Dawgs By Nature

Well that was awesome. Now for some Madden.

How in the hell did the Raiders score 31 points in the first quarter?

Zach Miller has 10 points and he’s on my bench.

For Hernandez, right? Sorry about that. I started Hernandez as well, so at least I took my own bad advice.

Yeah. It’s ok. Brandon Lloyd is sucking too. Thankfully I still have Rodgers, Miles Austin, and Steve Smith. I’m down by 13 but my guy only has 1 player left.

I told you…

Yup dumb move.

Beanie Wells has a TD. Hope you started him over Ronnie Brown.

Thank goodness that I decided to start McFadden this morning. He was questionable after not playing last week, but I took the chance and it payed off beautifully. 4 TD’s and 43 points so far (and I have him in the LGT league as well).

Kenny Britt had a huge game today as well.

Mind blowing game. Won most owners that started him the game outright.

I have him and Roddy White in one league…rolling

TheDriveStillHurts - October 24, 2010 reply

McFadden double killed me — in my main league, I started Michael Bush against a guy with McFadden. Bush still put up a solid 11.5 points*, but DMC killed me.

*Why doesn’t DBN league do partial points by the way?

Awesome awesome awesome win. Even though McCoy didn’t come close to matching his performance from last week, I can’t see a reason not to start him from here on out.

So far so good, right?

9James - October 24, 2010 reply

He had a very underrated performance. No confusion or delay of game penalties. No mind numbing WTF throws right to DBs. Complete poise in a din of a Stadium against the SB champs. Big difference in the game – Brees 4 picks and Colt 0 = nuff said. Big hat tip to Bowens, Fujita, Hodges – tremendous efforts. Special shout out to Mangini, Ryan, Sealy, and Daboll. Well down gentlemen

He could have made several more throws than he did. Good that he didn’t have any giveaways, but as he gets better he needs to be able to make some of these throws into coverage.

He should also get credit for a nice deep throw to Cribbs that caused the pass interference call. That was a beautiful throw and right on the money.

+1
I really think the key was the coaches had the team so well prepared, that Colt was going to manage the game with the lead. I really think he would have thrown more if we needed to.

It could have been the same trajectory 2-3 yards deeper for a completion. I’ll take what I can get, though, and underthrown is usually better than overthrown in that situation.

Looks like the “Steelers don’t lose” rule was applied again against Miami. When are the Steelers going to have a bad call hurt them for a change?

when they play somebody thats going to win anyways. If playing against a good (MI) or excellent (CL) or acceptable (JAX) team they’ll get the call.

Incredible game guys! I saw that hodges run live! I wish jax play calling was 1/10 as creative. The last time we had a punter run it from punt formation was 1996, last fake punt for us was three years ago. I probably can give you the win later on this year against the jags, just promise to make it 10 pooints or less and no intentionally awesome plays please. anyways i havent kept track but go whup the rest of the AFC North for me they deserve it since that ravens led embarassment back in 2008 where they were throwing deep up 21 points

jawsaints - October 24, 2010 reply

oh…GO BROWNS!!!!!

jawsaints - October 24, 2010 reply

Not even going to brag about how Colt outplayed Brees. Wow did Mangini, Ryan, Sealy, and Daboll come up with a game plan or what? Fujita and Bowens just unbelievable. I have never in my life seen a better coached, better prepared, harder working totally chitty team in my life.

It’s wins like this that say that the coaching staff still has the team. No matter how this season plays out, I would be extremely disappointed if the coaching staff is not back next year. How can you not like the grit and the heart that this team plays with. And when they execute like they did in this game, it’s a thing of beauty. Loved the the imagination in the play calling across the board.

I think Terry Pluto wrote it in one of his articles “grit and gimmicks”. Good post dawg.

We have a trend of beating Super Bowl teams:
Oct 13, 2008, vs NYG, 35-14
Dec 10, 2009, vs Pitt, 13-6
Oct 24, 2010, vs NO, 30-17

I pointed this out to my dad at the beginning of the game, I know it’s easy to say now that I had a feeling about today, but I was convinced that we were gonna continue the trend.

TheDriveStillHurts - October 24, 2010 reply

it’ll be hard to beat ourselves next year…

Sizemorgasim - October 24, 2010 reply

Yup I pointed this out (as I am sure others did) at the beginning of the week. More important: let’s hope we use this as a springboard like the Pittsburgh win last season, and NOT like the Giants win a couple years back.

We have a trend of beating Super Bowl teams:

that’s good. Let’s do it when we’re one too…

johnnyphoenix - October 24, 2010 reply

Doesn’t that have the effect of dividing by zero?

