It hasn't been a pretty game offensively for the Cleveland Browns thus far after some early success running the football. Cleveland is down 10-6 at the half.
 |
VS. |
 |
Game: Cleveland Browns vs. Buffalo Bills
Date/Time: Sunday, December 12, 2010 at 1:00 p.m. EST
Local Television: WOIO/CBS, Channel 19 (Cleveland)
Announcers: Don Criqui & Steve Beuerlein
0 recs | 761 comments
first
davus - December 12, 2010
Flag
Simmsinns - December 12, 2010
you mad.
davus - December 12, 2010
At the freaking score, hell yes I’m p*ssed.
Simmsinns - December 12, 2010
LETS GO BROWNS!
Simmsinns - December 12, 2010
doh!
findlaybrownslover - December 12, 2010
I hope we actually made adjustments, please!
SpecialBrownie - December 12, 2010
Let’s hunt some Buffalo!
Heavysoviet - December 12, 2010
YOU CAN DO IT!!! FAMOUS WORDS FROM TONY LITTLE!!
findlaybrownslover - December 12, 2010
And here I thought that was Rob Schnieder.
North Coast Flea - December 12, 2010
little was first
findlaybrownslover - December 12, 2010
Please wash your hands if you were typing in the first half thread.
Spidey - December 12, 2010 via mobile
And gargle with mouthwash as well.
RelapsingDawgCatcher - December 12, 2010
innocent
LondonBrown - December 12, 2010
Wow, all the stats go their way. So disgusting.
SpecialBrownie - December 12, 2010
we get an int. here on this drive!! i feel it!
findlaybrownslover - December 12, 2010
Ward for 6.
North Coast Flea - December 12, 2010
Awwwwwful.
Simmsinns - December 12, 2010
That looked a bit horrible. I couldn’t get it on TV so watched the first half Bungles-Steelers, which was an interesting game. Now streaming on adthe.
Crap that I have to stream it when it’s on a public channel but that’s Rogers for you… effing incomprehensible!
LondonBrown - December 12, 2010
Fitzpatrick very quick to release. Good play by Buffalo there.
BuenosAires_Dawg - December 12, 2010
yeah. he had a guy colliding with him as he threw it
davus - December 12, 2010
he’s playing better than I expected.
BuenosAires_Dawg - December 12, 2010
Run D is such straight crap today.
SpecialBrownie - December 12, 2010
Are they goingbto get four yards on every run?
JustBob - December 12, 2010
wow, doh!!
findlaybrownslover - December 12, 2010
Oh **** me sideways. That was a pick!
BuenosAires_Dawg - December 12, 2010
jeezol petes.
davus - December 12, 2010
this is completely speculation…could Daboll be let go at the end of the season..maybe..just maybe McDaniels be brought in as the OC
Internalfire48 - December 12, 2010
Please God no McDaniels
Roger Dorn - December 12, 2010
Yes to firing Daboll, no to McDaniels.
RelapsingDawgCatcher - December 12, 2010
If we fire Daboll, everyone will shit all over the next OC until we get a real QB.
Roger Dorn - December 12, 2010
Yup, guilty as charged.
BuenosAires_Dawg - December 12, 2010
Colt.
Didn’t mean to imply that Daboll was the only part of the puzzle that needed changed, though….
RelapsingDawgCatcher - December 12, 2010
No one was calling for Daboll to be fired when the offense wasp laying well under Colt is my point.
Roger Dorn - December 12, 2010
Gotcha.
RelapsingDawgCatcher - December 12, 2010
No McD. Plus we have Hillis.
North Coast Flea - December 12, 2010
nice blitz
findlaybrownslover - December 12, 2010
Boom goes the blitz. Good job!
BuenosAires_Dawg - December 12, 2010
Nice stop
bross09 - December 12, 2010
Damn, I thought Wright might get called for roughness
Simmsinns - December 12, 2010
I SCREAMED the exact same thing. Totally unnecessary shove.
DaveDawg09 - December 12, 2010
punting! good job defense.
davus - December 12, 2010
C’mon Cribbs!
Simmsinns - December 12, 2010
Does Bubba have a book tatooed on his arm?
JustBob - December 12, 2010
Alright ladies, let’s get to work!
BuenosAires_Dawg - December 12, 2010
at least its nice to see us pres in short yardage situations
johnnyphoenix - December 12, 2010
Time to try to get Watson involved off of playaction after we run it a bit.
Chris Pokorny - December 12, 2010
Ok, we did it once. NOW RUN!
Simmsinns - December 12, 2010
Time to run the ball?
Heavysoviet - December 12, 2010
That first drive in a FG has me thinking bad karma type of stuff. Sort of like a mixed XP to the third power.
realmccoy - December 12, 2010
Even Sheen commercial are unbearable.
Simmsinns - December 12, 2010
lions D stout today against the fudge packers!
findlaybrownslover - December 12, 2010
Take the lead!
emily522 - December 12, 2010
Wow, still no run?
Inexcusable.
SpecialBrownie - December 12, 2010
Delhomme is 70% passing today. Not good enough?
Roger Dorn - December 12, 2010
that was a terrific play from a terrible player.
BuenosAires_Dawg - December 12, 2010
Because we ran all on the first drive. Percent is skewed.
SpecialBrownie - December 12, 2010
How does running skew a QB’s completion percentage?
Roger Dorn - December 12, 2010
Thought that percent was pass/run.
SpecialBrownie - December 12, 2010
Because we ran all on the first drive. Percent is skewed.
SpecialBrownie - December 12, 2010
Because we all ran on the first drive. Percent is skewed.
emily522 - December 12, 2010
8-yard gains are nice.
JulioBernazard - December 12, 2010
I like the idea of involving Watson.
JulioBernazard - December 12, 2010
Gaining yards and getting Watson involved? Inexcusable.
North Coast Flea - December 12, 2010
Wow, look at those seats.
emily522 - December 12, 2010
What the hell is this?
Simmsinns - December 12, 2010
Wow, Watson was wide open.
emily522 - December 12, 2010
Good run.
emily522 - December 12, 2010
RUN!
Simmsinns - December 12, 2010
Nope.
emily522 - December 12, 2010
NOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
Simmsinns - December 12, 2010
That should be Daboll’s job.
Simmsinns - December 12, 2010
F*cking retarded.
We have three yards to go, Hillis averages 6 yards…
Simmsinns - December 12, 2010
thats a good point. Its not a bad playcall though but bad execution by delhomme.
bross09 - December 12, 2010
Now, it’s not a bad play call, because bad is far to light a term. It was an absolutely awful play call.
Simmsinns - December 12, 2010
I didn’t catch until chris pointed out that there were no routes over the middle. that makes it not a good playcall…but I don’t disagree with the decision to pass.
you point out hillis’ ypc and I can point out JDs high comp % today to that point.
bross09 - December 12, 2010
Please offensive apologists, keep talking.
SpecialBrownie - December 12, 2010
Let’s take a vote. Who wants more of SB’s bitching?
Roger Dorn - December 12, 2010
Yow.
emily522 - December 12, 2010
He mad.
SpecialBrownie - December 12, 2010
I.
SpecialBrownie - December 12, 2010
nobody
BuenosAires_Dawg - December 12, 2010
uh, no
findlaybrownslover - December 12, 2010
Not me.
Chris Pokorny - December 12, 2010
Nay.
North Coast Flea - December 12, 2010
Not sure this is a proper use of democracy, myself.
RelapsingDawgCatcher - December 12, 2010
Cool it, you two. Same side.
Heavysoviet - December 12, 2010
SB picks a different dancing partner every week.
BuenosAires_Dawg - December 12, 2010
I started nothing, once again.
SpecialBrownie - December 12, 2010
Yeah… you never start anything.
North Coast Flea - December 12, 2010
Not I.
emily522 - December 12, 2010
buuuuuuuh!
SpecialBrownie - December 12, 2010
like the aflac goat says, nah…nah…nah!
findlaybrownslover - December 12, 2010
WHY THE FUCK WOULD YOU THROW IT!!?!?!?!?!
Heavysoviet - December 12, 2010
bad call. stuckey was held
davus - December 12, 2010
Horrible playcall with five wide to not have any route in the middle.
Chris Pokorny - December 12, 2010
Don’t tell Dorn, he’ll cuse at you.
SpecialBrownie - December 12, 2010
very good point. did not notice that about the routes.
bross09 - December 12, 2010
Delhomme was also staring at Stuckey all play long, didn’t even look at other options.
BuenosAires_Dawg - December 12, 2010
Horrible playcall
with five wide to not have any route in the middle.to not run the ball on 3rd and 3.Simmsinns - December 12, 2010
Nice stick by Ward on the return.
JulioBernazard - December 12, 2010
Is it an unwritten rule that Bills vs. Browns must be an ugly game? I’m sensing a pattern here.
emily522 - December 12, 2010
Bills vs. Browns must be an ugly game. It is written.
johnnyphoenix - December 12, 2010
Del Homie looked pizzed after the 3rd down play.
JulioBernazard - December 12, 2010
Ryan needs to walk over to delhomme and daboll and smack their heads together and remind them that they either stop being dumbf*cks and get their act together or they’re both out on their asses.
johnnyphoenix - December 12, 2010
ryan hasn’t been great either
davus - December 12, 2010
His defense has been carrying this team for god knows how long.
johnnyphoenix - December 12, 2010
Not in this game though.
North Coast Flea - December 12, 2010
true, but today? the bills have only punted once. fitzpatrick has been breaking off long runs. they keep getting torched on third down
davus - December 12, 2010
Here’s the problem: Buffalo has a running and passing game. We have a run game, but no passing game.
emily522 - December 12, 2010
And have trouble defending both consistently.
