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Getting to Know the Enemy: Gang Green Nation Talks Sanchez' Struggles and Defending Hillis

I was pleased to be joined by John Butchko from Gang Green Nation, our New York Jets affiliate, to preview Sunday's game. John talks about the low completion percentage of Mark Sanchez, how the Jets will try to stop Peyton Hillis, how the Jets' defense has handled being without Kris Jenkins, and more.

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Chris: "Braylon Edwards has isn't too well-liked in Cleveland, as I'm sure you have heard. Are Jets fans at all irritated with Edwards' attitude or game-play?"

John: "I feel like Braylon in some ways was just a man ahead of his time in Cleveland. Had he fought LeBron James' friend just a year later, people might like him more.
 
Edwards hasn't given Jets fans any reason to complain about his play on the field. He's been fantastic this year. Even though the Jets can spread it to many weapons, he's on pace for 900 yards and 10 touchdowns. He also has an average of over 18 yards per reception. He always plays hard. He gives more effort as a run blocker than any Jets receiver I can remember since Keyshawn Johnson. He's also earned Mark Sanchez's trust. Sanchez often throws it up to him even when he's not opened because he trusts Braylon to make a play.
 
His attitude hasn't been a big issue for fans either. I know he was seeking a big contract when he was in Cleveland, but he signed a one year tender without a fuss and hasn't said a peep about demanding a long term deal from the Jets. He had a comment about the play calling after the AFC Championship Game and one about Sanchez last week that the press made a big deal about, but I thought they were overblown. The only time I've ever heard him really be negative is when he talks about the Browns.
 
The big issue was obviously the DUI the week of the big game against Miami. It  solidified my view that the Jets might want to think twice before giving him big bucks. I'm not sure my view is representative of the fan base. Most of the people on GGN didn't seem to care and said he deserved a second chance. I would argue he was already on his second chance and should have already been on his best behavior, but I seem to be alone in seeing that as a red flag.
 
Anectdotally some beat writers mentioned players in the locker room said they weren't surprised he would do something so selfish. They also say the team is unlikely to pay him once he hits free agency. Santonio Holmes is also a free agent after the year, and the team might have to choose one or the other. The beat guys say Holmes is the likely choice. Braylon's still popular among the fans."

Chris: "How has the Jets' defensive line been without Kris Jenkins?"

John: "The defensive line has been excellent. The Jets are fourth in the league against the run. Rex Ryan said before the start of the season that he felt like he had four starting caliber linemen for his 3-4 defense. Jenkins tore his ACL less than halfway through 2009. Sione Pouha played so well in his place that Pouha took the starting nose tackle job, and Jenkins was supposed to shift to end. Mike Devito was supposed to be the line's primary sub. When Jenkins went down, Devito became a starter and has consistently won his matchups."

Chris: "Mark Sanchez' completion percentage hasn't been very good this season, and he has seemed to struggle the past couple of weeks. LaDainian Tomlinson isn't getting many yards on the ground either. Are the offensive players just in a funk, or is their a playcalling issue?"

John: "There were warning signs with Sanchez even when he was playing well earlier in the year. His completion percentage was strikingly low, and even a lot of his completions were off target and forced his receivers to adjust. Accuracy has become a major issue, and it's the kind of thing hampering the passing game. Another thing is the play of his receivers. On a lot of the throws that have been on target, his receivers are dropping the ball or not making catches they could make. Believe it or not, Braylon Edwards is not the problem. He has caught just about everything that came his way. Normally sure handed Jerricho Cotchery and Santonio Holmes are dropping too many balls.
 
Tomlinson hasn't looked the same these past few weeks. Early in the year, he was consistently making guys miss in one on one situations to break huge runs. Since the Denver game, he has looked more like the guy who struggled so much in 2008 and 2009, just not as elusive. He did make some big plays on clutch drives against the Broncos and Lions, though.
 
I'm not sure it would be fair to say it is only the players, though. Offensive coordinator Brian Schottenheimer is not doing a good job. He might have the most talented offense in football. Given the weapons he has, his team should have success even if the defense knows exactly what is coming. He doesn't work that way, though. He seems to think execution cannot take place without deception. We see triple tight end sets where he sets five guys out on a passing route. We see an unbalanced formation with extra linemen on the right and then an end around running left to unblocked linemen. We see guys shifting, and the quarterback calling so many audibles that the offense is more confused than the defense.
 
There also seems to be no rhyme or reason to his play calling. Normally a team goes into a pattern to set up a trick play. For example, a team might run it three times in a row to get the defense to sell out on the run. That would make a flea flicker successful. Schottenheimer just pulls trick plays out of his bag at random times. He scripts plays at the start of the game, which is supposed to provide a taste of everything to see how the defense reacts. He runs remarkably similar plays.
 
