Credit where credit is due – this was recently pointed to by NTN here, which is why it was fresh on my mind. I’ve always loved it but tend forget it in my hour of need….
I don’t follow Clemson basketball that much. I will next year, of course. I think he’s a good coach though and the fans really seem to like what he’s doing.
I started watching in the first when we were up by 10. Then I came back with 4 minutes left, and I’m glad I did.
Next year, transferring loyalties from OSU to Clemson’s going to be tough. They lost to NC State and I didn’t even blink an eye. I guess I’ll probably care more once I go to the games and such. (I’m still rooting for OSU but I’m going to keep that on the down low at first haha).
that would be a good idea….I once took a date to a WVU vs PITT football game. Only talked to her for about 2wks, but didn’t find out until I got to Morgantown that she was originally from Pittsburgh and cheered for them the entire game. I curled into the fetal position and pretended not to know her
Holmgren is going to invite every loser possible to visit. This will scare everyone so much that when he brings in the guy he really wants we will be so thankful we will meekly accept whoever it is.
Count me in favor of this. In fact, have him start. I need my weekly fix of YoYo Chucklebum saying, “Jake ‘Moonlight Come and I Want to’ Delhomme… Whoooop!!!”
Ugh. Another used up QB? Maybe we should invite Trent Dilfer or Jeff Garcia back to interview.
Can we please get a guy with some upside? I’d rather start Brady Quinn, Troy Smith, or a rookie. Guys like Delhomme already have film that proves they suck.
If we sign Delhomme it will lead me to believe three things
1. We are going to draft a young QB for him to mentor
2. We are going to run the ball 40 + times per game next year
3. Quinn is probably gone
Would going with Quinn as the starter and Wallace as the backup be so bad? I mean, barring a miracle we aren’t winning more than 8 games next year. If in 2010 Quinn can’t produce despite what I think will be a very solid run game then we cut our losses.
I agree, I love the kid, but I think Holmgren and company are not liking what they have seen on Quinn. Would have been a great story for us, the kid that loved the Browns growing to be a star for us. I don’t think he will be here much longer though.
Yes, but when the Browns are ready to compete, McNabb will be ready to retire. Out of your second round pick, you need to obtain long-term value. McNabb simply isn’t long-term value.
We need a good QB, and history shows that good QB’s only come in the first two rounds (with a few exceptions, of course). We don’t need some project in the 4th or 5th round who will be just as crappy as the guys we have now.
I agree, we need a good QB more than anything else on this team. A good QB can elevate the play of all others around him. I’m not sure whether Lefevour will be it or not. I’ve said that I get the feeling Holmgren likes the kid, but who knows. I would LOVE to see us move up and grab Bradford. I’m not on the Clausen or McCoy bandwagon.
And I agree with you, about Clausen and McCoy. I think Colt was the product of a good system and had a good set of WRs with him. Now I’m not taking anything away from him, but I don’t feel he’ll come into the league and make an impact right away.
I think Clausen is very high on himself, coming from Notre Dame, and all. You know, the Yankees of college football if you will, cause they’re just SO great at what they do.
He just seems to fit Holmgrens style…later round pick with pretty good intangibles, strong arm, ect…someone he can groom to his liking. It just seems like it would be a good option for Holmgren.
Well of all the QBs other than Bradford and Clausen, I think LeFevour has the most going for him. He has a nice over-the-top release that can make him play even taller than 6-3. His arm strength isn’t a huge weakness like say Colt McCoy, and his production has been fantastic at CMU that last two years.
His drawback is having played in a spread offense against MAC competition. Also he disappointed a lot of scouts by not throwing at the combine. He could be a good guy but a lot of teams might like him later in the draft.
I disagree. I watched him play. I also watched pike play and have seen tape on some of the other QBs.
Lefevour I believe has enough arm strength to make all the necessary throws in the NFL. he doesn’t have anything special, but his arm strength is just strong enough to not majorly hinder him at the next level. it is signficantly better than pike’ and better than McCoy’s
Well then who do you want in this draft? We probably can’t get Bradford or Clausen. If we could I don’t think I would take Clausen anyway. I don’t think anybody here wants McCoy or Tebow in the second.. Those are the only qbs who will go in the first or second rounds (most likely).
Getting a veteran who is mediocre might lead us to an 8-8 team or something like that next year but we wouldn’t make the playoffs and if we did we would get smashed in the first round because our QB play is adequate at best.
We might as well take a chance on a youthful guy with some physical tools and upside. If we hit on our choice (Quinn, LeFevour or Troy Smith are basically the best / only options) we can win some games and have found a qb who can be here for a few years. If we completely miss and the season crumbles, well we will be higher in the draft next year and much more able to acquire one of these “good” first round qbs you want.
I don’t think he’s saying that we have to draft one this year. Isn’t it possible that we are going to do the best with what we can and hope that next year’s crop of QBs turns out better?
I’m with BB in saying no thanks to LeFevour. There’s going to be great value in the middle rounds this year, and IMO picking LeFevour will be a wasted pick. The last thing that this organization needs is more wasted picks.
We don’t have to draft a QB this year. If we find a veteran who can start for a couple more years then we can worry about drafting our QB of the future down the road.
I was persuaded by B19K’s article and other times I"ve read about the rarity of good QBs from later in the draft.
But regardless of what we think should happen, Holmgren has a history of stockpiling QBs from trades, free agency, and late in the draft. Guys like LeFevour seem like a real possibility.
But regardless of what we think should happen, Holmgren has a history of stockpiling QBs from trades, free agency, and late in the draft. Guys like LeFevour seem like a real possibility.
Yes, but that doesn’t mean we need to acquire them as starters.
If a QB is far and away the best player on the board in the 4th, why not? Virtually no risk with a bigtime potential (albeit very unlikely) reward.
If there is someone in the 4th who could help the team and is a lot better at what he does than a QB, then we should take that guy.
It isn’t like we are the Vikings with a dominant team that only needs a QB to be a SB contender. We can afford to build the rest of the team and wait for a QB. If that means that Quinn or some late-round guy develops or if we get a 1st round QB in next year or the year after’s draft, then we can wait. The only star player we have that’s aging is Rogers.
exactly. Might as well take a stab at a guy in the middle rounds, or if quinn or smith or some other young guy looks like he has some upside. If our experiment fails, then our draft picks will be higher next year anyway… giving us a better chance at landing whoever is the Early first round qb next year.
You guys misunderstand. I want to find a good qb for the browns. I don’t hear any suggestions of who you guys like for the job. Somebody has to play it this year, and it isn’t going to be Sam Bradford.
