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over 1 year ago: CLEVELAND - NOVEMBER 14: Running back Shonn Greene #23 of the New York Jets runs by Eric Barton #50 of the Cleveland Browns at Cleveland Browns Stadium on November 14 2010 in Cleveland Ohio. (Photo by Matt Sullivan/Getty Images)
The opportunities were there for both teams to win the game. Both teams went back and forth, with the Jets screwing themselves with missed field goals and the Browns screwing themselves with a Chansi Stuckey fumble.
After Joe Haden's interception late in overtime, the coaching staff was faced with a tough decision. Backed up with the odds against us to win the game, Cleveland stayed aggressive on first down rather than just running the clock out and settling for a tie. The Browns were forced to punt, and Mark Sanchez continued his solid day with a game-winning touchdown pass to Santonio Holmes on the dreaded slant pattern that I had been fearing all week long.
There were a lot of positives and negatives in this game, but the Browns still played resilient against one of the best teams in football. This wasn't an easy win for the Jets, but they played better than our past two opponents and earned it. It's tough to swallow as a Browns fan, but with a "softer" schedule coming up, hopefully the players on the team can get healthy and continue playing with a chip on their shoulder.
Final Score: Jets 26, Browns 20
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It was a tall order asking the browns to win back-to-back-to-back against 3 of the best teams in the league. What’s redeeming is the fact that they’re putting out a team that fans can actually take pride in, which hasn’t happened in years.
The Licensed Pessimist - November 14, 2010
Excuse me sir, but in light of your username I must ask, are you feeling ill?
Having said that, I agree with your post whole-heartedly.
Monsters of the Midway - November 15, 2010
Yeah, he caught Orange and Brown fever.
North Coast Flea - November 15, 2010
This hurts, really bad. Also, it was Joe Haden with the pick, not Ward.
Browns town - November 14, 2010
Thanks, corrected.
Chris Pokorny - November 14, 2010
Tough break, people. The Pats fans were hoping you'd pull it out.
We’ll see if the Pats can do you people a favour and roll the Steelers later. Head over to PatsPulpit closer to game-time for the game thread if you wish to join in anti-Steeler (or pro-Patriot, if you’re that way inclined) ramblings.
Comedic.Sans - November 14, 2010
Thanks, and best of luck against those folks.
RelapsingDawgCatcher - November 14, 2010
NE 39 – PIT 26…well done
Monsters of the Midway - November 15, 2010
Like I said, at least know Colt can lead us when we need a score. We need to draft a WR for him.
emily522 - November 14, 2010
Right. I’ve seen two mocks with Green falling to us. Might have to draft two of them
The Licensed Pessimist - November 14, 2010
What spot were the Browns picking in these mocks?
Browns town - November 14, 2010
10th
The Licensed Pessimist - November 14, 2010
Hmmm, interesting. I wouldn’t think he’d last that long, but if he did drop to us, that would be awesome.
Browns town - November 14, 2010
I also don’t think we will end up drafting in the top 10. I think we draft between 11-15…maybe even higher if we can pull out a good end to the season. Even then, I would say there is only an outside shot that Green falls to there. He is having an excellent season, plus he would have to run very slow IMO just to last to 10.
bross09 - November 14, 2010
we could also pick up Michael Floyd…
bross09 - November 14, 2010
If he was there, I’d take him. He’s a guy that plays every down. Good blocker.
Western Reserve - November 14, 2010
i would like to see someone like jonathan balwin, i also wish blackmon was eligible this year. that guy i think is better than green
findlaybrownslover - November 14, 2010
We need speed on the outside. great speed =/= great WR but I personally don’t want anyone who doesn’t run above a 4.5 with the first pick at least
The Licensed Pessimist - November 14, 2010
who does that refer to?? and who would you select if green is gone??
findlaybrownslover - November 14, 2010
I’ve seen some mocks having us take Broyles from Oklahoma.
The Licensed Pessimist - November 14, 2010
BPA
Bernie19Kosar - November 14, 2010
I think Baldwin could run close to a 4.5 flat. But I agree, we need someone who can stretch the field. Floyd is the whole package. The only knock on him is the fact that he has been banged up in the past…and some people question his footspeed, though on tape it looks NFL caliber.
bross09 - November 14, 2010
What about Moore?
Every time Evan Moore makes a catch I wonder why this guy is not more involved in the offense. We have seen him wrestle balls away from DBs and then keep going several weeks in a row now. This week against the best “shut-down corner” in the league.
Is he lazy in practice? Has he spoken ill of Daboll’s wife? What am I missing here?
Monsters of the Midway - November 15, 2010
My understanding is that he’s not a particularly good blocker, which is a problem if your position is tight end.
woodsmeister - November 15, 2010
I should have been clearer. Line the guy up as a WR and leave it at that.
Monsters of the Midway - November 15, 2010
Exactly what they did on the final drive, and the results looked good. They even took out Massaquoi for a few plays and had Moore as our X receiver. Revis was lined up against him.
Roger Dorn - November 15, 2010
Yes and with the results he is getting, why doesn’t this happen more?
Monsters of the Midway - November 15, 2010
People here have been wondering this since he was added to our roster.
rufio - November 17, 2010
It isn’t a problem if you throw when the other team covers him with a LB and you run when they cover him with a CB. If he can’t block corners I’d be very, very surprised.
rufio - November 17, 2010
Tough loss. This team plays it’s heart out.
McCoy should start the rest of the year, that should not be a question anymore.
So many if’s and buts. Just wish Dawson would have had a chance to hit a 45 yarder, he would not of missed.
Grockcubs - November 14, 2010
:(
notthatnoise - November 14, 2010
this sucks.
davus - November 14, 2010
Tough loss, in typical Cleveland fashion. If Sanchez throws that ball two yards deeper that Haden picks, it’s a touchback and we at worst tie. I was yelling "Get Down! once Stuckey was about to get hit, can’t really fault him for trying to make a play, but in that part of the field, we likely would have had a couple Hillis runs to set up the game winning field goal.
Roger Dorn - November 14, 2010
Great point about the touchback. Hadn’t even thought of it that way.
Western Reserve - November 14, 2010
Big picture: I the Jets make any of those missed FGs, it’s over anyway.
elsandito - November 14, 2010
I don’t think that’s the big picture. At all.
Western Reserve - November 14, 2010
What game were you watching? The Jets pushed us all over the field in the second half. They did everything but hand us the game there.
elsandito - November 14, 2010
And if just one of our FGs was a TD we’d have won. No point in getting into ifs.
North Coast Flea - November 14, 2010
You can conveniently forget that the Jets forced us off the field for the entire second half. That’s not an if.
elsandito - November 14, 2010
I didn’t say anything about the 2nd half, you got hypothetical and I countered your point. I personally think the fact that we got murdered in TOP and still managed to stay in the game says a whole bunch about our team.
North Coast Flea - November 14, 2010
I hate this type of logic, about jets missing field goals, having a kicker who doesn’t choke is part of having a good football team. That’d why you have to actually kick a field goal and they don’t just award you 3 points.
sww2109 - November 14, 2010 via mobile
And yet somehow didn’t make it mean points.
RelapsingDawgCatcher - November 14, 2010
Exactly our defensive story for a while now, isn’t it?
rufio - November 15, 2010
Exactly.
Western Reserve - November 14, 2010
It’s water under the bridge now, however, After we scored that final touchdown, I started saying, ( I know your supposed to play for the tie at home ) go for two, go for two, we had the momentum, we had Hillis and that toss sweep. Oh,well We were getting our asses kicked all over the field, we won the first quarter, they won every other aspect of the game,except our last drive. I wish we would have tried, to win that game right there.
dawginhouston - November 15, 2010
If Hillis doesn’t fumble, the game could have been ours in regulation. You can do this all day for both sides.
rufio - November 15, 2010
At least we have a QB
I don’t think there is much argument against Colt McCoy being the QB the rest of the year. He’s made few mistakes and certainly hasn’t made the mindnumbing game killers we are used to seeing from the quarterback.
It’s also not like he is throwing to the second coming of Rice and Owens. Get him some receivers in the draft. The Browns are solid at QB with McCoy starting and Wallace backing him up.
Buckblog - November 14, 2010
I won't make the McCoy cliche....
But going into the draft McCoy was my favorite qb. Bradford is having a monster year but I think the browns will go far with Colt. Rip it up for the rest of the season dogs.
EVT - November 14, 2010
Die hard Longhorn fan here, can we have McCoy back?
mtntrance - November 14, 2010
Amen.
lets ask Cincy for Quan and Ship while we are at it.
sahyouni - November 14, 2010
In our dreams.
Longhorns are a disaster this year. Unbelievable how fast they’ve fallen.
burntorangeandbrown - November 15, 2010
Y’all will be back man, don’t worry. You’re Texas. You have Mack Brown. Be glad that a re-loading year doesn’t mean a painful 1-15 with no hope of winning most of your games (some Browns years).
rufio - November 17, 2010
He is missing a lot of reads. I can’t see him not improving on this as he gains experience, but there were a lot of times where the Jets were blitzing often and there was an open guy if Colt could diagnose who that guy was and get him the ball.
rufio - November 15, 2010
it pisses me off that wright was playing off of his receivers all game and not trusting ward to back him up! he did that on the final play against holmes. i say we cut him and maybe call back coye francies and give him a shot again!
findlaybrownslover - November 14, 2010
Secondary played pretty well minus a couple plays, looked like they were winded at the end.
Roger Dorn - November 14, 2010
this is true too, but wright is just solidifying his cut at the end of the season
findlaybrownslover - November 14, 2010
This is absurd. Our defense was on the field for 47 minutes.
Western Reserve - November 14, 2010
THIS
bross09 - November 14, 2010
I disagree. He hasn’t played great, but his worst games are when a team is so deep at WR that their #3 WR is a threat. He has been much better than early on in the season and if we can keep him as a #2/#3 CB, he isn’t particularly bad. for that role, he is actually a bit above league average IMO
bross09 - November 14, 2010
bross!!!!!!! Agree with everything you just said.
TheDriveStillHurts - November 14, 2010
yup. just because we lost doesn’t mean the secondary didn’t hold its own all day, and wright has been much better since the baltimore/boldin debacle.
Dawg Nuts - November 14, 2010
thank you. I know I was with everyone who ragged on wright, but cutting him would just be dumb. I think the fact that he we haven’t really heard about him since the Bengals/Ravens games is a very good sign.
bross09 - November 14, 2010
I was upset with Wright being involved on the last play, but he is probably an above avg. #3 CB. I notice Wright flailing his hands and barking at Ward a lot.
His body language looks like he’s complaining that Ward isn’t doing something. It’s usually after Wright gets beaten badly. I wonder what the coaches make of it.
tribe71 - November 14, 2010
He is definitely at minimum, a good #3 CB in my mind. I also think we seemed to see more of wright getting exposed since sheldon brown went down.
bross09 - November 15, 2010
yes….Brown getting hurt probably made things worse.
case in point: when Cotchery pulled up on that play (and then seconds later made a catch), it seems like Wright gave up too, intead of blanketing him.
it’s little things like this that demonstate Wright will never be great and will – although somewhat talented- cost us ball games.
discoinferno083 - November 15, 2010
well said indeed
lukedurra - November 14, 2010
His contract expires, there won’t be any cutting.
rufio - November 15, 2010
And they should have been, they were on the field for 47 minutes of the game. This loss is on the offense not being able to sustain a drive until the final 3 minutes of regulation.
Browns town - November 14, 2010
Don’t really agree, the defense was on the field so much more because of the Jets having a 10 minute drive and a 7 minute drive.
Roger Dorn - November 14, 2010
While this is true, the offense wasn’t doing them any favors. Did you see the 1st down/yardage graphics CBS was putting up? They had like 10x our yardage and first downs at one point. The disparity between offenses wouldn’t be that big if we moved the ball too.
We have got to stop being so conservative in the middle of games. I have pointed this whole pattern out before:
Fast start with a mix of run and pass.
We do better than we expect.
We get conservative and we have a number of run, run, pass on 3rd and 8, punt drives.
Our defense plays bend/don’t break and they don’t break,
We stay conservative and have a number of run, run, pass on 3rd and 8, punt drives. (Or throw a short pass on 1st down, run, pass on 3rd and 8, punt).
The other team’s drives get longer and longer, we get to a point where it is clear that we need to score or the game is over.
We pass a lot and move the ball.
We score.
rufio - November 15, 2010
It’s like the offenses version of the prevent defense and I hate it.
Monsters of the Midway - November 15, 2010
We were facing an excellent defense though, I don’t expect perfection given what we have.
Roger Dorn - November 15, 2010
Yeah, but conservatism and perfection are different things, and the offense noticeably slowed.
Western Reserve - November 15, 2010
A universal truth.
golanbatrac - November 15, 2010
Haha. Now that could be a real can of worms.
Western Reserve - November 15, 2010
really didn’t have a problem with the play-calling on the 3 and outs in the 2nd half, we just didn’t execute, and part of that is a credit to their defense.
Roger Dorn - November 15, 2010
I absolutely had a problem with it. We were also too predictable when we did run, it was power O to the right far too often. They probably spotted what they thought was a weak spot in the Jets’ D, but once you’ve run your head into a brick wall several times and it doesn’t budge, I don’t think you get to call that a weak spot.
rufio - November 17, 2010
All I am saying is we move the ball when we have well thought-out mixes of runs and passes that work together to constrain a defense.
You are never going to move the ball against that good of a defense if you don’t keep them concerned about multiple threats. We didn’t.
Perfection is one thing, intelligent play calling is another.
rufio - November 17, 2010
the loss goes to both sides, we couldnt stop the offense on third and longs like we have been, and our offense seemed like it took the second half off till the last drive in the fourth
findlaybrownslover - November 14, 2010
And the O couldn’t capitalize early with TDs, which cost us in the end.
RelapsingDawgCatcher - November 14, 2010
The offense I think only had 2 drives that they got stuffed on in the second half which were both brief, but against a great defense like the Jets, you are going to have 3 and outs.
Roger Dorn - November 14, 2010
right plus i think we got away from pounding hillis in the second half like we should have to wear down their D, i think it would have worked in our favor in the end regardless of the 10 and 7 minute drives.
findlaybrownslover - November 14, 2010
We seemed to trust the air game today.
tribe71 - November 14, 2010
Wright played poorly again in my opinion.
he needs to die, then get cut.
discoinferno083 - November 14, 2010
i was watching him/his body language on the last jets drive… wasn’t even facing his man (prior to the play starting)… playing like, 10 yards off his man….
why the hell did we have Wright on BE anyway? Wouldn’t BE have practiced against him for the past two years?
as good or above average as wright is, he doesn’t have “it”.
Haden (and Ward) made the big plays when it counted.
Wright got exploited when it counted.
i say we draft a pass rush, cb and WR
discoinferno083 - November 14, 2010
Did Eric Wright run over your dog? You seem to have a real thing with him.
TheDriveStillHurts - November 14, 2010
Coverage was top notch today. Can’t really fault Wright for anything.
SpecialBrownie - November 14, 2010
The Jets shredded the Browns on 3rd down. I cant’ describe the coverage as “top notch,” although the CLE secondary did do a great job limting Keller.
JulioBernazard - November 15, 2010
The initial coverage was good. The pass rush was getting there, but Sanchez would not go down and the ad libbing in the secondary started and we could not keep up. In my opinion that was where the 3rd down situations became tough.
SBP - November 15, 2010
This isn’t his choice, it is the technique we use in the coverages we were in. A lot of teams do this. This isn’t Wright, this is the defense.
Ward whiffed on Santonio to lose the game, he didn’t make that play when it counted (all plays count).
rufio - November 15, 2010
The bigger problem was Wright though, that tackle should be made before Ward even gets there.
Roger Dorn - November 15, 2010
Yeah, Wright whiffed. But Ward’s job as safety is basically last line of defense — to make that play. What exactly is the methodology for determining which error is “bigger”?
Western Reserve - November 15, 2010
Don’t get me wrong, Ward was tentative and was more worried about running into his guy. I typically would blame both, I don’t have a methodology, but Wright needs to make that tackle first.
Roger Dorn - November 15, 2010
Right, I just saw it as more shared responsibility. I saw one write up where they didn’t even mention Wright and instead said Holmes stepped inside of Ward and sprinted away. I say that just because it can be judged a bit in the eye of the beholder, and Wright is always under the microscope around here.
Western Reserve - November 15, 2010
I don’t care, Ward still needs to make that tackle.
There were 3 guys there, one of them didn’t look like he had a good shot, but Ward definitely did.
rufio - November 17, 2010
It was terrible coverage and a terrible non-tackle by Wright. Ward was flat-footed and not ready for Santonio’s cut, and he made a terrible effort as well. I blame both as I said in my next comment.