Spidey - October 24, 2010 reply

I think he meant beat the other team in the SB.

This was hilarious we were watching the game with my dad, and I said “Dad only a Browns fan would be worried up 20 with 2:00 left”
And we preceded to break down how the Saints might possibly come back on us!

Thank you for the win Brownies, I’m probably the most psyched since we beat the stoolers last year

Jayson732 - October 24, 2010 reply

pretty effortless 45-ish yard toss from mccoy on the pass interference call. he may not have a howitzer, but so far i’m not concerned at all about his arm strength.

phenomenal win that exemplifies this organization today: tough, gritty, smart. this was a lot less about talent and much more about effort and execution.

Yeah, that long pass was encouraging. And it didn’t sail out of bounds. It definitely could’ve been caught.

This.

That was supposed to be one of those “back shoulder” throws. Another benefit of them is the DPI calls you get.

In addition to the trick plays, it gives the teams on the rest of the schedule something to think about and plan for.

Loved the creativity from the coaching staff today. Bowens was outstanding. Colt managed the game well. Eric Wright did something good. No turnovers for us. 4INTs. Browns win.

Couldn’t have asked for a better Sunday.

da36chamberz - October 24, 2010 reply

+ a million

Yup. And I think this game was more focused on defense and running the ball, rather than focusing on the pass. So basically, his numbers reflect that strategy.

I will be really pissed if we put Delhomme in for Colt.

I will be really pissed if we put Delhomme in for Colt.

I hear dat!

WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT!

Hahaha.

“A few days after Drew Brees(notes) welcomed a son named Bowen, his game was ruined by Cleveland linebacker David Bowens.”

Jason Wright made the worst fumble on a kick return I’ve seen in my life (ARI vs SEA). He sucks. Arizona should really reconsider their policy of picking up our leftovers.

DAVUS: KEEP PICKING UPSETS.

I thought you were nuts at the time.

Nice call Davus

CHRIS: KEEP PICKING UPSETS.

Anderson to take the field for Arizona! This one to go on Comedy Central. Stay tuned.

might I add they’re down 16-0 in the second half. Want to guess how many picks? I’m going to go with 2.

I don’t know, Anderson always seems to play better when the opposing team hasn’t prepared for him. If he starts next week though, you can be sure that he throws at least 2.

I hope he comes back to lead them to victory.

Chris Pokorny - October 24, 2010 reply

No.

boo

i’m with you, chris. anderson always seemed like a pretty standup dude, even if he is a terribly inaccurate passer.

I’m rooting against him for fantasy purposes.

He also said we didn’t deserve a winner.

He was referring to a specific group of Browns fan that cheered when he was injured, in which I agree.

ah, then yes, I agree as well.

He said Cleveland doesn’t deserve a winner, not the people who cheered when I was injured don’t deserve a winner. He lumped everyone together.

“The fans are ruthless and don’t deserve a winner … I will never forget getting cheered when I was injured. I know at times I wasn’t great. I hope and pray I’m playing when my team comes to town and (we) roll them.”

Take it whatever way you want to, but I don’t blame him for that. Still, he felt he needed to apologize and did:

“I said some things to Jeff Schudel (of The News-Herald) earlier that I regret. Those of you who got to know me personally from covering the Browns over the past five years, know this was out of character for me. I wasn’t taken out of context, but I was speaking out of my frustration after my career with the Browns came to a close.
”I had some great times playing in Cleveland, especially during the 2007 season and I met some great people and made many lifelong friends along the way. I’m looking forward to starting a new chapter in my life."

Or his agent told him he did. We’ll never know.

I highly doubt that. Still, I don’t have an issue with first statement anyhow, don’t think it required an apology.

you mean the same group of fans that supposedly cheered when big ben got a concussion in ‘08? oh wait, that didn’t happen.

Yeah, I’ve never really understood the hate for him from some Browns fans. Just because he wasn’t a great QB doesn’t mean that he’s a bad guy.

Wasn’t he the one that said Browns fans don’t deserve a winning team?

"The fans are ruthless and don’t deserve a winner … I will never forget getting cheered when I was injured. I know at times I wasn’t great. I hope and pray I’m playing when my team comes to town and (we) roll them."

That pisses me off

I hope Colt wants to roll our opponents.

Players often say things they regret right after they get cut by a team. It’s an emotional time. I wouldn’t read too much in to it.

As far as wanting to get revenge when he plays the Browns again, there is absolutely nothing wrong with that. Every athlete feels that way.

Still pissed me off

He’d be out of the league if it wasn’t for us.

What does that even mean? He played well for us for year so he owes us something? I don’t get it.