Any qb in the draft from Clausen on down is probably a possibility. So are veterans who are currently in the league. Probably the only quarterbacks that are available with any measure of youth at all are Quinn or Smith.
I was just making the argument that I feel it would be better for the team to give a younger guy the shot, as you aren’t going to win a super bowl with a guy like Jake Delhomme anyway. So we might as well take a chance on a mid round guy or Quinn this year and see if we can find our guy that way. If the experiment fails miserably and we go 5-11 again… well at least we will be high in the draft next year and have a decent shot at whatever QBs are available next April.
I’m all ears for your guys’ suggestions who you think looks good on film that the Browns could acquire this offseason. LeFevour clearly looks like the best mid round guy, due to his over the top release and good toughness.
There is no sense in drafting someone in the later rounds and thrusting him in to action or getting bad value in a trade for a young QB with upside.
We can go 5-11 again and get Locker or someone else next year, but we need to improve our overall roster.
We need to find a young, talented QB at some point and whenever we find that guy, we will probably get a 4-6 win boost in our record. But if that is this offseason, next, or the one after, it won’t matter. Our roster is young and full of holes.
I agree. I’d rather not spend a third or 4th round pick on a QB. If we want to start brady, great. If we can trade brady for good value, great.
If we trade brady, sign Ravens-QB-who-must-not-be-named. It’s not like this team will have anything to lose this year. (QB play cannot get any worse than it was last year)
I really do not want Troy Smith, anyone who went to Ohio State, anyone from northern Ohio, anyone from anywhere in or around Cleveland, anyone who’s father or mother or great aunt went to OSU, or anyone who is a lifelong fan of the Browns to be in the mix at quarterback. If Quinn gets it done, then great, but if not, I think it’d be in our best interest to look to someone with no ties to the area, the organization or the Buckeyes. Someone from way the hell out west who’s never been to Ohio and who can’t even find Ohio on a map. That’s our guy. Someone who will sink or swim on his own merits and who won’t stoke the delusions of the long suffering and insufferable homers who make up a significant portion of our fan base.
I thought it was clear that I was joking, by the way. I don’t think Pryor is going to come out after this season anyways. He still has too much to work on.
I have watched Terrelle Pryors every single home game as a Buckeye in person. He will never be a good quarterback in the NFL. He has terrible mechanics and I’m not sure he can digest an NFL playbook.
Except by Smith’s senior year he had built himself into a pretty decent pro prospect. His release is a thousand times better than Pryor’s ever will be.
Most importantly, in terms of work ethic and intangibles the two players are not in the same category at all. Troy Smith is on a different planet than Pryor in terms of work ethic in the film room and in team meetings. Pryor frankly isn’t as intelligent on the field and hasn’t displayed the same kind of fantastic leadership qualities that I felt Smith had.
I’ve met them both in person and I think Pryor would really have to change his attitude to even think about playing QB in the NFL
jaws, once again you don’t know what you’re talking about. I watched Troy Smith in the Spring Game when he was a sophomore and he was just as bad as Pryor. He made great improvements by the time he was a senior and there is no reason that Pryor can’t do the same. Pryor is better now than Smith was at this point in his career.
Once again, please stop talking out of your rear end.
They are totally different players. I don’t know why you are down my throat about this. Terrelle Pryor might have a little bit better results on the field but his game as it is right now just wouldn’t translate to the NFL level.
Pryor always has been the more impressive physical form but his release is much worse, his decision making (other than the rose bowl, which it was alright) has been much worse. Worst of all he has an attitude of entitlement that Troy Smith never had.
I’ve seen both players live, talked to them briefly in person. I hear rumblings from people I have class with who are in the weight room with the guys, people covering the games for the paper.
Pryor could work hard and improve by the time he is a senior, the way Troy did, but he has yet to do that, and he has a longer mountain to climb because Troy never had such bad passing mechanics.
Troy Smith might never be a great NFL quarterback, but I could see it happening potentially. I cannot see Terrelle Pryor becoming a solid NFL starter.
As I’ve told you many times before, I cannot stand it when fans makes comments about things they know nothing about — and you do this all the time.
Most importantly, in terms of work ethic and intangibles the two players are not in the same category at all. Troy Smith is on a different planet than Pryor in terms of work ethic in the film room and in team meetings.
You cannot possibly know any of that. I don’t care if you talked to them briefly — that may make you think you know them but you don’t. So don’t make assumptions about people that you know nothing about. Don’t talk about who has a better attitude and work ethic and intangibles and all that crap because you don’t know any of that. You don’t know that Pyror has a worse “sense of entitlement” than Smith had. Stop saying things which you know nothing about.
I know quite a few things about Troy Smith while he was at Ohio State. Some of them are unprintable. He was not the role-model people portray him to be. Not only is jaws wrong on his view of TS, but he is actually supporting the far lazier player.
Plenty of immature, selfish things that made Coach Tressel seriously think of kicking him off the team. Fortunately, he grew up and turned in a great ending season to his career.
I haven’t seen any mention of Jarrett Brown on here from WVU. I personally do NOT want him on the browns, but I’m just curious what you guys think of him as a QB from a non WVU fan perspective.
Has Croyle ever even finished a game without breaking something? No thanks.
I’d love to keep BQ, but it’s not gonna happen. He’s gonna go for a pick somewhere, Seneca’s gonna start, and I hope that Delhomme is nothing more than an older Ken Dorsey. If he actually plays for us I might cry. There’s not a lot if ways to get worse QB play than what we’ve had, but that’s one of them.
i posted the same thing on cleveland.com. lmao!!!! we’re actually gonna be worse at qb if delhomme is actually signed, than we were last year. jake sucks!
Trent Green had a bad injury history too. Every QB who has played behind that KC oline has been injured, Green, Croyle, Thigpen, Huard, Cassel – all of them.
Holmgren knows QBs!!!! and im pretty sure at this point he has one picked out early on in the draft.To start a good team you have to have a QB and anyone but Tebow is a better pick than what weve had lol thats for sure.
this is the only sbnation blog ive been to that is so damn anal about the subject line. then again most of my teams are southern and we tend to take things easy in the south. :)
i think i’ve seen people at FTS use it, though i haven’t been there in a while, and they get a lot of other teams’ fans on their blog, so that could be it.