Roger Dorn - November 17, 2010
Yep, Ward took a terrible angle and was burned by Santonio’s cut, Wright made no effort, and there was a LB there also that could have atleast made a diving ankle grab.
Kimble_79 - November 17, 2010
I was pretty sure Wright was bailing to a deep zone just watching the game live but I could have been wrong—and I admittedly haven’t watched it again on video. That wouldn’t have been his coverage responsibility in, say, C3. He would have a linebacker underneath there and would be responsible for cuts toward the sideline from a 2nd receiver going vertical, so he I thought he had another receiver to read before being able to squeeze on the slant.
There were 3 players there that needed to tackle Holmes and none of them did. I bet Mangini had a field day with that clip.
rufio - November 17, 2010
If that were the coverage design, then it’s a terrible call by the coaches with only 30 seconds left or whatever it was.
Roger Dorn - November 17, 2010
I don’t know. I think we should have wanted to stop the run first and foremost there, and C3 at least could free up an 8th man for the box. Man-1 does both that and put you in man to man on the outside (better taking away the slant) but I don’t know what the coaches were seeing and what we were doing prior to that point.
rufio - November 18, 2010
totally agree. Bad play by both. I know some may be (myself included at first) to blame wright more because a general opinion about the players. They both deserve equal blame IMO
bross09 - November 17, 2010
You are supposed to be in that technique as the CB in the coverages we were playing.
rufio - November 15, 2010
can you flesh that out for me?
it trully looked as if he wasn’t fully paying attention.
discoinferno083 - November 15, 2010
You are supposed to pay attention 100% of the time.
However, when CBs are in a deep zone (C3, maybe C4, maybe some sort of inverted C2, C6 or whatever you call quarter-quarter-half) they are sometimes coached to watch the QB, not the WR. You might see them line up tight on the WR, then “bail” soon after the snap. Many coaches have their CBs sort of shuffle facing in toward the middle of the field, eyes on the QB and “feeling” the WR with their peripheral vision while staying over the top of them and not getting beat deep.
This allows the DB to see the QB make the throw, which helps in jumping routes and creating turnovers.
I am not 100% sure how the Browns are coached to do it because I am not in their practices, but Saban (also Bill B coaching tree) has the CBs in C3 read the outside WR first (again, “feeling” them, looking at the QB). If that receiver (called #1) breaks inside, he is to read #2 (2nd receiver in) and keep bailing if #2 pushes vertical. So if you have any sort of slant/shallow in/shallow crossing route by that outside WR and any vertical stem (go, corner, post, deep in/out, etc) by #2, the CB will look like he is looking at the QB and not paying attention to #1, who is running away from him.
Now, both Wright and Haden didn’t do a good enough job of squeezing their receivers while playing this technique against the Jets. There were too many times where the WR would have the time to run a comeback route and Wright or Haden would be playing too soft over the top to be able to break with the WR and make contact when the ball arrived.
rufio - November 17, 2010
He ( Wright ) had a chance to make the tackle, on that last play, however, he decided to let him go,
what the hell is he doing out there? how many games are they going to let him lose for us? I say we have to figure out something else, and limit his play.
dawginhouston - November 15, 2010
Wright didn’t lose anything for us, we lost the game as a team.
That said, there were two players who had a chance to tackle Santonio on that last play and their lack of effort sickened me. Ward was one of them and I think Wright was the other.
rufio - November 17, 2010
man it pisses me off that chansi stuckey didnt have the awareness to just get out of bounds. He didn’t need to make any more of a play than he already had.
jaws. - November 14, 2010
bingo!
findlaybrownslover - November 14, 2010
naw, he needed to go for the yards. You saw what happened to Nick Folk.
The Licensed Pessimist - November 14, 2010
no he didnt! he had enough to keep us in field goal range. he got greedy and we got burnt by it. had he just gotten out we could have ended that game then after stopping them on the first drive of overtime!
findlaybrownslover - November 14, 2010
We would have had first down at about the 35, I like Hillis’s chances to get us in better field goal range with the momentum.
Roger Dorn - November 14, 2010
exactly my point. he just got greedy and it cost us later
findlaybrownslover - November 14, 2010
Yea but there was no reason for him to NOT go for the yards. It’s 20/20 vision; there was time left, he was on the sidelines and he had the opportunity. Hillis had just as much of a chance at fumbling running up the gut as he had
The Licensed Pessimist - November 14, 2010
I just don’t trust a small WR trying to pick up tough yards after the initial hit. If HIllis fumbles, that sucks, but he is our horse and we need to feed him the ball. Even before Stuckey went for those yards, I was yelling for him to get down, and if you watch the replay, one of the BRowns players on the sideline was pointing at the ground trying to tell Stuckey to go down.
Roger Dorn - November 14, 2010
this!
findlaybrownslover - November 14, 2010
Yup.
emily522 - November 14, 2010
They weren’t tough yards. The defender just made a good play on him. In hindsight he should have stepped out but if he would have broke out for a TD no one would be saying anything otherwise.
If holmes would have stepped out of bounds and let his RB to the work, he wouldn’t have scored the winning TD
The Licensed Pessimist - November 14, 2010
What?
Western Reserve - November 14, 2010
It’s just frustrating to think that if he had gotten out of bounds we probably would’ve won.
emily522 - November 14, 2010
Or if Ward grabs that pick, or if Peyton hangs on to the ball, or if we connect on that deep pass to Watson….
rufio - November 15, 2010
I know, I know…
emily522 - November 15, 2010
Or consider the butterfly effect. A butterfly flaps its wings in Japan, setting off a chain of events unique to history that ultimately ends in a hurricane in the Atlantic that slams into Florida.
In other words, maybe had you cheered a little harder, towards the end Colt would have completed that pass over the middle to Watson and subsequently the Browns would have gone on to score. So, thanks a lot, Emily.
Western Reserve - November 15, 2010
I guess we can all agree – emily lost this game for us.
Dawg Nuts - November 15, 2010
Thanks guys haha.
emily522 - November 15, 2010
I agree with we can say “What if” all day, but one thing we can say with a “should have” on the Stuckey play is you have to go for the ball! Football 101, always go for the ball, not dive at a defender. We had a valid shot at recoving Stuckey’s fumble had we played elementary football. (I believe it was Robiskie)
Sipeis17 - November 15, 2010
Robi went hard after the ball.
Stuckey should have had two hands on the ball…you can do this all week/year/decade
rufio - November 17, 2010
Every NFL player should know how to protect a football.
That was sloppy fundamentals from Stuckey.
tribe71 - November 14, 2010
Yes, but fumbles happen. I mean, when a defender goes for it and it slips, it happens. But now it’s a reoccurring problem for him, so it now seems to be fundamentals more than good D.
SpecialBrownie - November 14, 2010
I think on this one it was more fundamentals. It did not look like he had a tight hold on that ball @ all. It looked like he was basically holding the nose of the football with his hand and that’s it. I didn’t notice if he was holding it that way the whole time, but he at least loosened his grip for a little bit. You gotta keep tight hold on that ball.
shep615 - November 14, 2010
Granted, I’ve never been tackled by 300lbs of muscle while running with a football, but it didn’t look like he put enough effort in protecting it.
tribe71 - November 14, 2010
I totally agree. If this had been the first fumble so far this year, I would be fine with it. However, this is his 3rd fumble on the year including the botched punt return.
bross09 - November 15, 2010
How many does Hillis have?
Villeslgr - November 15, 2010
point taken, but it’s different for a running back and WR. just factoring in number of touches makes a big difference.
notthatnoise - November 15, 2010
Yeah, I know, my point was that when a running back fumbles down the field trying to gain extra yards and a receiver struggles down field trying to make extra yards. I still haven’t been able to see the play yet, but my opinion is that you should always keep trying to get the yards if possible but you have to protect the football. If you keep fighting and you lose the ball it’s on you and the player should accept the responsibility which I believe he is doing.
Villeslgr - November 15, 2010
I agree 100%
Like I pointed out, which I believe started this part of the thread was that I had absolutely no problem with him trying for extra yards, but it seems like he doesnt hang onto the football well and doesn’t protect it well which is definitely an issue.
bross09 - November 15, 2010
Players are more likely to fumble the ball on receptions than carries. That said, Hillis is our 2nd leading receiver, or at least was entering last week.
rufio - November 17, 2010
and he hasn’t fumbled on a Reception I recall. He seems to do a good job in this category.
bross09 - November 17, 2010
a) what NTN said
b) Its a very serious worry IMO for Hillis. I will not deny that at all. I worry about that.
Hillis has almost 200 touches this year (another worry I have, lets decrease his touches) and 5 fumbles, or a fumble every 37-38 touches. Stuckey has 3 fumbles in 30 touches, or one every 10 touches. Good News, his fumble problems are not as bad as Tiki Barber’s were during that stretch.
bross09 - November 15, 2010
yeah, this. hindsight is 20/20. staying in bounds seemed like a good idea at the time. shit just happens.
davus - November 14, 2010
Again, people on the Browns sideline were pointing to go down before he got hit, how would this be considered hindsight?
Roger Dorn - November 14, 2010
i only saw one player signaling for him to go down, it’s likely he just didn’t see/hear him
davus - November 14, 2010
he didn’t have a reason to.
The Licensed Pessimist - November 14, 2010
Yea, my point is that it’s not 20/20 hindsight. There are plenty of people who thought the better play was to go down.
Roger Dorn - November 14, 2010
one person =/= plenty of people
The Licensed Pessimist - November 14, 2010
evenjim and phil said he should have! so your one person argument goes right out the window TLP!
findlaybrownslover - November 14, 2010
so you can name 3 people…good for you.
bross09 - November 14, 2010
I agree with everything you’re saying. Dorn is relying too much on 20/20. In that situation, yards are imperative.
SpecialBrownie - November 14, 2010
I don’t fault him for going for it, I just hate being told something is 20/20 hindsight. It’s not. There is a legitimate argument that he should have gone down.
Roger Dorn - November 14, 2010
And there’s a legitimate argument Haden should’ve swatted the ball and we shouldn’t have done the onside. Explain those.
SpecialBrownie - November 14, 2010
Yes, there is. What is your point? You can second guess decisions in every game and sometimes they aren’t clear cut. That’s all I am saying, I wish Stuckey would have gone down before he even got stripped.
Roger Dorn - November 14, 2010
Hindsight meet Dorn. This is exactly the problem.
You can’t fault Studkey for what he did. It seemed like a good idea at the time and you can criticize him all you want NOW. If he didn’t fumble, it would’ve been a great play. The fact of the matter is, yards were important, he tried to get them and the defender made a play on the ball.
THAT’S IT.
SpecialBrownie - November 14, 2010
God, you are being dense. I can fault Stuckey for what he did because the absolute number 1 most important thing is to PROTECT the football. The safest way to do that is go down. If he wants the extra yards, put two hands on the ball. It’s not solely hindsight to say he could have gone down. I understand going for the extra yards, but to do so at the expense of protecting the football is a critical mistake. I knew this before the play and I knew it after, so to say that it’s solely 20/20 hindsight is flat out wrong.
Roger Dorn - November 14, 2010
I agree, though I do feel bad for Stuckey.
golanbatrac - November 14, 2010
he felt TERRIBLE.
that gives me hope that
A: he actually cares
B- he’ll learn and come back a better player.
discoinferno083 - November 14, 2010
didn’t even have to go down. just step out.
it’s being wise.
discoinferno083 - November 14, 2010
I very nearly became physically sick on that fumble. The Browns had the game won on that play dammit ARGHHHHHH!!
Ok – got that out of my system. Onward to next week and beyond. The Browns are quickly developing into a force to be reckoned with!
burntorangeandbrown - November 14, 2010
I dont buy it personally. Santonio Holmes and Stuckey were in the same situation. Holmes could have easily stepped out of bounds or fell to avoid contact and let Nick kick the game winning FG, but instead he actually played football and got the GW TD. If stuckey would have stepped out, then Dawson miss by 2 yards, then you would have been disappointed for the missed yardage. And if he would have spun away from the defender and went in for the TD, he would be a hero.
moral of the story, hindsight is 20/20
The Licensed Pessimist - November 14, 2010
why would holmes have run out of bounds from the middle of the field? if he was free to run out of bounds from there, he’s free to run to the endzone, which he did. the two plays aren’t comparable.
Dawg Nuts - November 14, 2010
Right, that’s what I was asking above. Maybe he didn’t watch the game or see the play. Makes no sense to me.
Western Reserve - November 14, 2010
this is still moot to the basic point that if we lost and he just went down and Phil missed a FG, we would be second guessing his decision there.
bross09 - November 15, 2010
Gotta agree with Dorn. Even during my freshman year when I played FB, the whole offense was told to protect the ball and not turn it over. The big problem is that he DID fumble the ball. It would make sense for him to go out of bounds. It would make sense for him to just go down. It would also make sense to go for the extra yards, but you HAVE to protect the football.
In the end, he fumbled because he didn’t protect the football. Saying he should have protected the football isn’t hindsight, it’s fundamentals. Going out of bounds just would have been another way of protecting the football.
shep615 - November 14, 2010
I believe Dorn said that at the time of the play he was yelling for Stuckey to get down. So, you either take him at his word, or call him a liar and get it over with already.
Western Reserve - November 14, 2010
I got over it a while ago so, go away.
SpecialBrownie - November 14, 2010
At the time what were you thinking, get extra yards for the FG or just go down?
bross09 - November 15, 2010
Protect the ball.
Roger Dorn - November 15, 2010
okay. then you have every right to criticize. however, there were people likely thinking go for extra yards, but are now in hindsight being critical and I find that dishonest.
bross09 - November 15, 2010
yards areholding onto the pill is imperativeJulioBernazard - November 15, 2010
He messed up. He knew he did. It sucks it worked out that way; it was such a great play initially.
Western Reserve - November 14, 2010
Exactly. He’s played great for us all year as well. Sometimes you just f___ up.
TheDriveStillHurts - November 14, 2010
yup. overall you have to be pretty damn pleased with the plays that he has made. gotta take the good with the bad, and at least the kids got heart.
lukedurra - November 14, 2010
just get down and get the ball in the middle of the field on the next play. Anything within 50 is dawson’s range, especially with the wind at your backs.
jaws. - November 14, 2010
That’s exactly why he should’ve just gone out of bounds so the drive could stay alive.
JulioBernazard - November 15, 2010
Agreed. thats still a 52 yarder for Dawson. I more worry about Suckey’s overall ability to hang onto the ball
bross09 - November 14, 2010
We would have had at least 3 more downs to get more yards before kicking a field goal.
Roger Dorn - November 14, 2010
THIS. Stuckey already had the first down and some extra years. When he saw multiple NYJ defenders in front of him, he should’ve stepped out of bounds.
JulioBernazard - November 15, 2010
And Dawson would have nailed it. And that’s not hindsight; that’s foresight — for an event that never happened nor ever will. So, how about dem apples?
Western Reserve - November 14, 2010
Yeah, he is a good FG kicker, but not good enough where saying he will make it is 100% accurate foresight.
bross09 - November 15, 2010
Oh, I know. (But he would have nailed it.)
Western Reserve - November 15, 2010
We already had the first down. He messed up and seemed to feel really bad about it, not much more to say than “hang on to the football”. Or we could have won the game on any of the other opportunities we had.
rufio - November 15, 2010
I’m never going to really get on somebody’s case too much for fighting like to hell to get more yards. One of the things I love about this team is that they fight like hell.
9James - November 14, 2010
he was trying to do too much.
he had a GREAT move in the play prior, then kept trying the same stuff.
he already picked up additional yardage. he should have been happy and stepped out.
discoinferno083 - November 14, 2010
How many others were screaming at the TV, “GO DOWN GO DOWN!”
SBP - November 15, 2010
Yep, had fumble written all over it, but you can’t fault the guy for trying.
HenryDawg - November 15, 2010 via mobile
I was screaming “hold on to the football”
rufio - November 17, 2010
Simmsinns - November 15, 2010
Any player would do the same thing,fighting for yards is what he is supposed to do, it didn’t work out THAT’S IT.
dawginhouston - November 15, 2010
I cannot in good conscience say anything negative about our defense. What a great effort. I can’t even believe how long those guys hung in there.
One thing that really bothered me: When we are first and goal on the four, we should pound the ball, at least three times, no questions asked. Put Colt under center, bring in the hogs. I don’t understand throwing the ball laterally.
Western Reserve - November 14, 2010
Agree, I hated that second down play call.
Roger Dorn - November 14, 2010
I don’t mind the call. We weren’t going to win running the ball with no time left.
Bernie19Kosar - November 14, 2010
Are we talking about the same series?
Western Reserve - November 14, 2010
No, I misunderstood.
My bad.
Bernie19Kosar - November 14, 2010
I think he meant when we were at the Jets 4, and we threw a sideways pass on 2nd down.
