In today's edition of Around the Pound, we take a look at trade rumors regarding one of the league's best cornerbacks, the new home of WR David Patten, Mike Holmgren's take on quarterbacks not showing up at the combine, and more.
I like to credit myself for memorizing some of the more difficult names to spell in the NFL (such as T.J. Houshmandzadeh), but I still have a tough time any time I try to type out Asomugha. Thankfully for the CTRL+C and CTRL+V features, I won't have to worry about that too much here.
Anyway, rumors are circulating that the Oakland Raiders are willing to dump off pretty much any of their players now, including Asomugha if the deal is right. The issue is his contract, which makes it nearly impossible for him to be tradeable. The Jets are cited as a possible team that might be interested in him.
If Asomugha really wants to play with Revis and experience life under defensive savant Ryan -- and get out of Oakland while he's at it -- perhaps he'd be willing to restructure his deal to play for a team that's trying to, you know, win.
The possibility of Asomugha still seems remote because of his contract, but the fact the Raiders are dangling him around the league makes you wonder how nauseous AFC East quarterbacks will get at the mere thought of him and Revis in green and white together.
It is noted that Asomugha is scheduled to make $16.59 million guaranteed this season. I doubt the Raiders would be able to move him. In the remote chance that Asomugha did restructure his contract to play elsewhere, I'm sure it would be to a team that was a contender last season (which remove the Cleveland Browns out of the mix).
Late in his career, WR David Patten can only seem to catch on with his former teams. Last year it was with the Browns in training camp, and this year it looks like it'll be with the New England Patriots.
Since Patten was out of football in 2009, it would be a stretch to call him a lock for a roster spot. But this isn't one of those sign-and-retire type contracts. The Patriots saw enough of Patten in a workout to believe he could possibly help -- at the very least in offseason work.
With WR Wes Welker injured indefinitely, Patten might have a legitimate chance at making the Patriots' final roster.
Quarterbacks don't want to disappoint team president Mike Holmgren. I'm not talking about Brady Quinn or Derek Anderson, but rather the quarterbacks at the combine who have decided to bypass the combine drills. Quarterbacks not participating include Colt McCoy, Jimmy Clausen, Sam Bradford, Tim Tebow, and Dan LeFevour.
"I don't get [not throwing]. Someone has sold a bill of goods to some of these kids," Holmgren said.
"One thing I always told the quarterback was to throw at the combine. Participate. I always thought, at that position, it was a mistake [not to throw]. We know you're going with receivers you don't know. Very rarely do you get dinged [downgraded] on a combine thing. But it can help you."
As a new addition to Around the Pound, I'll try to include the best headlines from each of our three AFC North affiliate SB Nation websites:
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Nmadi Asomugha is the best of all midget cornerbacks in the NFL, he actually attacks the rush. He will get hurt eventually though. He could be a killer at safety though.
Patten was cut by us. The Patriots picking him up is suspect.
Mike Holmgren is wrong. He has no right to preposition these fine college athletes into aborting their plan of action. They have after all given their all in college, and there is ample evidence of scout salivating to downgrade talents, based on split seconds and a perceived weakness in meeting the expectation of the hour.
mooncamping - February 25, 2010
i’d say Holmgren’s track record earns him the benefit of the doubt on any talent evaluation matters. but i do think combine numbers are a little overrated.
Dawg Nuts - February 25, 2010
I was for giving him the keys to the franchise in the beginning. He talked a good game.
Meanwhile, he´s the new guy.
I wouldn´t say the numbers are overrated per se. We´re just dealing with evaluation processes that can negate all prior efforts.
mooncamping - February 26, 2010
Haley’s role in Watchmen was great. I think the new Nightmare movie is going to be good. If he brings a fraction of intensity over from the Rorschach character, he’ll make Robert Englund proud.
I like to consider myself a horror purist, and I usually frown upon remakes, but this looks good. The new Friday the 13th was decent and the new Halloween (first one) was alright.
Andrew Tolliver - February 25, 2010
I saw Rob Zombie’s remake and it wasn’t bad; though on the same note, without knowledge of the original storyline it probably would’ve been awful. I haven’t seen Halloween II (released last August), but I know neither one garnered very good reviews overall.
Chris Pokorny - February 25, 2010
I haven’t seen H2 yet either, and quite honestly, I don’t know if I ever will. I’ve heard so many bad things about it that it sounds like another Halloween 3. Gross.
Andrew Tolliver - February 25, 2010
…and I never saw Halloween 3 because of the bad reviews on that movie. I saw the original 1 and 2, and then H20.
