Since the start of free agency, "Around the Pound" was shelved for awhile so that some of the transactions of free agency could have their own dedicated topic. Now that things have slowed down a tiny bit, it's time to bring the feature back and get caught up on some of the loose ends we need to cover.
There's a full plate on tonight's agenda, including the Browns' revamped tight end situation, Mike Holmgren commenting on the state of our quarterbacks, where some of our former free agents have ended up, and more.

After eight seasons with the Cleveland Browns, veteran TE Steve Heiden won't be back for a ninth one. Heiden was released today, and I really can't imagine many other teams being interested in signing a 33 year old tight end who has battled through injuries the past two seasons. Heiden was one of the longest-tenured member of the Browns, and I think the fans always appreciated him. Even last year, there were times when we were wishing Heiden would see passes go his way as opposed to other receivers on the team.

Taking Heiden's spot on the roster is the team's newest free agent signing -- TE Ben Watson. Watson is certainly an upgrade over any of the tight ends we had on our roster last season. He's not necessarily past his prime either, as he leaves the Patriots after six seasons. Watson has proven before that he can be a 50-catch, 600-yard type of receiver if necessary. He's not a great pass-catching tight end, but if you compare him with Robert Royal, I'm sure Watson would look great in comparison. Better than the fact he can catch is that he's a solid blocker, which is probably as close to a "complete" tight end we could've acquired through free agency.
Right now, we have four tight ends on our roster -- Watson, Evan Moore, Royal, and Michael Gaines. I don't see Royal and Gaines sticking around come the regular season, but both of them could make it to training camp I suppose. In the end, I'm ready to move past Royal. Having Watson and Moore on the field for double tight end sets works for me. Watson's contract was for 3 years and a reported $12 million, including $6.35 million guaranteed.
Quarterback Jake Delhomme left Cleveland without a contract, according to the Plain Dealer. Holmgren still hasn't closed the door on signing Delhomme though. Delhomme might be turned off by the fact that Holmgren would not commit to anyone as a starter in an effort to lure someone to Cleveland.
With respect to Brady Quinn...
Browns President Mike Holmgren said that trade talk for Brady Quinn is "a little premature," but he indicated that Quinn's future with the club depends on acquiring another quarterback.
"It all depends on what else we can do," Holmgren told The Plain Dealer on Friday. "We are continuing to look for and evaluate quarterbacks."
No matter who the Browns bring aboard, Holmgren is still firm on the fact that a starting quarterback will be named before training camp. As to why he's exploring so many options at quarterback?
"But I'm going to kind of set the table, and then it's really Coach (Eric) Mangini's call."
Since being released by the Raiders, RB Justin Fargas has been making the rounds. After being a pretty good backup for many years with the Raiders, there's no reason he wouldn't be a solid backup or spot-start running back for other teams. He's already met with the Chiefs, Eagles and the Browns, but has yet to sign a contract. If the Browns end up reaching a deal with Fargas, it would seem to follow the type of signings Holmgren has made thus far -- no one who will break the bank, but players who were good role players for other teams.
The Arizona Cardinals signed OL Rex Hadnot to a three-year deal worth about $9 million. S Brodney Pool signed a one-year deal with the New York Jets worth $1.3 million. Hadnot will probably have the opportunity to start in Arizona with Pool competing for a roster spot on the Jets' talented defense.
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Kimble_79 - March 12, 2010
Fargas would definitly be a good pickup.
Does anyone know about any other free agents we are considering.
TheRealSlimShady - March 12, 2010
Besides Fargas and Delhomme, I don’t think anyone else has been reported as having visited or being considered.
Chris Pokorny - March 12, 2010
Fargas will not be in a Browns uniform, a league source has already confirmed it and I believe it is because he failed his physical upon leaving the Raiders.
theW0LF - March 13, 2010
Yea, I saw the same from MKC on Twitter, but didn’t mention anything because it came from MKC.