Yep. I guess I never realized that a large segment of sports fans would hate someone just because he’s popular. Plus, there isn’t a large group of intelligent regular posters built up there yet, like we have at LGT and DBN, who can drive away the idiots and keep the discussions intelligent. Too many times on that site an entire thread will be taken over by trolls, and it makes it very difficult to have a reasonable discussion at times. It’s too bad, but I’ve stopped visiting there as often just because there are so many idiots all over the place that it really detracts from the quality of the site.
yeah I started going there a few months ago and was blown away that there were that many trolls there. I also agree about the lack of intelligent posters there, but while I might understand basketball better than the average fan, I don’t know that i understand it enough to really know what I’m talking about. Same thing with LGT, I know i understand baseball better than the “dolan is cheap! sell the team!” fans, but I don’t have nearly the depth of baseball knowledge that the regulars over there do.
Agreed Delhomme is definitely not a good decision.Ive posted here a handful of times actually, plan on sticking around I live in Cincinnati so cant talk football with none of my friends.LOL
Its not a bad idea to bring a true veteran presence to the team. Veterans are usually better game managers and this team hasn’t had a true veteran with a stable successful background in a long time. And if we draft a rookie he’s good to sit behind.
I got a good Idea, lets go and get guys that were good from 2003 to about 2008. I got a brilliant Idea: Lets build a team from guys who were good a few years ago.
QB: Delhomme
RB: LT
WR: TO and Tory Holt
LT: Orlando Pace
RT: Ryan Tucker
LG: Joe Andruzzi
RG: Larry Allen
C: Lecharles Bentley
DE: Leonard Little
LDE: Kyle VandenBosch
DT: Sam Adams
DT: LaRoi Glover
ROLB: Derrick Brooks
LOLB: Keith Brooking
MLB: Brian Urlacher
CB: Rhonde Barber
CB: Ty Law
FS: Brian Dawkins
SS: John Lynch.
Yeah, 3-4 years ago this team would win a super bowl.
Now, this team would be lucky to win a game.
please don’t say that he was good then and therefore he will be good in 2010. that argument is ludicrous.
He wasn’t joking that we should get him; he was simply responding to NTN’s comment about finding a QB with a stable background by showing that Delhomme fit that description. I don’t think he was arguing that meant he was going to be good next season.
Either way, your response was very harsh in its tone and that wasn’t necessary. He never said to go out an acquire a team of players that was great 5 years ago.
Yeah…maybe the whole thing was unnecessary…I just wanted to see what a team like that would look like and got a little carried away. I agree it was unnecessary. I misunderstood what he meant. he is right that delhomme had a pretty stable background up until this year.
And he’s making it a two day visit. And the Saints fans seem to be excited about the prospect of acquiring Delhomme, so I’d say if NO makes an offer, he’s as good as signed.
hmmm…play for a rebuilding browns team as backup in freezing weather, or play for defending SB champs, in fair weather (minus hurricanes) all year long as a backup in your home state. That would make my choice pretty easy
I don’t see any redeeming qualities to bringing Delhomme in.
gahnki - March 10, 2010
he can throw a lot of interceptions and makes us want to kill ourselves…
bross09 - March 10, 2010
Which we’re at least familiar with already?
RelapsingDawgCatcher - March 10, 2010
Yes…you can look at it in that positive light.
bross09 - March 10, 2010
Exactly. Why not just keep Anderson if we’re going to sign Delhomme.
emily522 - March 10, 2010
9 million dollars.
Roger Dorn - March 10, 2010
True. I did realize that right after I posted.
emily522 - March 10, 2010
Meh. Delhomme = DA. The only difference is the money paid.
skipkirk - March 10, 2010
and the arm strength.
bross09 - March 10, 2010
Fill me in here, who has more?
I will say though that Delhomme couldn’t do jack with Steve Smith. Not expecting miracles to happen with our guys.
skipkirk - March 10, 2010
more arm strength? many. He was never a cannon arm guy. He might have about NFL average arm strength but it is definitely weaker than DA>
bross09 - March 10, 2010
Delhome had some good seasons. DA had 1.
TheRealSlimShady - March 10, 2010
In other news, Romeo Crennel is reunited with Shaun Smith in KC.
gahnki - March 10, 2010
They’re like blood brothers.
skipkirk - March 10, 2010
A wolfpack, if you will.
Andrew Tolliver - March 10, 2010
first there was one … and now there are three
jsneides - March 10, 2010
They can have an eating competition once again!
theW0LF - March 10, 2010
rec cause you made me laugh
North Coast Flea - March 10, 2010
Please pass.
Roger Dorn - March 10, 2010
Actually, if we sign him, please don’t pass.
(It’s http://www.instantrimshot.com/. Use it early and often.)
RelapsingDawgCatcher - March 10, 2010
This is rec worthy just for the link.
BrownDawg1409 - March 10, 2010
Credit where credit is due – this was recently pointed to by NTN here, which is why it was fresh on my mind. I’ve always loved it but tend forget it in my hour of need….
RelapsingDawgCatcher - March 11, 2010
So did I, which is why I requested it in one of my comments.
SpecialBrownie - March 11, 2010
Go you!
RelapsingDawgCatcher - March 11, 2010
thank you for the credit, i saw this earlier and was thinking “hey nobody rec’d my post” :’(
notthatnoise - March 11, 2010
Well deserved.
RelapsingDawgCatcher - March 11, 2010
That’s what that sound’s called!
emily522 - March 10, 2010
I’m also a big fan of sadtrombone.com and emergencyyodel.com. Not every occasion calls for a rim shot.
woodsmeister - March 11, 2010
My puppy died.
Instantrimshot.com
…I’m inclined to believe you.
SpecialBrownie - March 11, 2010
Rec
emily522 - March 11, 2010
That tiger is damn creepy.
SpecialBrownie - March 11, 2010
It’s eyes are a little scary but I think it’s cute.
emily522 - March 11, 2010
Its*
emily522 - March 11, 2010
What tiger wears the shirts of its victims?
Weird.
SpecialBrownie - March 11, 2010
…That’s Clemson’s basketball coach.
emily522 - March 11, 2010
…Wow.
SpecialBrownie - March 11, 2010
I don’t know what your problem with it is. It’s a shirt for the fans to support the basketball team.
emily522 - March 11, 2010
I thought you meant that the coach was in the suit.
That’d seem a little much for rallying the fans. Haha
SpecialBrownie - March 11, 2010
Oh haha. No, it’s not. That would be a little extreme. My friend’s brother was actually the Tiger for the football games.
emily522 - March 11, 2010
OPP wouldn’t do that!
emily- if you follow the bball team closely- what do you think of Purnell?
I’m a Dayton grad and fan. I enjoyed him and honestly thought he would struggle in the ACC.
Ryan Kelsey - March 11, 2010
I don’t follow Clemson basketball that much. I will next year, of course. I think he’s a good coach though and the fans really seem to like what he’s doing.
emily522 - March 11, 2010
Nothing tops the inappropriate death-related rimshot.