Chris Pokorny - February 25, 2010
Don’t ever waste your time. You’d have more fun playing in a piranha tank.
Andrew Tolliver - February 25, 2010
or more fun watching Saw VI
bross09 - February 25, 2010
I didn’t honestly like rob Zombie’s version. granted, I have never been a fan of him as a director and have watched the original a couple times. but, if there is a halfway decent director, I would be excited to see haley as freddy kreuger.
bross09 - February 25, 2010
When he first appeared in that trailer I thought it was Rorschach.
gahnki - February 25, 2010
I loved Haley as Rorschach, the only qualm I have with him as Freddy is that in the previews it sounds like he’s using the same exact voice. I know this is a minor thing, but every time I hear his voice I’m going to see Rorschach in my mind, not Freddy Kruger, and as Christian Bale proved, bad voice acting can make a great movie laughable (The Dark Knight). To me Englund was comedically menacing, which made me love the Elm St series. Seems Haley is trying to be just plain menacing.
North Coast Flea - February 25, 2010
I loved dark knight the first time…
but then I started hearing that christian bale voice and it would make me laugh…
When did batman become possessed by satan?
bross09 - February 25, 2010
WHERE IS HE?
Chris Pokorny - February 25, 2010
This is probably why the Joker laughed all the time.
SpecialBrownie - February 25, 2010
On a related note, the best Joker laugh of all time.
gahnki - February 25, 2010
I’ll agree to an extent. I wouldn’t say its exactly the same, but similar.
Andrew Tolliver - February 26, 2010
I love how all movies now are essentially remakes. That’s awesome.
SpecialBrownie - February 25, 2010
sarc/?
bross09 - February 25, 2010
Did you know they’re remaking Ferris Bueller’s Day Off? Not even kidding.
If it stars Zac Efron, I may jump off of a cliff.
emily522 - February 25, 2010
supposedly they want to star all the old ppl and make it like ferris in his 40s…
plot sounds really dumb.
they are also releasing remakes of footloose and red dawn…
also remade is the A-Team series into a movie. tron is coming out next year too…
Some other rumored are:
Death Wish
Knight Rider series into a movie
Meatballs
1984
and the Dirty Dozen.
bross09 - February 25, 2010
Either remakes or finally making sequels that were in developmental hell is definitely a hot trend now.
The remakes are happening for TV series too.
Chris Pokorny - February 25, 2010 via mobile
TV series being made back into TV series?
TV series as a movie?
Or both?
I know the A-Team is already mostly done being filmed as a movie…
It is so true…not only did we just see a ton of sequals this year (Transformers, Taking of Pelham, friday the 13th, Fame) but there are about another almost dozen that have already been mostly made and are coming out next year…
YAY!!!!
bross09 - February 25, 2010
TV series being made back into TV series.
On ABC, “V” is a remake of the old “V” (though that was a TV miniseries I believe).
On the CW, “90210” and “Melrose Place” are pseudo remakes I suppose.
On NBC, they did do the Knight Rider remake, but I think that might be over already.
I’m sure there have been a few other recent instances as well.
Chris Pokorny - February 25, 2010
I knew 90210 and Melrose…
I was thinking more of stuff that hadn’t happened yet. I already knew about 90210 and Melrose…
bross09 - February 25, 2010
1984 with digital animation could be interesting.
gahnki - February 25, 2010
I don’t know how good it is though.
bross09 - February 25, 2010
The book is way better than the movie. Orwell was a genius.
Brownie's Year - February 25, 2010
oh…obviously. there is no way the movie would be better.
bross09 - February 25, 2010
It is amusing how hollywood rehashes everything…
Some other remakes I have found out about…Top Gun, Karate Kid…
Hollywood Just rehashes everything:
http://www.cracked.com/article_16665_5-upcoming-remakes-80s-movies-that-must-be-stopped.html
Not just plots:
http://www.cracked.com/article/231_5-things-hollywood-reuses-more-than-plots/
bross09 - February 25, 2010
I might have to see Tron.
rufio - February 27, 2010
/puke
North Coast Flea - February 25, 2010
Wow. Blasphemy.
SpecialBrownie - February 25, 2010
Do a CGI movie of “Thundercats”. That’s the only ‘stolen idea movie’ I want to see.
Brownie's Year - February 25, 2010
You mean Lasercats?
TheRealSlimShady - February 25, 2010
What the hell is Lasercats?
Brownie's Year - February 26, 2010
There are 5 SNL digital shorts
Here is one of them.
TheRealSlimShady - February 26, 2010
Wow. That’s just horrible. Garbage like that is why I haven’t watch SNL in over 10 years. It’s not funny anymore.
