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The Cleveland Browns played a complete football game against the New Orleans Saints.
CLEVELAND BROWNS (2-5)
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GAME #7 |
NEW ORLEANS SAINTS (4-3) |
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For weeks, we knew that the Cleveland Browns looked like a better football team than last year. At the start of the season, even the media gave some respect to Cleveland after they had been leading in the fourth quarter of losses to the Buccaneers, Chiefs, and Ravens. After not being able to win those close games though, and after what "seemed" like a blowout loss to Pittsburgh last week and a rough schedule up ahead, Cleveland was well on its way to being portrayed as the bottom of the barrel again. One thing prevented that from happening: a dominant road win over the defending Super Bowl Champions.
Saints fans probably don't think Cleveland dominated them, but they did. Defensively, the Browns took away everything the Saints were good at and made Drew Brees look terrible. Offensively, the Browns didn't turn the ball over and were able to drain out the clock late. On special teams, two huge plays negated the low yardage Cleveland had offensively, setting up scores.
Now, instead of being at the bottom of the barrel, Cleveland is back to being a threat, so much that a team like the New England Patriots can't bank on an automatic victory over us in two weeks. Neither can the Jets, or anyone else for that matter. With the bye week coming up to get healthy, this team has the tools to frustrate opponents and still make a last-ditch run at a postseason spot.
Let's get to the review of the game, starting with the the game ball...

WEEK 7 - CLEVELAND BROWNS VS. NEW ORLEANS SAINTS (COMPLETE GAME REVIEW)
Awarding the Game Ball:
- LB David Bowens: There were a few worthy candidates for this spot, but you guys made it clear in Monday's poll that the veteran backup linebacker deserved it. Bowens had two interception returns for touchdowns, both of which came at times when many of us as Browns fans usually come to expect the opposing team to score a touchdown. Our mentality was probably similar to the following:
"Up by an impressive 13-3 margin, surely Drew Brees will get his act together in the two minute drill and get the Saints back in the game?"
Nope. Bowens TD.
"Up by a solid 23-10 margin, surely Drew Brees will stage a fourth quarter comeback after throwing a recent touchdown?"
Nope. Bowens TD.
Both plays were, "Did that just happen?" moments, and Bowens made them more memorable with his theatrics as he entered the end zone both times.
Goats of the Game:
- While everything wasn't perfect against the Saints, the Browns played well enough to skip the "goats" section altogether this week.
General Thoughts:
- QB Dilemma: As we head into the bye week, we'll still milk the win over the Saints for all its worth. But, the bye week also brings up one of the biggest decisions Eric Mangini will have to face this season: who to start at quarterback. I expect all three quarterbacks to be healthy when the Browns take on the Patriots, and the Devil's advocate could make a good argument for each of the quarterbacks to get the start. I'll give my take on the Q-B situation over the next two weeks.
- Evaluation of McCoy: Stat-wise, it wasn't a flashy game for Colt McCoy. If you didn't watch the game, you'd probably think we won using the same strategy as last year (i.e. eliminate the quarterback from the offense). While I was disappointed Cleveland didn't connect on more third down conversions, McCoy never came close to making an idiotic decision.
He protected the football, something a team like the Minnesota Vikings aren't getting with a veteran like Brett Favre right now. When called upon to throw an important deep ball in the first quarter to Joshua Cribbs, the throw was right there and led to a pass interference call. Peyton Hillis got credit for the touchdown, but you might as well give it to McCoy on the throw. Seneca Wallace had a tendency to throw those passes out of bounds. McCoy had a lot of room for improvement, but I continue to like the confidence, poise, and overall decision making.
- Vickers' Drops: When the Browns drafted Lawrence Vickers, I recall him being praised for having good hands for a fullback. He had trouble with two passes in the flat from McCoy though. The first one was bobbled and hauled in for a short gain. If he doesn't bobble that, his toughness and burst after the catch might have netted a touchdown. On the second one, it was a good play call backed up in our own end zone and Vickers just dropped it. He had green in front of him and probably could've had a 20+ yard gain. Keep those plays in mind if you're over-analyzing McCoy's stats too.