IF it wasn’t for us, he’d probably wouldn’t have a job. No need to bad mouth us.

Probably referring to the fact that he was a 6th rounder that got cut by the Ravens before we gave him a shot.

I’m pretty sure that some other team would have given him a shot if we hadn’t. There is no reason to think that he’d be out of the NFL right now if the Browns didn’t pick him up. QB’s with arms like him always get chances to play in this league.

I say Earl Thomas gets one.

Shocker.

2 and 5 heading into the bye week – that’s pretty much where we expected to be. It’s just that we did not expect to be going in to the bye off of a win.

Spidey - October 24, 2010 reply

Saints fan here.

Congrats, the Browns outplayed us and also played to win the game with play calling. Good defensive schemes—really had Brees confused. Hope we can beat your hated rivals next week—need it big time. I’m a Delhomme fan and I know he is at the end of his career, but I hope he does well when he gets in there. Harvey Pekar is smiling somewhere—became a fan after seeing the movie and looking at the old Letterman showdowns. It would be nice to see the Browns back in the playoffs soon. Good luck.

mjtig - October 24, 2010 reply

ope we can beat your hated rivals next week—need it big time.

This would be excellent.

johnnyphoenix - October 24, 2010 reply

We hope you slap them around and grind them into the turf like the cheapshotting headhunting punk thugs that they are. Unfortunately, they’re the damn luckiest team in the NFL.

woodsmeister - October 24, 2010 reply

Anyone who can beat pittsburgh or baltimore is an ally in my eyes. Good luck from here on out, I like your city and your team…just not when you play us.

Please beat the Steelers and Ravens.

Jake would be 3rd on my depth chart right now, but thanks. We needed a win like this and I hope you beat one of the two. The Steelers need to be punched in the face more than the Ratbirds, though. Go after them.

I hope you beat the hell outta them.

Send Jerome Harrison our love, will you?

Actually, on second thought, if you could hit him HARD and lay him out on his back, that would be great. And as he’s lying on the ground writhing in pain asking “WHY??” I hope whoever hit him points at him and says “YOU KNOW WHY!”

shep615 - October 24, 2010 reply

And by Jerome I secretly meant James.

Fail.

shep615 - October 24, 2010 reply

I was like “wtf?”

I hope he ~~does well when he~~ never gets in there.

Good luck to you guys as well.

reply fail to mjtig above.

Serious, off topic question here, what are the chances Josh McDaniels is gone after this season? I’m watching the OAK-DEN game right now and that team sucks.

To Mr. Roger Dorn’s pleasure, I assume. They’ll give him an extra season to play Tebow and then they’ll can him.

To my pleasure as well, my wife is from Colorado. Her whole family is insufferable.

I think I hate the Raiders a lot more than the Broncos. I am a fan of the expansion Browns and therefore do not hate the Donkeys as much as other Browns fans do.

boooooo

lol

59 points. I wonder if Oakland scored 59 points in that season Art Shell was coaching them.

How does one become a fan of the “expansion Browns”?

I was wondering the same thing. It makes me have a lot of admiration for him.

There was a discussion about this awhile back. I was pretty astounded to find that anyone actually became a fan during the past decade.

I was 11 when the team was moving and I had not moved to Cleveland yet. The expansion Browns are the only Browns I have really known.

That’s sad.

JulioBernazard - October 25, 2010 reply

Mostly the same here.

I was five when the team moved, so I don’t really remember anything before expansion.

Same.

Well just take our word for it, you should hate the donks.

Go Browns.

We’ve played well enough to be undefeated. Let’s hope this is the corner.

HenryDawg - October 25, 2010 via mobile reply

Would you trade Colt straight up for Tebow?

Nope.

in football??

This has to be a rhetorical question.

If they threw in a couple draft picks I might.

I put a lot less value on H-backs than I do QBs.

haha

rebuilding year - October 24, 2010 reply

It worked out well with Hillis.

ha, nice.

*QBs that still could become legit NFL starters.

And Peyton is a RB for us.

Haha, I’ve just never seen a talented team disassembled so quickly because of a coach’s ego. They have the worst rushing attack in the NFL after years of being the best in the league.

Also, what happened to Eddie Royal? And Mike Nolan?

Mike Nolan quit after one season because of McDaniel.

Seriously.

So did Cutler, and his wife… because that’s all she needed to get Hillis.

Cutler’s a baby. Between Cutler & McDaniels, I take Cutler.

Ugh. I meant McDaniels.

They were both acting like stubborn 12 year old girls, but the coach has to suck it up and keep his franchise QB.