Roger Dorn - November 14, 2010
Bad read. 2 guys went to the flat to get that route and I was pretty sure we had a 2 on 1 spacing in the endzone. I don’t mind the playcall.
rufio - November 15, 2010
Hard hard loss, but we competed, coul have won, and overall are 2-1 against 3 of the big boys.
Stuckey- well he seems to be the only WR out there at times (I still think of Cribbs as a KR who can contribute a bit at WR)
LondonBrown - November 14, 2010
I was disappointed with his fumble but Stuckey he is probably a good 3rd or 4th receiver. McCoy needs way more help at WR. Robiske need to go to the bench. MoMass is clearly not a 1 or 2. Cribbs has shown little sign he can be a 1-3rd receiver despite some modest improvement running routes this years.
kingcrimson2 - November 14, 2010
Bah. He also had our longest reception today. Not that we don’t need more help at WR….
RelapsingDawgCatcher - November 14, 2010
He also demands attention from the Defense. See how much better the Jets D started playing after he went out.
TheDriveStillHurts - November 14, 2010
The fact that Cribbs & Stuckey look like our best pair is a worry. MoMass is nice to have in the mix I guess but I’d like 2 good starters ahead of them all.
If Robiskie doesn’t come up with something amazing in the last 8 games I can’t see him coming back.
LondonBrown - November 14, 2010
I totally agree. Stuckey has been a nice surprise and is a threat with the ball in his hands so defenses respect him.
MoMass has consistently been our #1 WR and has played well when fully healthy (he did also suffer from the QB play of Seneca that couldn’t get him the ball when he got open) and has been able to get open while being our most heavily guarded WR. Defenses also have to respect Cribbs, Hillis, and our 2 TEs.
Robiskie has made more plays this year, but I fear most of them are when the D is paying attention to someone else and are catches of opportunity. Football outsiders supports this notion, listing him as one of the worst WRs in the league (like top 5 worst.
bross09 - November 14, 2010
I like the guy but 24 yrds/game, 198 yards after after 9 weeks isn’t setting the world on fire, much left evidence of a difference maker. Ok stats for 3rd receiver – maybe. But a primary offensive weapon???
kingcrimson2 - November 14, 2010
less evidence…
kingcrimson2 - November 14, 2010
Your prerogative. No one we have has exactly set the world on fire statswise. No doubt the QB changes and run-oriented moves have something to do with that.
I think the versatility we gain by having Cribbs on the field is worth a lot. I don’t think the difference between him and MoMass or Stuckey now is that great, and Cribbs is a proven weapon we’re still testing ways to use with maximum effectiveness, which is more than you can say for the rest. (Where is Robo, anyway?)
Again, I’m not at all arguing that we couldn’t use better people at WR! Ideally, maybe he would be a #2 or #3….
RelapsingDawgCatcher - November 14, 2010
PD says four toes dislocated. Ouch! I wonder if they pop them back one at a time or all at once?
tribe71 - November 14, 2010
mm.. i disagree about MoMass. He’s been quiet, that’s for sure, but I think he could be a very solid #2… We need a #1 who’s a breakaway deep threat, that would free Mo up considerably, and then we could split the slot Stuckey/Cribbs… Stuckey’s been really solid moving the chains, and Josh is dangerous on the slant. If we had a #1, we could split four wide and really spread the options out
lukedurra - November 14, 2010
What do you mean free up Momass? He isn’t getting double teamed
The Licensed Pessimist - November 14, 2010
I’m under the impression that momass usually lines up against our opponent’s #1 corners, am i wrong? it seems like he struggles to get separation, that’s why he isn’t targeted that often…
I just meant that if we had an actual deep threat he might be able to find some space against lesser DBs or against zones; that’s what happened when he broke out for 148 against cincy last year
lukedurra - November 14, 2010
this is true. If MoMass got to line up against Dwight Lowery or Kyle Wilson, I guarantee he would be more productive.
bross09 - November 14, 2010
Mass was lined up against Kyle Wilson I believe.
The Licensed Pessimist - November 14, 2010
how often was he lined up against wilson? I saw quite a few plays where he lined up on revis and several where he lined up on Cromartie. I never saw kyle wilson guarding him. I know on the TD, it was Cromartie and he had another catch on Cromartie that I can remember specifically too.
bross09 - November 15, 2010
The Jets probably covered us many different ways, but the point is that if we have Calvin Johnson, it makes us a better offense and it gets whoever the #2 is an advantage a good % of the time.
Or if they still cover the #2 with their best players, we can pass to the #1 for 200 yards/game.
rufio - November 15, 2010
dude, revisiting this,
thank you, that’s exactly what I was trying to say. My brain just wasn’t functioning yesterday
lukedurra - November 15, 2010
Obviously it makes us better on offense, but MoMass isn’t getting a lot of attention now so it’s an irrelevant point. MoMass isn’t always going up against the best player, and yet he does nothing. It doesn’t matter if we have a player playing opposite of him if he can’t get off his man coverage.
The Licensed Pessimist - November 15, 2010
I’d just like to point out that our receivers are open a lot, the offense is just designed to go through the middle of the field.
notthatnoise - November 15, 2010
Yes, he does nothing. Like score game-tying touchdowns.
Check, please.
rufio - November 17, 2010
I wouldn’t say he struggles to get separation, we simply don’t throw to the outside WRs that much. Our offense goes through the TEs the slot, and the backs.
rufio - November 15, 2010
Maybe, but when? We have a good line, an accurate QB, a run game. If he doesn’t increase his production (which is right now a little below Cribbs) it is hard to make a case he is going to be a key part of winning team.
Would anyone here not rather have Holmes or Chotechry than MoMass, Robiske, Stuckey, etc.?
kingcrimson2 - November 14, 2010
no question, i’d take either of those two all day every day. Robiskie’s gotta be out after this year, I just donno if you can say (halfway through his second season) that MoMass is definitely not an option as a 2
lukedurra - November 14, 2010
I also agree with you that he is clearly not a 1
lukedurra - November 14, 2010
Trust me, I hope he comes around but lined up vs other teams best CB or not, good and great WRs make at least one big play or a series of smaller plays that have definitive impact on the course of the game. We need someone at the WR position to do that be we call ourselves a playoff team.
kingcrimson2 - November 14, 2010
listen kc I’m agreeing with you man. I think momass has some talent but he should never have been thrust into the no. 1 WR spot. He’s in over his head.
lukedurra - November 14, 2010
Don’t really have much of a choice. He’s a decent enough WR, but won’t be a top notch guy.
Roger Dorn - November 14, 2010
When he stops being our #1 receiver, get the most attention from a Defense, and stop being the only WR the D respects deep (Cribbs and stuckey they respect, but these guys don’t go deep like MoMass)
bross09 - November 14, 2010
I agree
The browns are a wide receiver away from being big time. I loved stuckey, but he is a number three.
EVT - November 14, 2010
This is our offense.
rufio - November 15, 2010
Except when they decide to use Evan Moore. And he goes vertical.
Monsters of the Midway - November 15, 2010
Ben Watson seemed to be a large part of our offense yesterday.
Simmsinns - November 15, 2010
rufio - November 17, 2010
Simmsinns - November 17, 2010
i was surprised however how many holding calls the jets should have been called for that didnt go our way.
findlaybrownslover - November 14, 2010
I’ve never seen anyone look as sick to their stomach as Chansi Stuckey after he fumbled the ball.
Adrock2099 - November 14, 2010
If Elam catches that INT, we might have had a game-winning TD drive.
Roger Dorn - November 14, 2010
Can’t believe that one came out.
Western Reserve - November 14, 2010
That was painful.
kingcrimson2 - November 14, 2010
Indeed. Too many possible goats to lay all the blame at any one person’s feet.
RelapsingDawgCatcher - November 14, 2010
Kind of the opposite of the Pats game.
North Coast Flea - November 14, 2010
yeah, what the frick was that?
discoinferno083 - November 14, 2010
Earl Thomas would have been gone. (just busting ballz.)
realmccoy - November 14, 2010
And Hodges won the punting duel quite comfortably in the end.
LondonBrown - November 14, 2010
I agree with findlaybrownslover, I thought they got away with holds a bunch of times. Some the times Sanchez got out of sacks I thought holds let him slip away.
Also, thanks to Dorn for pointing out Elam’s missed INT. That would have made Colt’s drive a game winner instead of tying it up. Really both teams missed lots of opportunities to win the game.
All in all though I got to be happy with how we are playing. We are one or two stars away from becoming one of the best teams in the league. I am more hopeful now than I have been in the last ten years. Lets win these next four and get above 500!
BiggieBrown - November 14, 2010
Raises a glass to that!
LondonBrown - November 14, 2010
Elam makes that interception, he’s tackled relatively quickly right? It would have been 1st and 90. The game tying touchdown was like a 60 yard drive right? Tough to say McCoy drives us 90 yards for the win.
cheech99 - November 14, 2010
Would have been tougher, but possible. You are right though didn’t really think of the extra 30 yards.
Roger Dorn - November 14, 2010
All I meant is that its kind of pointless to do these “what ifs” because really both teams were given a lot of chances to “seal” the game. We didn’t do it, but we never gave up and stayed competitive with an excellent team. Gives me hope, which is an unfamiliar feeling as a Browns fan.
BiggieBrown - November 14, 2010
Man, that was 4 entertaining hours. Like a prize fight that went 15 rounds.
elsandito - November 14, 2010
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jaws. - November 14, 2010
How about that throw from Colt to Evan Moore with Revis draped all over him?
Western Reserve - November 14, 2010
They should just make him a WR so we can Moore and Watson on the field together more often.
BiggieBrown - November 14, 2010
*can have
BiggieBrown - November 14, 2010
Sounds good to me.
What’s his speed like? He has the size to abuse a Revis all day.
LondonBrown - November 14, 2010
I would love to see more sets with Moore and Watson, esp. considering our lack of WR production.
kingcrimson2 - November 14, 2010
There was another throw he had over the middle in a really tight space that was really good.
rufio - November 15, 2010
Watson into double coverage.
SpecialBrownie - November 15, 2010
Yes, this was it. Right in between 2 defenders. This is what they call “an NFL throw”.
rufio - November 17, 2010
Right. Despite his good play thus far though, we still don’t know all there is to know about his skill set. We need more information. For example, can he throw the deep ball? We don’t know because a deep threat doesn’t exist on this team.
Western Reserve - November 15, 2010
He can throw it. How accurately is the question.
I am not really worried about his ability to throw frozen ropes into coverage on the last play of the game a la Favre. If we are in that situation, oh well. I think there is a lot of improvement to be made in terms of recognizing to some extent the coverage before the snap, knowing how our play can beat those coverages, making a few more reads after the snap, and anticipating/throwing the intermediate throws as the receivers opens up, not after he opens up.
You would expect him to be able to get better at this with more time in the offense, reps with our specific receivers, and game experience—I am not too worried about his physical ability. That said, only time will tell.
rufio - November 17, 2010
Just curious. My buddies and I were really in different places about the way Mangini played it at the end. I had zero issues with it and could give a rat’s ass about a tie (granted that’s with about 75 minutes post game). Is he taking heat on Cleveland radio for the 1st down play call (or the general sequence) when we were backed up at the end of OT?
cheech99 - November 14, 2010
Meant to say… with 75 minutes post game reflection
cheech99 - November 14, 2010
Don’t know, but LaCanfora of NFL Network is criticizing the choice. I was fine with going for the pass, a tie and a loss are essentially the same in my book. It was a very distant shot that we make the playoffs.
Roger Dorn - November 14, 2010
That’s right, the Jets only needed a tie, but we needed the win.
elsandito - November 14, 2010
Right on. 3-5 against a non-division opponent, go for the W.
Monsters of the Midway - November 15, 2010
I like that they trust Colt to throw in that situation. I like that we’re being aggressive in these types of situations. I hate that it didn’t work out for us, but I’m not really upset that we ran that play. Had it worked, we’d maybe be celebrating a victory right now.
golanbatrac - November 14, 2010
You have to be an idiot to criticize a coach for going for the win instead of throwing the flag for a tie. Really?
SpecialBrownie - November 14, 2010
Do what now?
golanbatrac - November 14, 2010
I was talking more about what LaCanfora said.
SpecialBrownie - November 14, 2010
I was talking more about what LaCanfora said.
SpecialBrownie - November 14, 2010
I was talking more about what LaCanfora said.
notthatnoise - November 15, 2010
I was talking more about what LaCanfora said.
Dawg Nuts - November 15, 2010
I was talking more about what LaCanfora said.
North Coast Flea - November 15, 2010
I was talking more about what LaCanfora said.
golanbatrac - November 15, 2010
Agree. Again, its easier to criticize in hindsight.
bross09 - November 15, 2010
I don’t have a problem with throwing deep, that’s exactly what we should have done. You cant play scared. I feel like in the past we would have just taken a tie and ran down the clock, but that’s why we sucked so much. Now that we are playing aggressively we are winning games
sww2109 - November 14, 2010 via mobile
I think it shows that this coaching staff has a lot of confidence in Colt McCoy and everyone else (a holding call in the endzone ends the game). And also that they were playing to win. Colt just missed Watson over the middle in what would have been a huge play.
Western Reserve - November 14, 2010
i was thinking that too….it would be both wise and cowardly to kneel it out and go for the tie…
but it certainly crossed my mind.
discoinferno083 - November 14, 2010
Easy to criticize it when it doesn’t end up working in our favor. Watson was open deep for a huge gain and we just needed to make the play. I was OK with it: be aggressive, we had nothing to lose as underdogs, go for the win.
rufio - November 15, 2010
Question. I think Mangini gets a pass thus far (until and throughout this last week) regarding his handling of “who is the starting QB”. Partly because Delhomme seems now to be embracing the mentor role, and the situation with Wallace was delicate (i.e. Browns need to keep him, and keep him happy long term as a backup – and he was playing well before his injury after all…).
But, what if Mangini continues the “we are still evaluating / day to day / etc.” ambiguity through the next few days?
In my opinion, Monday or Tuesday he should go ahead and name McCoy as the Browns starting QB and move on.
Any thoughts?
burntorangeandbrown - November 14, 2010
he’ll probably name him the starter this week. that game-tying drive was a thing of beauty.
davus - November 14, 2010
McCoy is the starter. I don’t think people should worry about this.
Roger Dorn - November 14, 2010
Mangini would be beheaded if he started Seneca over Colt at this point/
kingcrimson2 - November 14, 2010
Amen.
RelapsingDawgCatcher - November 14, 2010
Exactly.
golanbatrac - November 14, 2010
Yes.
emily522 - November 14, 2010
To quote Mangini on this weeks starter, “we are moving in that direction and have been moving in that direction for some time. We like what we have seen (game tying drives, impeccable composure against the leagues toughest defenses), but we’ll see how Jake (carrying a clipboard) and Seneca (emotionless, on the sideline) do in practice, but, yeah, that is a direction we are moving in.”
SBP - November 15, 2010
I feel a little bad for Seneca since he seemed to really want the starting job. Jake seems OK mentoring Colt and making his 20+ million this year or whatever both us and Panthers are paying him.
Roger Dorn - November 15, 2010
So do I. That said, given the way QBs go down these days, being #2 isn’t nearly as far from being #1 as it used to be, so hopefully he’ll keep that in mind.
RelapsingDawgCatcher - November 15, 2010
I wonder if Seneca felt he had a legitimate chance to compete for the starting job if Jake did poorly. If so seeing Colt sneak in and take the job is probably a bitter pill to swallow. Especially if his signing was more Holmgren’s decision.
Villeslgr - November 15, 2010
Are we sure, he hasn’t announced to the team already? I don’t really care what he says to the media.
Roger Dorn - November 14, 2010
I think it matters what he says to the media. If he doesn’t name McCoy as the starter to the media in the next couple of days I think Holmgren should either force the issue with him, or Holmgren needs to make his own statement to the media naming McCoy as the starter. I’d say this should happen Monday, or Tuesday at the very latest.
It matters to the fans, and perhaps most importantly it matters to Colt McCoy. There is no excuse not to give him the credit and recognition he has earned by recognizing him to the media as the Browns starter for the foreseeable future.
burntorangeandbrown - November 14, 2010
Holmgren coming down and naming Colt as the starter would be a huge disservice. It would show a lack of faith in his coach and could get players and fans to second guess all his decisions.
The fans will still live, and be watching next week, and I said this before, but if Colt can’t handle not being immediately named the starter he has no place being in the NFL. He’s a tough kid, he can take it.
North Coast Flea - November 14, 2010
Of course he’s a tough kid. And this is not a matter of naming him ‘immediately’. We are mid-way through the season for Christ sake. He has performed far, far beyond anyone’s expectations against four of the best teams in the NFL in his first four outings as a rookie. McCoy is a franchise QB in the NFL and he knows it. Its pretty obvious he can “take it”, that is not the point.