- Mixing it Up Defensively: It's easier to say this after the fact, but the defensive calls against the Saints were exactly what I had been hoping to see all season. We used the versatility of our linebackers and defensive linemen to pass rush or drop back without showing it on any given play. The safeties came up at times, but overall the coverage stayed back and forced Brees to stay away from the big play. I thought everything really came together when you saw Brees throw the sideline pass on third down that T.J. Ward jumped and nearly intercepted. That play epitomized just how much we were fooling Brees.
- Bell Makes Me Nervous: After two games, when Mike Bell carries the football, I feel nervous. For whatever reason, he decided it was time to do blind "spin" moves behind the line of scrimmage while standing tall. It looked as if he was just begging for someone's helmet to be planted on the football as he spun. He's only lost three fumbles in his career, but right now I can see why Eagles fans didn't care that he was dealt. He had seven carries for zero yards with the Browns.
- Opening Things Up: Teams have been kicking away from Joshua Cribbs, which made the throw to Eric Wright so brilliant. There probably aren't any other kick returners in the league who could make that throw on the run going backward as far and accurate as he did. It gives future special teams opponents something else to account for, and that could open things up a little bit in the return game moving forward. By the way -- if the kick had been directed the other way, would Cribbs have then thrown the ball to Joe Haden?
- Hodges' Fake Punt: This was the type of play that you really can't try more than once in a season. It's all about the element of surprise, and special teams coach Brad Seely obviously did his homework for the play to work as well as it did. Reggie Hodges did a good job avoiding Lance Moore too. On NBC's nighttime pregame show, Tony Dungy noted that when Hodges was in Indianapolis, they had a nice little fake punt playbook for him because of how athletic he was. That was surprising to me, because I never knew he played for Indy. He actually didn't play in the regular season, but he competed with Hunter Smith for a starting role in 2006 and 2007.
- The Leading Receiver: Guess who the Browns' leading receiver was on Sunday? Brian Robiskie! Sure, it was only 3 catches for 25 yards, but that's better than being invisible, right? His catches didn't come in garbage time either. On a similar note, I wondered where Evan Moore was. I don't recall him being targeted once.
- Carlton Mitchell's Debut: It really wasn't an eventful contest for Carlton Mitchell, who didn't record a catch. I found it a little odd that after having run several successful end arounds to Mitchell in the preseason, the team decided to give the newly signed (and now waived) Yamon Figurs that play. Figurs stumbled, resulting in a loss of four yards and a busted drive.
- Getting Rough: Some people have picked on safety Nick Sorensen here before (stares at golanbatrac), but you have to appreciate a guy who is willing to do the dirty work on special teams. On a Joshua Cribbs fumble (replay review would have overturned it if necessary), Sorensen got to the bottom of the pile. With his helmet off and people gouging his eyes and roughing him up, he still emerged from the pile with the football.
- Special Teams Tackles: The Browns had six special teams tackle, led by Ray Ventrone with two. Jason Trusnik, Mike Adams, Blake Costanzo, and Titus Brown each had a tackle too.
- Big Day for Fujita: If it weren't for Bowens' two big plays, Scott Fujita clearly would have been the star on defense. He led the Browns with 11 tackles, 1 sack for a loss of 10 yards, 2 tackles for a loss, and a red zone interception (the first one that Drew Brees has had in his last 80 red zone tries). He also sniffed out a wide receiver screen quickly, forcing the play to go for negative yardage. Fujita was possessed to do well, but this marks the third time in four games that he's had a big impact.
- Ivory Stopped: Before the game, I projected that the Saints would struggle to run the football. I was right, as Christopher Ivory was held to a 3.2 YPC average on 16 carries. His longest run went for just eight yards. For as much of a threat as Brees was, any time New Orleans cued up the run, the Browns' linebackers were rushing to close the hole quickly.
- Other Defensive Stars: Although he dropped an easy interception, it was nice to finally see Abram Elam make some plays in coverage -- he had 3 passes defended, while T.J. Ward had 2 passes defended. Marcus Benard had a sack and 3 hits on Brees. Matt Roth had two tackles for a loss.
- Challenge on Colston's Fumble: I'm still so confused as to who ended up making the final challenge on this play, and what exactly the benefit of the overturned challenge was. Either way, the Saints went for it on fourth down and converted.
- End of the Game: I was watching the game on tape delay, and the very end of the game didn't tape correctly. The plays I missed were the one pass that netted the Saints' final touchdown, the onside kick, and the kneeldowns. The box score says Brees went to Colston on the touchdown -- can anyone help me out and describe that play, along with the onside kick? Was Colston wide open? Did the onside kick so right to Brian Robiskie, or was there a pile to recover the ball?