Brownie's Year - February 26, 2010
The Peyton Manning episode was hilarious.
Bernie19Kosar - February 26, 2010
I feel bad enough watching BQIB’s clip. I’ll just take your word for it. :)
Brownie's Year - February 27, 2010
Step one, cut a hole in the box…
rufio - February 27, 2010
Also, the Rock as Mr. Beepers was pretty solid. Agreed that the quality of SNL is down right now.
rufio - February 27, 2010
I grew up on the show. Why would I "cut a hole in the box" for shit that doesn’t make me laugh? The show has sucked for years.
.
I’m glad you argued then agreed with me.
Brownie's Year - February 27, 2010
It hasn’t been the same since the samurai left…and the end of the bassomatic.
bross09 - February 27, 2010
I didn’t really argue that point at all. Every once in a while SNL hits a home run (as in with D*¢k in a Box or Beepers) but they are fewer and further between than in the past. Doesn’t take away from some of the good stuff they’ve had recently (albeit infrequently).
rufio - February 27, 2010
To me, "Cut a hole in the box" was telling me to take in the "funny" segments, after I already said that it sucked and that I don’t watch it.
I’ll admit that once in a while (once a month) I’ll stop on the chanel and watch a few mins. I can’t stand it now. The people on there suck ass!!
Brownie's Year - February 27, 2010
“Cut a hole in the box” is a line from one of the skits….
gahnki - February 27, 2010
…and its behind the link above.
rufio - February 27, 2010
Ahhh ok. My bad, sir.
Brownie's Year - February 27, 2010
The Lonely Island isn’t SNL. So that doesn’t count.
Brownie's Year - February 27, 2010
yes. true. but they do air a lot of lonely island productions at times on SNL as digital shorts…
D*** In a box was lonely island but was also on SNL.
bross09 - February 27, 2010
True, but it’s not SNL. They didn’t make it! They just allowed it on their show because they can’t come up with anything funnier. The music vid, "I’m On a Boat", is the funniest thing they have had on their show in years. That’s why they jumped on it. SNL flat out sucks ass now.
Brownie's Year - February 27, 2010
I don’t disagree.
Hader is the only good member on there. it hasn’t been good since 1995…I miss al franken.
bross09 - February 27, 2010
If its played on SNL why not count it? That’s like saying " I like this new episode, but there was a guest character so it doesn’t count."
TheRealSlimShady - March 1, 2010
I’m talking about production. SNL doesn’t make The Lonely Island vids. Therefor they can’t be claimed as SNL skits.
Far from what we’re talking about.
Brownie's Year - March 1, 2010
that is true…
bross09 - March 3, 2010
Most completely suck.
Hader is pretty funny. a lot of the funnier sketches are often written by him. check out one called bad people, good conversations…its pretty funny…one of the few recent things I like.
samberg is okay at times…
bross09 - February 27, 2010
I can’t stand Samberg. I stopped watching after they cut Horatio Sans, and even then I barely watched, to me the glory days of SNL were the late 80’s/early 90’s.
North Coast Flea - February 27, 2010
Like I said, samberg is okay, AT TIMES. there are times where I will totally agree with you on him. sometimes I can’t stand him. however, a lot of the lonely island stuff is usually good…
I think the glory days were 1977-1980.
The era you mentioned was good as well (it ended at about 1995). there was a nuclear fallout on that show in the course of about 2 seasons. from late 1993-1995, they lost:
Phil Hartman
Julia Sweeney
Dana Carvey
Mike Myers
Adam Sandler
Chris Farley
Al Franken (one of the original writers)
Dennis Miller left in ’91
Chris Rock
David Spade (left early ’96)
Rob Schneider
Sarah Silverman (was only on for a short time though)
Kevin Nealon…
there was only one person even remotely funny left and that was time meadows. EVERYONE left…those guys made up an amazing SNL cast.
granted they added a couple funny people like David Koechner, and Will ferrell (and molly shannon) but they couldn’t hold a candle up to the previous cast.
the problem was, turnover. Koechner only spent a season and norm McDonald left soon after.
It got really good again around 2000 b/c they had ferrell, hammond, tracy morgan, and many others, but then molly shannon left, ferrell left, and then they had a lot of unfunny people on there (like jimmy fallon…man I hate that guy).
still, SNL hasn’t been the same since they lost the gifted writer Al Franken.
bross09 - February 27, 2010
I hate Fallon too.
North Coast Flea - February 28, 2010
its not just the fact that he isn’t funny at all, it is the fact that he can never stop laughing!!
bross09 - February 28, 2010
Why do you hate him?