I would have agreed if he hadn’t shipped off 4-5 players already for similar reasons.

Cutler, Marshall, HIllis, Scheffler, Alphonso Smith and apparently Champ Bailey is the latest.

Exactly what I was implying. That defense hasn’t been as good since he left.

He sure screwed them severely. I’ll admit, I was defending him early last season, but I was dead wrong. He really drove a good franchise into the ground.

Hillis, Marshall, Cutler… he dealt his best players away for nothing. He can’t draft either.

Could you imagine where we’d be had we hired him instead of Mangini?

Cribbs would be traded and Tebow would be starting after being selected 7th overall.

and hillis would not be on the team, and apparently brady quinn would be the qb…

translation: nightmare

enough to make me sick.

Monsters of the Midway - October 24, 2010 reply

I don’t have the breakdown but Denver had a ton of draft picks and I don’t know what they have to show for it.

On a side note, Kyle Orton is underrated and drafting Tim Tebow was idiotic.

drafting Tim Tebow was idiotic.

I don’t want this to sound snarky or anything, but this may win the “most obvious statement of the year” award.

Monsters of the Midway - October 24, 2010 reply

No doubt. Great sig line

The trade for Cutler was fantastic though. Kyle Orton prolly better straight up and then they get a slew of top picks? On that – Josh deserves an A.

I thought the same thing, at first. Then I’ve seen the degradation of that offense since McDaniels took effect, and I realize I was wrong.

Also, I don’t think Orton is more talented as a QB than Cutler.

Orton has been under rated for all his career. Is he peyton Manning? No. But I definitely think he’s as good as Eli.

No thanks.

Eli is overrated.

Orton is underrated, but I think he has less talent than Cutler.

Orton may not have the talent of Cutler, but he has much more between the ears. The more I watch cutler, the more I think he will never be anything special.

He could be great if he had time to throw.

that has little to do with the fact that he often refuses to throw the short route when the guy is open and always seems to look deep and force it deep.

martz

so martz is seriously telling him to ignore the open receivers and force it downfield? it is hard to believe that ANY OC would do that.

That is the Martz offense.

You just passed obvious football 101.

The Martz offense has hot reads built into it.

The reason its QBs get demolished is not because they force the ball deep, but because they always get 5 out into the routes. Meaning if the QB doesn’t make the correct hot read before the defense does, you are looking at concussions.

Not as long as Chicago doesn’t have an o-line or receivers.

Monsters of the Midway - October 24, 2010 reply

Cutler’s got more talent but he seems to be getting worse while Orton is steadily improving. Even this year without Brandon Marshall Orton has been solid.

never underestimate the importance of an offensive line. Peyton Manning wouldn’t look good in chicago.

with a pretty good O-Line, solid rushing attack, and great weapons in Denver, he was never amazing or elite. he showed flashes but even then, he was not all that good.

look at his stats from 2008 in Denver and tell me he wasn’t all that good.

he was pretty good with very good weapons. He was not better than Orton has been however and isn’t that how this whole thing started? that trade for orton for cutler?

you aren’t factoring in the difference in offensive philosophy. Cutler did that on a run-first team. Orton is on a passing offense.

and how much better has Cutler been than Orton in the Chicago offense?

again, you are not taking the difference in offensive philosophy into account.

was the difference in offensive philosphy that much different between 2008 and 2009?

Cutler is not a good QB

The kid has not been any better than .500 since High School. The only starter in the NFL that can say that.

sahyouni - October 25, 2010 reply

football is a team game.

This is all wrong.

100% incorrect.

This is pretty far down so I can’t tell if you are responding to my statement. If so, check out Orton’s numbers (Passer Rating, TDs and INTs and Yards) vs. Cutler’s for ’09 and so far this season. Cutler is in a downward spiral and Orton is improving.

And I really don’t think it’s a stretch to say that Cutler was born with more talent to throw the football than Orton.

if you want to check what post a comment is a reply to, you can click on the “up” button at the bottom.

Thanks man. I didn’t know that.

It was referencing Bross’ claim that Cutler has never been amazing or elite.

Thanks for the clarification. Notthatnoise’s tip above will be very helpful in avoiding any future confusion.

when was he “elite”?

Please point this out. In Denver, he was good and on the verge of being amazing or elite, but never got there IMO.

2008 was an amazing season by Cutler.

He had no running attack (His leading rusher was Micheal Pittman with 320 yards) starting 6 different RB’s. He had the 30th ranked defense as well.

He lead that team to an 8-8 record. Think about that. No defense, no running game, and a .500 record.

