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Happy Halloween: Bye Week Game Thread

Have a Happy Halloween everybody!

The Cleveland Browns are on a bye this week, so we'll be rooting for the Bengals and the Steelers to lose their Sunday contests (the Ravens are also on the bye). Use this thread to discuss any of the action today.

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Happy Bye Week everyone. Enjoy a Sunday without stress from our Browns.

Bye weeks suck.

OT- but Ditka named Joe Thmas #8 on list of scariest NFL players.

Was this on TV or is it online somewhere?

I hope I can see the Patriots game, so I can study up on next week’s opponent.

I’d rather watch the London game than the Bengals.

I’m just watching the Red Zone Channel all day.

I switched to the Jets and Green Bay.

Best wishes to all for an enjoyable weekend. Colt was in Austin last night as his number 12 was retired – congratulations Colt. No Longhorn got more out of their talent, worked harder, or competed harder than Colt and I hope that those characteristics carry over and help the Browns restore their once proud tradition.

Longhorn faithful missing Colt – lose to Baylor. Yup – Baylor. Back to back losses at home to Baylor and ISU. Never take winning for granted Buckeye fans.

Never take winning for granted Buckeye fans.

Too late.

Is Hicks playing any for you guys? Redshirting?

I remember cursing him for picking Texas over the Buckeyes. Kid’s got a ton of talent

He is doing real well. He has played mostly at special teams, but one week a LB was hurt and he had double digit tackles, and led the defense.

Deangelo Hall still nabbing picks.

Wow. Watched a couple of plays in the Dallas vs. Jacksonville… Dallas looks BAD.

that’s because they are. they won’t be able to defend david garrard…. he is a pro bowl quarterback, after all.

Haha, they just got torched by Marcedes Lewis.

I have family that are always jawing about “Them Boys”. I hope they only win one game all season.

Wacky play for Bungles’ second touchdown – defender bobbles interception and it goes right into TO’s hands.

Yeah, the Bengals got a gift there. Bad throw by Palmer and it should have been a pick.

Just saw it. That was hilarious!

Not when T.O. is on your opposition’s fantasy team. That’s alright. My team was awesome this week.

Calvin Johnson is not human.

Suh is not human either. I’m glad Delhomme’s head stayed on his body when we played the Lions. Kid has 7 sacks this season in as many games.

darn it nick folk. you’re ruining my chances at a free tim couch jersey.

I picked up Dan Carpenter for the bye week. He has 19 fantasy points.

i picked up kitna… he is doing as well as you would expect him to do

troy smith has been doing a good job so far

YES! Steve Johnson for the TD! I needed that.

Palmer just threw the game away. Cleveland is no longer in the cellar in the AFC North — been awhile.

We’re still in the cellar. It’s been awhile since we had company.

God damn. Calvin Jr. with another TD. Awesome.

Anybody watching “America’s Game?”

mmm…you mean the Fox 4:20 game, right? Yes, I am. At first I thought you meant the Cowboys…

Yea, FOX was calling it America’s Game for some reason.

The arrogance of marketing, perhaps

I heard that too; I think they just meant the game that most of America was getting.

Troy Smith’s line looks pretty good in his first start for the Niners — 12/19, 196 yards, 1 TD, 1 rushing TD in a 24-16 win. Does anyone know how long Alex Smith is going to be out? Will he get another start?

I heard at least a couple games, if not more.

Denver D, not all that impressive. He will have an easy schedule the rest of the way if he can hold onto the starting job.

I wonder if they’ll give him a chance to keep the starting job for the rest of the season if he plays well, considering that Alex Smith still hasn’t done anything to show that he deserves to be the starter.

My grandma is a Bills fan, and they’re about to lose. Lindell made the FG but a time out was called, then the next kick hit the upright. It looks like the Chiefs are going to win this one.

The Chiefs missed the FG!

They need to pass to Steve Johnson!

The guy I’m playing has Lee Evans, so that’s fine with me.

Haha, Chiefs missed again!

I hope the Browns get pressure on Sanchez like GB did

Cowboys lost again! Are they 1-6 now?

Worse than the Browns!

Of course Kenny Britt hasn’t done anything yet.

chiefs in FG range now. i feel sorry for bills fans.

it’s good, chiefs win

OT, but anyone read the article where LeBron says that he would’ve done “The Decision” differently?

It made me laugh how he said that and then just a little later he joked around saying “Oh, but it’s not too early for teams to start recruiting me for the NEXT time I’m a free agent,” and then continued to say that he would be 30 next time he’s a free agent. But oh wait- I’m a Heat now, so we’ll just see what happens.

Already thinking towards free agency. Have fun, Miami.

I feel sorry for Bills fans too. They did not deserve to lose that game. KC is vastly overrated. Remember they only came away with a W from Cleveland due to the refs.

KC has been solid.