I think the recent struggles are a combination of all of the above."

Chris: "Peyton Hillis has garnered a lot of exposure after his big day against the Patriots, but this is something he has been doing all season. Do you expect the Jets to really load the box against Hillis and trust their corners one-on-one, despite the fact that the Jets' secondary hasn't been as good this year?"

John: "Yes, for a few reasons. First of all, the Jets man up against just about every opponent. Second of all, the biggest reason the secondary hasn't been as good as it was last year was that Darrelle Revis wasn't healthy. He missed a few games with a hamstring injury and then took a few weeks to get back to 100%. After holding Calvin Johnson to one catch last week, he's back in form. Antonio Cromartie's play has also been very good of late. The Jets feel like they can trust the pair to slow any receivers in the league down. I don't think Cleveland has a wide receiver that really strikes fear into the Jets. When another team has an elite receiver, Revis follows that guy around all game long. When the opponent doesn't, Revis moves around. I'd imagine he'll see some time against Benjamin Watson on passing downs if Watson splits wide.
 
Cleveland's most dangerous weapon is Hillis so I'd imagine the Jets will do whatever they can to take him away and force a rookie quarterback to beat them. Honestly, the thing that scares me most about Cleveland's passing game is the potential for big plays off screens to Hillis since New York loves to blitz."

Chris: "What is your evaluation of former Browns safety Brodney Pool after seeing him in action for half a season?"

John: "He made a pair of game saving plays on the Miami's final drive in Week 3, tackling Brandon Marshall in the open field and breaking up a fourth down pass. Aside from that, he's been pretty quiet. He got beaten a few times before halftime in Buffalo. He's also had a few penalties, but generally he's been consistent playing deep zone. Not much stands out spectacular or terrible."

Once again, I'd like to thank John for taking the time to answer these questions.

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That’s Pool in a nutshell. He is there, not really sure if he is doing well or not.

Very diplomatic

I can’t speak for any other JETS fans, nor am I speaking on behalf of other JETS fans, but the recent offensive struggles have to fall on Schotty’s shoulders, our OC. Sure, you can’t ignore the drops or recent INTs (both catches by JETS and 1 bad call, 1 very similar) but Schotty doesn’t give this offense a chance to get in a rhythm. His playcalling is atrocious and terribly predictable. His gimmicks, motions, shifts, unbalanced lines etc… only mess up the flow of the game and show Defenses what play they’re calling.
I hope the JETS can actually take advantage of arguably the best O-Line in the league and all the weapons they have.
The other thing I thought for sure would have been asked wasn’t addressed-that being, how undisciplined the JETS have been this year. Penalties are straight killing this team, and I’m not sure if you can blame Rex Ryan for it, but his style might be contributing to the penalties-certainly a case to be made there!

It certainly seems fair the Schotty should receive some criticism. You start with 2 really good backs, dangerous WRs, solid TE and at least 2 Pro Bowlers on the OL – you would expect a top 10 offense. Either Sanchez, Schotty or both are really causing the unit not to gel. Here´s hoping they wait at least another week to get it together. Hook Em Colt. Browns 13-10.

Thanks for the insight. I don’t know how the penalties are not a reflection of the HC – it runs in the family. You point out the Achilles Heel and we hope the Browns can take advantage.

Besides discipline, what is the weakness of the Jets? The team has all the weapons on offense and defense – I just don’t understand the struggles.

Struggles, but still 6-2

I wouldn’t really say much else. Costly penalties and some horrible turnovers. Defense has struggled with getting off the field on 3rd down and surprisingly 3rd and long, but they are getting better.

Biggest thing is that the JETS are 4th in net points. Well behind Tenn and Pack, and barely behind the Giants.

I would give anything

to see Schottenheimer fired to leave the team by any means necessary. But Johnson & co. absolutely love the guy. Although much of the Jets mediocre performance can also be attributed to poor player execution and decision making.

Your team is greatly improved and can no longer be taken for granted, fans of the dawg pound.

Jets 21-20. Here’s to a good game.

Not sure he'll get fired, but

he might finally take another offer. That would be f’n awesome! Hopefully he’ll leave someway or somehow.
If he does, it better be Callahan’s job to lose. Sanchez with all those weapons and Callahan opening up the passing game and LT/Greene running-scary!

I’m not sure how or why all these Browns fans like this matchup? The JETS have better stats in nearly all categories except 3rd down % on O, and that’s a small margin. The JETS D is going to make them one dimensional and make Colt beat them, which isn’t going to happen. The same thing teams tried and continue to try to do against the JETS, but the difference is clearly talent and that’s not even close. Even w/ Schotty this should be a 2 score W for the JETS!

