I was another team that needed a qb I’d look hard at taking a chance on quinn.
jaws. - March 13, 2010
Did you ever consider that maybe he doesn’t have any value? Maybe he isn’t good?
Roger Dorn - March 13, 2010
Its all about perception, I guarantee there is at least one or two other GMs out there who might have liked what they saw in him before the draft in 07. They might think the guy just was set up to fail with the situations he was put in. Peyton manning’s first 12 games in the league were equally bad as Brady’s, and Peyton got to start all 12 in the same season with continuity of coaching and no quarterback controversy. Quinn has gotten a really raw deal in cleveland and if we do trade him I’ll be happy for him if he turns out to be a perfectly fine quarterback.
jaws. - March 13, 2010
I will too, I just don’t see it happening.
Roger Dorn - March 13, 2010
I doubt Quinn is worth more than a 5th round pick. He hasn’t done anything positive in the NFL in three years.
gahnki - March 13, 2010
Hell, I wouldn’t be suprised if he was picked up the the, cough, cough — Broncos. I would really be punching walls if he went there and thrived. I really hate the Bronco’s almost as much as Pukesburgh
J. W. - March 13, 2010
Did you say Broncos?
emily522 - March 13, 2010
On the poll, almost 70% of their fans are willing to get him.
emily522 - March 13, 2010
Oh god… please not the broncos. Send him to the bills, PLEASE. I want to not harbor mortal hatred towards his new team…
jaws. - March 13, 2010
Somebody would give up a decent player and a 5th rounder for him based on intangibles and possible upside. Also the quarterback position is of huge positional value. A decent quarterback could net you an exceptional safety or something.
jaws. - March 13, 2010
We know you would, but will any NFL teams?
Roger Dorn - March 13, 2010
You are greatly overvaluing Quinn. What has he shown that would make an NFL team think he has “upside” over the past three years? They don’t care about all the excuses you keep making for him. He hasn’t shown much of anything, and worst of all he’s shown absolutely no improvement over three seasons.
Buckeye Brad - March 13, 2010
they do care about the “excuses”
There are several teams who are nearly as desperate for a QB as we are. Somebody might think he could be it. There’s plenty of reasons to think he could have success somewhere else. Don’t sell the guy short. Check what Cleveland Frowns had to say about all the Quinn negativity.
jaws. - March 13, 2010
So, how many NFL GM’s have you spoken to about Quinn?
Buckeye Brad - March 13, 2010
Peyton Manning’s first 12 starts in the NFL were equally as bad as Quinns, if not worse. He has had the same offensive cordinator and president/GM from his first game until now. He has never had to ever worry about his backup coming in and taking over for him, because the coaches believed in him and showed confidence in him, no matter how bad he was at first.
Brady Quinn has had 12 NFL starts spread over a period of 3 seasons, with 2 different Coaching staffs. Not even 6 consecutive starts. New offensive cordinators every year. Each training camp was a new playbook. All the while he had some other quarterback right behind him and the coaching staff would never give him a vote of confidence or show him that they were committed to him at all.
I think one of those guys got stuck with a raw deal.
Brady Quinn is a class act for not demanding a trade to a team who would better develop his talents.
Quinn might never be a great quarterback, but the book isn’t closed on this guy, he still could go somewhere else and be alright. It is just idiotic to assume that you could know the whole story from his current body of work.
You didn’t see the Lions or Jets pushing the panic button and replacing their Rookie QBs even though neither one of them put up even good numbers. They knew better than to wreck the guy’s confidence like that.
jaws. - March 14, 2010
The Browns never replaced Quinn in his rookie season (because he never started). The Browns never replaced Quinn in his second season (he lost the starting job because of injury). The Browns only replaced Quinn after game 3 of his third season, so those examples aren’t comparable to the Browns at all.
Buckeye Brad - March 14, 2010
What does it matter what season it is? He had a new offense every year and never really got to start a whole season. Each of those 3 seasons might as well have been season one again, because he never had a chance to be comfortable in his role and had to learn a new offense each year.
jaws. - March 14, 2010
I now hope we trade BQ posthaste so we have no reason to continue to rehash these same arguments.
RelapsingDawgCatcher - March 14, 2010
completely agree.
jaws. - March 14, 2010
Then stop doing it!!!!
Buckeye Brad - March 14, 2010
I gave up the BQ crap 2 months ago. I don’t care about him anymore.