Is it because he is a douchebag? That’s why I hate him.
Bernie19Kosar - February 28, 2010
Almost. I hate Fallon because he’s an unfunny douchebag who laughed during every single unfunny skit he was in. Conan O’Brien may laugh at his own jokes but at least he’s funny and doesn’t do it eery single time.
North Coast Flea - February 28, 2010
I agree. even take away the douchebag part I would hate him….
even if he was funny I would just hate him for laughing all the time…He is the triple threat of my hatred.
bross09 - March 1, 2010
I love Samberg, and I enjoy SNL, but I’m younger so i have different taste.
TheRealSlimShady - March 1, 2010
Like A Boss!
SpecialBrownie - March 1, 2010
samberg is okay at times. I think the best current cast member is Hader. Not only is he hilarious on the show but he is probably the best writer out of the repertory players.
the only other person I like besides him and samberg is Keenan thompson (and fred armisen only for his obama impersonations)
bross09 - March 3, 2010
Well, it’s possible that he finds some of their skits funny but still thinks the show’s quality is down overall.
Buckeye Brad - February 27, 2010
Maybe they could make a good Ninja Turtles movie, you know, like the 1st one, one that doesn’t involve white rappers, or time travel.
North Coast Flea - February 25, 2010
Ninja Rap was cool dude
The Brown Note - February 25, 2010
yeah it WAS cool, when I was 5 and didn’t know any better.
North Coast Flea - February 25, 2010
The time travel one was one of my favorites particularly due to the fact that I was 8 and Michael Angelo was one of the most hilarious creatures on the face of the Earth.
But nothing will top the first. “SPLINTER!”
SpecialBrownie - February 25, 2010
Mikey was always my favorite turtle.
North Coast Flea - February 26, 2010
The first one was a classic, but knocking Turtles in Time will not do you many favors in my book.
Roger Dorn - February 26, 2010
Turtles in time was the video game and it was the shit. The time travel I was speaking of was the third movie where they went back to fuedal era Japan
North Coast Flea - February 26, 2010
Yea I was talking about the movie and also acknowledge the video game’s greatness.
Roger Dorn - February 26, 2010
The concept of the Ninja Turtles acting as Samurai always bugged me, considering that ninjas were originally farmers who were revolting against the samurai, whom were the enforcers of the rulers of their areas.
North Coast Flea - February 28, 2010
The fact that they were 6 foot talking turtles didn’t bug you?
Bernie19Kosar - March 1, 2010
Call me eccentric.
North Coast Flea - March 1, 2010
Didn’t know this, but time traveling turtles for me at a young age was pretty fantastic.
Roger Dorn - March 1, 2010
Indeed.
SpecialBrownie - March 1, 2010
yup, most early ninja weapons were originally farming tools such as the sickle, sai (used for spacing holes for seeds in a garden), and Nunchaku (used to pound grain into flour and other powdery substances).
North Coast Flea - March 1, 2010
Man, you would be no fun at a Samurai Convention.
gahnki - March 1, 2010
Or at all.
SpecialBrownie - March 1, 2010
Wow, way to be a douche.
North Coast Flea - March 1, 2010
I actually like the samurai fighting style, I even own my own katana.
North Coast Flea - March 1, 2010
yeah…because Ninja’s are the adversary of the Samurai.
bross09 - March 3, 2010
I learn something new every day.
Bernie19Kosar - March 1, 2010
AGREE
First one was the best. It also had Casey Jones in it.
Second one got a tad goofey. But still liked it.
Third was just stupid.
Never saw the fourth one. Heard it was lame so I didn’t bother.
The FIFTH one comes out in a couple years (2012).
Brownie's Year - February 26, 2010
You guys are missing out on a whole dimension of movie greatness.
My friend invented this rating scale, and I am a fan of it. It involves two axes. The first is the traditional “good-to-bad” axis, the one most of you guys are using. I like to think of this as the horizontal axis of the movie graph. The second axis—the vertical dimension—scales from “suck” to “awesome”. Often, things such as use of stock footage, horrible lines, botched voice dub-overs, etc. (the same things that can make a movie “bad”) make the movie “awesome”.
Using a more multidimensional rating system can more accurately evaluate and chart movies. For instance, Shark Attack 3 is widely considered a bad movie—and for good reason. The use of stock footage clearly of multiple species of sharks to play the role of the one killer shark in the movie, however, is awesome. As is one of the worst/awesomist lines of all time (search “stupid movie quotes shark attack 3” in Youtube). Ferris Bueller is a classic example of a “good-awesome” movie along with Terminator 2, while movies like Stand By Me can rate as good-neutral, and movies like maybe Citizen Kane and Amélie can be rated as “good-suck”. Zac Efron starring in Ferris Bueller’s day off sounds like it might be in the “bad-suck” quadrant.