If that isn’t good enough in your eyes, you need to re-evaluate your standards.

and something like the 15th most passing yards in NFL history

I guess I was just looking at QB rating and its pretty good, but I wouldn’t consider it amazing. I forgot about the lack of rushing attack.

I guess I quantify amazing as one requirement is a 90 QB rating. Thats why I said he was on the verge, he had an 88.

Maybe you don’t agree with this methodology, and maybe I should have considered yards too, but that is how I came up with him being on the “verge of amazing” but not amazing.

Context.

Orton might not be more talented than Cutler, but the goal is to have a QB that produces. At what point in his career does Cutler become more than just talent? Plus I’m an Orton fan, because i think he’s been unfairly slammed his whole career.

jeff george was a pretty talented guy…

I agree wholeheartedly with you that Cutler is much more talented than KO – but I will stick to my guns and say the KO is the better QB and will always be the better QB. I prefer the mistake free QB to the gunslinger. I like Brady more than Favre for example. Montana better than Marino you get the point.

realmccoy - October 26, 2010 reply

I prefer the mistake free QB to the gunslinger.

See: Raiders v. Broncos 10/24/2010.

mistake free QB

You are referring to Kyle Orton here?

rufio - October 26, 2010 reply

I think if Cutler were playing in that offense right now, he’d be putting up incredible numbers. McDaniels runs a QB-flattering system, that’s for sure.

Chemo - October 26, 2010 reply

McDaniels runs a QB-flattering system, that’s for sure.

He was a Pats’ OC.

SpecialBrownie - October 27, 2010 reply

another belichick-family-tree success story…

(deep breath..) apparently, belichick is a freaking evil genius, b/c none of his assistants has had anything even remotely resembling success elsewhere (until mangini takes the browns to the playoffs this year, obviously)

I would argue that Mangini was successful in New York.

I would aid you in this argument.

he seemed to be headed that way, but i’m not sure a .500 record in 3 years is quite “successful”, is it?

in any case, mangini is one out of: romeo, weis, mangini, mcdaniels … who else? 25% hit rate, even if i concede mangini in ny, is not good.

the point remains.

the argument for Mangini in NY is that he had one playoff year, one bad year, and one year sabotaged by Brett Favre. Coincidentally, the year he got fired the Jets went 9-7, and then the year after with Rex Ryan they went 9-7, with two victories handed to them when the opposition sat their starters. Ryan was hailed as awesome, Mangini still stunk.

i understand the argument for mangini.

but ultimately it’s beside the point that i’m making, which is that the belichick family tree sucks.

I think the Belichick family tree sucks at head coaching, as coordinators however… Weis and Crennel seem to be doing pretty well in KC.

the HC thing is the whole point.

Correct. My point was off topic. Apologies.

The problem might be more that NFL people think success as a coordinator translates to being a HC.

Romeo and Charlie are killing it as coordinators—and Weiss’ offense did alright at ND. McDaniels has put up respectable numbers for Denver’s offense despite getting rid of most of their talent. Mangini has our defense playing well above their talent level.

here here

I hope McDaniels isn’t gone after the season. They’re terrible and I hope that they stay that way!

Kris Brown has 6 successful onside kicks in his career. That number seems impressive.

Brad, you were right: Wells with 11 points. Brown with 3. Should’ve listened to you!

Can’t think like that or you’ll never trust yourself to make fantasy football decisions.

I try to think of every starter choice I make as the right one, I otherwise just got unlucky.

Ha, I just got lucky on that one. I knew Wells could be productive but he hasn’t shown it this year. The only reason I picked him over Brown is because Brown was facing the Steelers defense.

But, as Simms said, you don’t know what’s going to happen and have to go with what you think is right. If it doesn’t work out that doesn’t mean it was a bad decision. (Of course, going against my advice is ALWAYS a bad decision . . . haha!)

YES! YES! YES! We have joy in BrownsTown tonight!! Congratulations to all the guys and girls who love the BROWNS. We have something to be very happy about tonight!!

champion64 - October 24, 2010 reply

Bellichick just made a very questionable coaching decision. Up 3, with exactly 2 minutes left, on the 50 yard line, he elects to go for it on 4th and 1 rather than punt and pin them deep. Not that I necessarily think it was a bad decision, but if the Pats lose that will be second guessed all day, especially because it mean SD only needs one first down to get into field goal range to tie it.

Yeah, dumb call with the lead. Even if he gets it, he’s not a “genius” it’s still a dumb call.

I don’t know what the Charger’s time out situation was. if they were out, a first down wins the game, and if I’m Bill I trust my offense more than my D.