JustBob - December 12, 2010
That and Fitz averaging 10+ yards a carry on the ground. Mobile QB for the win.
RelapsingDawgCatcher - December 12, 2010
Here’s the problem: We are not running the ball.
Admittedly, the Bills are playing good offense, but we are capable of out scoring them, even with them playing at this level.
Simmsinns - December 12, 2010
If that was the answer, we would have a TD right now.
JustBob - December 12, 2010
We could have but the play calling prevented it.
Simmsinns - December 12, 2010
You mean going for the FG after the running game faltered?
JustBob - December 12, 2010
I don’t see why I’m getting called out. While I may be a little overzealous, what I’m saying is merited by the Browns terrible play.
SpecialBrownie - December 12, 2010
Well, me and Simms are doing our fair share of criticizing. But you say something after almost every play that goes wrong. That’s all.
emily522 - December 12, 2010
“Please offensive apologists, keep talking.”
BuenosAires_Dawg - December 12, 2010
Very true, but the offense is terrible for God knows what reason.
SpecialBrownie - December 12, 2010
it’s just annoying. But never mind. Let’s watch the game.
BuenosAires_Dawg - December 12, 2010
Yeah. Stuff like that…
emily522 - December 12, 2010
This is what did it I think.
Simmsinns - December 12, 2010
Yeah, we get it: don’t bring it up every single comment.
Chris Pokorny - December 12, 2010
Bad spot.
JulioBernazard - December 12, 2010
Can we learn to defend the screen play please?
HenryDawg - December 12, 2010 via mobile
we can even try one every so often…I think.
johnnyphoenix - December 12, 2010
Good D!
emily522 - December 12, 2010
saint bernard!!
findlaybrownslover - December 12, 2010
Nice one, Marcus!
RelapsingDawgCatcher - December 12, 2010
Ok. Our defense is keeping us into this game. We just need an actual offensive drive.
emily522 - December 12, 2010
Amen.
RelapsingDawgCatcher - December 12, 2010
Run Hillis, and get a COUPLE nice throws by Delhomme. Just take the lead.
emily522 - December 12, 2010
Benard!!!
JulioBernazard - December 12, 2010
Need Hillis to do his banzai charges now.
Heavysoviet - December 12, 2010
UNLEASH THE RHINO
JulioBernazard - December 12, 2010
UNLEASH THE RHINO
JulioBernazard - December 12, 2010
UNLEASH THE RHINO
Simmsinns - December 12, 2010
Free the beast.
North Coast Flea - December 12, 2010
Release the kraken!
Simmsinns - December 12, 2010
emily522 - December 12, 2010
UH OH…
emily522 - December 12, 2010
Phew!
emily522 - December 12, 2010
whew!!
findlaybrownslover - December 12, 2010
He recovered it.
BuenosAires_Dawg - December 12, 2010
UNLEASH THE RHINO
JulioBernazard - December 12, 2010
make that boy look like he jacked off an elephant, give him some stick-um!!
findlaybrownslover - December 12, 2010
Man. Golan’s point about our ball handling stands strong. Lucky we kept that one.
RelapsingDawgCatcher - December 12, 2010
This is something that can be improved on.
Simmsinns - December 12, 2010
YES!
emily522 - December 12, 2010
Run the ball on third and three! He didn’t learn anything last drive?
Simmsinns - December 12, 2010
what about a screen on 3rd and short…theyre coming every time.
johnnyphoenix - December 12, 2010
1st down. Delhomme saved by the refs
BuenosAires_Dawg - December 12, 2010
i’ll take it!
davus - December 12, 2010
And that’s why they aren’t giving it to Hillis as much. He almost lost his second fumble.
emily522 - December 12, 2010
I know what Hillis needs to work on this off-season.
JulioBernazard - December 12, 2010
Hillis almost loses it AGAIN.
emily522 - December 12, 2010
And again…
BuenosAires_Dawg - December 12, 2010
Rhinos don’t have thumbs.
JustBob - December 12, 2010
MAkes so much sense now
Roger Dorn - December 12, 2010
jeezol petes.
davus - December 12, 2010
That was not a fumble. Forced by the ground.
Simmsinns - December 12, 2010
This is getting ridiculous.
RelapsingDawgCatcher - December 12, 2010
mike bell?
davus - December 12, 2010
Yay, first down! Nice second effort. JUST HOLD ONTO THE BALL.
emily522 - December 12, 2010
Come on Peyton, we’re with you.
BuenosAires_Dawg - December 12, 2010
OH.
MY.
GOD.
HOW DID CRIBBS GET THAT BACK?
emily522 - December 12, 2010
Oh my lord! Now Cribbs fumbles!
BuenosAires_Dawg - December 12, 2010
I know what Hillis must work on this off-season.
JulioBernazard - December 12, 2010
The one two plays ago was forced by the ground, but your point still stands.
Simmsinns - December 12, 2010
he should ask tiki barber
davus - December 12, 2010
Gee, I wish we were capable of throwing the ball.
emily522 - December 12, 2010
jeeezz, they were waiting on that!!
findlaybrownslover - December 12, 2010
I’m at a loss for words.
Simmsinns - December 12, 2010
dang man. lots of fumbles
davus - December 12, 2010
Is it possible to throw it beyond the first down marker?
emily522 - December 12, 2010
We’ll be punting probably. I have no confidence in us to get a 3rd and 16 converted.
emily522 - December 12, 2010
Do we really have to fumble every time we touch the goddamn ball?
DaveDawg09 - December 12, 2010
get four yards back?
findlaybrownslover - December 12, 2010
sigh
BuenosAires_Dawg - December 12, 2010
YIKES! That playcall was ridiculously stoopit.
JulioBernazard - December 12, 2010
Looked like Hillis tried to take that one and fucked everything up.
North Coast Flea - December 12, 2010
Chris was right about the team and rainy conditions.
Roger Dorn - December 12, 2010
I came to watch a game, not a circus. This is crazy.
Heavysoviet - December 12, 2010
I keep hearing Han Solo saying he has a bad feeling about this.
JustBob - December 12, 2010
Wow. Browns look totally out of sorts.
JulioBernazard - December 12, 2010
Hey guys, went to get some Chili, what have I missed?
SpecialBrownie - December 12, 2010
3 fumbles on a same drive
BuenosAires_Dawg - December 12, 2010
Well, if that punt return is any indication…
SpecialBrownie - December 12, 2010
about 3 fumbles and an AMAZING recovery by Cribbs.
North Coast Flea - December 12, 2010
Oh, really.
SpecialBrownie - December 12, 2010
Serious comedy of effing errors.
RelapsingDawgCatcher - December 12, 2010
Mmhmm, mhmm.
SpecialBrownie - December 12, 2010
Or all in one word: ineptitude.
North Coast Flea - December 12, 2010
a punt
findlaybrownslover - December 12, 2010
The Browns dropping some chili all over the field.
JulioBernazard - December 12, 2010
that dont smell like chilli son!
findlaybrownslover - December 12, 2010
What will Daboll dial up for 3rd and 16 to go?
JulioBernazard - December 12, 2010
Take a chance and hope for PI
Roger Dorn - December 12, 2010
Could we at least get the Bills to muff this?
JustBob - December 12, 2010
What not at least try to go for the first down? Legitimate question, I’m seriously wondering if anyone might have an explanation why we don’t at least try to go for the first down when we’re losing 10 to 6?
Simmsinns - December 12, 2010
Delhomme.
RelapsingDawgCatcher - December 12, 2010
I’m starting to wonder whether Delhomme might also mean useless, drive killing checkdown as well as pick 6.
Simmsinns - December 12, 2010
This.
Can’t wait for Colt to get back.
emily522 - December 12, 2010
we would not have done anything differently under those conditions with Colt.
notthatnoise - December 12, 2010
Very hard to know that.
RelapsingDawgCatcher - December 12, 2010
Yup.
emily522 - December 12, 2010
It’s even harder to say anything would have been different. McCoy has played more conservatively than Delhomme, in fact, that’s why people like him better.
notthatnoise - December 12, 2010
I’m more confident in McCoy’s ability to throw the ball than Delhomme personally.
emily522 - December 12, 2010
Also, his mobility helps a lot.
emily522 - December 12, 2010
THIS
burntorangeandbrown - December 12, 2010
I still think the odds of converting a 3rd and 16 are so low that it doesn’t make a difference.
notthatnoise - December 12, 2010
that’s not the point. the point is that he seems to make more conservative decisions.
notthatnoise - December 12, 2010
He moves the chains. Delhomme hasn’t done crap all day except one duck of a throw for 34 yards.
emily522 - December 12, 2010
third and SIXTEEN
notthatnoise - December 12, 2010
I’m not even talking about 3rd and 16! I’m talking about this entire game!
emily522 - December 12, 2010
that’s not what I thought we were talking about:
notthatnoise - December 12, 2010
Ah, yeah it looks like that. Sorry, I’m being unclear. I’m replying to the “Delhomme” part and am just talking about the entire game.
I do realize 3rd and 16 is tough to convert of course.
emily522 - December 12, 2010
Jake chose a dubious checkdown. Plus, he’s afraid (as am I) of throwing yet another pick 6 to kill our game. Also, as Emily said above, I trust Colt’s arm and decision making more than Jake’s. That’s all.
RelapsingDawgCatcher - December 12, 2010
Probably hoping for a defensive score.
Chris Pokorny - December 12, 2010
Field position, but that didn’t really work too well, either.
JulioBernazard - December 12, 2010
there’s a whole quarter left, it’s 16 yards, the ball is wet, it’s 16 yards.
notthatnoise - December 12, 2010
Who was open? Remember, he has limited protection with ST. Claire in there.
JustBob - December 12, 2010
Valid point.