Brownie's Year - March 14, 2010
I agree. I hope he might be a good QB someday but I don’t care enough anymore.
bross09 - March 14, 2010
and now that you mention injury, after a 2nd straight season being ended by an injury, I have to wonder how durable the guy is too…that has to be considered.
bross09 - March 14, 2010
If nothing else, at least Delhomme isn’t raping chicks.
Bernie19Kosar - March 13, 2010
Too early?
Bernie19Kosar - March 13, 2010
Ha!
emily522 - March 13, 2010
Too late
APV - March 13, 2010
WHY?!?!?!?!
emily522 - March 13, 2010
I’ve been following the threads here from afar for a while…
It is interesting to look at the fan opinions here:
About 33% are sure Brady isn’t the guy
About 33% are sure that we shouldn’t get a QB from early the draft
About 33% are sure we shouldn’t trade for someone like Kolb or McNabb as it would be too costly
What does that really leave? If you don’t get a QB from the draft (and in my opinion the earlier in the draft gives you the best odds of getting a decent one) and you don’t give up good picks for a decent veteran, what can you do but pick up a free agent like Delhomme?
I don’t think this is a terrible move at all. We still have our first pick to focus on defense, a WR or RB and we have something to try at QB for this year which is definitely a rebuilding year. Delhomme has had some pretty decent years… true, last year was terrible but the year before we pretty good. If you don’t want to give up great picks in the draft this is the kind of guy you are going to get.
Brownsyup - March 13, 2010
Serously…I have having major doubts of renewing my season tix going in to the season…Seneca Wallace and Jake Delhomme…I think I just threw up in my mouth….ugh…
Waves8 - March 13, 2010
but you were okay with BQ and DA last year?
Roger Dorn - March 13, 2010
I wonder how many Cards fans threw up in their mouths when they signed washed up old Kurt Warner? Or Titans fans with Collins?
Delhomme has had a bad couple of years, but if Holmgren thinks he has something left, maybe he does…
golanbatrac - March 13, 2010
I live in Phoenix, there were no Cards fans before Warner. You only went to the game to see the other team.
OSUMoneyball - March 13, 2010
Warner had a borderline hall of fame career and multiple MVP seasons before he went to the cards. Delhomme does not. The panthers clearly had no confidence in him, they cut him in favor of Matt Moore. That kind of emotional decision doesn’t get made if they think the guy can still get it done.
jaws. - March 13, 2010
Warner is a bad comparison because he is a HOF level QB.
Collins is a decent comparison, but Delhomme was horrible is Carolina around top level offensive talent (Best 1-2 rushing attack in the NFL and Steve Smith). He is coming to a team with a at best average WR corps (that’s being kind) and a average to good running attack. Do we really expect him, at the age of 36 next season, to turn it around? 25 INTS in his last 12 games.
This was a horrendous signing (if he starts).
Bernie19Kosar - March 13, 2010
So we just replaced the young derek Anderson with the old Derek Anderson.
Say what you want about Brady Quinn, he didn’t singlehandedly keep his team out of the playoffs… like our new starter did last year.
Pruitt - March 13, 2010
Entirely my fear. I was ready at least for a new flavor of suckitude.
RelapsingDawgCatcher - March 13, 2010
When it comes to health issues I trust my doctor. When it comes to legal issues I trust my lawyer. So when it comes to Quarterback issues I will trust Holmgrem.
OSUMoneyball - March 13, 2010
We sure aren’t going to win a super bowl in the next two years with Jake Delhomme running the offense. There just isn’t any point to this signing. We could have played the whole season with Wallace or Quinn or any young guy Holmgren signed off the street. Give the young guy a chance to be “the guy” and if he isn’t… draft a guy next year.
Why the hell do you sign an old guy who will bandage the position for two years and brings in the possibility of an 8-8 mediocre season where your draft pick is too low to get a franchise signal caller next year?
jaws. - March 13, 2010
Just saw the details. Two year deal…I think that is even more evidence that they will make a move at a QB in the draft. I think the most likely scenario will probably be Colt McCoy, though I don’t rule out a move to get Bradford. Plus given Heckert’s previous comments, the Tebow rumors might start coming up.
OSUMoneyball - March 13, 2010
how can you think colt mccoy is the most likely scenario? he isnt considered a top nfl prospect.
rockybrown - March 13, 2010
Not sure what you mean by not considered a top NFL prospect. He is a second or third round prospect.