Roger Dorn - March 13, 2010
One of my main takeaways from this, which we already knew I guess, is that Holmgren is not at all tight-lipped like Mangini was. And while Mangini was so secretive, in my opinion to a fault, Holmgren might be sharing TOO much info? I mean everyone knew if Delhomme signed Quinn was probably out, but did he really have to come out and say it? I feel like this just makes Quinn’s low trade value even worse
sww2109 - March 12, 2010 via mobile
Still don’t buy this. I don’t think anyone who would be calling for Quinn either considers or things Holmgren considers Delhomme starting material at this stage. He’s just a replacement level guy – a solid backup.
danvail - March 13, 2010
Fargas would be a nice change of pace to shoulder some of the load from Harrison.
Simmsinns - March 12, 2010
As much as I would like Fargas to be our backup, I don’t think it’s going to happen. The signing would have occurred by now. But there is still hope!
Diggin’ the Watson signing. And since we play the Pats this year, Watson will make them pay for releasing him.
My Off-Beat Note –
"The Pacific" starts this SUNDAY!!!! I’ve been waiting years for this and it’s finally here!!
Brownie's Year - March 12, 2010
I wouldn’t want Fargas. Specifically for his last name, it’s weird. It doesn’t sound pro – like.
/sarc.
SpecialBrownie - March 13, 2010
It sounds more pro than Anderson. :o
Brownie's Year - March 13, 2010
reply fail
TheRealSlimShady - March 13, 2010
More like a drunk fail.
Brownie's Year - March 13, 2010
Those are always fun.
Roger Dorn - March 13, 2010
Yeah, but they’re embarrassing though.
Brownie's Year - March 14, 2010
Pro

Villeslgr - March 14, 2010
I like everything we have done, and everything that we haven’t done. I’m not crazy about signing any of the free agent running backs, even a guy like Fargas.
Since RBs always fall in the draft, it is pretty easy to envision the Browns getting Hardesty, Gerhart, Ben Tate, or LeGarrotte Blount in the 3rd or later. No need to look at veterans who have a ton of miles on their bodies already.
I’d say that Holmgren quote is as good as “yep were looking to move him. I’ll talk to you when Buffalo calls back with a counteroffer.”
jaws. - March 13, 2010
There is a good chance Fargas is better than all of those guys.
TheRealSlimShady - March 13, 2010
Fargas is no joke. I think we should get him.
Brownie's Year - March 13, 2010
but lets not overpay him.
bross09 - March 13, 2010
His salary is Oakland Hotdogs.
Brownie's Year - March 14, 2010
that works…
bross09 - March 14, 2010
Heiden. He was a solid, solid player.
‘Thank you’ from Browns fans. One of the few I was always happy to have, year in and year out.
Good luck
johnnyphoenix - March 13, 2010
heiden was always one of my favorites. he just seemed to play hard and never really did anything boneheaded, like some of our other TEs…
seriously, i’ll miss having steve heiden to cheer for each week.
Dawg Nuts - March 13, 2010
+1
danvail - March 13, 2010
+1
emily522 - March 13, 2010
BTW, Moore and Watson.
GREAT TE combo.
johnnyphoenix - March 13, 2010
Moore will tell you Wat’s “Up” Son!
Okay that was bad.
skipkirk - March 13, 2010
I thought Evan Moore was a sweet pickup, why water it down?
Robert Royal was made to fail here, and Gaines is just as hard as Watson is but got no chance, so since you didn´t tap into them, that´s more honest, you might do well to trade them.
If we do get Jake Delhomme, despite my happiness about Quinn and Anderson no longer sitting on our mutual nerve, don´t get me wrong but that´s three backups.
I know you´ll laugh at me again for the mere mention of fullbacks, but:
Brad Hoover, Panthers
Kyle Eckel, Saints
John Kuhn, Packers
Dan Kreider, Cardinals
and Byron Storer, Bucs, are available!
I´ve been told the Browns have a limit for guys with the designation Fullback, set at two.