The reason we like the matchup is because we are on a roll right now. The last two teams tried to make us one dimensional and they lost … big time. Those last two teams had two pretty good QBs (understatement of the century) and a lot of weapons themselves.

Colt doesn’t have to win the game for us, he just has to not lose it. No turnovers from him, Hillis pounding the ball and our D keeping Sanchez on his toes should be good enough for a close game no matter who we are playing.

Browns win 17-13

Saints & Cheats don't have a running game

I understand the optimism-I’d be there too, but don’t underestimate the JETS O-Line and RB’s. Neither team has a DB combo like Revis & Cromartie either!

The Browns don’t pass so who cares if you have the best DB combo. They can come in the box and get run over by Hillis if they would like. But they might just wanna stay on our deadly threats outside.

I hope the Jets take the same attitude their fan base has into this game. I think they will be in for a big surprise.

You guys are nuts. We are not underestimating your running game, we know it’s good. You don’t have to be so defensive.

In what way shape or form am I being defensive?

Just making a point.

but don’t underestimate the JETS O-Line and RB’s

I think everyone acknowledges this much. I’m not referring to you specifically, but some of your other fans have continually pointed out this fact like we are overlooking how great the Jets are.

I can understand the Saints argument, but the Pats DO have a running game.

They're 15th in the league @ 107.1 yards rushing/game

JETS are 4th @ 148.

BTW – AJ Green doing well vs. Auburn. Very talented. Green would look fantastic in Orange and Brown.

Think he makes it to the 10-15 range? I don’t think he will.

Nope. the guy is just flat out ridiculous. He would have to run a 4.7 40 at the combine to fall to us.

A very well thought out description of the match-up for tomrrow. I cannot argue with any of the points made, except I think he was a little evasive on the Edwards thing. Overall, should make for a good game tomorrow. I think if Colt can get some of the check down passes or quick slants that should help ease the coverage a little

I think he was a little evasive on the Edwards thing

How so, SBP? I’m happy to answer any followup questions you may have.

Maybe not evasive

After reading my comment again, evasive was not the right word, but your comment is that fans have not had a problem with his attitude, has the coaching staff shared the same view?

Like I said, while fans don’t seem to have a problem, there are rumblings in the organization that he’s not necessarily the most popular guy among the higher ups. They seem to feel Holmes is the guy to invest in.

Also

Why is he so pissed at the Browns? Frankly he should thank Mangni. I would agree the Browns were a mess. No QB, no RB the Def was on the field non-stop Was he really that maligned in Cleveland or is it just his ego?

Honestly I couldn’t say. It seems like there are still very bad feelings on both ends, but I didn’t closely study the deterioration of what happened in Cleveland. He doesn’t have many nice things to say, though. He has many times talked about how much better he likes New York. I couldn’t say why he has such hard feelings.

He’s a sociopath that doesn’t want to take responsibility for his poor performances and the losing that happened. As for Browns fans, we are sick of BS and excuses. We want guys that will go out and win, and own up to it if they don’t play well. Edwards didn’t do that, but we’d like to move on if he would.

I’d say the jets are the toughest matchup on our schedule. I think the key is definitely the turnover battle. If the browns win the turnover battle, I think they have a real shot at winning the game. I don’t think the jets’ excellent run defense is going to give up 180+ yards to peyton hillis so colt mccoy is going to have to make one or two plays.

However I see the browns’ defense holding the jets’ under 21 points: the jets running game has looked much less frightening over the last couple weeks and if the browns can take that away, I think sanchez is likely to turn the ball over.

Here’s to hoping that this matchup proves the benefit of mangini’s disciplined practices: Under romeo the browns were one of the most penalized teams in the NFL and now under mangini they are one of the least penalized. Meanwhile the jets have gone from one of the leagues most disciplined teams under mangini to one of the leagues most penalized under rex ryan.

I’d say the jets are the toughest matchup on our schedule.

This. The big difference between the Jets and the last two teams is that the Jets have a running game that is light years ahead of the Saints and Pats. We have not been tested against a team with such a solid run game. I am cautiously optimistic but winning this game would be our biggest upset so far in my book.

It wouldn't surprise me either way

The Jets have to establish the run and stop it too. Should be a good game. Browns W or L solely depends on Colt.

How is the opposing team´s forum an affiliate? What´s the secret agenda here?

Are you negotiating the etiquette for allowable rationales with our opponents again? Wow, that sophistication compromise prerogative never quits does it?

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