- Brownies: The Browns ran a lot of pitch plays to Peyton Hillis with success...the direct snap to Hillis would've been a trick play in itself, and then throwing it back across the field to McCoy was even more of a surprise...I assume McCoy didn't go down immediately because he wasn't sure if he had the first down yet...Shaun Rogers had a hit on Brees and so did Ahtyba Rubin...Solomon Wilcots wasn't anything to brag about, but he wasn't as unbearable as he was when we faced the Steelers...Phil Dawson was money on field goals, including a 49-yarder...here's hoping for Gus Johnson, Ian Eagle, or one of the top two CBS crews following our bye week!
We won't start talking about the New England Patriots immediately. We'll try to talk about how the season has gone so far over the next couple of days, and we'll also have an update on the Official DBN Fantasy Football League (which I have not been doing up to par in).
I could do without gus johnson. I’m still bitter about how shamelessly he gushed over LaDainian Tomlinson a few years back when we played the Chargers. Nauseating.
Dawg Nuts - October 26, 2010
You mean that You Don’t LIKE IT WHEN HE STARTS TO YELL!
But only As Something That MIGHT BE SLIGHTLY EXCITING HAPPENS! OMG!
Simmsinns - October 26, 2010
I love GUS JOHNSON!
Bernie19Kosar - October 27, 2010
i really do. one of the best there is.
DontCallMeJoey - October 27, 2010
He is bearable if it’s a sport he knows something about. He has no place announcing MMA fights.
Simmsinns - October 27, 2010
Who doesn’t? I thought everyone loved him. He’s fantastic doing March Madness.
Buckeye Brad - October 27, 2010
I don’t.
Simmsinns - October 27, 2010
yeah, he’s okay doing tourney games, he just irritates me at NFL games. he really slurped LT that day.
Dawg Nuts - October 29, 2010
You mean when he PASSED JIM BROWN’S CAREER RUSHING YARDS TOTAL?
woodsmeister - October 27, 2010
Can’t wait to read this more often!
Simmsinns - October 26, 2010
Seriously.
emily522 - October 26, 2010
Colston was uncovered in the back of the end zone, but Bowens got a hand on the ball at the front of the endzone.
Villeslgr - October 26, 2010
Did anyone know that Drew Brees named his newborn son Bowen before the game?
The Licensed Pessimist - October 27, 2010
Does anyone NOT know that by now?
TheDriveStillHurts - October 27, 2010
now I do, thanks…
Mr Orange - October 27, 2010
I think Seneca Wallace is the starter if healthy. I think they (Holmgren and Mangini) want McCoy a chance to watch again and gain experience. Wallace did a ok job, better than McCoy (not that McCoy was bad, he did better than expected in my book). So Wallace for the foreseeable future this season as McCoy watches and learns. THE one thing that is obvious is this is probably Delhomme’s last season. I can’t see him being here any longer. Thoughts?
champion64 - October 26, 2010
I can definitely see the thing about Delhomme but I’m not so sure about McCoy going to the bench. I’d say leave him in, that way if he starts to really struggle we’ll know we need to focus there in the draft. Plus if he tanks we’ve got a Wallace at backup. But if he does well, that will be really valuable game experience for him as he develops.
the_fox_and_the_browns - October 26, 2010
McCoy was pissed when he dropped it.
Same thing happened to me, God damnit.
SpecialBrownie - October 26, 2010
The onside kick went right to Robiskie, and he grabbed it then fell down.
Buckeye Brad - October 26, 2010
Well, more like he fell forward because he was already on his knees (I think).
Buckeye Brad - October 26, 2010
How is that recovery not worth a 2nd round pick?!
SpecialBrownie - October 26, 2010
Brandon McDonald was released by the Cardinals.
Roger Dorn - October 26, 2010
Haha.
SpecialBrownie - October 26, 2010
If we could combine McDonald’s ability to cover with Eric Wright’s ability to tackle, we’d have a pretty good cornerback.
woodsmeister - October 27, 2010
No we wouldn’t.
TheDriveStillHurts - October 27, 2010
meh, McDonald wasn’t even that good as a cover corner when he was here.
bross09 - October 27, 2010
Bron Bron lost.
haha!