Shop the designation RB and ATH at them, and situate them quaintly on our roster, why don´t you?
mooncamping - March 13, 2010
Those FB´s are all rumblers, they´re kind of rare. Make them work in the cafeteria for a million bucks each for a while, for all I care. But please, snatch up a couple.
mooncamping - March 13, 2010
I don’t understand why you want to sign a backup fullback. We have lawrence vickers who imo is a pretty good fullback. He can run when we need him to and he is also a very good blocker for our rb to follow up the middle.
nurse13 - March 13, 2010
Because he wants Vickers to get 350 carries, if I’m not mistaken.
danvail - March 13, 2010
Korey Hall from the pack is available, Kuhn is signed for like 2 yrs.
tkiller314 - March 13, 2010
Plus FBs get receiving TDs, sacks, and INTs.
Brownie's Year - March 13, 2010
only if Furrey plays some fullback for us next year
jaws. - March 13, 2010
CHAMPIONSHIP
Brownie's Year - March 13, 2010
You are mistaken. Lawrence Vickers is a decent blocking back, but he fails to carry the rock in excess of the prerequisite 3 yards.
I guess you´re not familiar with my work. I had proposed what I termed “Ground Hounds”. It´s a contingency of four fullback proportioned and skilled running backs with the ability to carry the rock on dives be it at fullback or halfback in an I-formation, in a steady rotation possibly. This is a novel idea I had offered onto the Browns.
My theory stems from my playing days, that fullbacks wear down the defense, lotting you more yardage eventually. They don´t start looking like stars, until they´ve affected the defense. Something like that is intended here.
The defense will be gleeful when we pass, for a breath of fresh air. That´s how you do it.
mooncamping - March 14, 2010
You’re right moon. Vickers had ZERO carries last year and that’s unacceptable.
Brownie's Year - March 14, 2010
Were you a massive Mike Alstott fan?
Roger Dorn - March 14, 2010
He owns both Home and Away jerseys to match his shoes.
Brownie's Year - March 14, 2010
What do you think of Toby Gerhardt?
gahnki - March 14, 2010
I’ve seen a couple moks with us taking him in the 4th. Being a Cardnal fan, I wouldn’t mind.
Brownie's Year - March 14, 2010
I commend him for a job well done in college, for a big guy.
I think guys like Brock Bolen, Brian Leonard and Owen Schmitt could bag him in terms of speed, instinct and aggression though.
mooncamping - March 15, 2010
Didn’t make it far enough down the post before I posted my comment below. I figured you would like him though.
Kimble_79 - March 16, 2010
Moon, I would have to think you really like another one of my WVU graduates, Owen Schmidt. Only guy I know that bangs his helmet of his head and bloodies himself up. Plus, the boy has some wheels on him when he gets the rock
Kimble_79 - March 16, 2010
Well, we´d have to talk to him about that. He really hurt his image.
I know you have to get motivated to play runningback, but that´s excessive.
mooncamping - March 16, 2010
I consider this a dishonor towards Vickers, he is our fullback, we don’t need any more.
North Coast Flea - March 13, 2010
He´s alright as a blocking fullback. For a potent I-formation, you need a fullback that can spell the halfback in terms of carries for dives, when not lead blocking.
Key words:
-lead blocking
-dives
mooncamping - March 14, 2010
Since ATP is a off topic session for us…..
I had to update the info on my dog’s Browns dog tag. It finally came yesterday. I’ve ordered from the team’s site before, but this is the first time they threw a pack of cards in it. A pack of three breast cancer awareness cards. Consisting of Quinn, Lewis, and Edwards.
Haha WTF.
Brownie's Year - March 13, 2010
Heh. They should have replaced BQ with DA, then they could have sold it as the All Whiny Team.
RelapsingDawgCatcher - March 13, 2010
I loved Steve Heiden, was a great part of this franchise and I’m sad to see him go. But Watson should serve as a better mentor to Moore in terms of pass catching and overall becoming a better TE
kminnich43 - March 13, 2010
Chris, the bigger draw in Iron Man 2 is War Machine, not Mickey Rouke’s portrayal of Whiplash.
I do like Rouke as an actor, but Whiplash? They should have made Rouke the Crimson Dynamo instead.