He, like anyone else in the working world should be given the recognition they have earned, otherwise they should move on to somewhere else.
As for “Holgren coming down… would show a lack of ‘faith’ in his coach” – I say to hell with the coach if he wish washes his way through another week on this issue. If he does so he should be gone.
burntorangeandbrown - November 14, 2010
None of this matters at all.
golanbatrac - November 14, 2010
I think you’re geting worked up for no good reason.
1. we don’t know what he has told the players in the locker room.
2. who cares what he tells he media?
3. he has built a damn strong, competitive team in 2 seasons; and we want to fire him because he won’t tell the media everything they want to know?
4. the NFL is nothing like the normal working world and should never really be compared to it.
Dawg Nuts - November 14, 2010
Yup, let’s start rebuilding again because Mangini won’t tell the media who he’s going to start.
North Coast Flea - November 15, 2010
I disagree 100%. I could give a rats ass about what he tells to the media. the only thing that matters is:
a) who he ends up playing
b) who he announces to the team.
Well…If he announces Colt the starter to the team, and gets the team behind him, why should it matter to McCoy? Yes, we are the paying fans, but although his job does involve PR, his main duty is to win football games and if this can help us win against Miami, why not?
bross09 - November 14, 2010
Going with this theory, perhaps Mangini should just let it be a ‘secret’ every week for the rest of the season to ‘fool’ the opponent every week even when its obvious who he will start?
How many other teams in the NFL operate this way every week for the entire season?
The don’t, and for good reason.
I say name him the starter and be done with it. Period.
If not, then Holmgren should name a new coach who will.
burntorangeandbrown - November 14, 2010
i agree it’s a bit silly… but not a fireable offense, surely? you want mangini out after the way he has this team playing lately?
lukedurra - November 14, 2010
No, I want Mangini to stay put and continue putting together a winning team because he and everyone else on this team have done an outstanding job the last few weeks.
And I want him to end the guessing game at the QB position and name Colt the starter this week, which I think is a no-brainer!
burntorangeandbrown - November 14, 2010
I think the point is, it’s not a guessing game. I can’t think of one person who actually thought Colt wouldn’t be starting. Maybe it’s Mangini’s way of symbolically letting Colt know he still expects him to earn his job. If anything, from the stories I’ve heard (not saying they are true) about Colt and his early interactions with Holmgren, I would imagine that Colt probably gets a bit of enjoyment and fuel for his fire out of this.
Villeslgr - November 14, 2010
I don’t see a problem…And its not “obvious” especially right now. I know colt has been playing well, but with seneca being back, it makes a lot of sense to do this. Seneca was very good as a starter and has more experience so there is a legitimate argument in his favor.
How many other teams have a QB situation like ours and 2 QBs who statistically, have been very similar?
This is NOT a firable offense. I think you are putting your longhorns fanhood and love for McCoy WAY ahead of the browns. Firing mangini over this is not in the best interest of the team.
bross09 - November 15, 2010
The hell there is.
There is ZERO reason not to continue with Colt.
Bernie19Kosar - November 15, 2010
There is no argument for ANYONE EXCEPT COLT.
SpecialBrownie - November 15, 2010
I am of this opinion, but I respect an argument in favor of Seneca and see the legitimacy in it.
bross09 - November 15, 2010
What is the argument?
Seriously, I would like to hear it. I can’t for the life of me think of one.
Bernie19Kosar - November 15, 2010
-Better QB Rating
-More TDs
-Better TD/INT Ratio and better TD and INT %s
-Takes Less Sacks
-More Experience as an NFL starter and been in the league longer
-Stronger arm
I still think that after all this, Colt is the best option. However, I can definitely see a legitimate argument for seneca. However, I cannot see one for Delhomme in any universe.
bross09 - November 15, 2010
This.
I’m might be biased pro-wallace and think McCoy must start, but don’t think the arguement is as clear cut as it is with Delhomme.
I’d be very cool with Delhomme staying on and “moving upstairs” though.
LondonBrown - November 15, 2010
totally agree. Any argument for Delhomme at this point is pathetically weak
bross09 - November 15, 2010
Colt was playing against vastly superior opponents.
Roger Dorn - November 15, 2010
Almost every single one of those stats are damn near even.
Colt went against the best of the NFL.
Colt is the future. No argument.
Bernie19Kosar - November 15, 2010
Exactly.
TheDriveStillHurts - November 15, 2010
I agree with all of this.
bross09 - November 15, 2010
I understand this opinion, but…
What Mangini says to the media is going to matter to the players. Even if the players don’t want to care, they’ll be affected somewhat by it.
An important aspect of leadership is to compliment your people in public. If a coach holds back on praise or credit in the press conferences or naming starting it can be detrimental to the demeanor of the individual players and the team.
I’m not saying Mangini is screwing things up, just pointing out that what is said to the media matters. I actually think that if the decision is made to put Wallace or Delhomme back in we’ll save a lot of heartache by not naming Colt the starter.
9James - November 14, 2010
How? If he is telling them its this way, then that is how it is. I don’t see why what he may say as a spin doctor to people in the media will change their opinions? If anything, this will show players that do not trust the coach and there is an underlying deeper problem there.
AGAIN. Why should a player care if a coach declines to sing praises in a press conference. If the coach is playing him, complimenting him in the locker room, and giving him reps, why should something this trivial affect his demeanor? If so, this is a player whose mental/emotional instability rivals BE. I doubt since mangini has cleared out this locker room, that there are Braylon Edwards types left.
It matters marginally. It matters to us, and the media, but it has little, if any bearing on the players. The press conference is not something designed for the players. Its designed for the press (this should be obvious).
So its better to make a possibly bad decision, just so we can release a decision to the press?
bross09 - November 15, 2010
Make a coherent point for this. I don’t give a damn what he says to the media as long as he feels it is giving us the competitive advantage.
McCoy doesn’t want recognition, he wants to win football games and help the team.
rufio - November 15, 2010
I suspect that it matters, but its all going to be on intangibles. Just an unnecessary distraction. Why should the coach and players have to keep discussing it all week long, trying to keep secret the fact that McCoy has been named the starter. I don’t think it has to do with McCoy’s pride. It’s a matter of focus.
Do we have any direct evidence that its a distraction that matters? No. The only thing I know for sure is that Mangini prefers to keep the QB question open whenever its a possibility, where many (most?) coaches would not. So its reasonable to disagree.
dgcambridge - November 15, 2010
I think if there was an issue Holmgren would step in and fix it.
Roger Dorn - November 15, 2010
But it’s not a distraction to the players. The only people getting distracted by it would be the media who can’t come up with better ideas for stories and people drunk in bars and posting on blogs.
Villeslgr - November 15, 2010
I agree, let the Defenses prepare for both.
Red-Right-88 - November 15, 2010
Who cares?
rufio - November 15, 2010
At least Braylon Edwards still sucks
sww2109 - November 14, 2010 via mobile
I wasn’t around in the game thread, but did anyone else notice Edwards pointing and screaming at Sheldon Brown when he was injured?
Something like " that’s what happens"? It was very hard to hear what he was screaming.
Still a classless move from a classless douche.
Bernie19Kosar - November 14, 2010
I didn’t catch that.
bross09 - November 14, 2010
sounds about right.
rufio - November 15, 2010
Braylon appeared to have eaten some humble pie before he talked with the press after the game.
Monsters of the Midway - November 15, 2010
I think Rex told him to cut the sh-t out when he made him the “captain for the game.”
TheDriveStillHurts - November 15, 2010
Other than that one catch, he looked pretty mediocre. No popcorn needed Bray-lon.
kingcrimson2 - November 14, 2010
Haden was excellent in coverage, primarily on Braylon.
Roger Dorn - November 14, 2010
agreed.
Is anyone still on the “Eric Wright is still good” bandwagon here after today?
kingcrimson2 - November 14, 2010
Agreed. He and TJ ward both played spectacularly
sww2109 - November 14, 2010 via mobile
Ward was responsible for the Cotchery TD and also seemed a bit confused as to whether he should hit Santonio on the game winning TD. He played pretty well despite those plays, but those 2 were big enough plays that they contributed to the loss.
Roger Dorn - November 14, 2010
TJ did blow it on the Cotchery TD, not to say even with better coverage Coichery still wouldn’t have had an angle and scored.
kingcrimson2 - November 14, 2010
He wasn’t alone.
Eric Wright looked like he wanted to part of trying to tackle. We had three guys right there and no one seemed interested in trying to tackle. They all seemed more interested in not hitting each other.
Bernie19Kosar - November 14, 2010
Never mind me. I have no idea where I am putting these responses right now.
Bernie19Kosar - November 14, 2010
What you said is still legitimate.
SpecialBrownie - November 14, 2010
That’s true, but I don’t fault him too much for the cotchery TD, Sanchez bought himself some time and coverage tends to break down at that point. He had a huge bat down in the end zone, forcing a fg rather than a td, which I was particularly impressed by
sww2109 - November 14, 2010 via mobile
absolutely. i was yelling at him through the tv to swat that INT down instead though, he had his entire body between braylon and the ball… it woulda been fourth and fourteen in their territory if i remember correctly, instead of a first down from our 3
i know you can’t exactly fault him for the pick, but that play pretty much set our ceiling at “tie” at that point
lukedurra - November 14, 2010
He's actually been pretty good
He’s made big plays this year, and very few drops. I think he only has 1 drop all year.
David G - November 15, 2010
Just wait.
Bernie19Kosar - November 15, 2010
Dear Braylon Edwards,
You basically were handled by a rookie CB. So shut the hell up.
Sincerely,
Browns fans who are tired of your BS.
PS- It is 6:30 PM on 11-14-2010, and you still suck.
shep615 - November 14, 2010
Ha!
Is talking shit after the game?
kingcrimson2 - November 14, 2010
Not that I know of… I was more talking about the trash talking he did before the game and then didn’t back it up.
shep615 - November 14, 2010
No, he was actually very reserved in his comments after the game.
Monsters of the Midway - November 15, 2010
I think I may have thrown up if Braylon scores that game winning td and not Holmes. Of course it never would have happened because he sucks, but just sayin
sww2109 - November 14, 2010 via mobile
+1
tribe71 - November 14, 2010
anybody know anything about fujita’s injury?
lukedurra - November 14, 2010
Tough loss, but it was amazing we sent it to overtime, considering all those field goal attempts by New York. It was a real gritty game, but even though our defense had some holes (and our secondary was nonexistent), and our offence could have done better, I was very proud of my Browns. We finished off this tough stretch of the schedule much better than anyone had anticipated, including ourselves.
It was nice hearing the “asshole” taunt at Braylon. This was my second Browns game in person, my first was last week. I made a poster that I took to the game, it said "Hey Braylon, thanks for “dropping” by!"
GO BROWNS!
Heavysoviet - November 14, 2010
Rec for your sign :)
shep615 - November 14, 2010
?
rufio - November 15, 2010
I am pretty sure that if we had Revis on our team, I would read at least one comment every few weeks saying that he should be cut.
TheDriveStillHurts - November 15, 2010
I like what you’re saying but give the secondary some credit. One of the two starting CBs goes down in the opening minutes against a Jets team that is stacked with receiving threats. They did a pretty good job all things considered. I mean, for the love of god, I even saw Sorenson in on one play as a DB.
Monsters of the Midway - November 15, 2010
I suppose I did miss a few things. It’s harder to analyze the game in person, no commentators showing replays and breaking it down. Haden played alright, but WHY WHY WHY is Eric Wrong still on this team? Everytime it seemed like New York was going to lose possession of the ball, Sanchez passed it to a wide open receiver. And where was Wright?
It;s not right to blame all our issues on the secondary because of him, for that I apologize, but I am so sick of seeing him out there.
Heavysoviet - November 15, 2010
I hate the fact that we lost this game just as much as anyone else.
But does anyone find it at least a little gratifying that pretty much EVERY Jets fan was wrong about the Browns?
Namely, I remember a whole gaggle of people saying that they would be surprised if Peyton Hillis got more than 50 yards. Then, there was the preposterous notion that their ST unit was anywhere close to better than ours. One of my personal favorites was that many of them thought the game wouldn’t even be close. Also, there’s the classic “Bring yo damn popcorn” comment… And Braylon Edwards hardly did anything. Then there’s the fact that none of them ever thought Colt McCoy would do anything against them.
The loss still breaks my heart, but it’s kinda sweet that they were so cocky and we showed them up.
shep615 - November 14, 2010
I agree completely, but still desperately wish we’d been able to point to the scoreboard as an exclamation point on all that!
RelapsingDawgCatcher - November 14, 2010
Not sure what you are talking about here
Most of our threads on GGN were respectful of the Browns, but we thought we had an advantage mostly because of matchup issues. I know Hillis got lots of props over there (he is exactly the kind of runner we love), we just didn’t expect he’d have another 100 yard game (don’t remember people saying 50 yards was the limit, but I could be wrong).
Eh, take it as you will… but other than a few blowhards (which every site has), I think most of us predicted a close game.
EVT - November 15, 2010
There was a total homer over here that was predicting we’d get blown out in every facet of the game.
North Coast Flea - November 15, 2010
more than one. I remember a couple at least.
bross09 - November 15, 2010
I haven’t gone over to GGN but those of you that have come over here have been great.
Monsters of the Midway - November 15, 2010
I spent a small amount of time over at GGN, but not an awful lot. I could be remembering wrong when I said “most” Jets fans. I do remember 2 specifically here at DBN. One said they didn’t expect the game to be a contest at all (beating us by anything less than 2 TDs would be a surprise) and I remember another person predicting Hillis would rush for 52 yards on the day (although I don’t remember if that was here at DBN or at GGN).
So in retrospect, I suppose saying “most” Jets fans was a little overblown for what I can support, and for that I apologize.
shep615 - November 15, 2010
No, you’re right. The couple of blowhards just made a disproportionate splash here. Generally, you guys were fine. Good game and best of luck (well, except for Braylon) going forward.
RelapsingDawgCatcher - November 15, 2010
I can understand that...
That aside, this was my first time here, and after GGN (I am biased of course) this is probably the coolest site on SBNation. I usually “lurk” around the page of whoever the Jets are playing that week just to get some outlook from the other side and it is usually nonsensical homerism or vitriolic attacks. You guys have more of a personal reason to come after “my” team (the Edwards thing) but have been, by and large, level headed and informative.
I wish the Browns the best of luck, but I don’t think they need it. Luck has been against you guys for a long time and you are turning it around anyway.
EVT - November 15, 2010
Finally back home after this game. This one had the whole gambit of emotions. I had a great seat at about the 7 yard line on the end where Massaquoi caught the tying TD pass. Stuckey’s fumble was also right in front of me.
There isn’t much to say that probably already hasn’t been said. There are a lot of IFs and BUTs in this game, but in the end, we were down 7 with 2 minutes left…and I honestly felt like the crowd believed we would tie up the game. And when we got the ball back in OT, I really thought it was over. I don’t remember feeling like that in a long, long time. In the end, this was a game we could have won, but didn’t. We’ll have more like this. I just hope we show the poise and character that we showed today. We’ll win these types of games in the future.
Loved the game, loved the crowd, and really love this team.
DisplacedBuckeye - November 14, 2010
Does anyone else kinda wish we’d taken Dez Bryant in the draft rather than Haden? Nothing against Haden, he looks very promising… But Dez Bryant is incredible
sww2109 - November 14, 2010 via mobile
He looks amazing, but give me an elite CB over WR.
We need another Haden.
Bernie19Kosar - November 14, 2010
Grabbing Bryant over Haden would’ve been a Savage move. Completely the wrong thing to do.
Bryant is amazing but Haden is exactly who we needed at that time.
SpecialBrownie - November 14, 2010
I think if we had any clue that Colt could perform at this level and that we would have a stud in Hillis maybe. But at the time I think Haden was the right choice.
Villeslgr - November 14, 2010
No thanks.
rufio - November 15, 2010
Okay, after I had time to cool, I thought of a few things.
-Turnovers need to end. WE NEED TO WIN THE TURNOVER BATTLE.
-Mistakes need to be kept to a minimum.
-You can’t plan for injuries.
-Hindsight is an extreme bitch.
-Either we’re really good or the Jets really suck.
-This game was a huge stalemate till the end obviously.
-We hung with the most stacked team in the NFL for till the last :16 in OT.
-I am 200% sure that McCoy is our QBOTF.
Do not let this win discourage you, we played tough, battled through injury and gave them hell. We can hang with anybody.
SpecialBrownie - November 14, 2010
Agreed. The first three points here were all pretty much covered in Mangini’s postgame presser. This team can (but of course won’t always) beat anyone.