SpecialBrownie - October 26, 2010
Woot!
emily522 - October 26, 2010
That team is going to have some serious issues to deal with. It’s very amusing.
Simmsinns - October 26, 2010
I know the people who comment on Yahoo! are generally idiots, but this cracked me up:
Lebron scores 31 and you still lose. Get used to it.
Best Regards,
Cleveland, OH
emily522 - October 26, 2010
Blockquote failure.
emily522 - October 26, 2010
It is funny, but we did have the best record in the NBA the last to seasons. Of course there is no chance they match that.
Simmsinns - October 27, 2010
The thing that is so funny about this game is, is that it was Cleveland all over again, minus any help from the supporting cast and minus a win.
The first thing they said in the post game show was “LeBron probably wants to go back to Cleveland where they can shoot.”
HA!
SpecialBrownie - October 27, 2010
You’re not going to get nothing out of Wade like that on the season. Bosh maybe, but not Wade. I’ve always looked at it as LeBron and Wade playing Kobe and Gasol with Bosh being their Odom.
Lebron will always do Lebron stuff, but that team will go to another level when Wade is healthy and on his game. Kind of like the Lakers once they started getting Gasol more involved in the game.
Villeslgr - October 27, 2010
yeah. Wade had a great game today whereas lebron only had 16 points. I dunno if either one can shoot well and score 30 on the same night. that remains to be seen.
bross09 - October 27, 2010
they are small. that will not help.
DontCallMeJoey - October 27, 2010
I think they were referring to the post season.
emily522 - October 27, 2010
playoffs*
I’m tired.
emily522 - October 27, 2010
Umm, there is a chance they match it. One loss is just one loss. I hope they fall on their face and the Lakers stomp them, but let’s not get ahead of ourselves.
TheDriveStillHurts - October 27, 2010
I love all the hate for the guy. He shouldn’t have made a spectacle of The Decision, but who really cares? If this team plays to their potential, they’re going to be great. Not sure how it’s any different than what the Celtics did.
StuckInPa - October 27, 2010
Are you serious? Hmmm, how about the fact that none of the Celtics spent 7 seasons as Cleveland’s “chosen one.”
Simmsinns - October 27, 2010
I guess I didn’t spend 7 season idolizing him as every Cavs fan seems to have done. I don’t care about the Cavs to be honest. I’d rather just watch a good basketball game.
Lots of jackasses play sports, but I don’t boycott their games just because I don’t like them.
StuckInPa - October 27, 2010
I never idolized him. I enjoyed his skill, but he’s been a douche for a long time, and I called that crap out every time. I know of a lot of Cavs fans like myself, but, yes many loved LeBron and didn’t see this coming.
I’m honestly not entirely sure what your getting at or what your ultimate point is though?
If your seriously wondering why we mock him or laugh as he loses, well that should be obvious, but if you really need further explanation as a non-Cavs fan, its kind of the same reason a Browns fan might mock Big Ben or Hines Ward, we dislike them.
Simmsinns - October 27, 2010
I was a fan while he was here, but I will admit that I thought as soon as they drafted him that it was only a matter of time before he went somewhere else. I really thought it would one day be NY, or maybe to Chicago to follow in Jordan’s footsteps. His leaving came as no surprise after he declared he would test the waters in free agency.
dawgtribe - October 27, 2010
honestly, most clevelanders don’t care as long as lebron/heat fans aren’t shoving it in our face.
The problem is, they are. Lebron is making this commercial where he pretty much goes eminem on everyone who criticized him.
Then heat fans bring up shit about how he left because cleveland as a city sucks, and talking all kinds of stuff, and that gets clevelanders riled up too.
Many friends in cleveland that like the cavs wouldn’t care about lebron if he, and heat fans just left cleveland the hell alone…but they can’t seem to do that.
Don’t get criticize the bear because the idiot kept poking it and got chomped on…blame the idiot instigating it.
bross09 - October 27, 2010
I think that the best thing that Cavs fans could ever do from now on is to ignore LeBron whenever he comes to town to play. Act like he doesn’t exist, meant nothing to NEO and Cavs fans.
We’ve all clearly seen now that LeBron has a gi-normous ego. Don’t feed it. Don’t boo him. Don’t say anything to him. Those things will fuel his emotions and motivation. Show that you honestly don’t care and you might bruise his ego a little. That’s about all we could do.