Simmsinns - December 12, 2010
the hell is this shit?
notthatnoise - December 12, 2010
Delhomee-led football, with a heavy dose of poor defense.
JulioBernazard - December 12, 2010
^ Delhomme
JulioBernazard - December 12, 2010
please, this can hardly be put on Delhomme, he’s not the one dropping the ball all over the field.
notthatnoise - December 12, 2010
he’s also not the one who got stuffed three times on the goal line.
notthatnoise - December 12, 2010
A big fat THIS, but some still think every time we’ve passed that we should have run…
North Coast Flea - December 12, 2010
I was convinced it’s the offensive playcalling, but there is definitely a lot more to it than that.
Simmsinns - December 12, 2010
I’m not sure what exactly is going wrong, it just looks like poor execution all around. I think it’s hardly fair to blame it on Delhomme. If people are going to blame one player, at this point it’s Hillis.
notthatnoise - December 12, 2010
The guy has over 5 yards per carry, and only lost one fumble, same as Delhomme. And hasn’t killed as many drives as Delhomme/Daboll.
Simmsinns - December 12, 2010
he’s put the ball on the ground three times and is lucky to have only lost one. Also, until someone can tell me how this is Delhomme’s fault I’m not gonna bother with that crap.
notthatnoise - December 12, 2010
I don’t blame Delhomme directly. He doesn’t have receivers that can get open. And I guess, it’s not his fault he sucks, maybe.
It’s on Daboll. Definitely not on Hillis. If you want to claim fumbles, well he lost just as many as Delhomme, the other didn’t affect the drive at all, and the other one was forced by the ground but went in the boxscore as a fumble anyway. And we recovered the groundforced fumble also.
How the hell do you think it’s on Hillis more than anyone else?
Simmsinns - December 12, 2010
His fumble was crucial after the big turnover and excellent field position.
Roger Dorn - December 12, 2010
And Delhomme’s fumble wasn’t crucial? It gave them a virtually guaranteed FG, possible TD.
Simmsinns - December 12, 2010
When did I say that it wasn’t?
Roger Dorn - December 12, 2010
When did I say that you said it wasn’t?
Last I read it was a question.
Simmsinns - December 12, 2010
The only comment I made was that Hillis’s fumble was critical. Then you brought up Jake. That’s a straw
Roger Dorn - December 12, 2010
I brought it up and asked a question. I never made a claim that your position was anything. No straw.
Simmsinns - December 12, 2010
Delhomme’s fumble also wasn’t his fault.
notthatnoise - December 12, 2010
he fumbled when we were already in field goal range, he is possibly responsible for the fumbled reverse.
notthatnoise - December 12, 2010
It seems to me that you’re reaching, hard.
I’m not buying it. Hillis might be the only thing on this offense that is worth a damn. (Also some of our o-line, and Vickers. )
Simmsinns - December 12, 2010
Like I said, it is in no way his fault we’re losing this game, but he’s the only individual who you could possibly make that argument for
notthatnoise - December 12, 2010
No way.
Simmsinns - December 12, 2010
Keep making that Hillis over Delhomme argument for fault.
Simmsinns - December 12, 2010
?
notthatnoise - December 12, 2010
I’m just not convinced that if it’s more on Hillis than Delhomme.
Personally, I’ll agree it’s on the whole team, but definitely not most on Hillis.
Simmsinns - December 12, 2010
And coaching.
Simmsinns - December 12, 2010
Hillis brought some real positives today to go with his errors. At least there’s some balance with him.
RelapsingDawgCatcher - December 12, 2010
Hillis is solely responsible for the browns not having at least 3 more points. Delhomme is not.
notthatnoise - December 12, 2010
Yeah… It’s Delhomme’s fault the line can’t block today…
North Coast Flea - December 12, 2010
Haha, yeah put this on Hillis.
Simmsinns - December 12, 2010
I’m not putting it all on Hillis. That’s the point. It’s not one player’s fault, and if it is, it’s definitely Hillis over anyone else.
notthatnoise - December 12, 2010
I completely disagree. If it is one person’s fault, it’s definitely Daboll over anyone else.
Simmsinns - December 12, 2010
I agree with this.
burntorangeandbrown - December 12, 2010
I’m inclined to agree, but it’s hard to know.
notthatnoise - December 12, 2010
don’t worry guys, buffalo has been finding a way to lose all season.
davus - December 12, 2010
So have we. At least the first half of the season.
North Coast Flea - December 12, 2010
Sadly, this is also true.
Simmsinns - December 12, 2010
My God, what in the hell happened on that reverse anyway?
Just awful execution.
burntorangeandbrown - December 12, 2010
Never should’ve been called.
JulioBernazard - December 12, 2010
The call was good, Hillis tried to take the ball is what it looked like to me, and it all went downhill from there. That being said maybe Delhomme tried to hard to sell the fake.
North Coast Flea - December 12, 2010
There’s no reason to funk around ten yards behind the LoS in crud weather.
JulioBernazard - December 12, 2010
Trickeration is our strong hand.
North Coast Flea - December 12, 2010
our ball now, jerks.
discoinferno083 - December 12, 2010
Just about nothing has worked so far. What can the team do to win?
BuenosAires_Dawg - December 12, 2010
run the entire clock, punch it in for a td.
or a long bomb/screen pass for a long gain/TD.
discoinferno083 - December 12, 2010
I bet we’ll try a deep wheel route with Hillis at one point.
Chris Pokorny - December 12, 2010
Has Vickers been blocking for Hillis?
JustBob - December 12, 2010
Yes.
North Coast Flea - December 12, 2010
give you three guesses if we’re utilizing vickers or not…
discoinferno083 - December 12, 2010
Actually we are.
North Coast Flea - December 12, 2010
I can’t watch it. What seems to be the problem, are the receivers not getting open, is it the play calling, Delhomme, the fumbles, what?
champion64 - December 12, 2010
Lack of execution on key plays, 3rd downs.
Roger Dorn - December 12, 2010
Everything.
JulioBernazard - December 12, 2010
Everything. Can’t pin it on one person. This is a team effort to lose.
North Coast Flea - December 12, 2010
Playcalling, bad defense, playcalling, fumbles, playcalling, Delhomme
Simmsinns - December 12, 2010
This.
emily522 - December 12, 2010
yes.
johnnyphoenix - December 12, 2010
agh, the dreaded 3rd and 3
davus - December 12, 2010
Wow. Just… wow.
emily522 - December 12, 2010
Oh good, lets pass on every down now.
DaveDawg09 - December 12, 2010
Against the 32nd ranked run defense.
DaveDawg09 - December 12, 2010
either we are sillies, or it’s all rigged.
discoinferno083 - December 12, 2010
Refs just saved us a TD
Bernie19Kosar - December 12, 2010
They’re challenging it.
emily522 - December 12, 2010
What happened
Roger Dorn - December 12, 2010
Delhomme may have fumbled. They’re calling it an incompletion, but Buffalo challenged it.
emily522 - December 12, 2010
Delhomme was stripped of the ball, refs called it incomplete.
BuenosAires_Dawg - December 12, 2010
challenging whether his arm was moving forward
davus - December 12, 2010
it was an INC.
North Coast Flea - December 12, 2010
wow. :-/
please help us, defense.
discoinferno083 - December 12, 2010
Can they challenge that?
BuenosAires_Dawg - December 12, 2010
Yes.
JulioBernazard - December 12, 2010
Avalanche time.
JulioBernazard - December 12, 2010
Joe…um…Joe…
johnnyphoenix - December 12, 2010
Blah. Crappy weather, crappy fantasy day, and a crappy game.
emily522 - December 12, 2010
Ya, im about to take a loss in fantasy playoffs. Sat Torain and Garcon, two guys who deserved to be on the bench but blew up.
Roger Dorn - December 12, 2010
is HIllis in the rhinohouse for fumbling?
JulioBernazard - December 12, 2010
They blew the whistle before Buffalo picked up the ball, didn’t they? You can’t award a team the ball after the whistle blows it dead…?
Chris Pokorny - December 12, 2010
that’s what I’m wondering. I thought these things can’t be challenged.
BuenosAires_Dawg - December 12, 2010
Ed Hochili rule.
SpecialBrownie - December 12, 2010
Yup.
Simmsinns - December 12, 2010
I didn’t think so either, but otherwise I don’t know why they would challenge.
notthatnoise - December 12, 2010
Well we are the Browns, the officials don’t follow rules when calling out game. See Winslow, Kellen or Johnson, Kevin.
North Coast Flea - December 12, 2010
I am still mad about that Winslow Arizona game.
Roger Dorn - December 12, 2010
What really kills Buffalo is that they had an easy scoop return TD, but the whistle killed the play.
Bernie19Kosar - December 12, 2010
Looks like they will score an easy TD anyway.
Simmsinns - December 12, 2010
Soooooo…
Joe Thomas getting beat by a Buffalo lineman is an extreme microcosmic of this game.
SpecialBrownie - December 12, 2010
He’s had some bad games this year.
JulioBernazard - December 12, 2010
Delhomme sucks. Freakin’ terrible. McCoy better be back next week.
emily522 - December 12, 2010
oh come on, how is that his fault?
notthatnoise - December 12, 2010
I’m talking about the entire game.
emily522 - December 12, 2010
fair enough.
notthatnoise - December 12, 2010
boo!
davus - December 12, 2010
Buffalo has the ball at the 23. Game?
BuenosAires_Dawg - December 12, 2010
I think I’ve said this every week for 2 seasons, and I don’t care if I’m repeating myself or sounding to neagtive – BENCH DELHOMME AND FIRE DABOLL RIGHT NOW.
DaveDawg09 - December 12, 2010
“too negative”, sorry.
DaveDawg09 - December 12, 2010
Tell me how that was Delhomme’s fault. Please.