If by solid you mean barely squeaking by the worst team in the NFL at home, then yes, extremely solid.

Oakland are better than KC and should win the division.

They’re 4th in the league in points against on defense and 1st in rushing yards per game on offense. Solid.

They didn’t beat the Browns because of the refs.

Just like the Dolphins didn’t lose last week because of the refs. The refs gave them 3 points and they won by 2. You do the math.

What does that have to do with the Browns?

NFL games have seemed kind of boring this week. Way too many dropped passes in all of the games I’ve watched.

Red Zone Channel is perfect for these kinds of weeks.

I was going to post the exact same thing. Minus the Redskins at Lions game, I’ve seen pedestrian football.

We need the Browns back :)

Agree.

Saints vs. Steelers will be good though.

The Pats should have never ditched the old uniforms.

Speaking of uniforms, Arizona’s black ones today are awesome.

I enjoyed those

I like them.

I wish the Browns would wear orange and white jerseys for a game.

I still want flat brown jerseys, flat brown pants, and flat brown helmets.

Too much brown.

No such thing as too much brown…

We’d have our home uniforms, away uniforms, and win uniforms.

I hate it.

Well the uniforms aren’t to fond of you either.

Every time I look at this, it screams Rob Ryan defense!

i am disappoint

Our players would look like turds.

I feel bad for your sphincter.

Favorite.

Or have the orange pants with the brown jerseys.

Is that a dropped shadow under the letters? F**king disgusting. Also, to bright. Our regular home jerseys are about 13242 times better than these.

Letters and numbers. Fix

I’d rather have these than all brown.

Obviously. You’re comparing your favorite to something you hate.

More like this. With white pants.

Yep. If the stuff is blunt with no shadowing, I like it.

I didn’t realize the one I posted above had the shadowing, which I don’t like either.

That picture gives them too much justice, they look bad in practical use.

I could see that actually. I still like the jersey like the one Colt has above.

Perfect.

Not bad, I still prefer our current away uniforms.

Striped socks! Yes!

I hate these because of the shadowing on the numbers.

No orange at all, either on the shirts or the pants. Orange as the main color looks terrible.

Maybe I’m bias because I go to Clemson.

See, I don’t think it looks bad for Clemson, b/c it’s their thing. But I don’t want us to be the Cleveland Tigers. There is no better uniform in the NFL than our all-whites. The second best uniform is white pants and brown shirts. And I’d like a third choice, all brown, which would be an intimidating, dark look, but better than the forced “all black” of other teams (like the Ravens).

Hmmmm yeah, I agree. I like our uniforms now, but I don’t think the jerseys like McCoy’s look bad at all. But now that I look at it, the style may be more “practice” than “game” jersey.

I think the worst uniforms are the Bengals. The tiger print is ugly. Those helmets are… ew.

Definitely agree on the Bengals.

I like an all-white look with some brown highlights. Could look sweet. Or some white on white, but I doubt the league would be OK with that.

That’s awesome.

Thank you. I’m glad that I am not the only one.

Never mess with the helmet. Never.

I like the uniforms in training camp… white pants, white/orange jersey, orange helmet.

Disagree. Solid flat brown helmets = win

No.

Yes.

No one agrees with you on this ;).

I’m used to that.

you do not change the helmet. ever.

Disagree. Solid flat brown helmets = win

By the way, the helmet has been altered 5 times in the Browns history. So this absolute of “ever” is bullsh*t.

We obviously mean don’t change the way it is now.

Well we’ve changed it for the throwbacks. So someone else out there doesn’t agree with this “not ever” absolute.

Personally, I love our helmets, and our current uniforms. But I also think an all brown win uniform would be badass.

I prefer our current helmets to the throwbacks. Agree to disagree on the all brown.

unless I’m mistaken, th only alterations have been to the stripes. We have always had an orange helmet without a logo. that is what I meant.

You are mistaken. We used to have a white helmet. Also, “you do not change the helmet. ever.” didn’t exactly translate into “as long as it’s orange with a logo” to me.

Personally, I’d agree that we always stick with the 1961-present helmet for home and away. But I don’t mind the alterations for throwback uniforms, and I would love the alteration for the win uniforms.

We tried Brownie on it for a bit, but it never worked so he was dropped quickly.

I agree with him!

Alright 2 against like 7 haha.

There is like 3 (maybe 4) other people in this thread that said the dislike the all brown uniform.

I’d like it with the orange helmet and original orange trim.

Personally, I think that would kill the point and would just be our original home jersey with our brown pants.

Beautiful.

See that looks better than all brown completely.

Decent, all brown is still much better.

I was exaggerating.

“Steward, bring my my brown pants.”

They are a bit fruity, but that’s gotta be what the Pats were going for.

Hahaha, watch the tail end of Tate’s TD reception. He knows what those uniforms are all about.