Strangely, he feels he’s been unjustifiably criticized by Gilbert, Cavs fans, and the media. In his mind, he’s the victim. There’s nothing that’s ever going to change his mind about that.
Lets just give him the cold shoulder and not waste an ounce of emotional energy on him. He’s not worth it.
Joe Thomas is.
dawgtribe - October 27, 2010
I believe many will ignore him and many already started. however, there will be some which will be very vocal about their hatred and drown out and overpower all the clevelanders ignoring him.
I totally agree with all of this. He definitely has somewhat of a victim mentality, possibly stemming from a fanatic narcissistic personality disorder (extreme narcissism and self centeredness combined with a paranoia about others, a view of their own omnipotence, and “wounded” in some way)
bross09 - October 27, 2010
Whoa… Psych 101!
dawgtribe - October 27, 2010
actually a bit of independent psychology learning. I’ve read books on behavioral psychology and behavioral disorders like this. I would have to go through all the symptoms to see if he actually met enough to count as possibly having NPD.
bross09 - October 27, 2010
that’s our brossy!
Dawg Nuts - October 29, 2010
I just think he’s a d*ck.
Bernie19Kosar - October 27, 2010
that too. it could be a combination of both.
All something like NPD is is just a clinical way of describing someone who is extremely narcissistic consistently and seems to feed on attention. Its like being schizophrenic…
bross09 - October 27, 2010
Can I just ignore the entire NBA and root for the Heat to lose from my apartment once the playoff start?
That’s my current plan.
rufio - October 27, 2010
Yes, you can. At least I hope so, because that’s my exact same plan.
Although I will admit to checking the score last night, so I can’t say how disciplined I’ll be in my implementation.
Western Reserve - October 27, 2010
I’m starting by ignoring this thread.
Brownsyup - October 28, 2010
I have to disagree with this.
Villeslgr - October 27, 2010
well…pretty much all my friends are from cleveland. I live in cleveland right now and listen to cleveland sports talk radio. Very few people are still truly spiteful. yes soem are still bitter a bit, but mostly do not show it until lebron is shoved in their face…
God, as I am typing this, that “what should I do” commercial played twice on ESPN.
but back to the point. there may be some who show their bitterness, but it seems from my observations, that most just want to move on and are excited basketball is back.
Lets take facebook statuses. Since the cavs won, I have had 33 facebook statuses about the cavs. out of those 33, only 11 could be classified as “anti Lebron” (which includes one that is questionably anti lebron that reads “looks like it was the right move letting lebron go”).
This may not be a large enough cross sample to get anything scientific, but I believe it is a more than fair representation…especially if you consider that the people that are more likely to post a FB status about the cavs game would be more passionate about the team and these people have a higher likelihood of being “anti lebron”. So I would say that 33% is possibly a little high.
bross09 - October 27, 2010
The difference was, none of them came together in their prime as the three top free agents in the same offseason.
SpecialBrownie - October 27, 2010
The Celtics came together through trades, not free agency.
Buckeye Brad - October 27, 2010
Also true. They gave up talent to receive talent. They didn’t just horde it.
SpecialBrownie - October 27, 2010
definitely
Jeff Green, Wayne Ellington, Al Jefferson, Delonte, Wally, Johnny Flynn.
You could actually make a solid rotation out of those guys that they traded (or picks that later turned into said players) for Garnett/Ray Allen
bross09 - October 27, 2010
Mixing it Up Defensively:
I was interested in how we would defend Brees, so I took some notes while I was watching the game. By my extremely unofficial and incomplete account (I missed at least 5 plays) we sent an average of 3.977 rushers per pass play.
6 was the max amount of rushers we sent after the QB, and we sent 6 on 4 occasions. There were surprisingly a large % of pass plays where we sent only 3 rushers, even twice where I only saw 2 rushers.
The number is a little skewed because of the contingencies we experienced at the end of the game (up by a lot) but prior to that I was happy with Ryan’s mix of 5-6 man pressures and 3-4 man pressures.
This does not take into account times where players had a blitz read (i.e. defender has RB man to man, but if the RB stays in to block, then you blitz) because I can’t write that fast.
rufio - October 27, 2010
I like that we’re not sending the house and still getting pressure. Hopefully we keep that up.