SpecialBrownie - December 12, 2010
He doesn’t make decisions fast enough, can’t see the entire field and has no scrambling or roll out ability. Good enough for ya?
DaveDawg09 - December 12, 2010
not good enough. he didn’t let someone blow right past him.
notthatnoise - December 12, 2010
Agreed – but he doesn’t seem to have that “pocket sense” that Colt was exhibiting so well before the injury.
DaveDawg09 - December 12, 2010
delhomme is playing bc of injuries.
discoinferno083 - December 12, 2010
Because they should have been providing pass protection?
JustBob - December 12, 2010
Overturned for people not watching. Buffalo’s ball on like our 20 yard line.
emily522 - December 12, 2010
HOW THE FUCK!?!?!?!?!?!
North Coast Flea - December 12, 2010
13-6….we come back and win.
discoinferno083 - December 12, 2010
or block the kick.
discoinferno083 - December 12, 2010
WRONG.
FFS
LondonBrown - December 12, 2010
JoeT was schooled on that play.
JulioBernazard - December 12, 2010
Can someone tell me how Buffalo is awarded the ball…
SpecialBrownie - December 12, 2010
scroll up, bro. or are toy just venting?
discoinferno083 - December 12, 2010
you*
discoinferno083 - December 12, 2010
What are you talking about. The whistle’s blew before the ball was grabbed from anyone. I do not understand how they get the ball.
SpecialBrownie - December 12, 2010
rigged-FL.
discoinferno083 - December 12, 2010
Because Buffalo clearly recovered the football. It doesn’t matter if the whistle blew.
Bernie19Kosar - December 12, 2010
WTF YES IT DOES!
You hear the whistle blow, you stop playing. Are you serious?
SpecialBrownie - December 12, 2010
Dude, its the rule.
I don’t understand why you are freaking out.
Bernie19Kosar - December 12, 2010
It is not the rule.
SpecialBrownie - December 12, 2010
It’s been the rule since 2006.
Seriously.
Link.
Bernie19Kosar - December 12, 2010
I’m pretty sure SB is right here. once the whistle blows thats it. you can’t assume someone would have recovered a fumble.
notthatnoise - December 12, 2010
Exactly. If you hear a whistle blow, you no longer pursue.
SpecialBrownie - December 12, 2010
They changed the rule a couple of years ago. If there is a clear fumble recovery after the whistle blows, it counts.
bbstirrd - December 12, 2010
Exactly.
It is a rule to cover the ass of officials who blow the whistle too early on fumbles. This is nothing new.
Bernie19Kosar - December 12, 2010
Yeah, unless this is some unwritten rule I’ve never heard of, once the whistle blows the play is dead and it was recovered after the whistle.
North Coast Flea - December 12, 2010
The rule was changed such that if it’s clear that a team recovers a fumble, they get possession.
Roger Dorn - December 12, 2010
So laym.
JulioBernazard - December 12, 2010
that is a terrible, awful rule. I’m talking miles worse than the QB protection rules. That is unfathomable to me. I can’t believe that rule exists.
notthatnoise - December 12, 2010
Yeah I feel the same way.
North Coast Flea - December 12, 2010
Its actually a good rule that rewards a team even if a ref makes a poor call.
Bernie19Kosar - December 12, 2010
Uh, no it isn’t.
SpecialBrownie - December 12, 2010
Of course you think it’s stupid.
You didn’t even know it 3 minutes ago.
Bernie19Kosar - December 12, 2010
What does that even mean?
SpecialBrownie - December 12, 2010
no, it’s an awful rule. I really don’t see how any argument to the contrary. once the whistle blows, players stop playing. how can you punish players for obeying the rules?
notthatnoise - December 12, 2010
You see players going for the potential fumble recovery all the time after the whistle. They know the rule and they play accordingly
bbstirrd - December 12, 2010
Always pick up the football.
It’s that easy. If there is even a .00000001% chance it is a fumble, pick it up. You don’t have to hit anyone, the ball is right there. Pick it up.
Bernie19Kosar - December 12, 2010
then they need to amend the rules to say the play ends five seconds after the whistle.
notthatnoise - December 12, 2010
Let’s say the Browns caused a fumble, but the refs whistled it dead, even though we clearly recovered it.
That is somehow better?
Bernie19Kosar - December 12, 2010
yes. it’s a bad call, but those happen. a bad rule is a bad rule.
notthatnoise - December 12, 2010
The rule erases a bad call.
I can understand why people don’t like it, I just believe it saves more bad calls/ bad football in the end.
Bernie19Kosar - December 12, 2010
I can’t agree with that. that rule creates bad calls. when half of the players stop at the whistle, like they’re supposed to, and get penalized for it, the rule can’t possibly be good.
notthatnoise - December 12, 2010
I agree with this all the way.
bross09 - December 12, 2010
No, that rule is flat out awful, and not knowing about it has nothing to do with that. What good is the whistle if it doesn’t actually matter? Just keep hitting and you may recover a fumble…
North Coast Flea - December 12, 2010
It’s so laym.
JulioBernazard - December 12, 2010
Nothing counts after the whistle blows.
North Coast Flea - December 12, 2010
Scroll up and read my reply to CP, I saw this coming a mile away. The refs do not follow rules when calling Browns’ games. See Winslow, Kellen or Johnson, Kevin. Funny thing is we were clinging to the last threads of playoff hopes in both those games too.
North Coast Flea - December 12, 2010
Whoa nice ankle tackle there.
emily522 - December 12, 2010
Looks like Sheldon broke his arm.
SpecialBrownie - December 12, 2010
brown looks like he tore his bicept!
findlaybrownslover - December 12, 2010
Huge hold. Fuckers.
BuenosAires_Dawg - December 12, 2010
These announcers don’t know any of our players names on defense. Professional.
Simmsinns - December 12, 2010
Well 7-9 is even looking unlikely now. Darn. : /
emily522 - December 12, 2010
call the hold!
JulioBernazard - December 12, 2010
These refs are missing some big calls and skewing the rules terribly.
SpecialBrownie - December 12, 2010
?
JulioBernazard - December 12, 2010
emily522 - December 12, 2010
The sky is falling.
Simmsinns - December 12, 2010
emily522 - December 12, 2010
is there an injury TO happening right now?
discoinferno083 - December 12, 2010
nm.
discoinferno083 - December 12, 2010
Great hit by Ward
Bernie19Kosar - December 12, 2010
bowens…..is not moving!!
findlaybrownslover - December 12, 2010
Bowens knocked out cold.
Simmsinns - December 12, 2010
good lord….it rains it pours….who hit him?
discoinferno083 - December 12, 2010
Looks like the other defender landing on his head/neck?
JulioBernazard - December 12, 2010
Up and walking off. Good news.
RelapsingDawgCatcher - December 12, 2010
Uh oh. Bowens knocked out cold.
BuenosAires_Dawg - December 12, 2010
Todays threads feel like they belong on cleveland.com
Browns town - December 12, 2010
most of the game threads do. i’ve been kinda knee-jerky as well though…
davus - December 12, 2010
You could cry “CLEVELAND.COM
” on any game thread.
It’s a liveblogging, of course it is knee jerk.
Simmsinns - December 12, 2010
You’ll have to excuse us. We’re watching the Browns’ worst game of the season, buddy.
BuenosAires_Dawg - December 12, 2010
Oh please. What – is it unfair to criticize when they are playing absolutely horribly?
DaveDawg09 - December 12, 2010
Apparently, to some, yes it is.
Simmsinns - December 12, 2010
this better provide a spark. We need to stop getting pushed around and start breaking some heads.
discoinferno083 - December 12, 2010
If I’m buffalo, I go for it here.
dgcambridge - December 12, 2010
they won’t.
discoinferno083 - December 12, 2010
good
dgcambridge - December 12, 2010
Browns haven’t proven they can score a TD today, take the 7 pt lead all day.
Roger Dorn - December 12, 2010
Any update on Dbow?
Roger Dorn - December 12, 2010
He seems to be okay. Announcers say he got up and walked on his own.
emily522 - December 12, 2010
That was great to hear.
JulioBernazard - December 12, 2010
We’re down by a TD. Plenty of time. Come on, Brownies!
emily522 - December 12, 2010
well thats a good sign!
findlaybrownslover - December 12, 2010
rally caps.
(McCoy, please? :( )
discoinferno083 - December 12, 2010
He may be ready to go next week.
emily522 - December 12, 2010
this is where jake delhomme returns to cardiac cats form
davus - December 12, 2010
oh god no, dont put him in panic mode!! weve seen what he can do then!
findlaybrownslover - December 12, 2010
Bell is so slow
BuenosAires_Dawg - December 12, 2010
Carson Palmer with another pick 6
bbstirrd - December 12, 2010
poor guy.
they’d be in the game, otherwise.
discoinferno083 - December 12, 2010
Throwing another Delhomme? Damn.
Simmsinns - December 12, 2010
Run AND HANG ONTO the gatdang ball.
JulioBernazard - December 12, 2010
yeah, keep doing that
davus - December 12, 2010
3rd and 3 again. eek
davus - December 12, 2010
Here comes the blitz
JustBob - December 12, 2010
CRAP!
emily522 - December 12, 2010
Oh and no defenseless receiver hit? Shocked.
SpecialBrownie - December 12, 2010
3 and out. Christ.
BuenosAires_Dawg - December 12, 2010
royal!! >:(
davus - December 12, 2010
I doubt Watson would have hung on to that. He got crushed.
Bernie19Kosar - December 12, 2010
I cannot comprehend why we are not just running all over these guys. Of course, we cannot exploit the worst run D in the league.
SpecialBrownie - December 12, 2010
Because the Bills don’t respect the deep pass.