WELLS WITH A TD! Yes! I needed that.

same here. One of my games is like a cripple fight. I’m wining 46 to 39.

I’m wining 53.5 to 39. But the guy I’m playing still has Matt Schaub, Chris Ivory, and the Steelers D left. And like I said, Kenny Britt or Zach Miller aren’t doing anything to help my lead.

I’ve got Miller in that game. Give him time. He’s got Lynch and Mike Williams, so I’m rooting for Oakland for once in my life :)

Kenny Britt/Zach Miller are pissing me off.

Vikings going for it on 4th and goal. Peterson will probably get it, and the guy I’m against has him. Ugh!

DIDN’T GET IT! YESSSSS!

DA is about to go in.

This will be interesting. Hopefully it means many Beanie Wells handoffs.

I should have played Tampa’s defense over Seattle.

picked up Tampa this week, I’m happy.

Kenny Britt is out with a hamstring injury.

FML!!!!

Thank you, Brett Favre, for rendering one of the best receivers in the history of the league useless.

One of the best receivers in the history of the league does a good enough job of rendering himself useless.

Pound the ball into the end zone, Arizona…

Yes! Steve Breaston didn’t catch the TD.

Crap my lead is down to 5.5. Definitely losing.

This What Should I Do? commercial blows.


the face of a true champion

Why waste time with Mathews when you have Tolbert?

(rhetorical question)

Is Aaron Hernandez hurt / inactive?

I don’t know, but I have Hernandez and Moss in this game and they’ve combined for 8 yards.

Britt & Miller- 8

Well that’s all Moss because Hernandez has nothing, whatsoever. I’m not ever sure if he’s seen a snap. That’s why I thought he might be hurt or maybe inactive for some reason… I don’t know.

There he is.

Moss had a TD catch negated by pass interference. So damn. I have both Miller and Moss.

Hernandez just had a catch.

Ohh nice! Better than nothing.

DA throws a pick.

Never mind. Holding on both sides.

Tom Brady needs to cut his hair.

he wants to, but his wife won’t let him. at least, that’s what he says

I know the story, but it looks awful.

There’s a lot of players in the league who need a haircut. The entire Packers linebacking corps, every Polynesian in the league, anyone (including Josh Cribbs) with dreadlocks and Tom Bieber.

I think some people can make long hair work. Cribbs and Chris Johnson for example. Troy Polamalu not so much.

chris johnson’s hair looks horrible.

Disagree, I think he makes it work.

Any man who goes to a stylist is no man at all.

You call him a stylist, Johnson is likely to call him a barber.

Johnson would be wrong.

Stylist Shop?

If anyone leaves that chair with dreads, it is.

So if you know more than 2 ways to cut hair, than you’re a stylist? Ha.

Benjarvus Green-Ellis needs a haircut.

anyone (including Josh Cribbs)

Don’t diss the dreads.

Seattle is awful, damn it.

I think that’s a fumble by Berrian.

Favre just got wrecked. Again. Tavaras Jackson 1/1, 1 TD.

Chin busted wide open. Blood everywhere.

I’m guessing it’s a deep cut, nothing broken as the announcers speculated.

My guess was correct.

Glad I didn’t see that!

he was carted off the field, curled up like a baby. Really feel bad for him, hope he’s alright.

I don’t feel bad for him. he put his streak ahead of his own health and his team tonight. he’s an idiot. He didn’t deserve to get injured further, no one does, but I won’t feel bad for him.


If that’s the point your making than Childress is far more to blame, he’s the one who ultimately makes that call. Really, I’m certain they both thought he gave them the best shot at winning, rather than Childress trying to keep Favre’s streak alive.

Still, I don’t feel bad either. It’s a cut, and he’s playing football. There’s a bunch of players I wouldn’t feel bad for.

There’s something else wrong with him besides the chin injury, if you’d seem him carted off the field you would have understood where I was coming from.

I’m still pretty sure it was just the cut on the chin.

he played because he thought he was healthy enough to, which he was, seeing as he did pretty well. not sure why you’re calling him an idiot.

How did he put his streak ahead of the team? Him playing hurt is still better than anyone else they Vikings have at QB, so him playing gives them the best chance to win. He wants to play if able to, just like practically every other starter in the NFL.

From watching the game, it didn’t seem like his injury made him play poorly, so I don’t see what the problem is. And the injury he sustained in the game had nothing to do with his ankle injury, it could have happened to any QB, so I don’t know what your problem is with him and why you’re calling him an idiot.

Look, I understand that many people hate Favre now because of how much the media has talked about him and obsessed over him the past few years, and that’s certainly your right to feel that way (although I think it’s a bit misguided), but it seems like you’re looking for reasons to criticize him now. If it was someone other than Favre who played through injury then I’m guessing you wouldn’t be saying those same things about him.