The reason I think he is the most likely scenario is because of his accurracy and his availabilty in the second or third round.
OSUMoneyball - March 13, 2010
good points, but the consensus that i’ve read from draft profiles is that he is a spead system quarterback with a lack of arm strength and size.
rockybrown - March 13, 2010
and a lack of elite accuracy
bross09 - March 13, 2010
Colt McCoy set a NCAA record for accuracy.
Bernie19Kosar - March 13, 2010
Details, details . . . .
Buckeye Brad - March 13, 2010
No? Bross can’t possibly be pulling things out of his ass!
Inconceivable.
SpecialBrownie - March 13, 2010
From when I watched him, he had good accuracy but not elite accuracy. the system does help to make his accuracy look better. still, in a WCO, I think he could develop well.
bross09 - March 14, 2010
i am completely fine with this. delhomme and wallace are just place holders until the real QB gets here. so who we gonna draft?
rockybrown - March 13, 2010
Yeah. “Moonlight come and I wanna…”
Spidey - March 13, 2010 via mobile
Why go the "placeholder’ route and subject us loyal season ticket holders to another season of mediocrity? I don’t mind making moves for clear upgrades but I don’t think this is…and as for the draft….we will not get our starting QB out of this draft. Another 6-10 or 7-9 season coming our way…
Waves8 - March 13, 2010
Another?
golanbatrac - March 13, 2010
Yea, mediocrity would be a welcome step forward.
gahnki - March 13, 2010
Ha!
North Coast Flea - March 14, 2010
Quinn, Anderson, Delhomme, Wallace… all 4 QBs involved needed a change of scenery for the sanity of the organizations, the fans, and themselves. Its gonna be interesting to watch this coming year! (cue the “like a train wreck”)
rockybrown - March 13, 2010
To me this is fine if you’re certain that: Brady isn’t the answer, there’s no available long-term solutions available via reasonable trade, and you don’t like the QBs in the draft.
I’m not a fan of this year’s QB class so if Holmgren didn’t think he could get the QB of the future for good value, so be it.
dvbb - March 13, 2010
I actually think this signing makes it more likely we draft a QB somewhere.
Roger Dorn - March 13, 2010
This trade has me in the bathtub, holding the toaster over the water…
jaws. - March 13, 2010
No BQ, no Troy Smith. I can see why you are disconsolate.
Roger Dorn - March 13, 2010
Only way this makes any sense to me:
I don’t get why you would want an old guy when you could take a shot with a young guy….
UNLESS…..you are thinking about bringing in a developmental prospect you like:
jaws. - March 13, 2010
NO.
emily522 - March 13, 2010
EXACTLY
jaws. - March 13, 2010
yayyyyyyy
OSUMoneyball - March 13, 2010
Tell you the truth… WOW that makes a ton of sense to me just now. It always has been Holmgren and his disciples (Andy Reid, Jon Gruden) who were enthusiastically willing to bring big chunks of the full on spread offense to the NFL. Gruden loves Tebow and has said he would make him the #1 overall selection. Reid brought in Michael Vick and ran shovel options and some wacky stuff last year… and had great success.
At this point I wouldn’t be the least bit surprised if the Grandson of Jesus Christ himself is a Cleveland Brown next year. Things could get very interesting…
jaws. - March 13, 2010
We aren’t drafting Tebow.
Roger Dorn - March 13, 2010
If we do, I’ll abort myself.
golanbatrac - March 13, 2010
I’ll follow suit.
emily522 - March 13, 2010
(nervously laughs)
Roger Dorn - March 13, 2010
maybe holmgren has gone mad scientist… and has the ambitious evil plan of gradually introducing the legitimate spread offense to the NFL. I’d pay to see that.
jaws. - March 13, 2010
You just keep getting crazier and crazier.
Buckeye Brad - March 13, 2010
you are just really closed minded.
jaws. - March 13, 2010
Are you a self defined hippie who lives under the boardwalk and believes in smelling like “nature” but really you’re just too lazy to shower?
You seem like it. I don’t see how you can be any more open minded then that
SpecialBrownie - March 13, 2010
Didn’t know there was internet access under the boardwalk. Crap now I have that song stuck in my head.