Their defense is packed inside a 10 yard buffer range.
When you don’t throw deep, the defense doesn’t have to defend it. we are fighting with a hand tied behind our back.
Bernie19Kosar - December 12, 2010
Yes
Roger Dorn - December 12, 2010
a corner named reggie corner? ha
davus - December 12, 2010
catch the ball!
dgcambridge - December 12, 2010
Now can we hav e a pick six? Please?
JustBob - December 12, 2010
Buffalo would be dumb to throw
Roger Dorn - December 12, 2010
maybe they can catch our fumblitis
notthatnoise - December 12, 2010
On third down?
JustBob - December 12, 2010
Call the clip.
JulioBernazard - December 12, 2010
okay….pin em or turnover…do it.
discoinferno083 - December 12, 2010
our run defense has been embarrassing.
notthatnoise - December 12, 2010
oh come on, they haven’t been that bad.
BuenosAires_Dawg - December 12, 2010
against Buffalo’s OLine, this is awful. their center has never played the position before, and their right guard is some guy off the street.
notthatnoise - December 12, 2010
big down here
davus - December 12, 2010
who’s in the buff?? lol
findlaybrownslover - December 12, 2010
Yeah, I’m trying not to picture Criqui announcing in the nude.
JulioBernazard - December 12, 2010
GREAT HIT
BuenosAires_Dawg - December 12, 2010
Huge hit there.
Alright. Still have time…
emily522 - December 12, 2010
BIG PLAY ABE!!!
davus - December 12, 2010
Nice one, Abe.
RelapsingDawgCatcher - December 12, 2010
alright, now THIS is where jake delhomme returns to cardiac cats form…
davus - December 12, 2010
ha.
discoinferno083 - December 12, 2010
Abram!!!
JulioBernazard - December 12, 2010
We have a short field to work with now. Let’s get that TD and tie this game.
BuenosAires_Dawg - December 12, 2010
…Cribbs. That was barely a tackle.
SpecialBrownie - December 12, 2010
Oh, look. A 2 yard Hillis toss.
SpecialBrownie - December 12, 2010
But we should only be running it… all game…
North Coast Flea - December 12, 2010
i really wish we would throw it more than 1 yard pass the los!
findlaybrownslover - December 12, 2010
We can’t do jack shit on offense today.
BuenosAires_Dawg - December 12, 2010
Really was a fumble.
JustBob - December 12, 2010
He never had possession.
North Coast Flea - December 12, 2010
That summarizes the game.
emily522 - December 12, 2010
what the fuck!!!!
findlaybrownslover - December 12, 2010
Oh my God.
BuenosAires_Dawg - December 12, 2010
Nope, not Jake’s fault at all.
RelapsingDawgCatcher - December 12, 2010
his arm was hit as he threw, so correct.
notthatnoise - December 12, 2010
You really like Jake, eh?
RelapsingDawgCatcher - December 12, 2010
Yeah… it’s his fault the line can’t block today…
North Coast Flea - December 12, 2010
no, I can’t wait for McCoy to be healthy, but I’m disgusted by how quickly people start criticizing the guy for absolutely no legitimate reason.
There are plenty of good reasons to rag on the guy. stick to those.
notthatnoise - December 12, 2010
For the most part, I’m not convinced we haven’t.
RelapsingDawgCatcher - December 12, 2010
the fumble and pick were not Delhomme’s fault. the offensive ineptitude in general was not completely Delhomme’s fault. and yet, many people here are convinced that with a different QB all of our problems would be solved.
notthatnoise - December 12, 2010
I wouldn’t say that. Delhomme’s QB rating today was 49.2 though, and that last pick I do consider something he shares the blame for.
RelapsingDawgCatcher - December 12, 2010
can I get your reason as to why he shares blame for that pick?
notthatnoise - December 12, 2010
Lack of awareness of the pressure, lack of mobility to evade it at all.
RelapsingDawgCatcher - December 12, 2010
watch that play again, and tell me where the hell he was supposed to go. he almost got swallowed up by the entire bills defense.
notthatnoise - December 12, 2010
I promise to check the replay when I have access to it.
RelapsingDawgCatcher - December 12, 2010
I will too, I could be misremembering the play entirely.
notthatnoise - December 12, 2010
I looked at it again. He didn’t have room to step up, you were correct there.
Bernie19Kosar - December 12, 2010
the dumpoffs were his fault. the decision to throw the dumpoff when hillis was pretty heavily covered was his fault. Some of his decisions on passes (like the deep pass to royal who sucks when they showed in the replay that Momass was more open a yard pass the 1st down marker) are his fault.
These are IMO the “good reasons to rag on the guy” as you said. Even if these plays are made, we still probably lose, but we would at least have a better shot at winning. He was not the reason we lost but some of his decisions did contribute to it.
bross09 - December 12, 2010
I mostly agree with this. I’m not sure to what degree the dump offs are his fault, but he certainly takes some of that.
notthatnoise - December 12, 2010
I also am not sure. maybe our guys weren’t getting open deep. It is still upsetting to see so many dumpoffs and poor decision making. The only 2 I can conclusively blame were the play where I saw MoMass somewhat open (for a 1st) and he passed it so Royal who sucks, and the play at the end of the 1st half. Maybe there were guys guarded downfield on the latter play, but then force it in. I would rather him try to force it deep in that situation than take a 3 yard dumpoff.
bross09 - December 12, 2010
this is worthy of a rec – maybe should be green.
Spidey - December 12, 2010
To be fair, the rush was coming from his frontside. He needs to throw that ball earlier or step up in the pocket.
I’m not saying St. Clair didn’t get manhandled, but Delhomme needs to be better in that spot.
Bernie19Kosar - December 12, 2010
he could have thrown it earlier, but there was no pocket to step in to.
notthatnoise - December 12, 2010
It would be nice if he had some mobility.
RelapsingDawgCatcher - December 12, 2010
I agree in general, but I don’t think it would have helped on that play.
notthatnoise - December 12, 2010
I mean, I don’t see how you say that a INT is not at all the QBs fault unless it was a perfect throw and a drop by the WR. It was still mostly just a great play.
bross09 - December 12, 2010
Lack of protection, it was a quick pass and he still got popped.
North Coast Flea - December 12, 2010
…yes, and a lack of protection. I guess I don’t agree with the notion that he shold get 0% of the blame. I think he should get some, but not a lot. If I remember correctly, it seemed like he held onto the ball for a little while and maybe could have gotten it out earlier.
bross09 - December 12, 2010
I mean yeah, he made the decision to throw when he was getting hit, but I still blame the O-line way more than him for that one.
North Coast Flea - December 12, 2010
I agree with you on that one…Thats why I said he doesn’t deserve much of the blame, but deserves some.
bross09 - December 12, 2010
Alright, I’m outta here. Time to go read Harry Potter…
emily522 - December 12, 2010
Wise move. Enjoy!
RelapsingDawgCatcher - December 12, 2010
I haven’t had time to re-read the 7th, so a month long Christmas break is the perfect time!
emily522 - December 12, 2010
So, am I still a marked man or whatever?
SpecialBrownie - December 12, 2010
I think TDSH said it best when he said we up to, and unfortunately down to our opponents.
Simmsinns - December 12, 2010
VERY much so.
it’s pathetic.
discoinferno083 - December 12, 2010
I said that in this thread, he may have before though.
North Coast Flea - December 12, 2010
Oh, my bad, it was you who said that.
Simmsinns - December 12, 2010
Whew. Terrible call.
JulioBernazard - December 12, 2010
cool.
thanks, Jake, Daboll, etc…
thanks buffalo.
discoinferno083 - December 12, 2010
You forgot to thank our offensive line.
JustBob - December 12, 2010
You have to thank Peyton “I can’t hold on to the ball” Hillis too.
North Coast Flea - December 12, 2010
meh. he just needs to protect.
discoinferno083 - December 12, 2010
Wow.
JustBob - December 12, 2010
Sadly true. Team goat effort.
RelapsingDawgCatcher - December 12, 2010
that throw sucked
davus - December 12, 2010
his arm was hit.
notthatnoise - December 12, 2010
Our offensive line has been manhandled by the fucking Buffalo Bills.
DaveDawg09 - December 12, 2010
we’ve been pushed around up front on both sides of the ball.
notthatnoise - December 12, 2010
Pretty sickening for a team that is supposed to be built for physical December football.
DaveDawg09 - December 12, 2010
4 minutes to go and we call 3 passes.
DaveDawg09 - December 12, 2010
Daboll has no clue.
JulioBernazard - December 12, 2010
rec.
discoinferno083 - December 12, 2010
“How do you explain this offensive performance?”
-Jim Donovan, BRNRelapsingDawgCatcher - December 12, 2010
Jake Delhomme
JamesPowell - December 12, 2010
False.
North Coast Flea - December 12, 2010
It’s like working with dynamite, the only question is when.
JamesPowell - December 12, 2010
Ewf.
JulioBernazard - December 12, 2010
ok, that’s the game. Speechless. 2009 bad.
BuenosAires_Dawg - December 12, 2010
2009 bad is exactly right.
dgcambridge - December 12, 2010
No it isn’t, this is 99 bad.
North Coast Flea - December 12, 2010
Welp,
see ya guys next season.
discoinferno083 - December 12, 2010
game: blouses
bbstirrd - December 12, 2010
I don’t think Mangini comes back next year.
SpecialBrownie - December 12, 2010
This didn’t help. Gonna need to beat BAL, PIT or maybe both.
bbstirrd - December 12, 2010
Yep.
SpecialBrownie - December 12, 2010
I’m not going to call for his job, personally.
But I’m definitely wondering whether Holmgren is willing to keep him.
Simmsinns - December 12, 2010
Also, yep.