I would be, please don’t put words in my mouth (or in this case the opposite I guess). This is particularly annoying to me since when I first got here you angrily accused me of doing this to you. Stop being a hypocrite.

I disagree that Favre playing with a broken ankle is better than their alternatives. I understand he wants to play, just like any QB, but at some point you have to know it’s the wrong choice.

I won’t feel bad about any injury he sustained playing today because he shouldn’t be playing in the first place.

I’ll concede Simmsinns point above, this might be more on childress than favre. favre would want to play no matter what, it’s up to his coach to tell him to sit. IMO, that was Mangini’s worst mistake in NY.

Favre had a decent game though. More yards, one fewer TD and 1 more INT than Brady (and the next play after he got recked was a short TD pass by Jackson, so he likely finishes with better numbers than Brady).

I would argue that Jackson would have put up just as good of numbers.

and adds a rushing threat.

There is no way of knowing that. And considering that Favre, even slightly injured, is a much better QB than Jackson, I’m not sure how you can honestly argue that position.

1 TD less and 1 INT more is a huge difference IMHO.

If it was someone other than Favre who played through injury then I’m guessing you wouldn’t be saying those same things about him.

Please read that again. I didn’t put words in your mouth — that’s why I prefaced my statement with “I’m guessing”. I know you like calling me a hypocrite every chance you get, but please make sure you read what I wrote before you make such accusations.

I just googled ‘favre chin’, and the fourth result was to a Facebook page titled ‘If you kick John Madden in the chin, you castrate Brett Favre …’

YES! My opponent has AP on his team, I thought he’d get 6 there for sure.

that was a nasty hit on Favre. Not pretty at all.

hahaha Heyward Bey scored a touchdown! Wtf!

he put a sick move on the defender too, probably the best TD catch I’ve seen today.

Haha, a backup Tennessee safety swung at a Chargers player, whiffed it completely, and strikes a ref in the face! Ejected.

THat is former Ohio State Buckeye Donnie Nickey

Man, Derek Anderson is a stiff.

Anderson just blew the game for the Cards with a crucial INT

Ah, memories of that Cincinnati game…

Bahahahaahhaa! I needed Tampa Bay to win for a win in my weekly pool. I knew I could count on Anderson to lock it up for me!!! What a loser. Man I am so glad both of the stiffs are gone!

I think my post on the pool never came through. I only got two games wrong (the London game and NY)

Hey BA Dawg. Mentioned some time back that my wife and I are heading down to Argentina in late November and will be in BA from 11/20-23. Any advice on where to watch NFL (and maybe the Browns)?

So, basically, he was himself?

GO SAINTS!

I’d love to see the Saints win, but I think they are about to get beat down. :(

Prove me wrong, Saints! Please.

I think they may be more motivated to win this week. And it’s in NO right? That’ll help.

The Seahawks really need a QB.

The Cardinals need one more.

They could probably pick up Quinn for next to nothin’ from Denver. They hardly dress him for games anyway.

That would be counterintuitive.

I hope all the Mangini haters out there have enough sense in them to look at the current careers of both of the boneheads that occupied the most important position on the field for us last year.

And Arizona gets another one in the loss collumn w/ a couple more anderceptions. Why did I ever think he was a really good QB?

Tony Dungy just called us a “gimmick defense.” Screw you Tony Dungy.

The "Oprah" of the NFL......

Gimmick defense = completely confusing to New Orleans Saints.

If it stops the other team, it will work for me. Ryan is giving us a good defense out of a few aging veterans, a few promising rookies, paper clips, and duct tape.

I can’t wait for a couple more Heckert drafts.

I’ll agree, except the tone Dungy used was a lot less positive. He was stressing that the Saints run offense was soooo bad that they’d fall to a gimmick Browns defense. As if we are so bad that we can be a litmus test for failure of another team.

And I am saying that he can insult us all day and all we have to do is point to the scoreboard. Wins trump anything negative he could say.

Oh I see. Agreed.

Tony Dungy can rot for all I am concerned. His lay down against the Titans in 2007 is still one of my most bitter sport moments.

Same here. Won’t ever forget it.

Youch! “Subject Fail”!

And a reply fail to boot!

I was gonna say that just before you did! Damn laptop keyboard gets me every time!

I love how Steelers fans say it’s black and gold. No. It’s black and bright piss yellow. The Saints are black and gold.

Great point. Saints no what gold looks like. Definitely a piss shade of yellow on the Steelers.

We oughtta com up with a name for their colors. How about; “Bloody Stool Black” and “Hangover Piss Yellow”

That first one is definitely graphic haha.

You could same about stools for the Browns though :P

I think “piss and black” gets the job done.

Maybe it will finally “click” by seeing a side by side comparison.

I recommend this post.

This pisses me off. Shittsburg is using our amoeba/UFO package defense. Do something original for once squealers!