StuckInPa - October 27, 2010
This is huge. And it’s not like the Saints have a bad O-line. It was very encouraging to see guys beating their man 1-on-1.
notthatnoise - October 27, 2010
It’s probable that Brees expected the all out blitz. Mix it up really surprised him. Great job by Ryan.
dawgtribe - October 27, 2010
Another thing:
In the middle of the game, I was extremely worried about our ability to take our lead into the 4th quarter.
We began the game strong once again—a pattern I have noticed that says to me that our coaches work hard during the week to prep for the games, and that they are intelligent when they have this time to work.
The Saints had a 5 drive play to begin the game, then punted. We had a 6 play first drive culminating in a FG—not bad for us. The Saints went 3 and out, followed by our 5-play TD drive—including one of the deepest balls I have seen us throw.
After that point, the Saints averaged 7.77 plays per drive, while we could only muster 4.8. And I don’t think those numbers effectively communicate the disparity between how well either team was moving the ball. Aside from Hillis’ monster running on one drive, we had drives of 3, 3, 8, 1 (end of half), 4, 4, and 3 plays. Those drives resulted in 3 total points.
Defensively, we just witnessed “bend but don’t break” par excellence. We made Brees and co. move the ball (mostly) in small chunks, making them run more plays and giving them more chances to make mistakes/giving ourselves more opportunities to make plays. David Bowens capitalized, and the rest is history.
But it is still concerning to me to not have an offense that can balance being risk-averse with actually making first downs and scoring points. Our defense will not be able to consistently score 14 points/game. We will need every bit of trickeration out there if we are going to let the opponent outgain us 394 to 210. They out-gained us by almost as many yards as we had in total. NO also had over twice the amount of first downs as we did, and had the ball for over 10mins more than we did.
In my opinion, we will have to tolerate more risk to win games. Of course when we add this risk we will need to reap much more reward to go along with it. But unless our defense is ready to break out in terms of getting takeaways, we are going to look like we did against pittsburgh: keeping it close for much of the game, while our defense is on the field for long periods of time and our offense goes 3-and-out. Then when our D wears down, we’ll fall behind. Then, we’ll start opening it up on offense when we are behind (and it will be too late).
rufio - October 27, 2010
I think our current risk-averse dink & dunk passing offense is a symptom of the QB situation, itselft hampered by lack of experience and maybe quality at WR.
Sort the QB (and I do hope McCoy makes it; Wallace is a great backup) build some chemistry then you’re forced to line up with an honest D but still with Hilis looking straight back at you from behind our strong line.
I’m cool with where we are and where we’re headed at this moment
LondonBrown - October 27, 2010
It isn’t the dinking and dunking that bothers me. Plenty of teams really can move the ball by getting 5-10 yard passes.
The problem I am seeing is when the QB hits his back step, he isn’t throwing. There are too many times where the QBs will hitch, hitch, hitch, and then try to scramble.
Due to the camera angle, none of us who aren’t seeing the games live can tell if WRs are open. They probably aren’t, but in the NFL you need to be able to “throw them open”—at least occasionally.
Many of these times where the QB is hanging on to the ball there is someone open underneath for a dumpoff. By the time the QB hits his back step, he should have made his reads, at least kind of know what the defense is, and should be at least partially through the progression.
Any kind of chemistry we can develop will help.
But even with Hillis and our line, it is going to be very difficult to win many games like we did at the end of last year with the run-only offense.
rufio - October 27, 2010
Yep, that’s pretty much the original west coast offense isn’t it- throw the receiver open on an indefensible short pass and look for YAC on every pass. All key on what the WRs are doing, which we don’t really know- but also highly chemistry dependant. I’m hoping we can get a lot better in that respect.
LondonBrown - October 28, 2010
Well the original “West Coast Offense” was more or less “throw the ball to Jerry Rice” ;)
rufio - October 28, 2010
Good take, I agree that we need to start shifting to a more risk-accepting approach. I’d only add that this game isn’t the easiest to analyze in that respect, because we were ahead by more than one score for most of the game.
dgcambridge - October 27, 2010
thats a fair point. It’s hard to use this game in particular to assess our willingness to take risks since for the large majority of the game we didn’t need to.
notthatnoise - October 27, 2010
This is true.
The coaches definitely understand adjusting the risk/risk reward ratio based on contingencies (i.e. score, down/distance, place on the field, time left).