RelapsingDawgCatcher - November 14, 2010
Yes. Things happen you can’t plan for, but we can clearly hang with the most talented teams in the NFL with the talent we have. When we get real, legitimate talent, we will be kicking some major asses.
Things I also thought about.
- Moore really needs to get in the lineup more. He handled Revis on that catch in perfect coverage.
-While Sanchez seriously sucks, his legs are non – human. He threw a 300+ man off his back in two occasions and played through a nasty bend in his knee.
-Haden shut B.E. out and looks as legit as Colt.
-After I cooled down, I’m still really proud of our team.
SpecialBrownie - November 14, 2010
Also, we need to start hauling in these possible INTs. So many have bounced off the palm of their hands, it’s ridiculous. When we start catching them, we will start becoming better. While the Offense was stagnant in the 2nd half, it was the D’s own fault for being out almost the entire half. They didn’t capitalize or stop when they needed to. They stayed tough but were bending far too much. THIS TEAM IS SO CLOSE, I PROMISE!
SpecialBrownie - November 14, 2010
Frustrating as hell, isn’t it? You could build a lowlights montage of the near-INTs we’ve had that would just drive a person crazy. We’re in the right places; it’s got to get better.
RelapsingDawgCatcher - November 14, 2010
completely agree; but how many years since the rebirth would those pass defenses have been long receptions for the opposition? probably quite a few. While we need some of those interceptions, overall I’m happy our guys are making plays on the ball.
Dawg Nuts - November 14, 2010
Quite right. I just can’t wait for our guys to start coming away with those balls!
RelapsingDawgCatcher - November 14, 2010
that’ll come in time.
a few hours later and I can honestly say I’ve never felt better in a losing effort than I do right now. I’m so proud to call myself a fan of this team.
Dawg Nuts - November 14, 2010
And not a bandwagon. You’re been through the worst and you are finally here for the best.
SpecialBrownie - November 14, 2010
right on SB!
this team looks clearly better even than the team that made the playoffs in 02. certainly better than the 2007 DA team. best since 1994 despite the record.
Dawg Nuts - November 14, 2010
No way this team is having a fluke season. This team goes deep. It isn’t like a steak that’s dark on the outside but rare inside. We’ll Well done all the way through.
SpecialBrownie - November 14, 2010
We’re*
SpecialBrownie - November 14, 2010
i’m always optimistic and feel like we’ll win, I’ve been that way even when we stunk; but I can honestly say being 7-6 going into the division games at the end is very realistic and very possible. I’d go so far as to say it’ll be disappointing if we’re not.
Dawg Nuts - November 14, 2010
The only thing that can wall us is injuries. But even injuries have allowed people to shine. McCoy, Hillis, Shaffering, Rubin… so who knows really.
SpecialBrownie - November 14, 2010
I’m still calling Wallace and Delhomme’s injuries a blessing in disguise to see McCoy.
emily522 - November 14, 2010
THIS
bross09 - November 15, 2010
Yep.
When was the last time an injury to a starter saw us upgrade?
LondonBrown - November 15, 2010
I’m with you guys. This is a solid team that ought to be damned proud of itself, and the indicators are all positive from here. Onward and upward!
RelapsingDawgCatcher - November 14, 2010
True stuff.
emily522 - November 14, 2010
re: ints…we had SO many tipped balls….those need to be ints.
discoinferno083 - November 14, 2010
I wonder what James Walker’s rookie rankings would look like now. A few weeks ago, after the pittsburgh game, Haden was 4th and Colt was tied for 5th. Since then, Colt has become QBOTF, and Haden has 2 picks and is significantly improved overall in coverage. Ward was already 1, so its possible we might have the 3 best rookies in our division right now.
bross09 - November 14, 2010
i really see Sanchez as a tool, but I have to give him props.
the kid’s a baller.
discoinferno083 - November 14, 2010
He made some nice plays but I am still not sure he will be more than a good NFL QB. I can’t see him becoming Peyton or Brady or Rodgers level.
rufio - November 15, 2010
few quarterbacks are.
discoinferno083 - November 15, 2010
I agree. But he won’t need to be. At least if the Jets continue to build their team the way they are. I felt like we were facing a Browns clone out there: trench warfare, stout defense, pound the ball. (I understand we aren’t there yet — but look to the Jets. That’s where we are going.)
Western Reserve - November 15, 2010
Not saying he will need to be there. But he will Trent Dilfer his way to a lot of wins and he won’t have everything to do with them. People will blast us for not drafting a “winning” QB with that pick.
rufio - November 17, 2010
I think our give-aways are nearly as low as you can expect from a team, what we really need to do is increase our take-aways.
9James - November 14, 2010
This is what the second sentence meant. Defense is not getting the ball enough, it’s aggravating.
SpecialBrownie - November 14, 2010
The turnovers killed us. We are usually a solid team at limiting them (13th in the league). We only have 13 turnovers (1.6 pg) and 5 total fumbles lost (.6 pg) and we had 2 fumbles lost today. I think he was referring to the game had too many turnovers. Before this, the turnover battle was pretty much even (+2 in 8 games and 14th in the league). We are doing well at limiting turnovers, but we also don’t force many turnovers either and this lack of turnovers gives us a small margin for error.
bross09 - November 15, 2010
Great game despite the loss. We sent the best team in the NFL to 16 seconds left in overtime!
I’d have really loved a win, and I was insanely nervous that entire game, but…
You can’t pin this on Stuckey.
One thing is certain THE BROWNS ARE BACK BABY! I love that fact! Colt is the REAL DEAL!
Simmsinns - November 14, 2010
No way you can pin this on Stuckey. Hindsight makes it easy too but he did what was best for the situation at that time and the defender made a great play for the ball. It’s always easy to go back on a loss and bitch on stuff but we had our oppurtunities to win. AND EVEN THEN, we still took them to :16 in OT.
Everyone should be scared to play us.
SpecialBrownie - November 14, 2010
I pin this CLOSE loss on Folk. His three misses kept this close and this game more than any spotlighted our deficiencies as a team. (WR, CB’s, Injuries, Turnovers) and despite these deficiencies we held our own.
SBP - November 15, 2010
I want to share a story with you. I have a place in Mexico City, and when I am there on the weekends I watch my beloved Browns and Colt in a Mexican betting partlor called Caliente´s. It is about 1,000 square feet and has about 50 Mexicans in there that bet and watch American football. Today I am in there with the Mexicans, I am watching the Browns, and they are more focused on all the other games. As the Browns game gets late, they start watching the game, and they are so taken by the Browns effort the entire place starts rooting for the Browns. During the final 2 minute drive, the entire place is yelling vamonos Colt! When the Browns score to tie, the whole place goes nuts. The Browns effort today turned about 50 Mexicans that could have cared less into Browns fans. We lost, bummer. But I have never been prouder of a Browns team, and I go back aways. This team left it all on the field and were beaten by a better team. They would have won if they would have played perfect, but we will have to settle for perfect effort and perfect grit.
realmccoy - November 14, 2010
No. Jets are either equal to us or just straight ass lucky. Granted, we had plenty of chances to win but in no way are they better.
SpecialBrownie - November 14, 2010
Here is what I saw
1. Their WRs were so much more dangerous
2. 2 very nice RBs that had plenty of YAC vs. 1 for Browns.
3. 2 shutdown CBs that just drape the WRs and let the safeties blitz or run support without fear.
4. Everything else fairly equal, with the exception we had better K.
realmccoy - November 14, 2010
You can have all the pieces and straight suck.
They were at most, as good as us regardless of the fact that they have another RB or more dangerous WRs. You need to use them too. That’s why they play.
SpecialBrownie - November 14, 2010
I personally don´t think we join the upper echelon teams until we get freakish playmaker in the receiving corps. Until we get there, we will not have a margin of error and will have to play perfect. Colt had 2 or 3 throw aways in the 2nd half that turned into 3 and outs. On a couple of them, there was perfect camera angles that showed Jets DBs perfectly covering everyone. WRs were not even working to come back. Was weird.
realmccoy - November 14, 2010
I didn’t say we were in the top level. You said the Jets are a better team and they simply aren’t. Yes, until we get talent, we need to play perfect but we’re good regardless. As good if not a little better than the Jets, we just didn’t capitalize when we needed to.
SpecialBrownie - November 14, 2010
The Jets out-scored us, out-gained us, and out-possessed us. We were close, but we’re not as good as them.
Chemo - November 14, 2010
The Jets BARELY outscored us. Granted though, they worked our D pretty well. But I don’t think they are THAT much better.
SpecialBrownie - November 14, 2010
Like I said, we were close, but they were better.
Chemo - November 14, 2010
One play better, ultimately.
RelapsingDawgCatcher - November 14, 2010
I can agree with this. If we have an AJ Green, or another legit receiving threat (if he will become that, that is) who can make plays and stretch the field, I think we win this game.
bross09 - November 15, 2010
Heck, if the crappy receiver we already have protects the ball with two arms, we win this game.
Chemo - November 15, 2010
probably true. You never know, but its more than likely.
bross09 - November 15, 2010
This is really the story. Today they were the better team by one play and 6 points.
rufio - November 15, 2010
I think we’ve proven that we can not only stick with, but flat out destroy the upper echelon teams.
Simmsinns - November 14, 2010
Yea, the Jets, Pats, and Steelers all have to be in the discussion for Super Bowl favorites. You could argue we hung with the Steelers, we definitely hung with the Jets, and we smoked the Pats. With McCoy at QB, we are looking like a playoff caliber team. Let’s develop these young guys and hope that a more favorable schedule next year puts us in the playoffs.
Roger Dorn - November 14, 2010
F a favorable schedule, no excuses. One more good draft and a good offseason of development and we’re playoff caliber. No schedule excuses.
SpecialBrownie - November 14, 2010
We can play with the best, but the scheduling plays a pretty big role in surprise teams and the like.
Roger Dorn - November 14, 2010
Agreed, there’s nothing wrong with hoping you have a little easier schedule. Still, I also agree with that won’t be an acceptable excuse.
Simmsinns - November 14, 2010
…like the raider, Chiefs, Jags, Buccaneers, Bears.
All are surprise teams that have feasted on a poor schedule.
bross09 - November 15, 2010
Which two divisions do we play next year?
JulioBernazard - November 15, 2010
AFC South & NFC West I believe. But if there is an 18 game schedule (bad, bad idea), this may all change. We are never going to have an “easy” schedule because of the division we play in.
TheDriveStillHurts - November 15, 2010
NFC West would be fantastic. So would AFC West.
Roger Dorn - November 15, 2010
AFC south could be tough. But still, we probably won’t be top 2 in SoS
bross09 - November 15, 2010
18-game sched is the worst idea I’ve ever heard.
JulioBernazard - November 15, 2010
Yup. It’s already hard enough keeping people healthy for a whole 16 game season.
I especially like that the owners don’t want to pay the players more for playing 2 more games a year.
TheDriveStillHurts - November 15, 2010
yes. Its just as brilliant of an idea as when Ohio wanted to add 20 extra days to the school year but pay the teachers, administrators, and others employed by the school the same salary.
bross09 - November 15, 2010
The middle was open nearly every time we had a 3 man rush. 1st down city for the L.T.
Monsters of the Midway - November 15, 2010
Nice story, thanks for sharing that one!
RelapsingDawgCatcher - November 14, 2010
Rec. That is an awesome story. Although I’ve never been to the D.F. I love Mexico.
Monsters of the Midway - November 15, 2010
Great to hear. Colt has a lot of fan in Texas and now he is famous in Ohio and Mexico too. Orale!
Rob P - November 15, 2010
In high school here in Southern California (about 15 years ago), a group of Mexican-Americans wore Browns gear. Puzzled me as to why so I eventually asked and it was because they liked the name, i.e., “Brown Pride.” Kind of funny. Though not as popular as Raiders & Cowboys gear with that set, it was still cool.
TheDriveStillHurts - November 15, 2010
well 3 hours later and this still sucks. I know we should be ecstatic with how well this team is playing, and I know it was foolish to get my hopes up so much (daring to think playoffs), but I just can’t help feeling terrible right now.
notthatnoise - November 14, 2010
It really bites that we lost. There’s time today to feel terrible. Tomorrow is the day for optimism.
shep615 - November 14, 2010
I went to Chipotle with the girl and had time to cool. I’m over the sad feeling and back to optimism.
SpecialBrownie - November 14, 2010
Chipotle. I can understand why you are happy :) Srsly… I want some Chipotle SO bad. The closest one is 45 minutes away.
shep615 - November 14, 2010
Here are some of my thoughts:
1. I have not seen a 2 minute drive executed like that by the Browns since the return. WOW. Loved when Colt ran to the line and snuck for the first down. DA would have had his hands in the air indicating “I need a play I need a play.”
2. As much as I love Colt, that was a great playcall by Daboll and he missed Watson on his worst throw of the last 3 weeks. I cannot blame Daboll for the call, I appreciate the fact the team was trying everything to win the game.
3. Stuckey´s fumble was a killer, but I felt somewhat better about that because he was trying – while Eric´s miss at the end of the game looked like a lack of effort. Don´t know if it is just a body language thing with him, but he looked totally lackadaisical on the play. He looked like a lollygagger.
4. Does Sanchez have strength a little like Big Ben or were we just whiffing on tackles? Anyway, hat tip to Sanchez, he did not play great, but he played very tough, and earned the win.
realmccoy - November 14, 2010
Yes, McCoy whiffed on the Watson pass and if someone criticizes Mangini for not going for the tie is a straight dumbass.
SpecialBrownie - November 14, 2010
Think Colt was a tad too concerned about a safety and rushed it.
realmccoy - November 14, 2010
I agree going for the win was a good choice. The problem is that on second down he did go for the tie by running the ball. I say he should have kept throwing it. Either way, there is nothing to be down about, the Game was great and the Brown’s players and coaches did everything they could to win. Ties suck , but loses are worse. I fault no one, they tried their best it just did not work out. GO BROWNS!
champion64 - November 15, 2010
He wasn’t going for the tie, he was aiming for “3rd and manageable”. The quote is in the fanshot link about Vegeta and Yates getting injured.
North Coast Flea - November 16, 2010
Point 1 is dead on. It’s easy to get caught up in the fact that we lost, but there is so much to take away from the past 3 weeks: 2-1 against 3 of the best teams in the league. Last years browns would have lost all those games 35-7
sww2109 - November 14, 2010 via mobile
…last years browns team that won 4 in a row.
the team before that would have lost 56-0
bross09 - November 15, 2010
Just saw how the Texans lost, wow.
Roger Dorn - November 14, 2010
i know, right?
discoinferno083 - November 14, 2010
Hate to date myself – but brought back flashbacks on the Viking game we lost in the Cardiac kid era.
realmccoy - November 14, 2010
I couldn’t stand Ahmad Rashad and Felicia Rashad and the Cosby show and all of the Cosby kids because of that catch! (Through the transitive property of a lucky hail mary catch.)
tribe71 - November 14, 2010
that was December 1980, and the the Browns had to beat Cincinnati to win the division and get into the playoffs the next week. Lets forget the last game of that year, red right 88!
champion64 - November 15, 2010
Please, thanks!
RelapsingDawgCatcher - November 15, 2010
Yeah…really…. ;)
Red-Right-88 - November 15, 2010
Great game
As a Jets fan, just wanted to say great game and wish you guys luck the rest of the way. Hillis is such a beast, I was glad they went away of from him a bit in the 2nd half, which I think was a mistake. McCoy looks like a keeper, he just needs to get more vertical, and some better receivers would help with that. If you guys can land Floyd or Green in the draft, or get a free agent, you are on your way. It’s crazy how about 4 or 5 plays can be the difference between a 6-3 team or a 3-6 team.
David G - November 14, 2010
I definitely feel like we are 4 or 5 plays away from a great record. I think a little more depth at WR and the D-Line and we won’t have to play every game absolutely perfectly to win.
BiggieBrown - November 14, 2010
Thanks! It means a lot for me personally to hear that. I don’t know how you felt about the Browns before the game, but most of the people I saw on GGN basically looked at us as a powderpuff team that didn’t have a chance to even be close to the Jets. And many fans of other teams don’t give us a second glance because our record is 3-6. But we know that we’re better than our record indicates, and it seems like you see the same thing. Which makes me happy.
Plus, I always like to see classy fans from the opposing team.
shep615 - November 14, 2010
what shep said. thanks for stopping by, and good luck
lukedurra - November 14, 2010
Congrats on the hard-fought victory.
rufio - November 15, 2010
ON THE COTCHERY TD.
I do not think it was Ward’s fault. They showed an overheard view during the game and WHAT LOOKED LIKE WHAT HAPPENED was that Fujita got lost in the middle of the field and left Cotchery to the endzone and Ward was the only one who could come in in time and got the bad rep for the play.
IT COULD HAVE BEEN Fujita’s fault.