You know what they say about imitation and flattery. When was the last time Dick LeBeau even gave a second thought to copying the Browns defense?

Good point. It still pisses me off though.

At least we got a shout out on SNF.

I am fairly hog certain Rob Ryan stole this from somewhere and that the steelers have used it before this year. Still, I agree, eff the steelers.

rec for being fairly hog certain

Ha! “Hines Ward is so great at blocking!”

The dudes a major ass, but god, I respect his toughness. The dudes a great player, I wish we had someone like him.

He’s had a few great seasons, and launches himself to players that aren’t looking, but he’s really not anything special at WR. The announcers mentioned Hall of Fame, he doesn’t deserve to be there with the likes of Jerry Rice and Michael Irvin. No way in hell.

I hope T.J. Ward delivers a hit that wipes that smug little smirk off of his face next time we play them. He’s a punk.

For the reccord ward is in he top portion of all recieving records in the leauge. I know we browns fans don’t like him but simply put the guy is one of the best recievers on the history of the game. If he doesn’t go to the HOF, I think it’s a shame.

Also for the record, I did not mean to rhyme. I guess it was my poet self coming out. Yes I write poetry, go ahead and laugh.

Just because he’s not Jerry Rice doesn’t mean he can’t be in the Hall of Fame. That’s the argument people always use when they want to exclude a player from the hall — that he wasn’t as good as the greatest player of all time at that position. A WR doesn’t have to be Jerry Rice to be Hall worthy.

I know we, as Browns fans, are conditioned to hate all Steelers and thus many have trouble being objective about them, but Ward has a good case to end up in the Hall when he retires. I haven’t looked at his alltime numbers to see how they compare with many others, but he’ll probably be near the top of most receiving lists when he retires and he was also a very good blocking WR who was part of (at least) 2 Super Bowl winning teams. I hate to say it, but he has a very good case.

Thanks for agreeing w/ me BB. Now just waiting for SB to chime in and disagree.

Blah blah blah, a bunch of conjectures that I don’t feel like dignifying with a drawn out response.

This will be my last comment on this specific subject, consider this conceding defeat if it makes you feel better.

You never made any kind of argument at all, but you’re calling BB’s statements “conjectures” that you don’t want to “dignify?”

This doesn’t seem like an argument that’s worth being a dick over.

Just to add some numbers, Ward is currently at #24 in all-time receiving yards and #19 in receiving touchdowns. By the time he finishes his career, he’ll probably be borderline top-10 in both categories.

That certainly gives him a Hall of Fame argument, but you’ll have to consider the current anti-receiver bias, the fact that his numbers are inflated by the era, and the glut of receiver candidates that will be coming down the pipe. Guys like Randy Moss, Terrell Owens, Isaac Bruce and Marvin Harrison will all be HOF-eligible right around the same time, along with current candidates like Cris Carter, Tim Brown and Andre Reed, who have all failed to get in so far. Ward is going to be compared to those guys, and I think he’ll come up just short.

Thank you for the intelligent response.

You have a very good point about the lack of WR’s in the Hall and the large number who will be eligible soon (and are eligible now) with big numbers. Ward will certainly be behind some of them when it comes to career stats but I think some writers will give him extra credit for his good blocking and “toughness” (whether that’s actually true or not) and also the fact that he was the best WR on two Super Bowl teams (and he could certainly win more). But Chris Carter hasn’t even gotten in yet and he’s had two tries, so it will be hard for Ward to make it in over all the other WR’s. He’s certainly going to be in the discussion, though, and deservedly so. In any case, it’s wrong to dismiss his chances completely and say that he’s nothing special because that’s just not true.

And should he make it into the HOF, Canton, Ohio will be absolutely unbearable on HOF weekend.

I don’t know about HoF, but Ward is very good and has been for a while. His physicality and blocking are extremely rare at WR, and he can get open and catch the ball against just about everyone. He is kind of a dirty player though, yes.

Random, but has anyone seen The Social Network? Saw it today. Conclusion: Mark Zuckerburg is an ass.

Amazing movie. But there is a lot of Hollywood dramatization, just seeing that alone isn’t enough to conclude that on his real life counter part.

I know, but he kind of screwed his friend over.

He’s likely got some form of Asperger’s which would explain his behavior. Not even hinted at in the movie.

Should make my point…it’s a movie, don’t draw your conclusions simply based on that.

Dumb challenge. Buy hey, the Steelers have had favorable calls regarding fumbles recently, haven’t they?

True. Refs love the squealers.

Suck it tomlin!

Unsportsmanlike conduct should’ve been on both of them.

The steelers have already gotten away with two blatantly obvious personal foul calls.

Another stupid challenge by an NFL head coach.

This was overturned haha.

I’ll happily eat those words!

Cost the Stelers 4 points!