RelapsingDawgCatcher - March 11, 2010
“Today’s failures: 4,021. Failures to date: 11,480,428.”
emily522 - March 11, 2010
For celebration, though, nothing beats instantchewbacca.com
rebuilding year - March 12, 2010
I enjoyed this.
gahnki - March 12, 2010
If it’s for celebration, then I’m pushing this multiple times for that shot by Evan Turner today!!!
emily522 - March 12, 2010
He.Is.The.Man.
gahnki - March 12, 2010
I started watching in the first when we were up by 10. Then I came back with 4 minutes left, and I’m glad I did.
Next year, transferring loyalties from OSU to Clemson’s going to be tough. They lost to NC State and I didn’t even blink an eye. I guess I’ll probably care more once I go to the games and such. (I’m still rooting for OSU but I’m going to keep that on the down low at first haha).
emily522 - March 12, 2010
that would be a good idea….I once took a date to a WVU vs PITT football game. Only talked to her for about 2wks, but didn’t find out until I got to Morgantown that she was originally from Pittsburgh and cheered for them the entire game. I curled into the fetal position and pretended not to know her
Kimble_79 - March 12, 2010
does delhomme even fit in a west coast system?
sleepy042 - March 10, 2010
I don’t think he fits any system at this point. Beyond awful is a kind way to describe him.
gahnki - March 10, 2010
dammit. I wanted to say that. he truly doesn’t fit any system.
bross09 - March 10, 2010
This.
Unless your system is “tanking it”, Jakey D isn’t a fit.
Bernie19Kosar - March 10, 2010
BrownDawg1409 - March 10, 2010
OK I get it now
Holmgren is going to invite every loser possible to visit. This will scare everyone so much that when he brings in the guy he really wants we will be so thankful we will meekly accept whoever it is.
burmafrd1944 - March 10, 2010
Count me in favor of this. In fact, have him start. I need my weekly fix of YoYo Chucklebum saying, “Jake ‘Moonlight Come and I Want to’ Delhomme… Whoooop!!!”
/sarc
Spidey - March 10, 2010 via mobile
Think I’m gonna be sick. Please tell me that this won’t happen.
Browns town - March 10, 2010
Ugh. Another used up QB? Maybe we should invite Trent Dilfer or Jeff Garcia back to interview.
Can we please get a guy with some upside? I’d rather start Brady Quinn, Troy Smith, or a rookie. Guys like Delhomme already have film that proves they suck.
jaws. - March 10, 2010
What film is there to show that brady quinn doesn’t suck?
Dawgs Bite Back - March 10, 2010 via mobile
Not much but its the chicken and the egg thing.
Did he suck because of the lack of playmakers on offense or did they suck because of him?
mgtbfb - March 10, 2010
there isn’t any. He still could go either way. But he hasn’t helped himself.
jaws. - March 10, 2010
Notre Dame vs. Navy
Bernie19Kosar - March 10, 2010
One series in 2007, and a few games in 2008.
rufio - March 12, 2010
Question. Why bother releasing DA? Why didn’t we just trade crappy QBs? Or is the goal to release the two and then sign them for peanuts?
Villeslgr - March 10, 2010
If anyone was willing to trade for DA, it would have happened.
Roger Dorn - March 10, 2010
I was just talking about the speculation that he might go to Carolina and we might sign Delhomme. A weird confluence of events.
Villeslgr - March 10, 2010
If the Browns sign Delhomme, then Quinn will be traded shortly after.
There is no way that either Delhomme or Wallace will be a third-stringer.
theW0LF - March 10, 2010
I’d rather draft a QB than take Delhomme. I think…
emily522 - March 10, 2010
I’d rather crap on a bun and have it take a snap than take delhomme.
bross09 - March 10, 2010
He’s a strong corn-fed boy from Colorado. Could probably throw it clear over those mountains.
If Holmgren would put him in. We’d take the Super Bowl for sure.
Villeslgr - March 10, 2010
I don’t know. I understand he comes from a spread offense.
TheRealSlimShady - March 10, 2010
If we sign Delhomme it will lead me to believe three things
1. We are going to draft a young QB for him to mentor
2. We are going to run the ball 40 + times per game next year
3. Quinn is probably gone
Would going with Quinn as the starter and Wallace as the backup be so bad? I mean, barring a miracle we aren’t winning more than 8 games next year. If in 2010 Quinn can’t produce despite what I think will be a very solid run game then we cut our losses.
mgtbfb - March 10, 2010
I think it’s an indication that Holmgren thinks Quinn sucks.
Roger Dorn - March 10, 2010
Bingo.
emily522 - March 10, 2010
emily522 - March 10, 2010
But…… he loves playing for the Browns?
Bernie19Kosar - March 10, 2010
well… by playing he means playing not watching.
jaws. - March 11, 2010
Apparently not so much anymore.
emily522 - March 11, 2010
I agree, I love the kid, but I think Holmgren and company are not liking what they have seen on Quinn. Would have been a great story for us, the kid that loved the Browns growing to be a star for us. I don’t think he will be here much longer though.
Kimble_79 - March 11, 2010
Yep.
johnnyphoenix - March 10, 2010
Can I just say that if Philly would give us McNabb for a 2nd round pick I’d do it in a heartbeat?
mgtbfb - March 10, 2010
I wouldn’t. He is injury plagued a little bit and only probably has 2-3 good years left. Why not just get a guy with some youth. LeFevour or whomever.
jaws. - March 10, 2010
Because QBs after the first almost NEVER work out, and McNabb is a sure thing.
Can someone post a link to Bernie’s article about mid round QBs cuz i can’t find it?
TheRealSlimShady - March 10, 2010
Yes, but when the Browns are ready to compete, McNabb will be ready to retire. Out of your second round pick, you need to obtain long-term value. McNabb simply isn’t long-term value.
gahnki - March 11, 2010
This is my only problem with trading a 2nd for him. He’s worth it, but we aren’t ready for the trade.
rufio - March 12, 2010
I agree with this.
golanbatrac - March 12, 2010
Agreed.
emily522 - March 12, 2010
absolutely. No veteran “holdover” qb. Take a stab in the dark with a young guy. If it doesn’t work out, find your guy next year.
jaws. - March 12, 2010
John Beck?
Villeslgr - March 12, 2010
Why? He is already kinda old and not any good.
TheRealSlimShady - March 12, 2010
I was joking. He’s sits behind “The QB.”
Villeslgr - March 14, 2010
Stop asking to draft LeFevour or some other crappy QB in the 4th round. That’s not what we need.
