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New England Patriots vs. Cleveland Browns: Positional Breakdown & Notes

The Patriots have had a lot of success this year, evidenced by their NFL-best 6-1 record. Will the Browns be able to pull off another upset?

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The Patriots have had a lot of success this year, evidenced by their NFL-best 6-1 record. Will the Browns be able to pull off another upset?

After a bye week over Halloween, the Cleveland Browns are back and set to take on perhaps their toughest competition of the season: the New England Patriots. With several Super Bowl wins under his belt, the Patriots have compiled the league's best record at 6-1. Eric Mangini will face Bill Belichick for the first time as a coach of the Browns, and he features a team that is coming off an impressive victory over the New Orleans Saints. Some have compared the Browns' current roster to the type of roster you'd see in New England. Does Cleveland have the tools now to defeat New England though?

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Here are some notes heading into the game, followed by my positional breakdown and prediction for the game:

  • After the bye week, players have had a chance to get healthy. Here is the 8-man inactive list I anticipate the Browns having against New England: QB Jake Delhomme, QB Brett Ratliff, RB Thomas Clayton, WR Carlton Mitchell, TE Alex Smith, OL John St. Clair, OL Steve Vallos, and DL/LB Jayme Mitchell (still would like to see him in there).
     
  • Don't be alarmed if you hear, "...and Demetrius Williams makes the catch for Cleveland." Remember, when the Browns waived Yamon Figurs heading into the bye, they signed Williams, a former receiver for the Baltimore Ravens. Williams has a lot of speed and should be considered more of a receiving threat than Figurs was. Williams has had two weeks to practice with the team, and if he looked more impressive than someone like Brian Robiskie and Carlton Mitchell, I don't think Eric Mangini would hesitate to immediately shoot him up on the depth chart. That is all speculation on my part though, and nothing more.
     
  • I know that Peyton Hillis said he felt good heading into the Saints game, but with him having the extra week off, you have to imagine he feels really good right now. Having Mike Bell in the game seems like a lost down -- we should remove his touches and give them to Joshua Cribbs from the Wildcat instead. The last time Cribbs was in the Wildcat, he got concussed by James Harrison though.
     
  • Linebacker David Bowens will never have the type of game he did against the Saints again. However, that doesn't mean he can't contribute to getting in the vision of Tom Brady at the line of scrimmage. Before his interceptions, I think he had a couple of balls batted down this year.
     
  • Even though there is film on what the Browns did to New Orleans defensively now, I'd love to see Cleveland come out with similar defensive looks. I think it's the best way to cause pre-snap confusion for an opposing quarterback, and when the ball is snapped there's a higher chance that a free blitzer will be able to shoot in.
     
  • If Matt Roth is lined up on tight end Aaron Hernandez this week, will he be able to stay with him in coverage? That might end up being a key matchup for the Browns' defense, as Hernandez can cross the field quickly.
     
  • I don't have anything against Danny Woodhead or anything, but I'd love to see him get a carry and then get plowed over by Matt Roth or Scott Fujita behind the line of scrimmage. Between defending Hernandez and Woodhead, the linebackers will be busy in pass coverage.

Position-by-Position Breakdown

Pos Adv  Reason
QB - This positional advantage doesn't really need to be dignified: everyone knows how good of a quarterback Tom Brady is. While he did ten times over a three-game span prior to him facing the Vikings, he is deadly when he has a lot of time to throw. It's hard to imagine the Browns' defense being able to confuse both Brees and Brady back-to-back.
 
Colt McCoy will make his third consecutive start at quarterback for Cleveland. This will be his first home game, so it'll be fun to see if that gives his production a boost. He'll also be facing the weakest secondary he'll have encountered.
RB - While the Patriots have been successful at running the football, I still hesitate to officially deem it as a strength on their team. I think they accumulate more yardage by catching defenses off guard with good play calls, rather than being able to "wear down a defense." BenJarvus Green-Ellis has yet to have a 20-carry game this year, and he's been held to a 2.2 yards per carry average in three of his games.
 