Got money ridin on those Saints – straight up – nothin big, more about wanting to rub a Steelers fans nose in a loss and make him hand me $.

Pats looked really good today. Jets defense looked awesome and offense not so much. Tough couple weeks playing the bullies of AFC East.

I’m more worried about defending the Pats passing game than any part of the Jets. Brady makes his reads and gets rid of the ball so fast it’s scary. The Packers are seriously banged up on both sides of the ball and gave the Jets more than they could handle today. I like our chances against the Jets much more than vs. N.E.

agreed. I think the Patriots offense is going to have a field day with us. Of course, I thought the same thing about the saints too.

That 1 TD pass by Brady to 19 was unbelievable.

Several passes were out of Brady’s hand so fast the camera had trouble keeping up with the movement. The accuracy was out of this world too. Little tiny windows to throw through and the ball was right on the money. I’m not a N.E. fan or anything, and I can’t tell you when I’ve ever sat and watched a full game of theirs before. Probably why I was so blown away. Eric Wright is in serious trouble.

I like our chances against the Jets much more than vs. N.E.

I don’t like our chances of scoring on the Jets D — Green Bay put up 9 points. Our offense is not Green Bay’s.

DANG. The Saints D just wiped that silly smile off Hines Ward’s face. It was lovely.

I was going to complain that the play before that was delay of game, not offsides, but the offensive PA evened it out.

Looks like the Browns rubbed off on the Saints – eh?

One thing I will give to Mangini – he has coached his arse off against Bellicek. Think he has had like 2 wins with a far inferior roster with the Jets.

Troy Smith Contest Results posted.

Prolly will become the starter if he can repeat that performance.

I’m really not trying to open a can o’ worms – honest……but how do T. Smith and C. McCoy’s body style and strengths / weaknesses compare? I know Colt’s collegiate numbers blow away Troy’s, but other than that – how similar are they?

Troy is a little heavier/bigger and a little shorter. Troy is probably faster. Troy’s motion used to be slower than Colt’s (don’t know if it still is, but Colt has a nice, quick release). If I had to say, I would give the edge to Troy in terms of arm strength. Colt wins the short ball accuracy, but Troy might be a little more accurate deep.

Randy Moss + Post Game Press Conference = Gold

I thougt that was pretty out of character – even for a character such as him. Pretty cool.

I think it’s because he wants NE to sign him when his contract is up. He quickly realized 41 yr old Favre is no Tom Brady.

The ’Ol Junkdealer was looking pretty good before he got blasted in the chops today though.

Did Ben seriously power clean a Saints player?

Of course, even when we’re no longer last in the division, NBC still considers us last in the division.

THERE’S A CONSPIRACY AGAINST THE BROWNS! ;)

Now we wait for BB to chime in…

We are last; we’re tied with the Bengals.

No, we’re third.

We beat the Bengals.

We’re tied for last. Anyone would say we’re last in the division, just like we’d say that about another team tied for last in their division. Tiebreakers only matter when deciding playoff spots.

Tiebreakers always matter.

Only when it benefits the Browns, right?

I’ve noticed this about you, you seem to do it a whole helluva lot now.

Guess what. I’m a Browns fan. Holy crap, surprised right?

Anyone would say we’re last in the division, just like we’d say that about another team tied for last in their division.

You use this disclaimer in every comment now man. No one here is ever going to be objective, why do you keep doing it? We have this damn objective/ subjective argument with you ALL THE TIME.

I know you’re a Browns fan, just like I am. But the problem I have is when you complain that NBC calls us last in the division — we are last. They are exactly right. Tiebreakers don’t matter now at all. So why act like NBC is doing something wrong when they aren’t. That’s what I don’t understand.

I still say we’re third. We may have the same record but we beat them, in all parameters, that makes us third. We are better than them.

That is perfecftly fine for your to think that way, but you can’t complain that NBC doesn’t say that. And it has nothing to do with the Browns, they’d do the same for every other team (and so would anyone else). You’re just nitpicking about nothing here.

(and so would anyone else)

You need to quit doing this, you really have no absolute clue what everyone else would do.

I don’t know what I need to quit doing, but from watching sports for my entire life I do have knowledge of how people in the media report the standings so I’m quite confident to say that nobody in the media, when reporting standings, cares about who holds the tiebreakers for last place in a division. So, yes, I can say that NBC and every other network would say the same thing for any team which is tied for last in their division.

Why are you even arguing this? Who cares that NBC said we’re last in the division (when we are)? Why even bring that up to complain about?

I don’t know what I need to quit doing, but from watching sports for my entire life I do have knowledge of how people in the media report the standings so I’m quite confident to say that nobody in the media, when reporting standings, cares about who holds the tiebreakers for last place in a division. So, yes, I can say that NBC and every other network would say the same thing for any team which is tied for last in their division.