SpecialBrownie - November 14, 2010
I agree with you. I think Elam or perhaps a CB should have been in the picture. Looked like TJ may have been just the first person to recognize the blown coverage.
realmccoy - November 14, 2010
It looked like 2 deep zone to me. Either Fujita has to “Tampa” back there, or the CB has to carry the WR all the way down the sideline while the safety is in the middle, or the safety from the other side needs to shift to the middle once there is no vertical threat on his side.
Didn’t take too many looks at it but that’s what it looked like to me. If you are Ward and you have to pick one to defend, you probably take the middle guy (play defense inside-out) and make them make the harder throw to the outside.
In any event, a smart and well-executed play against 2 deep.
rufio - November 15, 2010
you are right it was the linebacker who did not drop deep enough into coverage. Just a blown play, that is going to happen.
champion64 - November 15, 2010
Pats are out for blood.
SpecialBrownie - November 14, 2010
I hope so, I’m in an extremely tight fantasy game in my $ league, and they have Pitts defense. I’m hoping the Pats light them up.
Simmsinns - November 14, 2010
Anyone have any idea why Hernandez is 3rd on the TE depth chart all the sudden?
Bernie19Kosar - November 14, 2010
Really?! I was not aware of this, and I nearly started him with Tamme being questionable, luckily I still went with Tamme.
Simmsinns - November 14, 2010
He’s still playing.
SpecialBrownie - November 14, 2010
It’s weird.
They are using Gronkowski and Crumpler all over the field. It’s killing me in fantasy, I am playing Dwayne Bowe in two leagues. Garbage time master.
Bernie19Kosar - November 14, 2010
Gameplan-specific.
rufio - November 15, 2010
Hernandez 3rd on DC=Not calling McCoy a starter.
Thinking it’s an advantage.
SpecialBrownie - November 14, 2010
Our 2010 draft is looking awfully sweet so far.
Roger Dorn - November 14, 2010
If Mitchell can develop and Ward develops hands, it’s gold.
SpecialBrownie - November 14, 2010
Hardesty returns. Lauvao steps in at RG at some point. Mitchell develops into a starting caliber WR and it might be the best Browns draft in a landslide.
Roger Dorn - November 14, 2010
Lauvao was in much more than Yates today. I think he’s already there.
SpecialBrownie - November 14, 2010
He made some mistakes, but he was playing a lot today.
rufio - November 15, 2010
a lot of if’s.
The Licensed Pessimist - November 14, 2010
No. He only mention three players. One is already playing a lot on the line, the other was a pick in the 7th(?) round. The only one that would really matter is Hardesty and even if he fails it’s at least a B- draft.
SpecialBrownie - November 14, 2010
Agreed, three “if” scenarios is not a lot, and one is fairly likely.
Simmsinns - November 14, 2010
3 players is 40% of the draft
He essentially said that if every player we drafted ended up being good, it would be a good draft.
you don’t say!!
The Licensed Pessimist - November 14, 2010
No, he essentially said that if, 1 player we drafted returns, 1 player we drafted takes over at RG fulltime, and 1 player drafted ends up starting caliber, then it would be our best draft in a landslide.
Simmsinns - November 14, 2010
He didn’t say that. Haden looks good. Ward looks good. Hardesty is hurt. McCoy looks good, Lauvao looks promising and seemed good today. Gaithers didn’t pan out, Mitchell is still developing and Asante is developing as well on the PS.
Only one left the team and others seem promising. This is the best draft we’ve had in a while even at this point. He said that if most panned out, it’d be one of our best drafts ever. That’s what he said Rocland.
SpecialBrownie - November 14, 2010
I would have never guessed.
If the players we drafted pan out, then it would be a good draft. Historical!
Maybe even if the players we drafted end up being the best ever, it would be the vest ever draft!
The Licensed Pessimist - November 14, 2010
Wow, you’re dumb.
SpecialBrownie - November 14, 2010
did holmgren consult tressel this year?
Dawg Nuts - November 14, 2010
Maybe it’s a german joke since he put up Einstein?
But Rocland isn’t smart enough to make that joke, so it’s a typo. I mean the V is right next to the B.
SpecialBrownie - November 14, 2010
right, probably has sausage fingers.
Dawg Nuts - November 14, 2010
3 players is 40% of the draft, and if you score a 40% and everyone else scores 25%, you’re doing pretty good. A 90% is a terrible score if the other teams score 95%. It’s relative, not absolute.
rufio - November 15, 2010
I am saying if those happen we have the best draft in our history. It’s definitely a long shot.
Roger Dorn - November 14, 2010
even so, we are getting some of the best early returns out of that draft in the league. The only team I would say you can make a legit argument for is Kansas City.
bross09 - November 15, 2010
You are right. Best draft in a long long time.
champion64 - November 15, 2010
Remember when Grossi said that McCoy might get cut in training camp. That was cute.
Roger Dorn - November 14, 2010
The Plain Dealer is so bad, Lerner won’t even talk to them.
SpecialBrownie - November 14, 2010
Ha.
At least we have our GBOTF. Unless he doesn’t implode, he makes this draft way easier for us. That tying drive with less than 2 minutes just sealed my faith in him.
emily522 - November 14, 2010
Our Gilded Balls Of The Future?
Chemo - November 14, 2010
Fail. QBOTF haha.
emily522 - November 14, 2010
Gastric Bypass of the Future.
golanbatrac - November 14, 2010
of the Father*
SpecialBrownie - November 14, 2010
Great Browns of the Fall
LondonBrown - November 15, 2010
Whoa! Cowboys beat the Giants????
emily522 - November 14, 2010
By 13 points nonetheless.
SpecialBrownie - November 14, 2010
The guy who I played in fantasy benched the following:
Moreno: 21 points
Percy Harvin: 12 points
Blount: 15 points
emily522 - November 14, 2010
My bench had 3 points.
Simmsinns - November 14, 2010
Mine had 12 (Miles Austin), which is fine because Mario Manningham scored more.
emily522 - November 14, 2010
I had Matt Cassel (40) and Felix Jones (20) on my bench.
notthatnoise - November 15, 2010
NOOOOO
Moreno had 21 Points??
I HATE him as a fantasy player. First he explodes, then he gets hurt, then he has a great game, then he has 2 games of suck, then this. I dunno what to do with him. I keep benching him when he is awesome.
bross09 - November 15, 2010
i stay away from inconsistent tools. And from anything even distantly related to J. McDaniels (Save Peyton Hillis)
discoinferno083 - November 15, 2010
“relations” isn’t the same as “related to”
Dawg Nuts - November 15, 2010
I love this Browns team. Without a doubt the easiest team to root for in 15 years.
I know we lost, and that sucks. But I don’t know if I have ever been more proud to rock my Browns shirt.
Bernie19Kosar - November 14, 2010
You would not believe all the Browns fans struting their jerseys and throw overs at target and Chipotle.
I almost wanted to cry I was so proud.
SpecialBrownie - November 14, 2010
Agreed.
emily522 - November 14, 2010
These refs have called two sacks where Ben hasn’t even touched the ground.
WTF?
SpecialBrownie - November 14, 2010
hahahahaha missed the FG.
emily522 - November 14, 2010
I think he was tipsy. Only way he thought that would have made it.
SpecialBrownie - November 14, 2010
I want to watch that game tying drive by McCoy again.
emily522 - November 14, 2010
I love this guy.
emily522 - November 14, 2010
That was an awesome clip from the press conference. If “he’s a winner” can ever hold weight, it’s with relation to Colt. Winning attitude all over him.
rufio - November 15, 2010
I wish more of our fans could recognize this. A lot of so-called Browns fans out there want to lynch this guy for that fumble, convinced by Captain Hindsight. They are so quick to forget his vital touchdown last week. It’s his, and others, effort that is a huge reason we are where we are right now.
Simmsinns - November 15, 2010
I don’t want to lynch him, I just want him to hold on to the ball.
I admire that he wanted to gain extra yards. But a player needs to understand that even though you are trying to gain extra yards, in that position, at that time, ball security is of the utmost importance.
My heart goes out to Stuckey, because it looked like it really hurt him to lose that ball. Hopefully the next time Stuckey, or any of his team mates, find themselves in that situation, they will protect the ball. That is what this season is about. Learning how to make winning plays when it matters.
Bernie19Kosar - November 15, 2010
Yep, exactly.
Western Reserve - November 15, 2010
Then you’re not the kind of fan I’m referring to. I’m talking about the guys that are literally asking for his home address for god knows what reason, the kind of fan that would send Ryan Hamby death threats, the kind of fan that would vandalize Leodis McKelvin’s lawn. Also, the kind of fan that now hates Stuckey but is too much of a coward (thank god) to actually do anything about outside of shouting on the internet.
Those people are out there, and its not a small number, unfortunately.
As for “I just want him to hold on to the ball.” Well, obviously. What fan doesn’t want their team to not fumble? If you want to harp on something, Hillis’ fumbling issues are much more of a problem than Stuckey’s.
Simmsinns - November 15, 2010
I agree with what you said. I initially blamed Stuckey as a knee jerk, but yeah… he needs to hold onto the football. One day later and I’m pretty much over this loss, and it’s not like I’m calling for his head.
emily522 - November 15, 2010
3 fumbles out of 200 touches is not worse that 3 out of 30. And please don’t lump me in with the “off with his head” crowd, but to say Hillis’ fumble issues are worse is incorrect.
North Coast Flea - November 16, 2010
Agreed. they are a problem, but not a bigger problem.
bross09 - November 16, 2010
Exactly.
emily522 - November 15, 2010
Also want to point out that the Jets have allowed 48% to QBs on average. Colt was 58%. Aaron Rodgers a week ago was 44%.
emily522 - November 14, 2010
There has to be a bird or something living in Reed’s beard. So disgusting.
SpecialBrownie - November 14, 2010
Wut?
emily522 - November 14, 2010
…wut?
SpecialBrownie - November 14, 2010
Interesting
emily522 - November 14, 2010
The best part about this quote is that part of “what we are doing” is getting rid of characters like Braylon.
Roger Dorn - November 14, 2010
Brilliant.
Chemo - November 15, 2010
You could see it in Edwards face during the game, realizing this team was right there with the JETS, maybe the Browns are just a little young. He knew it was not going to be easy all day after the first quarter and Edwards talking crap stopped. It was a Great game
champion64 - November 15, 2010
I still hate this a-hole.
Talk sh*t all week, then pretend like your humbled after our rookie defender shuts you down. Nah, I’m not buying it.
Simmsinns - November 15, 2010
Tonight is one of the only times I will ever root for the Patriots. A Steelers loss tonight will go a long ways towards making me feel better about today.
Browns town - November 14, 2010
Like I said, we can look on the brightside. We could be 7-6 after the next four games!
emily522 - November 14, 2010
Good for Logan Mankins.
Polamalu was just bending Brady’s head back on the QB sneak. Mankins came up and brained him.
The Steelers are top to bottom dirty douchebags.
Bernie19Kosar - November 14, 2010
Losing top to bottom dirty douchebags.
Pat fns are holding up their end of the bargain.
SpecialBrownie - November 14, 2010
Sigh…I just wish we had done the same.
Browns town - November 14, 2010
I think Pat fans took that as acceptable.
SpecialBrownie - November 14, 2010
Fathead has a few good ones of the Browns. Especially Hillis, which I was surprised to see.
SpecialBrownie - November 14, 2010
This was the first full game I have seen McCoy play. I like what I saw he looks to be on his way to a bright career. Hard not to come away from this game with a lot of respect for the Browns. Good luck to you guys the rest of the way.
BL3ACH - November 14, 2010
Thanks
Roger Dorn - November 14, 2010
McCoy’s presser, while slightly depressing, is exactly how I want my QBOTF to sound.
SpecialBrownie - November 14, 2010
I really hope Mangini doesn’t dance around the question of him starting next week.
emily522 - November 14, 2010
It’s a Belicheck thing. I doubt he ends it next week. But don’t worry, McCoy will be starting.
SpecialBrownie - November 14, 2010
yeah, completely agree. there surely can’t be any doubt within the locker room. Mangini’s tactics are likely exactly what rufio described in an earlier thread, setting teams up for that 1% chance we do the unexpected.
Dawg Nuts - November 14, 2010
By the way we’re officially 3rd in the division ;).
emily522 - November 14, 2010
Still? But the Bengals won didn’t they?
SpecialBrownie - November 14, 2010
Nope. They’re 2-7. They lost.
emily522 - November 14, 2010
Oh, that is so amazing.
And the Steelers are going to lose too.
So, today wasn’t a total loss.
SpecialBrownie - November 14, 2010
Nope. Would’ve been nice to get that win to capitalize on these losses, but I won’t dwell on it. We got a lighter stretch coming up, and I look forward to it.
Actually, everyone in the division lost this week.
emily522 - November 14, 2010
Tough week for the AFC North. Woulda been awesome to pick up a game on everyone.
JulioBernazard - November 15, 2010
Assuming New England doesn’t implode in the next 4 and a half game minutes, every AFC North team will have lost this week.
Browns town - November 14, 2010
Ravens had a bye though right?
SpecialBrownie - November 14, 2010
Lost to the Falcons.
emily522 - November 14, 2010
They lost to Atlanta on Thursday night.
Browns town - November 14, 2010
Oh, I missed it so I forgot.
SpecialBrownie - November 14, 2010
I both loved and hated that game. My opponent in one of my leagues had Matt Ryan and Roddy White. Their two scores alone may be enough to beat me this week.
Browns town - November 14, 2010
White gave my opponent 26 points. He single handedly won his game.
SpecialBrownie - November 14, 2010
Mine’s in a point per reception league, so his 12 catches put him at 38 points. Combined with Ryan’s 33, I’m doing well to only be down 45 right now.
Browns town - November 14, 2010
I lost by 60.
SpecialBrownie - November 14, 2010
Ouch. Condolences.
Browns town - November 14, 2010
If you think that is bad, I played Dwayne Bowe in two leagues.
He benefited from playing on a team that absolutely got destroyed. I never want to hear that Champ Bailey is an elite corner anymore.
Bernie19Kosar - November 14, 2010
Haha, I have Bowe in my money league and sat him because of Bailey. I suck
Roger Dorn - November 14, 2010
I don’t mind, as long as McCoy is getting all the work with the ones in practice.
If we are dividing up practice time between Wallace, Delhomme and McCoy, I will be all sorts of pissed.
It’s one thing to keep the media and other teams guessing, it’s another thing when you are screwing with development.
Bernie19Kosar - November 14, 2010
I posted above some statement to this effect (i.e. Mangini should name him the starter…).
Got an earful from many of you saying it makes no difference whatsoever whether announces a starter to the media.
bross09 called me out: “I think you are putting your longhorns fanhood and love for McCoy WAY ahead of the browns”.
bross09 was right, so I need to own up to that. I’ve become a Browns fan by way of following McCoy – I admit it.
Its also true though that I haven’t have an NFL team to root for since my St. Louis Cardinals packed up for Arizona 20 years ago (ived in Austin for the last 15 years continuing to root against the Cowboys who were the bane of my Cardinals existence – never gave a damn about Houston).
I can relate to the Browns fans – the perennial underdog fan:
http://www.sportsecyclopedia.com/nfl/azstl/cardsstl.html
I’ll probably be a Browns fan from here on out regardless (of my Longhorns/Colt loyalties) because I’ve been watching them closer than I have any NFL team in years and been a long time since I’ve been this excited following an NFL team.
To all the posters who are discouraged, disheartened, etc. (I read a post on another site: “Browns were ready to take a big step fwd in a signature/watershed game. Chanci Stuckey dashed any hopes of that”). Take it from an “outsider” who has been a defacto fan of the underdog, if the past five weeks don’t make you excited and give you BIG hope, you need an attitude adjustment. I believe this team is bound for the ‘elite ranks’ in the very near future. Maybe the playoffs won’t be in the cards this year, but they are headed that direction like a freight train. CHINS UP – THE BROWNS ARE QUICKLY BECOMING A CONTENDER.
Ok, maybe its just my burnt orange bias, but I still hope they go ahead and Colt the starter – to the media, and I do think it matters ;-)
burntorangeandbrown - November 15, 2010
Beyond not really bothering about Mangini’s eccentricities, I identify with this post.
LondonBrown - November 15, 2010
he’s moving in that direction
SBP - November 15, 2010
Just watched it. Absolutely love this guy.
Roger Dorn - November 14, 2010
When he describes what he did in the huddle before the drive in regulation, I realize that we have our QB.
Bernie19Kosar - November 14, 2010
“We’re gonna score and we’re gonna win in OT.”
It didn’t come into fruition but the fact that he is such a god damn leader in that huddle is enough.
SpecialBrownie - November 14, 2010
Damn Troy Smith with 356 yards today.
emily522 - November 14, 2010
Steelers are so dirty.