A lot of these movies sound like they have the potential to be in the ‘awesome’ half of the graph.
rufio - February 27, 2010
I think this is honestly a stupid way to rate movies.
1. I don’t consider the stock footage from shark attack 3 and the horrible quotes to make it at all awesome. Was ed wood and awesome director? No. he was horrible. sometimes his stuff was mildly amusing b/c it was so bad. this part is completely subjective and has no objectivity to rate movies.
Obviously it is subjective b/c shark attack 3 is awesome where citizen kane sucks. I mean one axis (the good/bad) sounds fairly objective. the other is completely subjective based on your personal taste in movies and how you define “awesome”.
I would say that trying to graph something like this could possibly work (though not likely) but it should be a little more objective. was 2012 a good movie b/c it blew up the world? No. It might have been “awesome” on some level, but it was a dreadful movie that was hard to sit through. it was similar in many ways to shark attack 3 but with better production value. it was supposed to be a thriller but I left thinking it was a comedy. honestly, I would consider this a bad movie overall but on your scale, because of the quadrant idea, it is just as good as citizen kane.
this kind of system gives too much emphasis on subjectivity. a great masterpiece might not just feel “awesome” when you first watch it but a horrible movie like transformers 2 might to some people.
I just don’t like the idea that a movie is awesome just because it was a horribly put together movie and the production value was bad. the idea of this whole thing is subjective and gives more weight to bad movies that you might like, but are still bad movies. bad production value might be fun to laugh at, at times but that doesn’t make it any better quality of a movie.
bross09 - February 27, 2010
Exactly. The suck/awesome axis is ironic, not serious.
Lacking objectivity like every other method of rating movies ever. I am a masters candidate in an arts program that runs alongside a film studies program, you don’t think I know about lack of objectivity in the evaluation of creative works? I have to grade creative works for my job.
All this rating system does is add another dimension in which to analyze movies subjectively.
This isn’t the point. Bad production value doesn’t make a movie ‘awesome’ in and of itself, nor is it the sole criteria for establishing a movie as ‘awesome’. I would rate the Matrix and FBDO as in the awesome half of the graph, and both are well-produced. I have not seen 2012, but it very well may be “bad-suck”, lacking awesomeness despite its content.
WHICH IS THE POINT.
Lastly, THIS ISN’T INTENDED TO BE A SERIOUS ENDEVOR. And honestly, I think you are being a jerk.
rufio - February 27, 2010
I am sorry if you thought I was being a jerk.
I didn’t think that this was serious. I mistook it for being serious instead of Ironic. I am sorry I didn’t really get the irony of it.
bross09 - February 27, 2010
I can see your grade scale, and my example is Idle Hands, horrible special effect,acting, etc. but it was still awesome because it was funny as hell.
North Coast Flea - February 27, 2010
I think that’s the point
Villeslgr - February 27, 2010
I didn’t get that the whole “awesome” thing was an ironic joke…
It was late…my joke meter shuts off at about 1 o clock…i can’t watch funny stuff after then either.
I do understand the point of bad movies though being “good”
bross09 - February 27, 2010
Dude, where’s my car.
Villeslgr - February 27, 2010
Never seen it. Sounds like it almost has to be in the ‘bad’ half of the graph.
rufio - February 27, 2010
that movie was horrible/suck
North Coast Flea - February 27, 2010
"Dude, Where’s My Car" is a freakin’ classic! I’ve seen it over 10 times. SHIBBY!
Good movie, hell no. Stupid funny, hell yes.
Brownie's Year - February 27, 2010
exactly.
a lot of the movies like this are horrible but they are stupid funny.
bross09 - February 27, 2010
HAHA
Brownie's Year - March 1, 2010
And den??
SpecialBrownie - February 27, 2010
I personally don’t like Ashton Kutcher as anything but Kelso, and never liked Sean William Scott in anything he was in. Evolution would have been a really awesome movie was he not in it.
North Coast Flea - February 28, 2010
Dude! I forgot bout that one!
SpecialBrownie - February 28, 2010
Never seen it – but I did have a friend knocking on my door early one morning asking that same question back in ’85. We were able to spot it in a field when we went to the roof of my apartment building.
JustBob - March 1, 2010
My friend once tried this at a bar.
Long story short, it ended up with him wearing a red bull and vodka. Awesome.
Bernie19Kosar - February 27, 2010
nice.
rufio - February 27, 2010
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