SpecialBrownie - December 12, 2010
I think we go after Gruden.
emily522 - December 12, 2010
I will call for Daboll’s – over and over again. At this point I’d welcome McDaniels as OC with open arms.
DaveDawg09 - December 12, 2010
How is it Mangini’s fault that McC was hurt?
JulioBernazard - December 12, 2010
He wouldn’t be the first HC fired because of bad luck
Bernie19Kosar - December 12, 2010
You’re saying was completely suck because McCoy isn’t playing…
SpecialBrownie - December 12, 2010
That’s a question that Holmgren will have to weigh.
Simmsinns - December 12, 2010
…Or fujita…or why its his fault his OC sucks…or his fault for the cribbs injury, etc…
I think it will be daboll gone. only scoring 6 against a team that averages giving up almost 28 is COMPLETELY inexcusable.
bross09 - December 12, 2010
this is a bit of an overreaction. i think after a game like this, he will have to choose between him and daboll. Even if we win another 1-2 games, I think daboll will likely be gone, which will save manginis job.
bross09 - December 12, 2010
nfl gamecenter paints a pretty picture:
davus - December 12, 2010
So why no offense? Play calling or something else?
champion64 - December 12, 2010
Play calling, bad QB play, bad running game, no pass D, no run D, and our best return was from Mike Bell.
North Coast Flea - December 12, 2010
Playcalling, lack of execution, turnovers.
JulioBernazard - December 12, 2010
Hillis is averaging over 5 yards a carry, I think the first drive helped to show that if we had run the ball, we wouldn’t be having this discussion about what went wrong.
Simmsinns - December 12, 2010
He needed to hang onto it on the 2nd drive. That fumble changed the whole game.
JulioBernazard - December 12, 2010
we passed the ball 20 times and ran 25.
notthatnoise - December 12, 2010
That stat is skewed due to the first drive.
SpecialBrownie - December 12, 2010
ROFL. Where have I heard that before???
Spidey - December 12, 2010
Yup, it’s 20 pass to 16 run after the first drive. That is awful.
Simmsinns - December 12, 2010
you can’t just do that though. If you want to do that I can start taking out pass-heavy drives to even it out.
notthatnoise - December 12, 2010
THIS
North Coast Flea - December 12, 2010
It would be about the context in which you are referring to them.
I thought the first drive’s run-to-pass playcalling ratio was fine, that’s why we made it to the goalline.
Thus, I liked the playcalling on that individual drive. (I’d have preferred to go for it on 4th though)
An every other individual drive, I think the ratio didn’t involve enough running.
What’s wrong with that? Essentially that is just a more in depth explanation of “Yup, it’s 20 pass to 16 run after the first drive. That is awful.”
Simmsinns - December 12, 2010
but if you take out the couple last minute drives where we would have been insane to not pass, the ratio is still heavily skewed to running the ball. I feel ok taking those drives out because they aren’t indicative of the overall game plan.
notthatnoise - December 12, 2010
I see what your saying, I still think we could have run the ball more despite the total run/pass ratio.
There were key third and shorts and other situations that just seemed crazy not to run… and we didn’t run. Bottom line, Daboll isn’t good.
I’m not sure if you’ll agree or not there, but if not, at this point we’ll have to agree to disagree.
Simmsinns - December 12, 2010
and there were times in the 2nd half when we passed on 1st down and either got a dumpoff screen or an incomplete, so we are passing twice in a row and passing on and 8-10…It seemed like whenever we passed from 2nd and 8, it would be an incompletion and whenever it was 2nd and 10, it was a short 2 yard dumpoff. and of all our 1st down pass plays (I remember probably about 5), I remember only one PA pass.
I agree, the playcalling was puzzling.
bross09 - December 12, 2010
taking out the first drive, it’s 20-18. I also see no reason to take out the first drive. by that logic, we could say “take out the last drive” and then it would be 17-18
notthatnoise - December 12, 2010
Ok Bross…
North Coast Flea - December 12, 2010
yep. The playcalling is not good. Daboll seemed to panic and abandon hillis, not great blocking, Delhomme making bad decisions…
bross09 - December 12, 2010
It wasn’t anything huge.
The Browns ran the ball right down Buffalo’s throat to begin the game. Buffalo stacked the box and brought their entire defense inside of 10 yards of the LOS. The Browns couldn’t make them pay deep. We lose.
Bernie19Kosar - December 12, 2010
Mostly playcalling, partly sh*tty WRs, partly sh*tty QB.
Simmsinns - December 12, 2010
Let us not forget the protection against a terrible line.
BuenosAires_Dawg - December 12, 2010
:( we lost..
jpmxch - December 12, 2010
Isn’t it ironic that our season ends on a Delhomme interception?
Worst player EVER
Luke C - December 12, 2010
Go away.
SpecialBrownie - December 12, 2010
you’re an idiot.
notthatnoise - December 12, 2010
See Anderson, Derek; Brady, Quinn; Garcia, Jeff; Dilfer, Trent… in other words, Hyperbole.
North Coast Flea - December 12, 2010
Go root for Buffalo, Denver, or Arizona.
JustBob - December 12, 2010
At least I have Skyrim to look forward to.
SpecialBrownie - December 12, 2010
, I’ve got nothing.
I thought I had Monday to look forward to, but the whole thing kinda just went in the ****er I think. And I’ve already paid for pre-sale tickets.
Simmsinns - December 12, 2010
Christmas is 13 days away. Keep your chin up buddy.
Bernie19Kosar - December 12, 2010
I couldn’t have been happier before this game started, Hillis signing Monday after he shreds the Bills, I thought.
I probably should still be looking forward to it, but I don’t know, just feels extremely sh*tty now.
Simmsinns - December 12, 2010
I have a lot to look forward to, so I’m doing okay. I think 6-10 is the best we can do at this point.
emily522 - December 12, 2010
I’m sticking with my 10 win prediction.
golanbatrac - December 12, 2010
Hang strong!
Simmsinns - December 12, 2010
over two seasons of course.
notthatnoise - December 12, 2010
well…we did it already. 10 wins over 2 seasons under mangini.
bross09 - December 12, 2010
That is what I call positive thinking.
burntorangeandbrown - December 12, 2010
At least I have finals to look forward too…
bross09 - December 12, 2010
Ouch. I actually have three finals (1 due by midnight) as well.
Simmsinns - December 12, 2010
Same.
SpecialBrownie - December 12, 2010
I just found out my online class has an online final instead of going to Tri-C to get a proxy. I still have 2 other live finals and a make up test. Plus, I have to look for a job b/c I will be unemployed in a month.
bross09 - December 12, 2010
I’m done :)
emily522 - December 12, 2010
thats pretty awesome. I can’t wait till I am done. It will feel so relaxing.
bross09 - December 12, 2010
We better pray for 70 and sunny the next few weeks.
golanbatrac - December 12, 2010
Anything the coaching staff said about being prepared for the elements is bullshit. This team was completely unprepared.
BuenosAires_Dawg - December 12, 2010
I think it’s clear at this point that Hillis is a fair weather back.
golanbatrac - December 12, 2010
And that’s extremely sad.
SpecialBrownie - December 12, 2010
He coughed it up in good weather, too, didn’t he?
JulioBernazard - December 12, 2010
Not like that he didn’t.
North Coast Flea - December 12, 2010
How about a little coaching? Might help just a bit.
burntorangeandbrown - December 12, 2010
I’m pretty sure he’s been coached numerous times on how to hold the ball. I think at this point he’s either going to do it or he isn’t.
notthatnoise - December 12, 2010
And nine times out of ten, he has both hands on the ball when it comes free. It isn’t like he’s carrying it away from his body. He just cant seem to keep it tucked away (especially in wet weather).
golanbatrac - December 12, 2010
Indeed.
RelapsingDawgCatcher - December 12, 2010
Peyton’s fumbling problem is getting scary.
notthatnoise - December 12, 2010
Good coaching can help remedy fumbling tendencies.
I think the fact that they haven’t taught Peyton to stop hurdling is telling.
burntorangeandbrown - December 12, 2010
who says they haven’t?
notthatnoise - December 12, 2010
If they have, why does he continue practicing for the olympic hurdling team?
burntorangeandbrown - December 12, 2010
Today was his first fumble on a hurdle. Why would they coach it out of him so long as it’s effective and he protects the football?
golanbatrac - December 12, 2010
Because eventually he is going to cough the ball up, kill himself, or both.
burntorangeandbrown - December 12, 2010
The same could be said of his tendency to fight for every last inch. Should they coach him to drop at first contact?
golanbatrac - December 12, 2010
(see below)
burntorangeandbrown - December 12, 2010
you’re actually safer in the air. you’re more likely to injure your legs with your feet firmly planted on the ground. that’s why some receivers jump when they catch passes over the middle.
notthatnoise - December 12, 2010
I think the bottom line is its just not necessary for him to do the hurdling act.
He can do plenty of damage without taking that risk.
burntorangeandbrown - December 12, 2010
AP had fumble problems. Maybe he needs more coaching.
emily522 - December 12, 2010
The worst performance out of this team this season – by far. Unprepared. No fire. No heart. Pathetic. Intolerable. Inexcusable. Disgusting. Anyone care to join in?
DaveDawg09 - December 12, 2010
That’s life.
Spidey - December 12, 2010
I’m in sober depression, I don’t want to talk.
SpecialBrownie - December 12, 2010
YOU SHOULD BE SOBER MORE OFTEN!! LOL
findlaybrownslover - December 12, 2010
Niice
Spidey - December 12, 2010
I did not get to watch it at all (maybe that made me luck) SO I am relying on reading the comments. Was it just a bad game or was it the team has no play makers outside of Hillis? A true analysis of Delhomme play today?
champion64 - December 12, 2010
D. ALL OF THE ABOVE!
findlaybrownslover - December 12, 2010
Did you ever see Brady Quinn play for the Browns?