Basically the same decision he made last year against the Colts. Didn’t agree with it then, don’t agree with it now. Plus, I hate the Patriots almost as much as I hate the Steelers.

exactly my thought, although this one is more defensible, since it was at midfield instead of deep in his own territory.

holy crap they must have missed the FG after getting it to the 27.

Hit off the upright.

booinngg….

After a false start penalty which moved them back 5 yards and make it a 50-yard kick instead of 45.

Norv really has that team imploding. They had two different fumbles yesterday where a receiver left a live ball on the ground and walked away. TWO!

Hahahaha, your missing Nate Keading now, SD.

The AFC West standings seem upside down to me.

The AFC North standings seem upside down to me.

aren’t we ahead of the Bengals right now?

Nope.

oh right, today was their bye right?

No, they lost to Atlanta today. They had their bye before though.

Pathetic, I know, but this was like the best sports weekend for me in years.

Ha, I was thinking of you at the end of the Mizzou game last night. What a victory for you guys, and more chaos at the top of the rankings.

Gotta love it. If Mizzou beats Nebraska on the road this week, they better be in the BCS discussion or else I quit.

They’re sixth right now, which seems about right. Computers have them ranked very highly, so if they need to move up in the human polls if they want to move higher. You’re going to need to start rooting hard for MSU, Oregon, and Auburn to lose.

Beating Nebraska is going to be difficult, though. I doubt Mizzou makes it through their schedule undefeated but you never know. You guys at least have a really good chance of making a BCS game as long as you don’t lose more than once.

OSU is 11, which sounds about right.

Doesn’t sound right that we moved down from last week though, who jumped us? Mizzou? If so, that seems better.

I think it was Mizzou and that’s why.

Texas beat Nebraska. It’s certainly possible.

Actually, I’m quite surprised that the computers have them ranked so high consdering that they hadn’t beaten a really good team until the Oklahoma game. Illinois and Texas A&M are decent, but that’s about it.

Auburn has the best resume right now. They’ve beaten 4 top 25 teams. Oregon and Auburn are definitely the top 2 teams right now, in my opinion, and that’s how the BCS has them.

I think I usually prefer the computer rankings over what other people think. It’s harder to argue with a computer.

I agree. People complain about computer rankings all the time, but the human polls are full of bias and ignorance (mostly ignorance). The problem with the computer rankings is that they’re not allowed to take margin of victory in to account, which is why LSU was ranked #1 in many of them last week when they clearly weren’t the best team in the country.

I wasn’t aware of the margin of victory thing. In the end the BCS still sucks.

Used to be

If I remember right, margin of victory WAS part of the BCS equation. They chose to do away with it, because for the sake of sportsmanship, teams were running up the score to help their BCS rankings.

JDfromCLE - October 24, 2010 reply

margin of victory is a tricky one. i understand the allure, but if you have a dominant defense and a so so offense you shouldn’t be excluded from the top of the rankings.

But if you have a dominant defense then you should still have a good margin of victory most of the time because you’re not giving up many points. How would the margin of victory be any different than a team who has a dominant offense but a so-so defense?

56-20 isn’t necessarily a “better” victory than 14-0.

We weren’t talking about the 14-0 victories though. It’s the the BS 14-16 victories that LSU managed to pull out against not so good teams.

I think that after a limit of, say, 20 points, margin of victory is irrelevent. But there is certainly a difference between beating a team by 14 points and 2 points and that should be recognized.

fair enough. but i think you’ve just illustrated some of the pitfalls of margin of victory … your cutoff may be 20 points, but ask 50 people and you’ll get 50 answers, right?

Not necessarily. I think we can all agree that a 20 point victory is more impressive than a 3 point victory, and there are ways to create the programs so that the importance of the margin decreases as the margin gets larger. So it doesn’t really matter what the exact cutoff is — if there is one — but that there is some element to margin of victory involved.

The computer rankings had it before the coaches made them take it out a few years ago, so it’s not like they haven’t figured out a way to do it already.

Do you know why they took it out? It seems like what you’re saying would make more sense than not having it at all.

The coaches didn’t want teams running up the score.

right … the spurrier rule

Agreed that the vagueness of margin of victory doesn’t mean it is worthless.

There is such a thing as a man with a full head of hair and a man that is bald. Take a man with a full head of hair, remove one hair at a time, and eventually you will end up with a bald man. But when? There is no correct answer.

That said, I am not in favor of margin of victory factoring into the BCS.

When you’ve removed all the hair, duh.

LOOPHOLE!

He’s definitely bald before that.

It was a joke.

my bald head hurts trying to wrap itself around this riddle.