I too love Downey Jr. in the first movie and as an actor, but the unveiling of War Machine is bigger than anything else in Iron Man 2 in my opinion.
theW0LF - March 13, 2010
I thought the original Iron Man was overrated. It was ok, but nothing special.
TheRealSlimShady - March 13, 2010
The first Iron Man was the best Marvel superhero movie made so far.
With X2 coming in a close second.
theW0LF - March 13, 2010
Origins: Wolverine was way better than any of the x-men trilogy.
North Coast Flea - March 13, 2010
seriously??
bross09 - March 13, 2010
Yes, especially the atrocious 1st and last movies. I would have to agree with WOLF that the second was the best of the three.
North Coast Flea - March 13, 2010
I didn’t think any of them were great but Origins was one of my lesser favorites…
bross09 - March 14, 2010
None of those movies were really any good.
Chief Wahoo - March 13, 2010
I think Reynolds played a good Deadpool up until they
sowed his mouth shut, gave hip Cyclops’ eye beams, and made his swords come out of his wristscompletely screwed up the character. Also I think the guy who played Sabertooth was way better than the guy from the trilogy.North Coast Flea - March 14, 2010
him not hip, how the hell did I put a p in there?
North Coast Flea - March 14, 2010
Spiderman 2 was far and away my favorite Marvel movie. Fantastic directing and Alfred Molina was great.
jaws. - March 13, 2010
I liked X2 better than Iron Man, but I’m not naming a ‘best Marvel movie’ until they make Werewolf by Night and Iron Fist.
golanbatrac - March 13, 2010
I am with you actually, but I don’t really like Super hero movies (except Batman.)
Roger Dorn - March 13, 2010
Iron Man is one of the best Super hero movies to date and I cannot wait to see War Machine.
I love seeing new Iron Man suits, it’s pretty sweet.
SpecialBrownie - March 13, 2010
You’re my boy and all, butt Iron Man is lame.
Brownie's Year - March 13, 2010
Not cool dude, I thought you were my running mate.
Sad, sad day on DBN
SpecialBrownie - March 13, 2010
I hate to see DBN breakups.
Roger Dorn - March 13, 2010
Thought they were going to make it.
Bernie19Kosar - March 13, 2010
They definitely had a lot going for them.
Roger Dorn - March 13, 2010
Way too far.
Wow.
SpecialBrownie - March 13, 2010
WTF SB? Now people think we’re gay. Not that there’s anything wrong with that.
Brownie's Year - March 13, 2010
DBN – Full-time Browns Blog, Part-time Matchmaker?
skipkirk - March 13, 2010
Screw you guys. I didn’t sign up for this.
Brownie's Year - March 13, 2010
Heh.
golanbatrac - March 13, 2010
Homophobic much?
North Coast Flea - March 13, 2010
Screw you guys
Brownie's Year - March 13, 2010
Hold up. I thought you were still joking. No one thinks you’re gay.
golanbatrac - March 13, 2010
I am still joking.
Brownie's Year - March 13, 2010
Okay. Just so you don’t go out and commit any hate crimes on my account.
golanbatrac - March 13, 2010
That would be banishment worthy.
Roger Dorn - March 13, 2010
but only for like a month
notthatnoise - March 13, 2010
I can see the headline now….
Brownie's Year - March 14, 2010
Recced for police academy referances.
North Coast Flea - March 14, 2010
Walterfootball says this constantly. And this is hilarious.
emily522 - March 13, 2010
You don’t recognize the famous Seinfeld quote? Wait… forgot who I was talking to.
Brownie's Year - March 14, 2010
Oh, I didn’t recognize it. Well that explains it, then.
emily522 - March 14, 2010
Here
Brownie's Year - March 14, 2010
That was pretty funny, but I’d take an episode of The Office over Seinfeld. Part of a different generation, I guess.
emily522 - March 14, 2010
Yea, I would imagine it has to do with the age differences. Seinfeld had a much longer and better peak, whereas in my opinion prime of the Office was really only 2 seasons, and has since remained slightly funny since.
Roger Dorn - March 14, 2010
This.
SpecialBrownie - March 14, 2010
Yep. Seinfeld only really fell off in the last season — everything up to that point was fantastic. The Office isn’t nearly as funny now as it was in the first 2-3 years.