Buckeye Brad - March 10, 2010
what do we need?
jaws. - March 10, 2010
We need a good QB, and history shows that good QB’s only come in the first two rounds (with a few exceptions, of course). We don’t need some project in the 4th or 5th round who will be just as crappy as the guys we have now.
Buckeye Brad - March 11, 2010
I agree, we need a good QB more than anything else on this team. A good QB can elevate the play of all others around him. I’m not sure whether Lefevour will be it or not. I’ve said that I get the feeling Holmgren likes the kid, but who knows. I would LOVE to see us move up and grab Bradford. I’m not on the Clausen or McCoy bandwagon.
Kimble_79 - March 11, 2010
And I agree with you, about Clausen and McCoy. I think Colt was the product of a good system and had a good set of WRs with him. Now I’m not taking anything away from him, but I don’t feel he’ll come into the league and make an impact right away.
I think Clausen is very high on himself, coming from Notre Dame, and all. You know, the Yankees of college football if you will, cause they’re just SO great at what they do.
Andrew Tolliver - March 11, 2010
Clausen has been high on himself since HS. It wasn’t Notre Dame’s doing.
rufio - March 12, 2010
Why do you think Holmgren likes him? Just cause he talked to him at the combine?
TheRealSlimShady - March 11, 2010
He just seems to fit Holmgrens style…later round pick with pretty good intangibles, strong arm, ect…someone he can groom to his liking. It just seems like it would be a good option for Holmgren.
Kimble_79 - March 11, 2010
He does NOT have a strong arm.
TheRealSlimShady - March 12, 2010
It’s not strong but it is not noodle armed either. LeFevour won’t blow you away, but he might have enough arm for the NFL. It’s borderline.
jaws. - March 13, 2010
strong enougharm
I just think he fits what Mike seems to like. Could be wrong?
Kimble_79 - March 13, 2010
Well of all the QBs other than Bradford and Clausen, I think LeFevour has the most going for him. He has a nice over-the-top release that can make him play even taller than 6-3. His arm strength isn’t a huge weakness like say Colt McCoy, and his production has been fantastic at CMU that last two years.
His drawback is having played in a spread offense against MAC competition. Also he disappointed a lot of scouts by not throwing at the combine. He could be a good guy but a lot of teams might like him later in the draft.
jaws. - March 13, 2010
Actually, I think his arm isn’t strong enough for the NFL. I’m not sure he can make all the necessary throws.
TheRealSlimShady - March 13, 2010
yeah, like I said… its borderline.
jaws. - March 13, 2010
I disagree. I watched him play. I also watched pike play and have seen tape on some of the other QBs.
Lefevour I believe has enough arm strength to make all the necessary throws in the NFL. he doesn’t have anything special, but his arm strength is just strong enough to not majorly hinder him at the next level. it is signficantly better than pike’ and better than McCoy’s
bross09 - March 13, 2010
Wow
TheRealSlimShady - March 13, 2010
Jarrett Brown or Tebow could get drafted before him, even McCoy too, but none of us are really interested in any of those guys, are we?
jaws. - March 13, 2010
I am of the opinion that we are going to look back in five years and Colt McCoy is going to be the second best QB in this class behind Bradford.
Bernie19Kosar - March 13, 2010
I don’t know, really. It only takes one team to take him up high.
He has the spread offense and marginal arm things going against him. Rumors had Josh McDaniels of the Broncos very interested in him, though.
jaws. - March 13, 2010
I think he’s really being underrated this time of year.
rufio - March 14, 2010
Yeah everyone is hating on the “system” quarterbacks. McCoy and Tebow could surprise.
jaws. - March 14, 2010
What about Jackson from MissState? I kinda like him in the 4th.
Brownie's Year - March 14, 2010
Sorry, had a complete brain fart.
I mean Johnson from Texas A&M.
Brownie's Year - March 14, 2010
I totally agree.
bross09 - March 13, 2010
Well then who do you want in this draft? We probably can’t get Bradford or Clausen. If we could I don’t think I would take Clausen anyway. I don’t think anybody here wants McCoy or Tebow in the second.. Those are the only qbs who will go in the first or second rounds (most likely).
Getting a veteran who is mediocre might lead us to an 8-8 team or something like that next year but we wouldn’t make the playoffs and if we did we would get smashed in the first round because our QB play is adequate at best.
We might as well take a chance on a youthful guy with some physical tools and upside. If we hit on our choice (Quinn, LeFevour or Troy Smith are basically the best / only options) we can win some games and have found a qb who can be here for a few years. If we completely miss and the season crumbles, well we will be higher in the draft next year and much more able to acquire one of these “good” first round qbs you want.
jaws. - March 11, 2010
I don’t think he’s saying that we have to draft one this year. Isn’t it possible that we are going to do the best with what we can and hope that next year’s crop of QBs turns out better?
I’m with BB in saying no thanks to LeFevour. There’s going to be great value in the middle rounds this year, and IMO picking LeFevour will be a wasted pick. The last thing that this organization needs is more wasted picks.
Browns town - March 11, 2010
We don’t have to draft a QB this year. If we find a veteran who can start for a couple more years then we can worry about drafting our QB of the future down the road.
Buckeye Brad - March 11, 2010
I was persuaded by B19K’s article and other times I"ve read about the rarity of good QBs from later in the draft.
But regardless of what we think should happen, Holmgren has a history of stockpiling QBs from trades, free agency, and late in the draft. Guys like LeFevour seem like a real possibility.
Ryan Kelsey - March 11, 2010
That’s what I’m saying.
emily522 - March 11, 2010
Yes, but that doesn’t mean we need to acquire them as starters.
If a QB is far and away the best player on the board in the 4th, why not? Virtually no risk with a bigtime potential (albeit very unlikely) reward.
If there is someone in the 4th who could help the team and is a lot better at what he does than a QB, then we should take that guy.
It isn’t like we are the Vikings with a dominant team that only needs a QB to be a SB contender. We can afford to build the rest of the team and wait for a QB. If that means that Quinn or some late-round guy develops or if we get a 1st round QB in next year or the year after’s draft, then we can wait. The only star player we have that’s aging is Rogers.
rufio - March 12, 2010
exactly. Might as well take a stab at a guy in the middle rounds, or if quinn or smith or some other young guy looks like he has some upside. If our experiment fails, then our draft picks will be higher next year anyway… giving us a better chance at landing whoever is the Early first round qb next year.
jaws. - March 12, 2010
I actually agree with this…we don’t have to. Its either Bradford or none for me.