Also, the human rankings are almost entirely based on really dumb pre-season rankings. (Really dumb that they do them at all, and really dumb that it basically decides who has a shot and who doesn’t before any games.)

the human rankings get better toward the end of the season when they mean something. Everyone knows that don’t mean jack shit right now.

I think that voters are getting better at moving teams up and down in the rankings during the season, but your point still stands.

Just a god awful system. The absolute worst ever. Since mankind could use tools, this is the worst thing we’d ever bring into existence.

No, that would have to go to the Ravens.

Disagree. BCS is worse than the Ravens.

Do I smell butter and syrup?

best delayed reaction LOL of the day.

go easy on it, its really not that terribad. One out of every 3 years we get a little controversy, but lots of times it seems like the #1 and #2 teams are pretty clear cut.

in fairness, it is a LOT better than the old system.

I totally agree. Its like the classic quote about democracy. It sucks, but it is the best system yet invented.

Still not ideal.

If there was a playoff system, there would never be controversy between the #1 and #2 team in the end.

not true. as long as there’s a “hierarchy” of BCS-type conferences and “others” there will always be controversy

That’s why I was hoping when all the merging drama was going on we’d see a couple mega conferences emerge. I think if a couple of the smaller conferences are washed out it would make implementing a playoff system easier.

good point. although there would always be the controversies over the last couple of spots, which in an 8-team format would be much more meaningful than, say, the 65th team into the ncaa tourney.

There would, but it’s less of a controversy than the rankings determining which 2 teams are the best and pinning them against each other.

This. Also, a college football playoff would be the greatest most entertaining event ever.

But yeah, the champion would beat 4 very high ranked teams, 4 weeks in a row. They’d deserve everything.

It certainly would be entertaining. I guess there is more money to be made in the Bowl Series though.

Have both.

Yeah that’s what I don’t get. Make the bowl games, the playoff games for the “championship tourney or whatever you want to call it” and then keep the other bowls for the teams that don’t make the playoffs.

but there would be controversy about who was #8 and who was #9 every single year. (or whatever the last team to get in the playoff would be). at least a good number of the voters have seen a good chunk of the #1 and #2 teams’ games. The #7 and #8 teams don’t get that kind of exposure.

Really, guys, let’s not start another long discussion on this again. We already did that on here not too long ago so we don’t need to rehash that subject.

We’ve talked about it once, we shall never talk about it again.

Did you really have to mock my comment?

I guess I didn’t have to.

The realistic chances of which ever bubble team didn’t make it winning 4 games in succession verses 4 of the hardest opponents they’ll play all year is so little that it won’t matter whatsoever. Playoff is still far more logical.

Nice try though, well not really.

I’m not saying that the playoff isn’t a good idea, I’m just pointing out that the playoff system wouldn’t solve the BCS controversy.

Yes it would.

If you make it through the playoffs and win the championship, there is no controversy. You are the clear cut champion.

I’m saying that at the end of the season there will still be debate as to who is the last team in and who is shut out. You still might be denying a good team a shot at the title. Yes any team that wins a playoff would be deserving i understand that but there still would be debate and such at the end of the regular season.

once more … agreed.

I just think we’d be better off with this debate than a debate between #2 and 3.

I also don’t think we should have a BCS system to determine it, though. I’d rather see a format more like the NFL has. A few megaconferences and we could do that.

My point is that their complaints would fall of deaf ears, and rightly so.

Whoever wins it all is the real champ, that’s all that matters when the smoke of a playoff would clear, not who was 8 and who just missed.

you are making the exact same argument as the BCS, except you’re arguing the #9 team has no argument instead of the #3 team. why is the ninth teams argument less viable?

I’d say that the rankings don’t determine the final outcome though. After they are ranked 1-8, they have to play through the finals. The BCS determines 1 and 2 and thats final. At least the #8 team could play in a championship game.

Due to likelihood.

Of course the “ninth team” argument is less important to crowing a championship than the “third team” argument. The farther down you get, the less significant it is. But obviously there’s no clear cutoff between important and unimportant.

oops, “crowning”

To be honest with you, I think college football is better off the way it is right now with the bcs controversy and the regular season that feels like the playoffs. There is so much riding on every game it creates more urgency.

this is not crazy.

HA! A 12-13 week playoff based on pre-season rankings that are voted on before a single game is played, at the college level?

this is crazy.

but if a team couldn’t survive for 13 weeks, they have no argument right? any team that goes undefeated through that deserves to be champions, right? nobody else has a legitimate argument, right?

Boise State.

Faces complete garbage 96% of the season. Their are high school teams that could handle the teams that Boise State beats on a regular basis.

Exactly.