What I see as the problem is that currently we are too late in adjusting our approach to allow for more risk. In the pitt game, we kept it close the entire time but it was pretty clear we needed to do something differently/more risky (a trick play, a deep shot, a no-huddle shotgun offense, etc.) or we weren’t going to be able to win. Once they put us behind by a sizeable amount, then we tried to pull out the stops. We needed to pre-empt their scores if we wanted to win.
We did this to some extent against the Saints: the fake punt, the lateral, and the pass to Colt. After that point, it was mostly about chewing clock. But there was a point before the Bowens Pick-6 where you could feel the momentum swinging, Brees was figuring our defense out, and if we didn’t make a play on either side of the ball you got the feeling that they were going to overwhelm us. This is the point in the game I am talking about.
This whole strategy might be a result of Colt being a rookie and how that affects the playcalling, and it might be a reaction to some of our earlier games where we threw inopportune INTs. Either way, I think the coaches are overreacting slightly.
rufio - October 27, 2010
The fake punt on fourth and long while deep in your own territory showed a coaching staff willing to take risks. If that play failed, huge momentum swing and New Orleans could’ve easily tied it up going into the half.
TheDriveStillHurts - October 27, 2010
Yet another balloon burst.
JustBob - October 27, 2010
Seems obvious to me that they are trying to protect the quarterbacks. Frankly we don’t have a solid guy at the position yet and so they are trying to protect Delhomme / Wallace / McCoy from mistakes while leaning on our running game. Unfortunately, we don’t have a ‘gamebreaker’ at RB or wideout either so our offense tends to be really conservative and unable to get much going.
jaws. - October 27, 2010
Thanks for bringing up Nick Sorenson. I had forgotten about that play and Nick definitely deserves credit for keeping that decision out of the officials’ hands.
Monsters of the Midway - October 27, 2010
Hey didn’t know if anybody else saw this video on you tube. It is awesome! Sums up a lot of my weekends :)
Mr Orange - October 27, 2010
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dxdLwnIoKBY&feature=player_embedded
Here it is!!!
Mr Orange - October 27, 2010
Ha! That was good
Kimble_79 - October 27, 2010
I thought it was good the kids loved it lol
Mr Orange - October 27, 2010
This week has me asking more questions than answers.
1) Did our defense turn the corner and finally getting a legit rush, disguising coverages, and making plays?
2) Did Fujita hand us this win on a plate by preparing the defense with intimate knowledge of how to stop Brees?
3) Is McCoy for real?
4) Do we continue to evaluate McCoy for the remainder of the season?
5) Is this a momentum swinging win for us? Does the streak begin now?
More questions than answers I think. However, one answer is for sure from this game. The Browns are not bad and we have the potential to finish close to .500 this year.
Kimble_79 - October 27, 2010
1) Did the D turn the corner and get a legit rush… can’t say just yet. Without Reggie Bush, the Saints were one sided on offense. We’ll know more in the next few games when they face more balanced offenses. I do think they now know how to disguise coverages and execute it.
2) Yes
3) Have to see him in more games.
4) I say yes. Not anointing him as Cleveland’s new chosen one or anything, but I think he has two things going for him that Wallace and Delhomme don’t: the trust of the offense, and lack of big mistakes. No turnovers against the defending champs is huge.
5) The next two games are against the other one loss teams. It would be nice to get a W in one of the two, but I’m looking for them to start turning it on over the last 7 games..
dawgtribe - October 28, 2010
Does anyone know the name of the Saints’ blog? After going down to the game, I want to compliment their fans and the city for how absolutely welcoming they are to visiting fans. I don’t know if everyone there experienced this, but it blew me away. Can you imagine a Steelers’ fan saying “Thank-you for visiting our city” after we had just beaten them?
Nuclear Power - October 27, 2010
Found it, n/m
Nuclear Power - October 27, 2010
I ran into two Saints fans during the game who asked me if I knew the score (I was wearing a Browns shirt). I half-apologetically told them that the Browns were up 30-10, and they were incredibly nice about it: “Well, you guys deserve it, you had such a great game plan, I’m so impressed by your defense!”
So based on that sample size of one couple, I would say Saints fans are wonderful.