North Coast Flea - March 14, 2010
here is another positive point… if Delhomme keeps his #17 here you can just duct tape over “Edwards” on your jerseys
rockybrown - March 13, 2010
I hope our next franchise QB’s # is 10. Guess who’s jersey I was dumb enough to buy?
emily522 - March 13, 2010
whose*
emily522 - March 13, 2010
there have been so many players come and go over the last 10 years, we got most of the numbers covered
rockybrown - March 13, 2010
Don’t worry I have Tim Couch, Andre Rison, Chris Speilman, and William Green jerseys. The only jersey I have that is relevant is my signed Cribbs jersey.
North Coast Flea - March 14, 2010
Please #2 , that way I have use of the present my grandmother gave me
OSUMoneyball - March 13, 2010
hahaha
rockybrown - March 13, 2010
I already did that. But I wrote Sipe.
nosey313 - March 13, 2010 via mobile
Well, I think we know what this means…
emily522 - March 13, 2010
I don't really like it...
Either. But on the other hand, we have to accept we’re in rebuilding mode. Holmgren is the new man and he obviously thinks the team needs to be built a certain way. I look at it this way, We’re accustomed to bad and boy, Delhomme has been bad of late. But this move also has a tremendous potential upside, Delhomme stats are:
Career NFL statistics as of 2009
TD–INT 123–94
Passing yards 19,892
QB Rating 82.1
Worth noting also that on April 23, 2009, the Panthers signed Delhomme to a 5-year extension worth $42.5 million, with a $20 million guarantee, putting him under contract through 2014. We all know how that went but is he done or is he done?
That’s the real question and seeing as he’s not coming in as a guaranteed starter, there’s no pressure like he had at the Panthers. He’d an old boy that most think is finished and those guys sometimes have an epilogue to their careers.
What really concerns me is who’s making these calls. Holmgren, sure, he said every decision henceforth was a “Cleveland Browns” decision, but unfortunately a lot of these calls look like Mike Holmgren decisions as far as the QB goes. Wallace is clearly his guy but then we have Delhomme now too. I thought they wanted to avoid quarterback derbies?
More questions will be answered when Quinn is traded and we see who to and what we got for him. Frankly though, I’d rather stick with Quinn than what we have.
Terrible Terry Tate - March 13, 2010
I am with you.
Grockcubs - March 13, 2010
At the moment I’m not concerned with the QB decisions, because I don’t think Mangini liked any of his two QBs and I think Wallace and Delhomme were brought in for intangibles and not to be our long term QB solution. I think the big decision, and the telling decision, about the future workings of our FO will be the selection of our “young” QB.
Villeslgr - March 14, 2010
Holmgren has the final say on everything. He asks for everyone’s input on these kinds of moves from Heckert to Mangini down to the position coaches. They try to come to a consensus. I am guessing there is seldom a consensus. I am guessing it is majority wins when there is a big majority, and if there is a pretty even split, Holmgren decides.
As to who starts, I think that decision will be 100% up to Mangini and the coaches.
rufio - March 14, 2010
I don't mind it but now.....
Now I think would be a good time to trade Quinn, Rogers, and maybe a 3 and a 5 for Marshall so they have someone to throw to. While we can keep the 7 to draft defense and maybe get Berry or Haden.
nomorewhodey - March 13, 2010
All this Quinn love from the fans – yet three separate regimes have not found it worthy to give home the starting job
Spidey - March 13, 2010 via mobile
A lot of the people who liked Quinn going into the season know he isn’t the answer and are willing to trade him, myself included.
emily522 - March 13, 2010
Where, exactly, is the love in this thread, Jaws notwithstanding?
gahnki - March 13, 2010
Dude I don’t love quinn. Id be happy to trade him for something half ass decent. I am just saying that I don’t understand the point of bringing in a 35 year old quarterback when you could easily hand the job to a 26 year old quarterback and probably have the same shitty season either way.
At least the 26 year old quarterback could potentially figure it out and become decent. I doubt Delhomme will turn it around.
jaws. - March 13, 2010
Probably the same season, but one player represents a clean break from the past while the other still holds some imagination among the fans. We know Quinn is not the answer- the last thing we need is a 2007-type DA season to derail the plans for getting the team into the hands of a capable QB.
What other successful QBs are available on the market? Sure, JD’s best years are behind him, but I would rather have this guy in the lockerroom establishing a culture of winning and professionalism.
Spidey - March 13, 2010 via mobile
You’ve been making excuses for Quinn all over the place; it’s not just in this thread.