Danny Woodhead is a good utility player, but my hunch is that the 5'9" back won't do much on the ground. Peyton Hillis' carries have been down as of late, having only 10, 12, and 16 carries over his past three games. Over the bye week, and at home, hopefully offensive coordinator Brian Daboll finds a way to get Hillis hot early.
WR - It'll be interesting to see Wes Welker against the Browns' defense, because the receivers that have burned Cleveland have done so via the deep route (something Welker isn't known for). The receivers haven't been as productive since Randy Moss left, but Deion Branch's prior experience with Brady makes him a suitable replacement for their system.
 
New England might take some shots deep to rookie Brandon Tate, given Cleveland's struggles at defending the deep pass. Aaron Hernandez has also been a great receiving threat
at the tight end position. When it comes to Cleveland's receivers, I've almost settled on the fact that all we should expect is a heavy dose of Ben Watson, Peyton Hillis, and Chansi Stuckey, none of whom are the team's starting wideouts.
OL - With Logan Mankins ending his holdout this week and just being placed on the active roster, it's probably safe to assume that he'll start in his first game back. That gives the Patriots a boost on an already-performing offensive line.
 
The Browns will make a game-time decision of who to start at right guard between Billy Yates and Shawn Lauvao, both of whom reportedly took snaps with the first-team offense in practice. The Patriots don't feature many pass rushers that our offensive line can't handle.
DL - How good was Shaun Rogers against the Saints? He was the only down lineman at times, and yet was right in the face of Drew Brees, forcing bad throws. That leads me to believe that he's healthy and motivated for the time being, especially coming off a bye week. Having him at full strength evens this unit up with the Patriots, who have Vince Wilfork at nose tackle.
LB - I haven't seen the Patriots linebackers play a lot, but with 86 combined tackles, Jared Mayo is by far the Patriots' leading tackler. They don't have a great pass rusher here, which should play to the advantage of Colt McCoy. Cleveland's linebackers have been very opportunistic as of late and seem to be finding their niche (i.e. Scott Fujita, David Bowens, Matt Roth, and Marcus Benard).
DB - I was impressed with the play of our safeties against the Saints. I'd like to see Abram Elam and T.J. Ward have the opportunity to play back and then come up to make a play again when the Browns aren't bringing an all-out blitz. Hopefully Eric Wright has been able to shake off some of his struggles over the bye week, because Tom Brady and the Patriots' offense pick the right times to attack deep.
 
The Patriots feature two starting safeties without much starting experience, if any, prior to this season in Devin McCourty and and Kyle Arrington. The Patriots rank near the bottom of the league in defending the pass. While I want the Browns to be able to pound it away with Hillis, it will probably tempting to try to attack this unit.
ST - Brandon Tate has been very good for the Patriots on kickoffs this year. Do you know what else has been good? The Browns' coverage units. I haven't seen anyone even come close to having a good return against Cleveland, and until I see that, I'm forced to negate the other team's return game threat.
 
Reggie Hodges is having a Pro Bowl caliber season in my mind, and Phil Dawson has connected on his last nine field goals. We'll see if Joshua Cribbs' lateral throw against the Saints on special teams opens anything up for him in the return game this week.


I used my upset special two weeks ago against the Saints, and I was actually right when Cleveland pulled off the upset. It is tempting to take Cleveland again here, considering they are at home and have had a longer time to plan for this game, but I can't. Many of the positions above show an "even" ranking, but what they don't show is the frustration factor that New England will give the Browns after being able to slowly move the ball down the field and putting points on the board.

FINAL PREDICTION: New England Patriots 28, Cleveland Browns 20.
CHRIS' RECORD IN PICKING BROWNS GAMES: 5-2
CHRIS' OVERALL NFL PREDICTIONS RECORD: 68-49

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Danny Woodhead is a good utility player, but my hunch is that the 5’9" back won’t do much on the ground.

he had over 5 yards a carry against the ravens I believe.