Why are you even arguing this? Who cares that NBC said we’re last in the division (when we are)? Why even bring that up to complain about?

That gives you absolutely no credibility to say that but ok.

And I bring it up because it’s another example of the Media not giving the Browns credit where credit is due.

Yes, of course, the “Media” is against the Browns. How did I forget that.

Out of curiosity, did NBC refer to the Bengals in 3rd place, or did they say that the Browns were in last?

3rd – Bengals.
4th – Browns.

Tiebreakers also matter when determining draft position.

If NBC has a policy of showing standings in alphabetical order, then this is a moot argument. But if NBC (and any other media outlet) applies some type of tiebreaker for first place teams, that set of criteria should be applied with all teams.

This is not a bias against the Browns – it’s a bias against puttin in the extra time to set standings as they should be set.

The playoffs argument doesn’t hold water – because last I checked, the Browns and Bengals have not been eliminated from playoff contention. So, playoffs criteria should apply to all.

The playoffs argument doesn’t hold water – because last I checked, the Browns and Bengals have not been eliminated from playoff contention. So, playoffs criteria should apply to all.

My point is that the tiebreaker only matters for determining playoff positions at the end of the season (and draft order as well) so it doesn’t matter during the season. Whether or not the Browns are in playoff contention now is irrelevent to the point. When NBC (or any other media outlet) shows the standings now they don’t talk about tiebreakers if two teams are tied, they just say that they’re tied in that place. It doesn’t matter if they’re tied for first or tied for last. That was my point, so getting upset at NBC for saying that we’re in last place when we actually are in last place is just ridiculous. Can we please stop looking for supposed biases against Cleveland to complain about?

We’re not in last though, so.

We’re tied for last. Let’s go win some more games so we don’t have to resort to stupid numbers tricks to pretend we’re not in the cellar.

Why can’t we be tied for third then huh? Why does it have to be last? Actually, we aren’t even tied at all because we beat the Bengals, which means we hold the tiebreaker. So, we aren’t tied because we’re third.

You’re right, but just to point out… Even if we were tied for 3rd, we’d still be tied for last. Because there wouldn’t be a 4th place team. 3rd place would be last place at that point. Right?

DBN – we can debate semantics all day.

That’s 86.3% of the conversation here.

Oh my goodness. If there are two teams tied for third in a four-team division then they are also tied for last. Are we really going to debate the semantics of this?

If it makes you feel better, then you can say the Browns are third and the Bengals are fourth. But we both have the same record so we’re both third (or last) to everyone else. Tiebreakers don’t matter. Minnesota and Detroit are both 2-5 in the NFC North so every media outlet would say they’re tied for last, even though Minnesota beat Detroit. Nobody cares about tiebreakers in the middle of the season.

You’re making an argument about nothing just to complain about a supposed bias against the Browns. Please just give it up. Stop looking for biases where they don’t exist.

You should read Chris’s latest post and then come talk to me.

Not paying attention to all 32 teams—crappy or not—is still doing a poor job. It bothers me when people do a poor job. One mistake on live TV is not a huge deal, but it is a symptom of the larger issue, which results in crappier coverage.

Which is why I come here.

But it’s not a mistake, and it’s not about not paying attention to crappy teams. It’s not a mistake to say the Browns are tied for last, because they are. That how every media outlet would report it and every fan would say it, because it’s true. And they’d say the same thing if two teams were tied for first place (like Baltimore and Pittsburgh are), so it had nothing to do with how crappy the teams are. Why is it a mistake?

As I understand it, there are always tiebreakers now that they’ve gotten sick of the coin flips for draft position. It really doesn’t matter.

Brees’ Oline blows.

What is this “lull you to sleep?”

Meet Collinsworth. A terrible sounding announcer who is quite annoying sometimes.

….And – has ALWAYS hated the Browns.

Notice how he thinks Pouncey is the greatest Center alive.

I call bullshit.

He’s a former Bengal and he’s still just as guilty as every other commentator of blowing the Steelers continuously. Have a little pride – schmuck.

Lecharles Bentley on twitter is saying Pouncey is already top 3 in the league and will be number 1 by next season.

Bullshit.

I am willing to believe he knows what he is talking about.

I’d like to think he’s being extremely generous.

Why would he be extremely generous for a Steelers player? He has no affection for them. He certainly knows more about playing center than you or I, so how do you know he’s not right?

Shocking you’d put your 2 cents into this. It’s almost like I don’t even need to try anymore. I comment and you smell blood in the water. It’s predictable.

He’s a big Browns fan, don’t know why he’d rush to give a Steeler credit.

Hahaha, nice INT.

Fumble recovery, but nice try.

I only caught the tail end of a replay, fumble is still the same end result, so I’m happy.

An INT affects Ben directly, not as good but close.

A Steelers loss is a Steelers loss.