That was Delhomme.
Bernie19Kosar - December 12, 2010
Ouch. And yet….
RelapsingDawgCatcher - December 12, 2010
Quinn sucked, but I’ll give him credit for leaving with some class.
emily522 - December 12, 2010
Way ahead of DA, that’s for sure.
RelapsingDawgCatcher - December 12, 2010
Yes. Quinn never bashed the Browns coaching, blamed them for not giving him a big enough opportunity, etc. Now, it’s not like I would want him back here, but I’ve got respect for him.
emily522 - December 12, 2010
everybody was bad. no way to sugar coat it.
notthatnoise - December 12, 2010
Disgusting game.
JulioBernazard - December 12, 2010
Exactly – the entire team and coaching staff deserves the blame in this one. Nobody could have possibly performed any worse than anybody else in this one.
DaveDawg09 - December 12, 2010
No one could hold on to the ball.
golanbatrac - December 12, 2010
There was nothing good to say about the way the the Browns played today, and IMHO the coaching staff is ultimately responsible for what took place on the field today.
burntorangeandbrown - December 12, 2010
Even Hillis was ineffective. I think I summed it up quite well in my reply to you up above:
North Coast Flea - December 12, 2010
Don Carey with an INT.
SpecialBrownie - December 12, 2010
lions just beat the packers!
findlaybrownslover - December 12, 2010
Cats and dogs living together!!!
Spidey - December 12, 2010
Mass Hysteria
North Coast Flea - December 12, 2010
And the Delhomme bashing begins on my facebook feed.
Idiots.
SpecialBrownie - December 12, 2010
Look, I don’t care about whether its 15% his fault or 80% his fault. But if Wallace is healthy next week, I start him instead.
dgcambridge - December 12, 2010
Absolutely.
BuenosAires_Dawg - December 12, 2010
Ditto, but I believe we’ve had this conversation here many times, so….
RelapsingDawgCatcher - December 12, 2010
Ugh, whatever. You people cannot be stopped.
SpecialBrownie - December 12, 2010
Back at you ,SB!
RelapsingDawgCatcher - December 12, 2010
what have we seen from seneca wallace to make you think this game would have been any different? more check downs?
notthatnoise - December 12, 2010
No, running out of bound for -2.
SpecialBrownie - December 12, 2010
Or maybe it was overthrowing receivers down the sideline, or maybe running OoB for a 3 yard loss…
North Coast Flea - December 12, 2010
merely saying “overthrowing” is putting it too kindly.
notthatnoise - December 12, 2010
I’m sorry,
fixed.North Coast Flea - December 12, 2010
Are you still holding onto the myth that Delhomme is aggressively throwing for first downs? That’s what Fitzpatrick was doing.
Of course Wallace might also be bad. But Jake is 35. He’s done. He has no future with this team. At least Wallace might be our #2 again.
Why let an old veteran player, who doesn’t appear to be making anyone better, play out the string for a team not making the playoffs? I don’t even know why this is a question.
dgcambridge - December 12, 2010
our WRs disagree (usually, not really today)
notthatnoise - December 12, 2010
more robiskie than our WRs as a whole IMO
bross09 - December 12, 2010
but yeah (sorry to sound like I am disagreeing), he has made players look better.
bross09 - December 12, 2010
Okay, here’s my explanation for Wallace.
He’s done. He has no future with this team.
Why let an old veteran player, who doesn’t appear to be making anyone better, play out the string for a team not making the playoffs? I don’t even know why this is a question.
SpecialBrownie - December 12, 2010
Cut ‘em both. Where’s Ratliff?
RelapsingDawgCatcher - December 12, 2010
In the trunk of my car. He’ll be ready when needed.
golanbatrac - December 12, 2010
Zippy, the emergency backup QB!
RelapsingDawgCatcher - December 12, 2010
Wait, are you talking about Delhomme or Wallace? You can say the same for both.
emily522 - December 12, 2010
Hey, you got the joke…
SpecialBrownie - December 12, 2010
You know you don’t always have to a dick
Bernie19Kosar - December 12, 2010
Wasn’t trying to be. Last person I’d want to be a dick to is Em.
SpecialBrownie - December 12, 2010
then dont act like a douche, there, is that better?!
findlaybrownslover - December 12, 2010
Were the hell did you come from? The hell?
SpecialBrownie - December 12, 2010
Yeah, I almost put a post about not being so patronizing, but I didn’t know if he was kidding or not, so I let it go.
emily522 - December 12, 2010
I was trying to be facetious, sorry.
SpecialBrownie - December 12, 2010
I didn’t think it came off as being a dick. if SB truly made a joke, which i did kinda see, it was a subtle one and he was just commenting (at least it seemed like to me) that he was just stating she was the first one to comment on the content of the joke.
bross09 - December 12, 2010
Very witty. Wallace has better numbers this year and last, and is 5 years younger. Fewer attempts, but then, that’s exactly the point.
dgcambridge - December 12, 2010
Jake’s done, we’re not going to the playoffs, give Seneca the reps if Colt can’t go and see if he improves and can become a serviceable backup. Same logic as always.
RelapsingDawgCatcher - December 12, 2010
That’s all we’re saying.
dgcambridge - December 12, 2010
Well… Wallace was a one year contract, Delhomme will be back next year. I don’t see how Wallace will be our #2 next year.
North Coast Flea - December 12, 2010
Sigh.
RelapsingDawgCatcher - December 12, 2010
Gah, quit it. I expect better from you RDC.
SpecialBrownie - December 12, 2010
Happy to underrun your expectations, SB.
RelapsingDawgCatcher - December 12, 2010
Is it possible to check down more than Delhomme today?
Bernie19Kosar - December 12, 2010
Quinn says yes.
notthatnoise - December 12, 2010
Touche. I wanted to make that joke, but I thought it would have seemed kinda lame since I thought B19K already made a similar one.
bross09 - December 12, 2010
well, maybe a bit more ability to evade the pressure.
bross09 - December 12, 2010
I agree, except if McCoy is healthy he will be the one starting next week.
burntorangeandbrown - December 12, 2010
Oh, absolutely.
RelapsingDawgCatcher - December 12, 2010
Yes, everyone agrees there.
dgcambridge - December 12, 2010
I think (pray) he’ll be healthy.
emily522 - December 12, 2010
Possibly.
emily522 - December 12, 2010
actually, my facebook feed had a few people just saying “well, I’ll just watch the Akron soccer game”.
There was only one person dogging delhomme and someone just went happy gilmore on their status (by that, I mean the scene where he has like 20 seconds all just bleeped out)
bross09 - December 12, 2010
We’re supposed to be a cold weather team.
Didn’t look like we even competed- have to point to finger at the O though. D spent all day on the field and still slowed them down.
LondonBrown - December 12, 2010
when you only give up 13 points, you should win.
notthatnoise - December 12, 2010
Yeah. I got the feeling in the alast quarter we were waiting for the D to score.
LondonBrown - December 12, 2010
Their D is awful, but their offense is actually solid. out of their first 12 games, they were held to less than 2 TDs only 3 times
bross09 - December 12, 2010
I better hear some good explanations in the conferences tonight.
SpecialBrownie - December 12, 2010
…yeah sure.
Mangini: “we have to do a better job.”
Delhomme will take “responsibility” and "apologize. "
That’s about all your gonna get.
johnnyphoenix - December 12, 2010
Was it Delhomme’s incompetence or it would not have matteres who quarterbacked?
champion64 - December 12, 2010
He was a huge part of the problem.
BuenosAires_Dawg - December 12, 2010
Holy shit, no he was not.
SpecialBrownie - December 12, 2010
You delusional.
The coaching staff is scared shitless to let our starting QB throw a deep pass. That isn’t a problem?
He isn’t the only one, but Delhomme handicaps this offense.
Bernie19Kosar - December 12, 2010
But he wasn’t a “huge part of the problem.”
That’s just trying to throw blame on the QB. It’s childish and shows incompetence.
SpecialBrownie - December 12, 2010
Your quarterback is not a part of the problem after this kind of offensive performance? You are delusional.
BuenosAires_Dawg - December 12, 2010
Ah, I like how you just copy B19K there. Good job.
SpecialBrownie - December 12, 2010
I love how you believe you are the center of the world. I’m doing other shit beyond replying to your idiotic posts.
BuenosAires_Dawg - December 12, 2010
*besides
BuenosAires_Dawg - December 12, 2010
Uh, wut?
SpecialBrownie - December 12, 2010
This only makes you look even more childish. And saying Delhomme was a huge part of the problem makes it look like you have a problem paying attention to games for long spans of time.
North Coast Flea - December 12, 2010
I think you fail to see the elephant in the room. If you don’t believe the play of the quarterback was significant in our defeat today, then you just don’t know much about football.
BuenosAires_Dawg - December 12, 2010
BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
SpecialBrownie - December 12, 2010
Oh you got me, SB. Bravo!
BuenosAires_Dawg - December 12, 2010
Wow, you ignore all that went wrong today that wasn’t QB involved and tell me
Dude I think you really do have a problem paying attention to games.North Coast Flea - December 12, 2010
no one said that.
notthatnoise - December 12, 2010
We scored 6 points.
A QB isn’t doing his job if we score 6 points.
How else can I explain it?
Bernie19Kosar - December 12, 2010
Do you need to? It’s like… evident.
BuenosAires_Dawg - December 12, 2010
I agree. disregarding all the problems, we score more than 6 if the QB does his job well. Maybe we only lost 13-10, or it goes into OT and we lost, but its closer definitely.
bross09 - December 12, 2010
I think the design of the offense is just as much to blame.
notthatnoise - December 12, 2010
I think I agree with what you’re saying here, but I’m not sure what exactly you’re saying here.