Buckeye Brad - March 15, 2010
Agreed, but I still think it’s hilarious.
emily522 - March 15, 2010
I wouldn’t kow, I don’t watch the office for the same reason I never watched The 40 Year Old Virgin: Steve Carell.
North Coast Flea - March 15, 2010
ScarJo is a big draw for me.
Roger Dorn - March 13, 2010
I was never exposed to Iron Man really before the movie, hence my apparent lack of enthusiasm for the “bigger reveal.”
Chris Pokorny - March 13, 2010
Steve, I’m gonna miss you. Heiden has been one of my favorite players for awhile, and alot of that has to do with the fact that he was around for so long. I really wish I could have seen him retire as a Brown. Best of luck to you in the future.
Looks like I only have a couple favorite players left, Harrison and Dawson.
Mike_Stevens - March 13, 2010
Oh god I hope Dawson isn’t next…..
North Coast Flea - March 13, 2010
I sometimes forget he’s even on this team still.
gahnki - March 13, 2010
Rec
SpecialBrownie - March 13, 2010
He may not have the strongest leg but he’s really accurate inside of 50 yds. At one point he was the 3rd most accurate kicker of all time. Also he’s pretty high up on our all time points scored list.
North Coast Flea - March 14, 2010
How can you forget? Him and Zasty were our best players last year.
Brownie's Year - March 14, 2010
Other than Cribbs
North Coast Flea - March 14, 2010
Oh yeah…don’t forget pontbriand..according to grossi he had more of an impact than Wright…
bross09 - March 14, 2010
Haha is this exaggeration? I don’t read Grossi.
skipkirk - March 15, 2010
no. He had a list of the best players of the year, and grossi had pontbriand ranked higher than wright.
He in fact, ranked our punter and kicker ahead of wright even though both missed over half the season…
http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2010/01/josh_cribbs_joe_thomas_were_th.html
He ranked wimbley as #4 (higher than Jerome Harrison, Vickers, Matt Roth, or Mack) even though wimbley fell off the last half of the season. It was obviously completely arbitrary (or stupidity)
Other examples:
Corey williams over abram elam, BQ, over Elam
Brian Shafering (who) over Hadnot
grossi reminds me a lot at times of mooncamping. the only way you can explain it is a bizarre way of looking at things, or picking people completely arbitrarily.
bross09 - March 15, 2010
Pictures on a dart board my man.
North Coast Flea - March 15, 2010
who is pictures on a dart board?
bross09 - March 15, 2010
He means that Grossi probably picked his list by throwing darts at pictures of Browns players.
Buckeye Brad - March 15, 2010
oh. I was thinking about in those movies where the villain has a picture of his nemesis on a dart board and uses it for target practice…my mind is too goofy.
bross09 - March 15, 2010
I couldn’t agree more.
Buckeye Brad - March 16, 2010
But what is life without a lil comic relief? Boring as hell is what it would be.
North Coast Flea - March 16, 2010
yes. that is what I try to provide the world.
bross09 - March 16, 2010
yes. sometimes the ideas I have are bizarre and out there…usually my most sane ideas are in sports whereas in other areas, my imagination runs wild.
Right now I am planning to write a melodramatic musical in my head staring christian bale and Hugh Jackman…
bross09 - March 16, 2010
have you been hanging out with moon?
Kimble_79 - March 16, 2010
lol…
my ideas of football are pretty grounded…
the idea with the musical is that Christian bale and Jackman both have starred in movies together, work well together, are good actors, and have great singing voices… justg one of the ideas I have had…
bross09 - March 16, 2010
other than the fact that Bale would cuss out every light technician, sound technician, and any other technician!! If you could keep him in check then I’m with ya
Kimble_79 - March 17, 2010
I knew Jackman could sing, didn’t know Bale could.
North Coast Flea - March 17, 2010
He’s decent enough in I’m Not There.
golanbatrac - March 17, 2010
Don’t forget Billy “30 yard” Cundiff!
skipkirk - March 15, 2010
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