Kimble_79 - March 11, 2010
i see you mentioned troy smith. i’m intrigued, tell me more about this revolutionary idea of yours…
Dawg Nuts - March 11, 2010
You guys misunderstand. I want to find a good qb for the browns. I don’t hear any suggestions of who you guys like for the job. Somebody has to play it this year, and it isn’t going to be Sam Bradford.
Any qb in the draft from Clausen on down is probably a possibility. So are veterans who are currently in the league. Probably the only quarterbacks that are available with any measure of youth at all are Quinn or Smith.
I was just making the argument that I feel it would be better for the team to give a younger guy the shot, as you aren’t going to win a super bowl with a guy like Jake Delhomme anyway. So we might as well take a chance on a mid round guy or Quinn this year and see if we can find our guy that way. If the experiment fails miserably and we go 5-11 again… well at least we will be high in the draft next year and have a decent shot at whatever QBs are available next April.
I’m all ears for your guys’ suggestions who you think looks good on film that the Browns could acquire this offseason. LeFevour clearly looks like the best mid round guy, due to his over the top release and good toughness.
jaws. - March 11, 2010
Seneca Wallace.
golanbatrac - March 11, 2010
yeah…He would be a good player to go out and get.
bross09 - March 11, 2010
Any of the QBs on the roster can start this year.
There is no sense in drafting someone in the later rounds and thrusting him in to action or getting bad value in a trade for a young QB with upside.
We can go 5-11 again and get Locker or someone else next year, but we need to improve our overall roster.
We need to find a young, talented QB at some point and whenever we find that guy, we will probably get a 4-6 win boost in our record. But if that is this offseason, next, or the one after, it won’t matter. Our roster is young and full of holes.
rufio - March 12, 2010
I agree. I’d rather not spend a third or 4th round pick on a QB. If we want to start brady, great. If we can trade brady for good value, great.
If we trade brady, sign Ravens-QB-who-must-not-be-named. It’s not like this team will have anything to lose this year. (QB play cannot get any worse than it was last year)
jaws. - March 12, 2010
I really do not want Troy Smith, anyone who went to Ohio State, anyone from northern Ohio, anyone from anywhere in or around Cleveland, anyone who’s father or mother or great aunt went to OSU, or anyone who is a lifelong fan of the Browns to be in the mix at quarterback. If Quinn gets it done, then great, but if not, I think it’d be in our best interest to look to someone with no ties to the area, the organization or the Buckeyes. Someone from way the hell out west who’s never been to Ohio and who can’t even find Ohio on a map. That’s our guy. Someone who will sink or swim on his own merits and who won’t stoke the delusions of the long suffering and insufferable homers who make up a significant portion of our fan base.
golanbatrac - March 12, 2010
So Charlie Frye is out of the question?
Roger Dorn - March 12, 2010
I say we wait until next year then draft Terrelle Pryor in the first round.
Buckeye Brad - March 12, 2010
If Pryor puts it all together this year, we won’t have the pick to get him. If he doesn’t put it all together, we don’t want him.
golanbatrac - March 12, 2010
I thought it was clear that I was joking, by the way. I don’t think Pryor is going to come out after this season anyways. He still has too much to work on.
Buckeye Brad - March 13, 2010
Yeah, it was clear that you were joking.
golanbatrac - March 13, 2010
I have watched Terrelle Pryors every single home game as a Buckeye in person. He will never be a good quarterback in the NFL. He has terrible mechanics and I’m not sure he can digest an NFL playbook.
jaws. - March 12, 2010
Yet you want Troy Smith so bad??
Watch some tape of Smith’s Sophomore year. He’s practically Pryor’s twin.
SpecialBrownie - March 12, 2010
except 2 feet shorter.
TheRealSlimShady - March 12, 2010
Pryor stinks.
Brownie's Year - March 12, 2010
Did you not read my comment. He played just like Pryor.
SpecialBrownie - March 13, 2010
I wasn’t disagreeing.
Brownie's Year - March 13, 2010
I’ll make a judgment on Pryor at the end of his senior year. No way he declares for the draft next year.
emily522 - March 13, 2010
Did you watch the Rose Bowl?
rufio - March 14, 2010
Except by Smith’s senior year he had built himself into a pretty decent pro prospect. His release is a thousand times better than Pryor’s ever will be.
Most importantly, in terms of work ethic and intangibles the two players are not in the same category at all. Troy Smith is on a different planet than Pryor in terms of work ethic in the film room and in team meetings. Pryor frankly isn’t as intelligent on the field and hasn’t displayed the same kind of fantastic leadership qualities that I felt Smith had.
I’ve met them both in person and I think Pryor would really have to change his attitude to even think about playing QB in the NFL
jaws. - March 13, 2010
How did you come to this?
Bernie19Kosar - March 13, 2010
Yes, I would love to know this as well.
Jaws, when are you going to stop commenting on this of which you know absolutely nothing about? Haven’t we gone over this enough?
Buckeye Brad - March 13, 2010
jaws, once again you don’t know what you’re talking about. I watched Troy Smith in the Spring Game when he was a sophomore and he was just as bad as Pryor. He made great improvements by the time he was a senior and there is no reason that Pryor can’t do the same. Pryor is better now than Smith was at this point in his career.
Once again, please stop talking out of your rear end.
Buckeye Brad - March 13, 2010
They are totally different players. I don’t know why you are down my throat about this. Terrelle Pryor might have a little bit better results on the field but his game as it is right now just wouldn’t translate to the NFL level.
Pryor always has been the more impressive physical form but his release is much worse, his decision making (other than the rose bowl, which it was alright) has been much worse. Worst of all he has an attitude of entitlement that Troy Smith never had.
I’ve seen both players live, talked to them briefly in person. I hear rumblings from people I have class with who are in the weight room with the guys, people covering the games for the paper.
Pryor could work hard and improve by the time he is a senior, the way Troy did, but he has yet to do that, and he has a longer mountain to climb because Troy never had such bad passing mechanics.
Troy Smith might never be a great NFL quarterback, but I could see it happening potentially. I cannot see Terrelle Pryor becoming a solid NFL starter.
jaws. - March 13, 2010
As I’ve told you many times before, I cannot stand it when fans makes comments about things they know nothing about — and you do this all the time.
You cannot possibly know any of that. I don’t care if you talked to them briefly — that may make you think you know them but you don’t. So don’t make assumptions about people that you know nothing about. Don’t talk about who has a better attitude and work ethic and intangibles and all that crap because you don’t know any of that. You don’t know that Pyror has a worse “sense of entitlement” than Smith had. Stop saying things which you know nothing about.