Simmsinns - December 12, 2010
lol
BuenosAires_Dawg - December 12, 2010
I think that was because the staff is scared to let Delhomme throw deep.
Don’t blame them.
Bernie19Kosar - December 12, 2010
this is the problem with looking at it from a fans point of view. It’s hard to tell who’s really at fault here.
Even if they are just scared of Jake, they have to know you can’t win with that kind of offense, so it’s still partly their fault.
notthatnoise - December 12, 2010
THIS
bross09 - December 12, 2010
You’re grasping at straws here.
North Coast Flea - December 12, 2010
You are ignoring the role of the single most important position in football here. We don’t have a quarterback.
BuenosAires_Dawg - December 12, 2010
And you are searching for reasons to blame Delhomme. Saying he was a huge part of the problem is a vast overstatement completely ignoring our awful pass D, porous run D, awful ST play, and Hillis’ inability to hold on to the ball today. It looks to my you are the one ignoring things sir.
North Coast Flea - December 12, 2010
How many of those 3rd and short plays did he manage to convert?
BuenosAires_Dawg - December 12, 2010
Hillis? one maybe.
notthatnoise - December 12, 2010
And how many times did Hillis get stuffed on the goal line or on 3rd and short?
North Coast Flea - December 12, 2010
I didn’t think our Pass D was awful per se. they weren’t great, but they weren’t particularly awful. Fitzpatrick is also a good QB and we let him have all day at times. I mean, with all their O-Line problems, we had trouble getting into the backfield to stop the run and we had trouble getting to the QB. I think that is more telling of the front 7 than the secondary.
I don’t see the special teams play being Awful. Hodges was good enough for it to be at least upraded to decent. I know we let spiller get a big kick return, but he is a good returner and we weren’t terrible on punts (below average would be a good way to describe it). We also did well when he got the ball on kick returns.
bross09 - December 12, 2010
Our coverage units were bad.
North Coast Flea - December 12, 2010
And so were our returns.
North Coast Flea - December 12, 2010
I disagree. Ryan fitzpatrick was not spectacular. they were not amazing, but its also hard to cover when the rush doesn’t get there and gives fitzpatrick way too much time.
bross09 - December 12, 2010
I’m not talking about our secondary.
North Coast Flea - December 12, 2010
okay. I see, coverage units. Returns were not too great but they haven’t been all that great all year. Outside of that one squib, I saw no significant problems. Coverage unit was I would say league average. If our coverage performed like that all year, we would be maybe a click or two below average (at worst). CJ spiller is a good returner and we have been spoiled b/c our coverage teams are great every week. I don’t see them as contributing anything significant to the loss.
bross09 - December 12, 2010
no, no, no. Nobody has said Jake doesn’t get a share of the blame for this awful game. we’re just saying there’s plenty of blame to go around, but people find it convenient to only blame the QB.
notthatnoise - December 12, 2010
it wouldn’t have made a difference.
notthatnoise - December 12, 2010
probably not…it might have made a difference but if I had to bet on it, we still lose if he is a bit better.
bross09 - December 12, 2010
In dispute. Reasonably, it’s certainly a team loss, but Jake didn’t help his case much today.
RelapsingDawgCatcher - December 12, 2010
It was the very essence of a team loss, don’t listen to all the Delhomme haters that love to lump undue blame. He didn’t play great today but it was by far not all on him.
North Coast Flea - December 12, 2010
I think he is part of the problem.
When you have a QB that either can’t, or the coaching staff won’t allow to, throw deep, you have a massive issue.
Delhomme threw three passes over 10 yards that I can remember. One was a duck caught by MoMass, one was incomplete to Watson and one was picked.
Why would you respect that as a defense?
Bernie19Kosar - December 12, 2010
I agree with you, I just think there’s plenty of other blame to go around.
notthatnoise - December 12, 2010
Damn straight.
Bernie19Kosar - December 12, 2010
Nice.
Simmsinns - December 12, 2010
Yeah, today Delhomme was just one of many problems.
LondonBrown - December 12, 2010
See, and so do I. It’s just a question of proportion, I think.
RelapsingDawgCatcher - December 12, 2010
The one that was picked was the O-line’s fault, he got hit as he threw because of awful blocking.
North Coast Flea - December 12, 2010
I posted it elsewhere, St. Clair is horrible, this I admit, but when a rush is coming in your frontside, you as the QB need to get rid of the ball, or move around the pocket, before the rush gets there. That part is his fault.
He should know better as a veteran.
Bernie19Kosar - December 12, 2010
There was nowhere to go, they hit him like the Tsunami hit Asia, quick, hard, and without much warning.
North Coast Flea - December 12, 2010
and in that situation, even in a game like this, want him to take the sack. I didn’t have my cpu at the time so wasn’t involved in the game thread but I did yell out’ “NOO TAKE THE SACK” even before the INT is thrown. If you can’t get a good pass off, just fall on the ball; keep posession.
bross09 - December 12, 2010
and if the pocket is collapsing, just take a sack instead of trying to force it when getting hit. its the Rhonde Barber pick all over again, except this time, the pressure was coming from the frontside.
bross09 - December 12, 2010
This.
Buffalo won because they have a decent passing game and running game. We just have a running game.
emily522 - December 12, 2010
This had more to do with coaching than Jake Delhomme.
burntorangeandbrown - December 12, 2010
What an ugly game. Oh well, bring on the BenGals.
Heavysoviet - December 12, 2010
F@ck the browns, F@ck paul brown, F@ck jim brown, hell f@ck UPS and anything else brown….
athensdawg - December 12, 2010
Flag.
Simmsinns - December 12, 2010
the game just ended, i swore, but still tried to make a joke. grow up…
athensdawg - December 12, 2010
If it was just a joke, you didn’t make that apparent. My bad.
Simmsinns - December 12, 2010
i’m very passionate, very upset, who was that on the field today? my apologies for cussing out our legends…
athensdawg - December 12, 2010
I am too. I just didn’t realize it was a joke.
Simmsinns - December 12, 2010
i included UPS you know “go brown”, bad joke, my bad. getting condolences from my kids, feeling much better now. again didn’t mean to ruffle any feathers
athensdawg - December 12, 2010
Fair enough.
Simmsinns - December 12, 2010
we cool? i haven’t posted for awhile, but do check in everyday. the fields are frozen now, the greenhouses are closed up, now have time to get on the computer.
GO BROWNS!!!
athensdawg - December 12, 2010
Yup.
GO BROWNIES!
Ehhh, I’m still depressed though.
Simmsinns - December 12, 2010
You love the Browns?
You cool then.
Bernie19Kosar - December 12, 2010
i’m wearing browns gear head to toe, my front porch is loaded with flags and banners, my grandpas team, my papas team, my team, my kids team.
athensdawg - December 12, 2010
I thought it was pretty funny.
golanbatrac - December 12, 2010
Perhaps you may like it better here.
North Coast Flea - December 12, 2010
you stop it, that’s why i’m here…
athensdawg - December 12, 2010
I didn’t realize it was a joke when you said it.
North Coast Flea - December 12, 2010
i do post there sometimes, but that site can be depressing and combative
athensdawg - December 12, 2010
You are either a glutton for punishment or have a high pain threshold than. hahaha
North Coast Flea - December 12, 2010
F@ck you, I love meatloaf.
Bernie19Kosar - December 12, 2010
This comment proves it could be much, much worse here.
No regular is this bad.
Simmsinns - December 12, 2010
McFadden has come around nicely.
Simmsinns - December 12, 2010
He has been awesome.
You would think Mike Bush would be elsewhere next year.
Bernie19Kosar - December 12, 2010
MJD says, “hey not so fast.”
Simmsinns - December 12, 2010
I have been watching this game as well today.
Made the snoozer that the Browns are tolerable.
Bernie19Kosar - December 12, 2010
Hopefully the snowy NE @ CHI is good.
Simmsinns - December 12, 2010
That is what I have on, as well as the Saints and Chiefs game.
Bernie19Kosar - December 12, 2010
Normally I’d put the NFL Redzone stream on, but I’m just feeling really lazy.
Simmsinns - December 12, 2010
Thank god I didn’t start the Oakland D. Not a great game for them. I did start the pats so I am watching that game and its a good one.
bross09 - December 12, 2010
My dad’s a Raiders fan. He’s had a rough day with both of these losses.
emily522 - December 12, 2010
The only positive is that I had Fred Jackson on my fantasy team…I know, I know, F$*K you go root for buffalo. I am just depressed and trying to find some positive for today. If this week keeps playing out like it is, I actually might make the playoffs in the UDBNL.
bross09 - December 12, 2010
Playoffs were already determined.
SpecialBrownie - December 12, 2010
I don’t think so. There are 2 spots open and if Drexel Dawg loses, and I win, I am in. Drexel Dawg, Me, and Brown note are tied at 8-5. If I beat Brown note, and drexel dawg loses, I will be ahead of both and be 4th. Right now I love CJ2K
bross09 - December 12, 2010
Haha, good thing you caught that one. It definitely would have been coming otherwise.
Simmsinns - December 12, 2010
POST-GAME THREAD HERE
Chris Pokorny - December 12, 2010
Where’s the draft day thread? Can we go straight there?
LondonBrown - December 12, 2010
Argh. If I wasn’t a drinking man, I’d sure start!
RelapsingDawgCatcher - December 12, 2010
So a bad overall performance and we look to next week? Delohomme have any shot at starting if Wallace and McCoy can go?
champion64 - December 12, 2010
You must Login with your SB Nation account and be a member of Dawgs By Nature to post a comment.