Buckeye Brad - March 13, 2010
I think I wrote it in another thread, but my opinion is that we are working on building an offensive philosophy and we are bringing “veteran” QBs who will help the “supporting cast” learn the offense. I don’t believe they feel Quinn is the answer and prefer to have players with experience who can be teachers as opposed to having a QB who is still learning and hasn’t proven he can handle the job.
Villeslgr - March 14, 2010
That's misleading
He didn’t start under Savage because DA was coming off his pro bowl year, but he was drafted to eventually start. And they went straight to him as a starter in 08 when they didn’t like what DA was giving them.
More to the point, he actually did get the starting job under Mangini. The Holmgren era isn’t set on him, but Holmgren would be the first to tell you that a QB needs at least a full season at starter. Quinn hasn;t gotten one, which is really my point. You draft a QB high up the draft, you never give him a full season to start, he leads a bad football team and you cut loose? It’s not so much that Quinn is good or bad as much as it is that we don’t know.
Terrible Terry Tate - March 13, 2010
14 Starts by Quinn in the NFL, bad games, good games and average games, Mixed bag. So at this point in his career he is gone in Cleveland. I don’t buy it.
I think we all agree the beginning of 2009 with Dabol running the show and the offensive play calling, well it was offensive. Jamal Lewis starting, Braylon sucking, no Winslow, Mass not starting, so it was Quinns fault.
To me if he gets traded, the Browns made a mistake. Now tell me the Browns draft Bradford, and I will buy Quinn leaving town. But Tebow or McCoy, no thanks.
Jake, Senca, and Ratcliff, I see at least 14-2
Grockcubs - March 13, 2010
From the comments section at PFT:
golanbatrac - March 13, 2010
Wow.
emily522 - March 13, 2010
It’s true. I’d rather think ‘maybe Holmgren knows what he’s doing’
skipkirk - March 13, 2010
Sanity check here people! Delhomme had one horrendous year. here are his career stats:
http://www.nfl.com/players/jakedelhomme/profile?id=DEL367367
last year was the first year he had more INTs than TDs, and the others really aren’t even that close, except for two seasons when he only had three more TDs than picks. he only has one other season under a 59% completion percentage, and that was 58.4% way back in 2004. He has a career mark of 7.2 YPA, and only has one other season besides last year under that mark.
Last year was pretty terrible, but it wasn’t close to DA bad and it wasn’t even Brady quinn bad. last year jake delhomme would have been the best qb on our team, and that was by far the worst season of his career. I think we all need to step back from the ledge here and use our brains. Its not a bad pickup.
notthatnoise - March 13, 2010
Whoa! Rather sober assessment. Haven’t you been hitting the bars and drinking with the many of the other folks?
Truly amazing to hear that JD’s season was better than DA/BQ in 2009. And he is showing a lot more passion to play the game.
Spidey - March 13, 2010 via mobile
i am a supporter of this move
rockybrown - March 13, 2010
I know it won’t get DA bad. It’s impossible. But the thought of picking up someone on the decline irks me. I know he had a good career up to a few years ago and there’s always a chance he picks it up again. But damn, this move raises a lot of question marks.
skipkirk - March 13, 2010
There just isn’t anyone who looks like they have any potential who is young who is available right now.
We would be better off drafting someone than trading for a young unknown QB.
QB was already a question mark for us, we were already going to have to find a young QB of the future.
rufio - March 13, 2010
I prefer going through the draft too. I hope that Delhomme was signed to teach the ropes to the new QB. He’s got a wealth of experience anyway.
But why bring in Wallace then?
What happens to Ratliff and Quinn? Like I said, a lot of questions.
skipkirk - March 13, 2010
That’s fair. I think Wallace was brought in because he knows Holmgren’s system, is comfortable being a backup, and will be a good backup for us. He also solidifies our QB situation; this way we don’t need to draft a guy, we don’t really need to trade anyone.
If the right guy comes along, or the right trade is proposed for BQ, we can pull the trigger. Otherwise, I think we put ourselves in to better position to be drafting BPA.
I would cut Ratliff before I cut Quinn or delt him for less than he was worth. I think Quinn stays until we find a trade partner or his contract expires.
rufio - March 13, 2010
delhomme had a terrible playoff game and a bad year. this doesnt necessarily mean a decline, it might, but we wont know till this season
rockybrown - March 13, 2010
If it was a singular game, I wouldn’t be bitching. But Delhomme has followed up a record setting horrible playoff game with a horrendous season in which his team paid him 12 million dollars to go away.