Soon to come this week.

“I think my hit on Brees was clean. If I can’t hit a QB late, then I don’t know if I can keep playing the game. I may retire!”

Ah, so true. An embarassment to flashes everywhere. How could such a dick ever wear a KSU uniform.

Awesome. I’m so glad he wasn’t that “on” against the Browns last week.

I’d love to use the sports transitive property here.

I can’t believe the Cowboys are 1-6. I love it though.

It will be a fine day when we can say the same about the Steelers.

Yes. But it will only be truly sweet when the Browns are 6-1 at the same time. That will be true bliss. But this will do for now. And Jones makes it all the more sweeter with all his posturing and talking about hosting the Cowboys for the Superbowl in his huge stadium. I like the guy but you can’t help but smile a little at his misfortune as a Browns fan. I just wish we played them this year.

Believe it. No line and can’t guard a soul.

So, I am a firm believer in the “Rany Moss” Syndrome. But NBC just wrongly pointed out Moss.

They tried to say that Moss gave a half hearted attempt to jump at a zinged ball in double coverge in the endzone to win the Packers game. Wow, really?

They then said that after drawing a PI call, that he should’ve kept running for the ball because he could’ve clearly caught it.

They were making something out of nothing. And there was a whole lot of nothing they were making it out of.

He absolutely could have caught the ball on the DPI call. He was jogging for 5 yards and it bounced 5 feet away from him.

If he sprints, he catches it and walks into the endzone. If he jogs and lays out once he realizes he still has a shot at it, he catches it and rolls in.

Agree 100%.

I had no idea why he didn’t catch it. He looked like he dogged it on that one.

I really wish that ESPN or NBC could change who they were showing on Monday Night or Sunday Night Football. Nobody wants to see a shitty Cowboys team almost every week in primetime, and I doubt many people want to see the Bengals next Monday Night. I understand that the Browns wouldn’t be on right now since our record isn’t great, but there are much more deserving games for primetime.

I believe that they have a flex schedule for the last 4 weeks of the season, where NBC can move a game to Sunday night if it’s a good matchup.

Well that’s good I guess. Too bad I still have to see the Cowboys (or just not watch at all, but that’s no fun). It’s unfortunate ESPN doesn’t do the same.

For some reason I think it is kind of funny when they schedule the same team on Monday Night for 3 games or something and then they end up sucking. Serves them right for giving the Browns NO games.

The last year that the Browns had multiple national games they stunk up the airwaves like the Cowboys are doing now.

Yup. And even last year, they still gave us some games, and we gave them the excellent Brady Quinn performance against Baltimore where we had like 5 yards total offense and got beat 16-0. (Though we did give them a good Thursday night game against the Steelers.)

I think it would be too much trouble for the fans to change a game from Sunday to Monday (or vice versa) so that’s why they don’t do it for MNF. It’s much easier to change a game from Sunday afternoon to evening.

Interesting (and probably useless) stat, we are 2-0 when we score more than 23 points. Think we can muster that much against NE next week?

I don’t think that stat is entirely useless. It doesn’t tell the whole story, but if we can score our D is good enough to at least slow the other team down. We usually have to avoid stupid turnovers to score that much, which helps us win as well. When we don’t move the ball, we don’t score. When we don’t move the ball, our defense gets tired and we end up giving up points at the end of the game.

All sorts of correlations between our scoring points and winning games.

The more I think about it, the less disappointed I will be if Seneca starts next week. I’d still really like to see what we have in Colt, but I’m pretty sure Holmgren can make that decision on his own. In either case, the coaches need to decide who gives us the best chance to win and stick with them. The starter should be getting all the first team reps, no competitions.

Now, if Jake starts, I’m not sure how I’ll feel.

Why does this happen every year?

I apologize for my multi-post rants, but when I’m in Browns-mode a lot of thoughts come to my head, and none of these posts would make sense together.

I’ll be fine with Jake or Colt. I really see no benefit to playing Wallace.

I saw Seneca put us in position to win, only to have our lead slip away. The last healthy throw I saw Jake make was an awful INT, a horrible decision that was reminiscent of last year.

I read that Rogers was in at DE for Robaire Smith last week. Is this true? I know he had quite a bit of pressure on Brees.

The plays I saw where he was generating pressure came from the nose.

I wouldn’t be surprised if this were true. Rogers has enough quickness to play DE for us when he is healthy and Robaire is out. He and Rubin are definitely two of our best DL, why not play both of them at the same time?

Rogers had easily his best game against the Saints this year. Hoping it means he is in shape.

I believe he’s actually been practicing. The bye certainly had to help.

Hoping it means he’s close to 100%.

All I can say is that I really enjoyed watching that Steelers game last night. It was a thing of beauty.

sign Moss

Agree. He talks too much, is selfish, and is a pain in the ass, but we need a threat at WR

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