Buckeye Brad - March 13, 2010
I know quite a few things about Troy Smith while he was at Ohio State. Some of them are unprintable. He was not the role-model people portray him to be. Not only is jaws wrong on his view of TS, but he is actually supporting the far lazier player.
gahnki - March 13, 2010
What did he do?
emily522 - March 13, 2010
Plenty of immature, selfish things that made Coach Tressel seriously think of kicking him off the team. Fortunately, he grew up and turned in a great ending season to his career.
gahnki - March 14, 2010
Pryor works ridiculously hard.
rufio - March 14, 2010
Realize who you are talking to and save yourself some time.
gahnki - March 13, 2010
I haven’t seen any mention of Jarrett Brown on here from WVU. I personally do NOT want him on the browns, but I’m just curious what you guys think of him as a QB from a non WVU fan perspective.
Kimble_79 - March 13, 2010
I would use a late rounder on him. He has great athleticism, all the necessary tools, and could have been good if Pat White wasn’t ahead of him.
His inexperience really showed though
TheRealSlimShady - March 13, 2010
Yes, he is not our short term answer, but I would take a late round flier on him as soon as the next guy.
rufio - March 14, 2010
I’ll take Bauserman in the first, please.
rufio - March 14, 2010
Actually, I’d take Charlie back if it means that Dawg Pound Mike drag his Frye guy outfit out of mothballs and makes a fool of himself again.
golanbatrac - March 12, 2010
DPM doesn’t need any additional help making a fool of himself.
Roger Dorn - March 13, 2010
We tried that, twice. Their names were Derek Anderson and Tim Couch. Oh and Jeff Garcia.
Charlie Frye just didn’t have the tools to be a good NFL quarterback.
Oh, by the way before you ridicule, take a look at who is available out there… because there isn’t much.
jaws. - March 12, 2010
I wouldn’t mind drafting LeFevour. Apparently the FO does have an interest in him.
I guess I’m in the minority, though.
emily522 - March 10, 2010
Just remember guys: In Holgren We Trust.
emily522 - March 10, 2010
Who is this Holgren?
Does he ask good QBs to visit Cleveland?
SpecialBrownie - March 10, 2010
Maybe he’s going to draft a good QB.
emily522 - March 10, 2010
Did we release Ratliff?
emily522 - March 10, 2010
…No.
SpecialBrownie - March 10, 2010
I was just wondering, since we’re having a QB overhaul.
emily522 - March 10, 2010
We’re going to replace DA and BQ, and Ratliff will be the last remnant of years past as the emergency backup QB? Mooncamping should be thrilled.
RelapsingDawgCatcher - March 10, 2010
Yeah, he couldn’t have David Carr but he still has Ratliff. Ya can’t have it all, Moon.
emily522 - March 10, 2010
Ah man….. what’s going on here?!
Brownie's Year - March 10, 2010
In a nutshell!
RelapsingDawgCatcher - March 10, 2010
If we can take a chance on DA’s twin, why can’t we take a chance on Troy Smith?!
My brain hurts.
SpecialBrownie - March 10, 2010
I been asking myself this all day.
jaws. - March 10, 2010
You’ve been asking that for much longer than one day . . . .
Buckeye Brad - March 10, 2010
I would so take Troy over JD.
emily522 - March 10, 2010
I would take Quinn over anybody else, rookies included.
BrownDawg1409 - March 10, 2010
anybody????
bross09 - March 10, 2010
If were deadset on getting rid of Brady I say trade him to KC for Croyle.
troy145 - March 10, 2010
I’ll take their 3rd and 6th.
Brownie's Year - March 10, 2010
Has Croyle ever even finished a game without breaking something? No thanks.
I’d love to keep BQ, but it’s not gonna happen. He’s gonna go for a pick somewhere, Seneca’s gonna start, and I hope that Delhomme is nothing more than an older Ken Dorsey. If he actually plays for us I might cry. There’s not a lot if ways to get worse QB play than what we’ve had, but that’s one of them.
Legoman0721 - March 10, 2010 via mobile
i posted the same thing on cleveland.com. lmao!!!! we’re actually gonna be worse at qb if delhomme is actually signed, than we were last year. jake sucks!
gobrowns! - March 10, 2010
Wow. You just admitted to being a Cleveland.com poster.
That’s punishable by death, my friend.
SpecialBrownie - March 10, 2010
Trent Green had a bad injury history too. Every QB who has played behind that KC oline has been injured, Green, Croyle, Thigpen, Huard, Cassel – all of them.
troy145 - March 10, 2010
thigpen not really.
bross09 - March 10, 2010
thiggy cracked his ribs playing behind the oline.
troy145 - March 11, 2010
I forgot about that.
bross09 - March 11, 2010
My official position on Jake Delhomme:
jaws. - March 10, 2010
Id rather sign Kerry Collins than Jake Delhomme an that actually hurt to type that.
BrutalMovement - March 10, 2010
Kerry Collins isn’t a free agent.
Bernie19Kosar - March 10, 2010
:)
Im happy with everything so far.But dont see much logic to the Delhomme ordeal however.
kevin122380 - March 10, 2010
:)
Holmgren knows QBs!!!! and im pretty sure at this point he has one picked out early on in the draft.To start a good team you have to have a QB and anyone but Tebow is a better pick than what weve had lol thats for sure.
kevin122380 - March 10, 2010
Quit using the subject line and smiley faces.
SpecialBrownie - March 10, 2010
Don’t steal his sunshine:)
Villeslgr - March 10, 2010
You’re one to pounce pretty quickly on these things aren’t you
skipkirk - March 10, 2010
It came out more harsh than desired, but there is a hidden code of sorts to this blog.
I am also a grammar nazi and perfectionist.
SpecialBrownie - March 10, 2010
I know there is but the guy was new anyway. If the guy sticks around for a while he’ll know what to do.
Just saying you can save your time telling every one-time poster what to do man heh.
skipkirk - March 10, 2010
I can’t imagine what kind of hell it must have been to be a Browns fan and a perfectionist for the last decade ; )
JustBob - March 11, 2010
I’m part of the Subject Line Police. No sir, we don’ like it.
Brownie's Year - March 11, 2010
this is the only sbnation blog ive been to that is so damn anal about the subject line. then again most of my teams are southern and we tend to take things easy in the south. :)
troy145 - March 11, 2010
Every Cleveland SBN blog doesn’t use the subject line. It’s pointless and distracting.
Buckeye Brad - March 11, 2010
i think i’ve seen people at FTS use it, though i haven’t been there in a while, and they get a lot of other teams’ fans on their blog, so that could be it.
notthatnoise - March 11, 2010
Yeah, most of people at FTS who don’t also post at LGT or DBN use it. We’ve tried to convert them but so far they haven’t learned.