Chemo - October 27, 2010
I think there is a conspiracy afoot. Namely to strap us with the oversized linebackers. They ran the running plays right at them in the box, and Drew Brees deliberately threw the ball at David Bowens. Why? It´s the only sure fire way to keep us out of the playoffs. When it counts everyone will capitalize on our lack of speed at the position. The only thing to be surprised about is why it´s the defending Super Bowl champion, that is willing to take that hit.
mooncamping - October 27, 2010
There’s the old mooncamping we love.
TheDriveStillHurts - October 27, 2010
You had me at conspiracy.
Simmsinns - October 27, 2010
So, it sounds like you think the linebackers played a good game – even if the Saints were responsible for it…
I’m going back to my vote on the biggest off-season move and reiterate the addition of Fujita. Call me crazy, and it’s made even worse by the fact that the next game is against the Pats… But I’m loving how the LBs are headlining the defensive scheme. The Pats game will be telling, but I expect some more thrills in less than 2 weeks.
Spidey - October 27, 2010 via mobile
It´s good that you say the next game is against the Patriots, because they´re the original world wrestling federation of football team, that it would seem we are aspiring to be like.
mooncamping - October 28, 2010
So, it sounds like you think the linebackers played a good game – even if the Saints were responsible for it…
I’m going back to my vote on the biggest off-season move and reiterate the addition of Fujita. Call me crazy, and it’s made even worse by the fact that the next game is against the Pats… But I’m loving how the LBs are headlining the defensive scheme. The Pats game will be telling, but I expect some more thrills in less than 2 weeks.
Spidey - October 27, 2010 via mobile
rec for use of the word “afoot”
woodsmeister - October 27, 2010
I thought Ward played his best game in coverage to date.
Roger Dorn - October 27, 2010
I really wish he would have come down with one of those picks.
notthatnoise - October 27, 2010
I believe I slammed my head against the table at the bar when he dropped one of them.
rufio - October 27, 2010
He dropped one in the Baltimore game, no?, that he easily would have taken for six. He starts making those plays and the heads really start to turn. He’s playing well, though.
Western Reserve - October 27, 2010
But could play weller.
JustBob - October 27, 2010
Speaking of playing weller, Eric Berry’s really turned it on the last couple of games.
golanbatrac - October 27, 2010
completely agreed. i thought elam played a (rare) very good coverage game, too.
DontCallMeJoey - October 27, 2010
I think Elam becomes more effective when there are more people dropping into coverage with him.
rufio - October 28, 2010
On this note, if anyone has the NFL Network, watch the show Playbook.
Mike Mayock does a segment on TJ Ward and how far he is coming along playing the pass. One of the clips shows the coaches tape (I wish I could watch this feed all day). Ward breaks on a Brees pass before it is even thrown. He shows amazing instincts on the play.
Another play is the end around to Meachum. It showed how Ward fought through a blocker and forced Meachum OOB. If it wasn’t for Ward’s play it would have gone for big yardage.
Mayock just gushes over how well Ward has played this season. It is good to see some Browns getting national recognition. I didn’t cover everything, the segment is definitely worth a watch.
Bernie19Kosar - October 28, 2010
Mayock knows his stuff too, he really analyzes tape more than most media people. I wish this comment weren’t buried in a post so far down at this point, you should re-post elsewhere.
Roger Dorn - October 28, 2010
I am trying to find the clip so I can post it.
NFL network is killing me right now though.
Bernie19Kosar - October 28, 2010
Boom.
Bernie19Kosar - October 28, 2010
Sick, thanks
Roger Dorn - October 29, 2010
I totally agree. Mayock is awesome. I am not 100% sold on him as a draft expert (not that he’s bad just not sure if he’s that much better than Kiper), but I love anytime he gets tape in his hands.
bross09 - October 29, 2010
OT but…
CAVS WIN!!!!!!!!
emily522 - October 27, 2010
YEAH!!! Gotta be a slap in the face to LeBron. Beating the Celtics when he couldn’t pull out a W against them last night. Glad the “other guys” were able to play so well tonight… It’s early, but hey, I think we’re underrated this year. Byron Scott has a pretty good thing going, I think.
Wouldn’t it be great if the Cavs and Browns end up on the upswing at the same time? Two winning teams in Cleveland? I can’t remember the last time that happened… :)
shep615 - October 27, 2010
2007.
notthatnoise - October 28, 2010
we had 3 that year!
notthatnoise - October 28, 2010
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