Also, don’t forget that we run a tandem, where Green Ellis splits carry’s with woodhead. And woodhead is a solid runner too.

pretty good write up. (1st paragraph says NO instead of NE, and i think Cribbs got concussed on a kick return..i may be wrong)

particularly coming off the saints win and a bye, this game is intruiging.

are Cribbs and MoMass out?

Cribbs got nailed on an offensive play, not special teams

I was watching at a Buffalo Wild Wings, so hard to pay immediate attention... and it's been a while.......(strange, just really had that assumption nailed in my mind for some reason...oh well.. Harrison's still a bastard)

And borderline delusional, too. I think he really believes his hit on MoMass was clean.

good wording. I was more concerned about the Cribbs hit.
but we’re probably starting to beat a dead horse going back to these issues.

:-/

wonder if he’ll make a stir in the Cincy game?

If the Browns win tomorrow, I may have to go outside and dance in the street. I’ll be surprised if the Browns DEF can stop the Patriots. But, a couple of plays can make all the difference, if the game isn’t close I’d look for turnovers to be the reason.

No worries Chris, I’ll use my upset special for this week. Browns win 24-14. First Browns drive will go for a FG.

… And one of those TDs will be a Josh Cribbs TD from the Wildcat. I’ve just got a spooky good feeling on this one.

unveiled it against to outstanding effect. In the second matchup of that season, the Pats negated the Wildcat through good gameplanning, so I’d have to assume that Hoodie is digging up that second ’Phins playbook to use on Cribbs.

Not trying to be trollish or just a dink

but according to your break down you think the Browns are an even match for the Pats. I understand my bias, and I definitely won’t hold your loyalties against you, but that being said, there is no way these 2 teams are even. At all. Our D line is better than your O-line, our linebackers are stout at worst, especially inside. I’ll give you that maybe they don’tget to the QB as often as they should, but like any Belichick defense they are getting better and better and bringing more pressure each week. I can sorta see your argument as CB as our depth is kinda iffy without Bodden, but McCourty, at least, has already become a shutdown CB and is only getting better. You guys don’t have even one of those. Not to start anything but there is no way this game is even close after the half.

I’m not trying to say anything but this:

Youre D-Line is in absolutely no way better than our O-line.

Say all you want about the right side, our left side picks up the slack. Say whatever you want about anyone you want but the O-line.

I had a reply going, and I was saying the exact same thing, and you beat me to it.

However, I would like to add this: We’ve had quite a bit of success running the ball off the right side this year. Compared to our left side, the right sides is not so threatening, but overall I think our right side is kind of underrated, John St. Clair and all.

Agreed.

Browns have a solid O-Line. If anything, I would have gone after the defensive line as a place where the Patriots are better than the Browns. Not the O-Line though- while I think the Patriots may be a little better as a whole line, the Browns left side is much, MUCH better than the Patriots, so it evens out.

McCourty, at least, has already become a shutdown CB and is only getting better.

Really? Because in terms of DVOA you guys are #26 in the NFL against #1 receivers, and #27 against #2 receivers. If you have a shutdown corner, whom exactly is he shutting down?

Moss had 1 catch for 8 yards last week against Kyle Arrington...

…and Harvin only had 1 catch for 6 yards against McCourty on 5 passes. All of Harvin’s yards came on slants with linebackers on coverage. The corners have played pretty well, but only lately. Opposing receivers gain a lot between the 20s, but a lot of it comes against linebackers and on hitch routes- and a lot of it came early in the season. The defense has become very solid in the red zone and that’s where the “lock down” comes from.

Pats CBs are playing left and right...

So if the opposition moves WRs around – and a lot do – then they’re getting an ideal matchup.

More to the point, the Pats are giving up passes to the inside of the D – slants and inside-curls for the most part. They aren’t allowing passes deep, which is why Randy Moss had exactly one catch for 8 yards last week with Favre slinging it. Harvin was the main receiver, and he did that running slants from the slot through the LB corps. He got yards, sure, but he also got hurt on his first catch (at least, according to Childress), and didn’t score. He also only had 1 catch for 6 yards when matched up against McCourty. In other words, McCourty could and did stop Harvin, just as Arrington could and did stop Moss. It’s just they weren’t tagged onto those guys 1-on-1 all game.