Plus, as you said, we get a lot of visitors from other sites there (mostly trolls coming to bash LeBron) and they all use it.
Buckeye Brad - March 12, 2010
FTS seems to attract more trolls. Makes sense because of Lebron.
Roger Dorn - March 12, 2010
Yep. I guess I never realized that a large segment of sports fans would hate someone just because he’s popular. Plus, there isn’t a large group of intelligent regular posters built up there yet, like we have at LGT and DBN, who can drive away the idiots and keep the discussions intelligent. Too many times on that site an entire thread will be taken over by trolls, and it makes it very difficult to have a reasonable discussion at times. It’s too bad, but I’ve stopped visiting there as often just because there are so many idiots all over the place that it really detracts from the quality of the site.
Buckeye Brad - March 12, 2010
yeah I started going there a few months ago and was blown away that there were that many trolls there. I also agree about the lack of intelligent posters there, but while I might understand basketball better than the average fan, I don’t know that i understand it enough to really know what I’m talking about. Same thing with LGT, I know i understand baseball better than the “dolan is cheap! sell the team!” fans, but I don’t have nearly the depth of baseball knowledge that the regulars over there do.
notthatnoise - March 12, 2010
Same. I couldn’t post on LGT. I read the stuff, but usually I get confused at some point haha.
I post on the FTS game threads when I can.
emily522 - March 12, 2010
Haters gonna hate, ballers gonna ball
rufio - March 12, 2010
In Jake Delhomme’s last 12 games he has thrown 23 INT’s.
Holy crap.
Bernie19Kosar - March 10, 2010
Including the worst performance in postseason history. I just don’t get why they even let it get to that. The Panthers run game is phenomenal.
Roger Dorn - March 10, 2010
Just what we don’t need.
emily522 - March 11, 2010
Agreed Delhomme is definitely not a good decision.Ive posted here a handful of times actually, plan on sticking around I live in Cincinnati so cant talk football with none of my friends.LOL
kevin122380 - March 11, 2010
O…H…I..O….and go Reds i have a messed up fanbase I know. :)
kevin122380 - March 11, 2010
Been a Cleveland Browns fan since 5 yrs of age LOL and im 29 now…as we all know its been rough but they are my team.
kevin122380 - March 11, 2010
All of a sudden you wish you could have signed David Carr?
Hilarious at this point.
mooncamping - March 11, 2010
i don’t think he intended that remark as a compliment toward carr. regardless, i still wouldn’t want carr.
Dawg Nuts - March 11, 2010
I’m pretty sure he was joking.
Buckeye Brad - March 11, 2010
Yes.
Bernie19Kosar - March 11, 2010
It’s a sarcastic remark.
gahnki - March 11, 2010
rec
TheRealSlimShady - March 11, 2010
Its not a bad idea to bring a true veteran presence to the team. Veterans are usually better game managers and this team hasn’t had a true veteran with a stable successful background in a long time. And if we draft a rookie he’s good to sit behind.
The Licensed Pessimist - March 11, 2010
I’d be fine with a veteran who had a stable successful background.
notthatnoise - March 11, 2010
he was consistently great from 03-08
The Licensed Pessimist - March 11, 2010
I got a good Idea, lets go and get guys that were good from 2003 to about 2008. I got a brilliant Idea: Lets build a team from guys who were good a few years ago.
QB: Delhomme
RB: LT
WR: TO and Tory Holt
LT: Orlando Pace
RT: Ryan Tucker
LG: Joe Andruzzi
RG: Larry Allen
C: Lecharles Bentley
DE: Leonard Little
LDE: Kyle VandenBosch
DT: Sam Adams
DT: LaRoi Glover
ROLB: Derrick Brooks
LOLB: Keith Brooking
MLB: Brian Urlacher
CB: Rhonde Barber
CB: Ty Law
FS: Brian Dawkins
SS: John Lynch.
Yeah, 3-4 years ago this team would win a super bowl.
Now, this team would be lucky to win a game.
please don’t say that he was good then and therefore he will be good in 2010. that argument is ludicrous.
bross09 - March 11, 2010
That is a smartass remark.
TheRealSlimShady - March 11, 2010
I’m pretty sure that wasn’t his argument.
Ntn made a comment about a stable background. A background can only occur in the past, so Rockland said he was stable from 03-08.
Gotta go slow with the jokes or you might get ahead of yourself.
Villeslgr - March 11, 2010
if he was joking that we should get him, it wasn’t that funny…honestly, I just felt after thinking about it, what a team like that would look like.
bross09 - March 11, 2010
I was talking about you joking and your remark. You were so quick to make a remark it seemed liked you missed his point.
Villeslgr - March 12, 2010
He wasn’t joking that we should get him; he was simply responding to NTN’s comment about finding a QB with a stable background by showing that Delhomme fit that description. I don’t think he was arguing that meant he was going to be good next season.
Either way, your response was very harsh in its tone and that wasn’t necessary. He never said to go out an acquire a team of players that was great 5 years ago.
Buckeye Brad - March 12, 2010
Yeah…maybe the whole thing was unnecessary…I just wanted to see what a team like that would look like and got a little carried away. I agree it was unnecessary. I misunderstood what he meant. he is right that delhomme had a pretty stable background up until this year.
bross09 - March 12, 2010
Which is meaningless to his value now.
gahnki - March 11, 2010
I think this is what they were trying to do with JD, and why he is off to visit teams like the Saints instead.
Why would you want to be a backup on the Browns when you could be a backup and potentially play in the playoffs?
rufio - March 12, 2010
Delhomme is visiting the Saints this weekend now. BREATHE PEOPLE.
Roger Dorn - March 11, 2010
/Exhales
emily522 - March 11, 2010
actually if he is visiting the Saints, I think he still might be open to coming here if we want him, because he is definitely riding the bench there.
Villeslgr - March 11, 2010
He’s from Louisiana I believe.
Roger Dorn - March 11, 2010
he sure is…so he may like that option better
Kimble_79 - March 11, 2010
And he’s making it a two day visit. And the Saints fans seem to be excited about the prospect of acquiring Delhomme, so I’d say if NO makes an offer, he’s as good as signed.
golanbatrac - March 11, 2010
Aaahh, that makes sense too. Actually makes more sense. Finish your career up at home for the defending Super Bowl Champs.
Villeslgr - March 12, 2010
hmmm…play for a rebuilding browns team as backup in freezing weather, or play for defending SB champs, in fair weather (minus hurricanes) all year long as a backup in your home state. That would make my choice pretty easy
Kimble_79 - March 12, 2010
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