SpecialBrownie - November 14, 2010
yup. its almost like they can’t help it. it just comes naturally to them to be dirty.
Dawg Nuts - November 14, 2010
Losers. Literally.
RelapsingDawgCatcher - November 15, 2010
this may be crazy optimism, and I’m not sure I really believe it’ll happen, but we could potentially still win the division. we take care of business in these next 4 games and we may control our own destiny (without going into how illogical the phrase “controlling your own destiny” seems).
Dawg Nuts - November 15, 2010
I like the crazy optimism, DN. If we finish .500 I’ll be thrilled regardless, but I like the optimism. Any team, any week!
RelapsingDawgCatcher - November 15, 2010
DBN. Where crazy optimism smothers Licensed Pessimism.
Villeslgr - November 15, 2010
In the ODBN Fantasy League, I start Peyton Manning, who was outscored this week by Colt McCoy, who I have as a backup. Who in the wide, wide world of sports would have ever imagined that coming into this season? I think I’ll stick with Manning for awhile though…
Dawg Nuts - November 15, 2010
Henne and Pennington out for the season. No way we lose to Miami
SpecialBrownie - November 15, 2010
Man, they’re both out for the year? Talk about bad luck for them….
RelapsingDawgCatcher - November 15, 2010
Too bad they aren’t grooming Thigpen for QBOTF.
They could be like us. HA! They wish.
SpecialBrownie - November 15, 2010
They’re bringing Jamarcus in for a look see this week.
golanbatrac - November 15, 2010
Please let Jamarcus start against us.
Roger Dorn - November 15, 2010
Yes please.
North Coast Flea - November 15, 2010
Tom Jackson so loves the Cleveland Browns.
SpecialBrownie - November 15, 2010
What did he say?
Red-Right-88 - November 15, 2010
We crush Pats, Pats crush Steelers.
I know the transitive property doesn’t work in sports, but I like where this is going.
Simmsinns - November 15, 2010
Me too.
North Coast Flea - November 15, 2010
question: who is “Brian Daybol”?
discoinferno083 - November 15, 2010
So, I was working Sunday and I burned the Browns game into my HDD. Came back home at around 11 PM and watched the fastest football game of my life. No commercials, no halftime, no punts :)
I think the Jets were the better team yesterday, but we gave them a fair fight. They dominated us on the second half and we did jack **** on offense minus the final drive.
In my opinion, we lost the game because
1) we couldn’t stop them on third down
2) we don’t have a backup RB that can spot Hillis
I was impressed by TJ Ward on coverage and by our tight ends. Watson is a hell of a player and I loved that catch by Moore against Revis. Very concerned about the injury to Sheldon Brown given Eric Wright’s continued poor play.
BuenosAires_Dawg - November 15, 2010
2 point conversion
I would have loved to see Mangini go for the 2 point conversion at the end of regulation. I think it would have been worth taking the risk to get the win straight out.
kedda13 - November 15, 2010
All the trickery lately I thought maybe that was gonna happen. This is a hard working team that lately has been outsmarting opponents…just need a few more players.
Red-Right-88 - November 15, 2010
I would have loved to have seen it as well, but imagine the chitstorm if we failed to convert.
Villeslgr - November 15, 2010
Ummm… Why is it impossible for us to come back 3 games in the last 7 weeks of the season? Why is it improbable? I read somewhere that the Browns have basically been demoted to the role of “spoiler” after yesterday’s loss, but is it crazy to think that we could win the next 4 and be in position to make a move on the playoffs?
If the Jets and Ravens can take care of business against the Steelers, that gives them 2 more losses headed into our game, so they’d have 5 losses.
The Ravens play the Buccs, Saints, and Texans between now and the end of the season. I could see them losing 2 of those games at least, which puts them at 5 losses.
SO, if we go 5-0 against teams that we really should beat, we could be in position to at least snag 2nd place and be competing for 1st place. Are we really as far behind as people think we are? I mean, the Steelers imploded during the 2nd half last season, so it’s not outside the realm of possibility… Plus, they’re getting pretty banged up.
Playoffs would be icing on the cake and might be a bit of a stretch, but I think it’s at LEAST well within reach to finish ahead of the Steelers. Which would make me SO giddy about this year it wouldn’t even be funny.
shep615 - November 15, 2010
I could see the Ravens losing to the Saints, but not either of those other two teams.
woodsmeister - November 15, 2010
I will pray :)
shep615 - November 15, 2010
Let’s face it: I don’t think anyone here legitimately thought we would have a chance at the Playoffs given our division and our team at the beginning of the year. Add to that, some of the games we marked on the calendar as “easy wins” happened to be the real up and coming teams of the year (see: Bucs, Chiefs).
We have had an absolutely brutal schedule. Just brutal. And we’re 3-6. One or two plays go differently in a few games and we’re actually 6-3/7-2. That’s damn impressive. I don’t think this season is a complete loss if we don’t make the playoffs. I think we have a LOT of young talent at some positions that will have learned a lot from the close losses and the close wins. And we’ll come back next year hopefully adding some talent to WR and our secondary and be a threat to make the playoffs.
I’m more than proud and happy of this team. I just like them. They have real character. Let’s not forget that if we happen to lose a game or two down the stretch.
DisplacedBuckeye - November 15, 2010
Oh that’s def. true. I’m still really happy about the way we’ve played in every single game this season, and (provided we continue to play at or above the level we’ve played for most of the season and we keep improving) I will be very happy about this season. But at the same time, I’ll hope for playoffs as long as there’s even a slight possibility we can make it :)
shep615 - November 15, 2010
Well, for starters, we have to go on the road against a 5-4 team this week.
dgcambridge - November 15, 2010
Win out, see what happens.
Simmsinns - November 15, 2010
Exactly. I’m happy any time the Ravens or Steelers lose, but really we just need to keep winning games and see what happens in the end.
HenryDawg - November 15, 2010
Nope.
Miami is now down to Tyler Thigpen. We can stop their running game and they are bad if you make them pass. They also only have 1 win at home and have beaten up on some crap teams (and one OT win against the Packers)
The Bills have been pretty bad, plus they got their first win so we don’t have to face a hungry, winless team. thats a game where they can’t pass for 300 yds with Fitzpatrick
Jaguars suck. They have beaten up on some bad teams and the only way they can beat a competitive team is on a miracle play.
Carolina Sucks. Plain and Simple.
Yeah, I think we can win the next 4 and possibly win 6 more games or even as much as 7
bross09 - November 15, 2010
I have always liked Tyler Thigpen. Can’t really put a finger on why, but I think he is a playmaker.
Bernie19Kosar - November 15, 2010
I have always kinda liked him too…But I still think Henne is a better option for them to win.
bross09 - November 15, 2010
Eh, it’s probably crazy. I expect us to be competitive in the weeks ahead, but we do have to play four of the next five on the road.
Western Reserve - November 15, 2010
but those 4 road teams have a combined record of 13-23 (an average of less than 6-10 if projected out over 16 games). the only team I ACTUALLY worry about is Miami, but they are down to a 3rd string QB. Jacksonville’s luck can only last so long, and Cincy and Buffalo just plain suck.
bross09 - November 15, 2010
Sure. But the way you just described it, 2-2 sounds very possible. That’s all I really mean.
Western Reserve - November 15, 2010
2-2 sounds very possible, but so does 4-0. I would say 4-0 could be difficult if Miami wasn’t down to their 3rd QB. It still won’t be easy, I just have confidence considering the way we have played that we are the better team in all 4 games.
bross09 - November 15, 2010
Everyone thought we sucked through 11 weeks last season too.
Bernie19Kosar - November 15, 2010
I’m thinking we’re able to win those next 4 games and that we should be favored. I’m not taking it as a given though, and I think that’s what bross is talking about.
emily522 - November 15, 2010
exactly. I will not take those games as a given. Even buffalo won’t be easy. Granted, I consider carolina a given, but I think they may be the worst team in the league right now. They are not a given, but certainly winnable and I can easily see us going 4-0.
bross09 - November 15, 2010
yes. obviously some team can surprise like we did. but to make a prediction like that would be pure speculation.
bross09 - November 15, 2010
Absolutely! Playing at the level we’ve shown the last 3 games, 7 wins is completely within the realm of possibility.
Simmsinns - November 15, 2010
APPLAUDE the CHOICE to try and WIN but should have take the tie..
After the interception on the three. They should have run the ball on first down on their own three and made the JETS use their time out. That would have left about 1:25 left. On second down they should have run again, and if they did not pick up any significant yardage the clock would have been under 50 seconds before they had to snap it. They could have run the clock down to under 15 seconds before they had to snap it again and punt. The punt would have taken most of the time left. The game most probably would have ended in a tie. Now if they did want to take a chance on third down with 45 or so seconds to go , McCoy could have been instructed to throw only to a wide open receiver to advance decent yardage or run with it to keep the clock moving. Third down was the time to take a chance.
That being said, they played great and having nothing to hang their heads about. This team is head and shoulders above the team earlier in the year. I think McCoy deserves the starters job. We again have something to cheer. Look at the brutal schedule we have played and we should be 4 – 5 or most probably 5-4 at this point. I am excited.
champion64 - November 15, 2010
Do you have a sister? Have you ever kissed her?
I have a sister- I have never kissed her before (well, except for goodnight kisses on the cheek). But I can’t imagine it would be all that fun. But anyway, I fully believe that a tie is like kissing your sister. I’d rather not kiss than to be doomed to kiss my sister.
I’m glad we went for the win.
shep615 - November 15, 2010
Did you read the title. I APPLAUDED THE TRY FOR THE WIN, but if they were going for a win WHY DID THEY RUN ON SECOND DOWN? I hate ties too, but the play calling on second down was such that they were going to play for a tie. The game was great and the Browns are heading in the right direction.
champion64 - November 15, 2010
Ah, I skipped the title since they aren’t used much around here anyway. My bad.
Sounds like we agree that going for the win was the right choice.
And I’m guessing we can also agree that kissing your sister is not OK :p
shep615 - November 15, 2010
This is one hell of a messed up way of saying it, but I too HATE ties. If there is even a 1 in a million chance at winning, then I always say go for the win. Screw ties!
I, for one, am glad as hell that this game didn’t end in a damn tie. Ties shouldn’t even be allowed in any NFL games. (What? Games might last 5 hours? So f#@! be it.)
Simmsinns - November 15, 2010
If anything, I wish we would have passed more at the end.
Go for the win. Tie does nothing for us.
Bernie19Kosar - November 15, 2010
I really loved watching this game. It was a good effort on both ends of the ball. Aren’t we all excited now!!! I agree no kissing sisters. Going for the win was a good choice it just did not work out. I agree with you. GO BROWNS!
champion64 - November 15, 2010
congrats on a good game
Well, you played three of the better teams in the league (in a row) and are 2-1. The Browns gave the Jets all they could handle and 15 minutes more than we liked (thanks Mr. Folk). Here’s to hoping you Browns fan take more than just a loss away from this game.
The Browns showed no quit for 74+ minutes and desptie your lack of a true receiver corps made a real game out of it. You guys are a good draft/trade away from being playoff bound.
Hillis came as advertised. Mccoy showed a lot in this game and his pinpoint passing on your touchdown drive was not like a rookie.
For anyone who thinks you should have settled for a tie, that’s wrong. With your record and ANY possibility of playoffs (before the L), a tie would be just as bad as a loss.
Best of luck on the rest of the year and hope the 3 that got hurt heal quickly
jaxopguy - November 15, 2010
Thanks, agree with all of your points.
Roger Dorn - November 15, 2010
For anyone who thinks you should have settled for a tie, that’s wrong. With your record and ANY possibility of playoffs (before the L), a tie would be just as bad as a loss.
1. Given that the Steelers lost last night…and can easily lose 2 more at Bal and against Jets.
2. In my book, 3-5-1 is better than 3-6. If we go into the Pittsburg game with them at 10-5 and us at 9-5-1 and win the game….not likely, but it COULD happen.
3. 1:35 left in the game, 1’st down at the 2, as OC I do NOT expect the second coming of Elway.
Run the ball up the gut 3X.
I’m kissing my sister all day long, go home with a smile on my face, and the ENTIRE NFL world is talking Brownies today and how they are unbeatable.
whereiendanubegin - November 15, 2010
I saw a couple other briefly touch on it, but I really think we should have gone for two after the late TD.
Our defense was gassed after that second half. I trust our offense to get three yards more than I trust a coin flip (I know that didn’t matter, but it usually does). Mangini has shown no qualms with unorthodox play calling as of late (I loved the onside kick attempt, even though it seemed like we had no idea it was coming).
In my mind, when you are the tired underdog, you take the shot to finish a fight.
Bernie19Kosar - November 15, 2010
I wouldn’t have argued with a two point try too much myself, but I can imagine that there would have been even more heated discussion here afterward on the wisdom of it!
RelapsingDawgCatcher - November 15, 2010
I was fine either way. I kind of wanted the 2 pt attempt, but at the same time it’s the whole playing at home with the momentum lets take it to OT. The defense stepped up that first series, and we were a fumble away from a game winning field goal attempt.
Roger Dorn - November 15, 2010
This is my feeling exactly
bross09 - November 15, 2010
They made the right choice for over time. A bad fumble cost them. It was unfortunate and Stuckey has enough experience to know that he needed to protect the ball. He was trying hard, so I cannot give him too much crap. It was a great game and the JETS and the rest of the league have seen a change in Cleveland. The Browns had a great chance.
The only thing I did not like was the three man non existent rush.
champion64 - November 15, 2010
This. I definitely did not want a 2pt attempt there.
Dawg Nuts - November 15, 2010
i was thinking that the time…. i really think a toss to hillis or a playaction where colt had an opportunity to either throw or get to the corner would have worked.
the one thing i was worried about is that the jets would have tried to get into fg range with 45 secs left and at least 1 timeout (i can’t remember if they had 2). Who knows if nick folk would have made it or if they even could have gotten into range, but it just seemed like both teams settled for OT and i’m not sure we could have held the jets out of FG range at that point
sww2109 - November 15, 2010
Immediately after the TD, I was really hoping that we’d go for two.
Simmsinns - November 15, 2010
If they are one of the better teams in football this year, and we went toe to toe with them, what are our chances to make the playoffs?
mooncamping - November 15, 2010
They started their charge a little late. We’d probably need help from outside.
JulioBernazard - November 15, 2010
Such as? A few big name additions?
mooncamping - November 16, 2010
I advise signing the injured Chad Pennington as a mentor for Colt McCoy. And get us a serious contender at tailback for Christ´s sake! How about Owen Schmitt or Brian Leonard? Luke Lippincott, Joe Tronzo, Billy Latsko, Chane Moline…Nate Ilaoa? You know, something serious. I´ll tell you another thing, mooncamping prognosticates that if you sign two outside linebackers with wheels, we´re deep in the playoffs. That´s the main weakness, otherwise we look pretty tough.
mooncamping - November 16, 2010
So you want to replace our beast of a FB playing RB with another FB to play RB?
North Coast Flea - November 16, 2010
Well, no. Schmitt and Leonard are a rare breed, they´re tailbacks with fullback attributes. I know they´re probably happy to just be on an NFL roster, but personally I think it´s almost criminal to keep them in such reduced roles.
mooncamping - November 17, 2010
I’m pretty sure that Pennington’s career is over.
Bernie19Kosar - November 16, 2010
jake delhomme may have lost much of his ability to play QB in the league, but I’m sure he’s just as good of a mentor as pennington would be and we already have him.
Dawg Nuts - November 17, 2010
IMO Delhomme makes a much better mentor. he’s had more success.
notthatnoise - November 17, 2010
We just need to win out and see what happens.
Simmsinns - November 15, 2010
More important than this years playoffs. Mangini’s plan is working!
champion64 - November 15, 2010
I heard today that Larry Fitzgerald wants out of Ari. because their QBs suck. He is a F.A. at the end of the year and has a no franchise player clause in his contract.
Wonder if we have any shot of him coming here? I would give a lot of picks (maybe all of them) to get a polished, non-diva receiver of his caliber (of course given the Browns history with ballyhooed FAs he would probably have a career ending knee injury in mini camp)
HenryDawg - November 15, 2010
If he’s a free agent, he would require no picks.
Roger Dorn - November 15, 2010
That would be sweet.
emily522 - November 15, 2010
that would be quite awesome.
notthatnoise - November 15, 2010
DOOOO IT!
SpecialBrownie - November 15, 2010
His contract voids after the 2011 season. The Cards could trade him only if Fitz approves the trade. He will be 29 to start the 2012 season. If I were Heckert, I would be calling as soon as the season is over, offering anything they want except for a few select players, give the Cards some ammunition to move up and get Andrew Luck. The Cards should try to move Fitz too, he’s likely not re-signing there, they need to get some value out of him while they can.