Bernie19Kosar - March 13, 2010
because they had a young quarterback they wanted to go to. like i said, I can’t defend Delhomme’s terrible year, but it was just one season, every other year he’s been much better.
notthatnoise - March 13, 2010
You don’t pay 12 million dollars because Matt Moore.
Plus they could have just paid him to be a back-up, instead the Panthers didn’t even want to risk a chance of Delhomme playing for them again.
Bernie19Kosar - March 13, 2010
He is a 36 YO QB that has 25 INT’s in his last 12 games. His career numbers may be nice, but his current trend is downwards, big time. Since the playoffs of ‘08 he has been a turnover machine even in a running offense like the Panthers. Go back and look at his game log from ’09. He played well in one game (week 10 against Atlanta and their 28th rated pass defense and even that wasn’t earth shattering (15-24 for 195 yards 2 TD’s)). Other than that, he was his usual garbage self.
Add in the fact that he was surrounded with better talent that what he has here in Cleveland, why would anyone expect him to be better? Because of Mike Holmgren? He may be good, but Delhomme needs Jesus like help to even be considered starter quality. Did I mention he is 36?
Bernie19Kosar - March 13, 2010
You can complain all you want about his one bad year last year. here are his stats from the year before that:
59.4% completions, 3,288 yds, 7.9 YPA, 15 TDs, 12 INTs, 84.7 rating.
tell me you wouldn’t take that in a heartbeat.
last year is the aberration in his career, not a trend.
notthatnoise - March 13, 2010
unless you’re trying to tell me going from 35 to 36 made him go from being an above average qb to worse than brady quinn.
notthatnoise - March 13, 2010
No, I would say it is lack of skill.
Bernie19Kosar - March 13, 2010
You know who else was really good two seasons ago? Derek Anderson.
If we start paying and acquiring players of past performances we will quickly become the Raiders.
Show me one QB who had a season this poor, this late in his career, that actually put together a decent season afterwards.
I am sure there are tons of 36 YO QB’s that have 59.4 rating seasons with -10 turnover ratio and came back to be productive QB’s.
Bernie19Kosar - March 13, 2010
That’s not really fair. Anderson has one really good season; Delhomme has had quite a few good seasons.
Buckeye Brad - March 13, 2010
I am not going to say it is an aberration. I would not call a drop in production at that age an aberration…sometimes guys just don’t have it anymore. Look at his stats the previous season too (2007). weren’t they better than ’08?
Now I am not completely confident about signing delhomme but it is idiotic to say a guy having a bad season near the end of his career is an aberration. Was LT’s season in 2009 an aberration or a trend downward?
Now LT didn’t have a great 2008, but it wasn’t dreadful…it was decent…same with delhomme in 2008. Now people believe that LT is done b/c of that season…why isn’t delhomme done? because he was better in his prime???
bross09 - March 14, 2010
there are a lot of harsh reactions here, but i dont happen to find this shocking nor do i think it is that big a deal for the upcoming season. what would shock the hell out of me and piss me off is if at the nfl draft on prime time tv this year i hear “with the #7 pick, the cleveland browns select Jimmie Clausen, QB, Notre Dame” i will flip out.
rockybrown - March 13, 2010
Smokescreen, and we draft a QB in the first round?
I still don’t see Delhomme as anything but a stopgap. Quinn could have filled that role for us, played another two seasons and been mediocre. This move really only makes sense if we pick up a young guy for Delhomme to mentor, and soon.
I trust our trio to have a plan. And we weren’t getting much worse than our QB play last year, so who cares? We are clearly not in “win now” mode. If anything, we are in “be a respectable team now” mode.
rufio - March 13, 2010
But isn’t that we went and got Seneca?
Bernie19Kosar - March 13, 2010
That’s kind of what I thought, which made sense. Do you really need two guys in that role?
RelapsingDawgCatcher - March 13, 2010
Maybe one of the two moves to safety?
golanbatrac - March 13, 2010
Then what would we do with our WR’s?
Bernie19Kosar - March 13, 2010
I would consider Delhomme, a guy who has played in the Super Bowl and who went to multiple NFC championship games a better mentor.
I think that Wallace has a better grasp of Holmgren’s offensive principles.