I don’t think Moss’s stats are the best indicator, he was clearly dogging it last week. He could have scored on that pass interference play.

And going by DVOA stats...

Oakland is 30th vs. #1 WRs despite having Nnamdi Asomugha; the Jets with Revis, Cromartie and first-round draft pick CB Kyle Wilson are 17th vs. #1s, 24th vs. #2s and 29th vs. other WRs.

Are Nnamdi Asomugha or Darrelle Revis shutdown corners? By DVOA matchups-by-receiver they supposedly aren’t, but that’s really just a sign that DVOA-by-receiver can be misleading, especially in teams that play Left-, Right- and Slot-CB rather than true #1 and #2.

As a side-note: Devin McCourty’s twin brother Jason is playing CB2 in Tennessee… and Tennessee are ranked first against #2 WRs.

mccourty held brandon marshall to only 50 yards

and he also shut down boldin.

Definitely not guilty of trolling. With the Browns at 2-5 and the Pats at 6-1 it does look odd that the Browns would have the edge in 2 categories, the Pats in 2, and all else even. I think the 2 areas we show the edge are good calls. So basically it comes down to the fact that you have the best QB in the history of football and I think that Bellichek is doing his best coaching job of his illustrious career. I do believe that this Pats team does not have the best talent in the NFL, and is the weakest of all Pats teams that have been “the best in the NFL”

eh... you might say that.

But our offense is much more diverse than that of 01, 03, and 04. We are very young on defense, and late in the season, the defense is showing up big time.

That was the purpose of me including this part:

Many of the positions above show an “even” ranking, but what they don’t show is the frustration factor that New England will give the Browns after being able to slowly move the ball down the field and putting points on the board.

Simply adding up categorical advantages doesn’t mean the teams are equal. And, as always, the projections are very “loose,” considering I don’t have the opportunity to watch your team every week.

Regarding the secondary, I’d imagine that not having Patrick Chung for the second straight week makes the ranking closer to even, but I probably should’ve mentioned that above.

Regarding the rankings too, I’m not comparing your defensive line versus our offensive line directly; it is more so asking, “which team has the better defensive line?” It’s a little different than the type of preview I saw on Pats Pulpit, which does the type of comparison you seem to be referring to.

No worries, I don’t take it as trolling!

The final score prediction is right in line with Vegas line. I’m not trying to troll back, but the high degree of confidence voiced by NE fans and media makes for a big let-down opportunity. The Browns have performed well – and are not pushovers. And have not been blown out by any team (even Pittsburgh on it’s home field was close until the final 5 minutes).

All-in-all, the final prediction appears quite accurate and reflects the realities of these two teams.

No, QB is by far the most important position on the field, so holding a clear and distinct advantage in that area gives your team a massive advantage.

This.

Plus, Chris may have been a little generous to our special teams and linebackers. But that is overcome by the drastic difference in QBs and this positional breakdown omits own of the Pats biggest strengths: coaching.

This whole comment was disproven today.

       Browns, win 24 to 14 ,McCoy, passes for 257 yards, 2 touchdowns, 45 yards rushing, 0 interceptions, we force 3 turnovers, OH, what a game I have planned.
                           NOW, GO OUT AND MAKE OUR DREAMS COME TRUE!

Cribbs as flanker on every down, Hillis to fullback and for better or worse Bell as the tailback. Colt McCoy establishing the run, with a short, medium and long route option on every play. The quickest OLBs and the biggest CBs. First down prerogative over yardage on offense, and defend the line of scrimmage + 20 yards at all times, while favoring man on man competition over lurking cover DBs.

Good Morning Browns Fans. Get used to life without Colt McCoy – Texas petitioned the NCAA for another year of eligibility yesterday. Said it was needed to restore world order.

Ha! Very funny.

Garrett Gilbert is terrible.

“What’s Eating Garrett Gilbert?”

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