I dont’ know what I’d do if the Browns somehow got him, probably die from excitement.
Browns town - November 15, 2010
North Coast Flea - November 16, 2010
SpecialBrownie - November 16, 2010
Thanks for the backup, buddy.
Browns town - November 16, 2010
I just looked it up, you are correct. The moral of the story is don’t post on less than three hours of sleep.
North Coast Flea - November 17, 2010
The moral of the story is that we want Larry Fitzgerald!
Browns town - November 17, 2010
I would love to have Fitz on our team.
North Coast Flea - November 17, 2010
I was about to suggest the same thing. on Afternoon R&R (for anyone outside of cleveland, a radio show with hosts Michael Reghi and Kenny Roda) a caller suggested this because he is a FA.
Not only would it be awesome, but I can see it as a definite possibility. Here, we seem to have a QB now that can get him the ball. Not just that but we are a much more respected team around the league, especially since we are competitive and have holmgren. He is also a midwest guy (Lived in minnesota, went to college in Pittsburgh) and wouldn’t mind the weather which is a drawback to some.
Lastly, Holmgren in the past has been able to get the Marquee free agent and isn’t afraid to go after him. Case in point, Reggie White.
bross09 - November 15, 2010
A couple of notes… For those of us NOT fortunate enough to be in the Cleveland area, you can still get your Afternoon R & R fix at www.espncleveland.com. It’s a good station in general. They talk Cleveland sports in the mornings (until noon) and then R & R is on at 3 PM. Although I’d steer clear between 12 and 3, because that’s the Jim Rome show, and in my honest opinion… He’s a freaking moron and I can’t stand him.
Also- About Fitz. I could just be ignorant, but isn’t he really good at getting the deep balls AND running routes really well? Huge asset for our offense. Let’s do it.
shep615 - November 15, 2010
Yes. Sometimes I use that if I am not in my car. I even used it last year in class. Pure bliss.
I love R and R.
I don’t mind Rome. I think he is somewhat intelligent. IMO, he is like a Colin Cowherd with better opinions. both have a shtick that is polarizing b/c it can be very annoying. However, its tolerable when you agree and I almost never agree with Cowherd.
Fitz is the complete package. No question. The only criticism I can think of is he is a below average blocker, and that is reaching.
bross09 - November 15, 2010
Shtick? I’ve seen that word a couple of times on here… What is it? If I understand what you’re meaning, I simply can’t stand his shtick. I fall in the very annoyed category.
As far as Fitz goes… I’m down. Totally down. I’ll even write a letter to Heckert and give him my personal blessing on getting Fitz. I like it.
shep615 - November 16, 2010
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shtick
Shtick is basically a comedic theme or a gimmick.
For example:
Colbert has an obvious Shtick.
Carrot Top’s act and Gallagher’s act has a Shtick.
I respect your dislike of his shtick. I can understand how it can be annoying.
bross09 - November 16, 2010
Beat me to the definition.
Using Carrot Top and Gallagher as examples is perfect.
SpecialBrownie - November 16, 2010
…and colbert. as a media person, that is the epitome of “Shtick”
bross09 - November 16, 2010
Excellent, thanks!
Yeah, I definitely fall into the “annoyed with his shtick” category.
I respect your tolerance/enjoyment of his shtick as well :p
shep615 - November 16, 2010
no problem. It is definitely much more tolerance of the shtick than enjoyment. Personally, I am not a fan of someone with a specific shtick or gimmick. Thats partially why I am not a big colbert fan, but I can tolerate his shtick
bross09 - November 16, 2010
I hate to be a downer but we see this cycle every three years with every coach – suck, don’t suck, suck again. I really hope Mangini can break this cycle.
HenryDawg - November 15, 2010
With Mangini, it’s been suck and then don’t suck. We haven’t sucked since we stopped sucking late last year. I’d be pretty surprised if we start sucking again any time in the near future. This team is different. It’s being built to not suck.
golanbatrac - November 15, 2010
this comment had more sucking than a Roethlisberger trip to the pisser.
Dawg Nuts - November 15, 2010
At least my reading of the comment was consensual.
Simmsinns - November 15, 2010
Well done.
golanbatrac - November 15, 2010
I agree. Top to bottom (from the team President all the way to the Practice Squad) this is the most complete team and organization i think we have had in cleveland. We went 10-6 once and made the playoffs in another year, but those teams had unsustainable methods to win consistently (they both had lots of gaping holes and won a lot of close games against not that good of teams).
bross09 - November 15, 2010
I love how the team rallied around Stuckey after the fumble. I love that there isn’t any finger pointing, except by the one guy who always seems to be close by when something goes wrong (the would be Eric Wright, in case that isn’t obvious). He can be a fine 3rd or 4th corner but I think Mike Adams or the rookie should start (assuming Brown can play next week)
HenryDawg - November 15, 2010
I 100% agree. I like the fact that stuckey seemed to take it hard because he truly cares. I like the team’s response too.
I also agree about Wright as a #3. He is an excellent #3 IMO, but only an average at best #2 (even an average #2 will occasionally get burned like wright does). I think the reason we have been hearing less and less of wright is
a) I believe he has improved since the Baltimore game
b) Joe Haden has really emerged and that has taken PT away from Wright.
bross09 - November 15, 2010
Jerome Harrison just ran for a 50 yard touchdown.
Wow.
Eagles have scored 28 points already.
emily522 - November 15, 2010
The guy still has “something” in the tank. We made an awful trade. 1 year of Harrison >>>>>>>> 1 year of Mike Bell, not even close really at all.
Simmsinns - November 15, 2010
More like 10 games of Harrison > 10 games of Mike Bell, but who cares since they are both backups.
Roger Dorn - November 15, 2010
I was commenting on the fact that it was a bad trade. I care that the team made a bad trade. It’s a trade I’d rather not have made. It’s impossible to really know, but the difference very well may have been a touchdown, several first downs, any number of things.
Simmsinns - November 15, 2010
No, it wouldn’t of.
SpecialBrownie - November 15, 2010
Yeah, it very well may have.
Simmsinns - November 15, 2010
Uh, nope.
SpecialBrownie - November 15, 2010
Uh, very possible.
Simmsinns - November 15, 2010
Uh, nope.
SpecialBrownie - November 15, 2010
Uh, very possible.
Simmsinns - November 15, 2010
Ah, damn.
SpecialBrownie - November 15, 2010
Thought so.
Simmsinns - November 15, 2010
Nope. But nice try.
SpecialBrownie - November 15, 2010
Hand wringing over this trade is frankly, a waste of time. Harrison was dogging it, Holmgren sensed he was disappointed and even did the courtesy of asking Harrison if he wanted to be traded. Harrison said no, but Holmgren went ahead with it anyway. We probably didn’t have a lot of options as I doubt any team was willing to give up a draft pick for only ten games of a backup. We did the guy a favor, so I don’t find it worth my time complaining about the trade.
Roger Dorn - November 16, 2010
Quite. Better for him to start over elsewhere, better for us to move on.
RelapsingDawgCatcher - November 16, 2010
Meh, he was playing like a broke down back here and now he’s playing to get a new contract with a new team.
North Coast Flea - November 16, 2010
probably not the greatest trade, but I doubt he makes that good of a play for us.
a) he seemed to not like being here in general
b) the redskins just look flat out awful tonight and they are doing nothing right.
bross09 - November 15, 2010
And boom goes the dynamite.
Simmsinns is just being a whiny b*&%^.
SpecialBrownie - November 15, 2010
I think thats a little harsh to Simmsinns but thanks.
Plus, who really cares? We traded a backup who didn’t want to be here, for a less talented backup who did want to be here
bross09 - November 15, 2010
OMG YOU’RE ON FIRE!
SpecialBrownie - November 15, 2010
It’s impossible to really know, I just think that the difference very well may have been a touchdown, several first downs, any number of things.
That’s why I mention it.
Simmsinns - November 15, 2010
Nope. Probably more likely to have been runs that brought about 3rd and outs, 2 yard loss runs and dropped passes. LIKE WE SAW.
SpecialBrownie - November 15, 2010
We have a difference of opinion. I stated why I care and thought that it was a bad trade.
I don’t know what this “whiny b*&%^” nonsense is about. I’m just assuming everyone else is was spot on when they called you an asshole.
Simmsinns - November 15, 2010
I never said they weren’t. ;D
Your opinion is just really bad though. Everything Bross said was true and was going to stay true. He did crap and just because we traded him isn’t the end of the world. He would’ve kept doing crap if he stayed, don’t think it would’ve all of a sudden magically changed.
SpecialBrownie - November 15, 2010
Jets>>>>>>>>Redskins
The way they are playing, Any of our future Opponents>>redskins right now.
bross09 - November 15, 2010
If you started the Redskins defense, that really sucks!
emily522 - November 15, 2010
This game is now completely out of hand.
DisplacedBuckeye - November 15, 2010
I would be so embarrassed if I was a Redskins fan right now!
emily522 - November 15, 2010
I’m embarrassed having once LIVED in DC after this performance.
I need to go take a shower after watching this. Wow.
DisplacedBuckeye - November 15, 2010
I would hate to be at that game right now.
emily522 - November 15, 2010
And although I’m not a Michael Vick fan (won’t go into it any more), he is very good.
emily522 - November 15, 2010
I really don’t like the Eagles, but I love Vick! If the Browns miss the playoffs this year (knock on wood), I’ll be rooting for Vick to win the Super Bowl for sure.
Simmsinns - November 15, 2010
Haha, I love watching this guy! He is absolutely the most exciting player in the NFL.
Simmsinns - November 15, 2010
I respect your dislike for Vick. I am torn because before that, I was a big fan, and I love how he is playing now…plus I probably feel similar to how you feel on that issue.
bross09 - November 15, 2010
People will that opinion make his fantastic play on the field all the more awesome.
Simmsinns - November 15, 2010
Even Hitler… Um, forget it.
RelapsingDawgCatcher - November 16, 2010
Vick = Scumbag
golanbatrac - November 16, 2010
but has he done some good things?
notthatnoise - November 17, 2010
Even Hitler… Um, forget it.
RelapsingDawgCatcher - November 17, 2010
HAhahahahahaha! If the Browns don’t win the Super Bowl this year, I’m hoping that Vick does.
In which case…. I’ll keep laughing. Hahahaha.
Simmsinns - November 17, 2010
If Vick goes to the SB I hope he implodes.
North Coast Flea - November 17, 2010
If Vick goes to the SB I hope he’s mauled by a pack of wild dogs.
RelapsingDawgCatcher - November 18, 2010
Couldn’t have said (and didn’t say) it better myself.
North Coast Flea - November 18, 2010
I read a really sad article about one of the surviving dogs. It’s still traumatized. It won’t even let people pet him on his head.
emily522 - November 18, 2010
I started the Cardinals D. they also got me 0 points.
On a different note, I got more points from my 4 position players on the bench (Fred Jackson, Knowshon, Santonio, and Johnny Knox…71 points) then all of my starters including D and Kicker (65 points)
bross09 - November 15, 2010
Hahahahahahahahahaha @ anyone who actually ever thought the Eagles should start Kolb over Vick.
Hahahahahahahaha.
Simmsinns - November 15, 2010
49 fantasy points.
emily522 - November 15, 2010
He’s a beast.
Simmsinns - November 15, 2010
Not the same old Browns
Hey, just wanted to say that the Browns played a hell of a great game on Sunday and you guys will have lots to cheer about moving forward. Colt McCoy looks like the real deal. He was poised, accurate and looks like a real leader. Your defense played great and if one or two plays go the other way, you would have had your third straight win in against some of the league’s best teams.
OldJetsFanatic - November 15, 2010
Thanks. Seeing Nick Folk miss three FG’s really makes me appreciate the consistency we have in Dawson.
Monsters of the Midway - November 16, 2010
Appreciated, thanks. Nice to feel that we’re clearly headed in the right direction here. I still can’t figure out how Sanchez evaded some of those tackles….
RelapsingDawgCatcher - November 16, 2010
Holy crap, this game is worse than a Madden game on easy!
SpecialBrownie - November 15, 2010
correction, worse than Madden on easy after I have had 3 years controlling a middle of the road franchise (I can take a team like the Madden ‘10 Houston texans or the Miami Dolphins and make them the most talented team in the league in 3 years. I can take one of the game’s worst teams like the Browns or Lions deep into the playoffs in 3 yrs)
bross09 - November 15, 2010
In the last 5 minutes of the Eagles game, I need 13 points from LeSean McCoy and Laron Landry to win my fantasy matchup. Think it’s possible?
shep615 - November 15, 2010
McCoy’s been pulled for Harrison, so no.
SpecialBrownie - November 15, 2010
Well balls.
shep615 - November 15, 2010
I needed like 50 points and I had Jackson and Maclin. I had very little hope but I almost pulled it off with the amazing game the Eagles had. I wonder what McNabb whispered in Vick’s ear at the end of the game…
Brownsyup - November 16, 2010
“trust me, they’ll hate you soon enough too.”
Dawg Nuts - November 17, 2010
Vick’s response:
“Chit, everybody already hates me anyway, I killed dogs. I’m just trying to get one last payday like you my man.”
Villeslgr - November 17, 2010
I’m guessing it was something more like “Nah, I’m actually good at football.”
Well, come to think of it, Philly cheered McNabb upon his return in a Skins jersey. They couldn’t have hated that much.
Simmsinns - November 17, 2010
I love that Cribbs fathead commercial. Cribbs is my dude.
SpecialBrownie - November 15, 2010
Reed Williams, West Virginia. Mike McLaughlin, Boston College. We need two outside linebackers who can defend outside the tackles, be it run or pass. Those two for example are fresh out of college, fast and absolutely fierce. What´s the deal here, we´re lacking realism with our oversized guys at the position.
mooncamping - November 17, 2010
Let me reiterate, the outside linebackers are too slow and not agile enough to defend the sweep and the flats on their own. The cornerbacks are too small and miniscule to be any help. What we are seeing now is teams willing to entertain our delusion, we´re a losing team with no playoff aspirations. If they can squeek by us, it´s within the general interest to make us look better than we are. Within an elimination context they will mercilessly exploit the weakness.
mooncamping - November 17, 2010
now this is the mooncamping I’ve been missing over the past few months. I think we should also sign Chris Pizzotti to backup Colt…
Dawg Nuts - November 17, 2010
I’m still pondering this one. Well done.
RelapsingDawgCatcher - November 17, 2010
Yeah, totally! Problem is he could take the mantle from him. I´ll probably draw some flack here, but with the history of failures with tall red headed quarterbacks dating back to Marinovich, I had a feeling that Harvard boy was for real. Wiry, tough, with a desire to win.
mooncamping - November 18, 2010
REC for throwing some love to one of my Mountaineers!
Kimble_79 - November 17, 2010
Looking forward to upsetting you guys this weekend!
Villeslgr - November 17, 2010
The way we’ve been playing I don’t take anything for granted. I’m ready for basketball to start now.
Kimble_79 - November 17, 2010
Noel Devine is still a beast.
Simmsinns - November 17, 2010
Thanks for the rec. A quick Google check brought up this article. It lauds his academic achievements and acquisition of two business degrees already. It also states that he was awarded an 18000$ scholarship towards a graduate degree. It´s also mentioned that he first wanted to pursue his NFL ambitions, before returning to college. What of it, do you know how that went? He´s credited with being a major force, leading West Virginia to win their last four Bowl Games.
Weird looking photo:
And Mike McLaughlin victory pose:
mooncamping - November 18, 2010
Whoop, sorry, article:
http://www.be.wvu.edu/news_events/reedwilliams/
mooncamping - November 18, 2010
http://www.register-herald.com/todayssportsfront/x332266780/Williams-not-giving-up-NFL-dream
He’s just waiting on a call right now. His shoulder wasn’t healthy enough when teams wanted to try him out earlier in the year.
Kimble_79 - November 18, 2010
Good find. Looks like he´d be ready, so no excuse, NFL teams.
mooncamping - November 19, 2010
Here´s what happened to Mike McLaughlin.
First cornered by Harbaugh during the draft:
http://itiswhatitis.weei.com/sports/newengland/football/patriots/tag/mike-mclaughlin/
Then denigrated away from his expertise to long snapper or fullback duties despite the heavy runningback deluge on the Ravens:
http://blogs.baltimoreravens.com/2010/05/14/mclaughlin-switching-to-fullback/
Then egged on into an unrealistic comparison (Alstott):
http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/sports/ravens/blog/2010/08/alstott_makes_impression_with_ravens.html
And onto injured reserve:
http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Ravens-place-Mike-McLaughlin-on-injured-reserve.html
And then uncerimoniously released:
http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.aspx?id=6130&sport=NFL
He´s a two time captain for the Boston College Eagles, and a prolific tackler. He deserves another shot.
mooncamping - November 19, 2010
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