And while unlikely, it is conceivable that Delhomme could get back to being an above average QB in the league, whereas I don’t think Wallace has been or will ever be. Delhomme is a better smokescreen that says “we don’t need to draft anyone, we have our guy”.
I dunno, I am just trying to make sense out of this too.
rufio - March 14, 2010
According to MKC, Delhomme spent three years learning Holmgren’s system while in NO. Mike McCarthy was his QB coach.
Knowing that made me feel a little better.
golanbatrac - March 14, 2010
I think the Seneca move was for a back-up plan and his experience under Holmgren.
Villeslgr - March 14, 2010
Even Hitler is fed up with Jake
Hilarious
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFuXHnFnqCg
maletvette - March 13, 2010
is the site looking all messed up for anyone else?
notthatnoise - March 13, 2010
Is the layout of the site really messed up right now for anyone else?
emily522 - March 13, 2010
I don’t see it, please elaborate so I can look into it. Tell me your browser and what the issue is.
Chris Pokorny - March 13, 2010
I posted an article, I really hope I didn’t screw everything up again.
Bernie19Kosar - March 13, 2010
Here’s a couple of screenshots:
http://picasaweb.google.com/golanbatrac/Dbn#5448303023642430930
http://picasaweb.google.com/golanbatrac/Dbn#5448303025052322066
Linux – Firefox 3.5
golanbatrac - March 13, 2010
Yeah, it was like that. I turned my computer off and fifteen minutes later I turned it back on. Now it’s back to normal.
I have Firefox as well.
emily522 - March 13, 2010
I’m on 3.6 and I’m seeing it all messed up. There are color distortions and I’m missing certain shapes such as thumbs up and the characters in front of reply, actions and such.
SpecialBrownie - March 13, 2010
these are what mine looked like and I’m on the newest version of Chrome
notthatnoise - March 13, 2010
This is more or less how mine looks. Firefox 3.6, MacOs Snow Leopard.
rufio - March 13, 2010
Use google chrome. my 3.6 was messed up today so i switched over and it works fine.
jaws. - March 13, 2010
Chrome blows.
SpecialBrownie - March 13, 2010
I have had google chrome for a backup for awhile. I always use firefox but I’ve never found anything I didn’t like about chrome.
jaws. - March 13, 2010
You wouldn’t if you don’t do HTML heavy work such as me and Golan.
SpecialBrownie - March 13, 2010
Alas, have to concur on the Chrome blowage. As I told someone not long ago complaining about site functionality under Chrome, I’m happy to support alternate browsers, but there are limits….
RelapsingDawgCatcher - March 13, 2010
I use the same thing and it looks fine to me.
Bernie19Kosar - March 13, 2010
3.6 working fine now. Weird. I blame Bernie.
rufio - March 14, 2010
That guy’s a douche.
Bernie19Kosar - March 14, 2010
Completely agree.
Buckeye Brad - March 14, 2010
I don’t think it was Bernie’s article, since all the SB blogs are messed up for me. I hope they fix it soon but using Chrome isn’t that much of an inconvenience so it’s whatever.
emily522 - March 14, 2010
Have you restarted your comp? It worked for me.
Brownie's Year - March 14, 2010
You underestimate my ability to eff things up.
Bernie19Kosar - March 14, 2010
If enough HTML code was destroyed it could, in theory, spread throughout SBN, much like it does in DBN. You could have, quite possibly, effed up the SBN server.
Bravo, that takes some kahones.
SpecialBrownie - March 14, 2010
Rec.
emily522 - March 14, 2010
I was using firefox 3.6 I believe but it maight have been 3.5 and my page looked exactly like Golan’s, downloaded chrome and it comes up just fine.
North Coast Flea - March 14, 2010
i hit refresh (F5) and its fine. im using google chrome ( the best browser btw)
rockybrown - March 13, 2010
Looks fine in Chrome (not the best bowser btw). Still broken in Firefox.
golanbatrac - March 13, 2010
what is your browser recommendation?
rockybrown - March 13, 2010
Firefox, until Chrome gets a thorough script blocking plug-in like no-script.
golanbatrac - March 13, 2010
Yeah, firefox is top notch, and I’m still missing characters after refreshing, also, front page fanshots come in rectangular, not rounded off and the box that tells me of new comments live thread is white, not black
SpecialBrownie - March 13, 2010
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