Thats not true. The Wac isn’t a big boy conference but you shouldn’t make so light of it. Boise state has done all it can: It is moving to a new conference next season and it has scheduled the toughest Out of conference games that it could (there are plenty of big teams that wouldn’t schedule them because they didn’t want to go to bronco stadium and get beat.)

Unfortunately they are jumping to the MWC.

Woopee.

Current MWC Teams

TCU, Utah, San Diego State, Air Force, BYU, UNLV, Colorado State, New Mexico, and Wyoming

JDfromCLE - October 24, 2010 reply

Is this suppose to be a step up? Or do they just plan to beat up on a new conference.

JDfromCLE - October 24, 2010 reply

Yes, you should make light of it. The WAC is a joke.

The WAC is wack.

I’m an NMSU alum, they may get kicked out of the WAC because their attendance at home games is so bad. Getting kicked out of the WAC, that’s laughable.

I’ll tell you who I’m excited to see next year. Utah. The Pac-12 is going to be intense, as the Pac-10 already is.

And you know this for sure because of the Oklahoma game?

No 4 weeks in a row of this “13-week” playoff that is the current system will ever reach the level of difficulty that the real playoff would.

I completely disagree. these teams know they have to go undefeated. they really do treat every game like a playoff game.

Right Simmsinns. A lot of teams can go through the season undefeated. Only one can go through the playoffs undefeated.

how often are there 3 division 1 teams that are undefeated at the end of the year?

I’m not trying to argue that a playoff isn’t better, it is. But to act like a playoff gets rid of any controversy is nuts.

And I would rather have a controversy between the 8 and 9 school than the 2 and 3 school.

Like I said, the BCS is the end all. If you are ranked 2, you play for the title. If you’re 3, you don’t. A playoff system would give 8 teams a chance to play for the title, not 2.

I want to honestly apologize, but on my monitor all of this for the past half hour has only been 2 inches wide.

It’s absolutely terrible to try and read.

I’m not conceding defeat, though. A college football playoff being the much much better option is something I will not change my mid on. I will never be convinced that the BCS system is in anyway equivalent either.

Sorry I don’t want to continue this 2 inches at a time.

All I’m arguing is that the “controversy” won’t matter at all to me.

until whatever team you root for finishes 9th.

Ha!

It happens, and the possibility is always there.

What also happens is multiple 1 loss teams are in the top 5.

what if teams 1-10 are one loss teams?

I’ve given this answer 3 or 4 times now.

well you’ll have to excuse me missing then, and either point me to it or repeat it.

Yes, there will be controversy between the 8 and 9 team, but you are still giving 8 teams a chance to compete for the title rather than the 2 we give now.

I never argued against that. Simmsinns was arguing that there would be no controversy, which I don’t think is true. Of course 8 is better than 2, but we shouldn’t pretend that solves the problem.

I’ve said there would still be some controversy but it’s better than what we have now. Sorry for the misunderstanding.

Wrong, I argued that the controversy didn’t matter.

you never said why though.

Yes I did, negligible.

Seriously though, this 2 inches wide thing is freaking annoying.

Brett Favre agrees.

Hoe do you pick #1 and #2 from that?

How*

Point being, you only give yourself a wider net to cast to find the best team in the nation.

my point is only that you have to cut it off somewhere, and no matter where you make that cut there are going to be teams left out that have a legitimate argument for being included.

My point is that less of those teams is better than more of those teams.

I agree. I was never arguing against that. the only reason I got involved was because Simmsinns said moving to a playoff eliminated all controversy, which obviously isn’t true.

Fair.

if that happens, i’ll eat my hat

not really an acceptable contingency plan in most cases…

which is why i don’t wear hats

But I am guessing the odds of having no 0-loss teams and 3 1-loss teams are a lot greater than having no 0-loss teams and 10 1-loss teams

End the debate: win all your games.

The same can’t be said for this system.

Again, it wouldn’t be ideal, but it would be better than the current system. And that’s the best argument for the current system’s existence (that it is better than the previous system).

let’s do a real accounting, though … how many “controversial” title games have there really been in 13 (13?) years of the BCS?

auburn not getting a shot the year that usc torched oklahoma springs immediately to mind … what else?

I’m sure most people would argue there have been a couple instances where Boise St. or TCU deserved a shot, but I won’t.

In my mind, any time you have an undefeated team not get a chance is a problem. DOn’t care which conference

Mine too. That is what I would change about the current system; make sure all but one team has lost at least one game.

ok. i’m not sure i agree, but how many times has that happened? that same auburn team, 2 boise teams, tulane (?), utah …

a playoff would be better. that is not my point. my point is similar to NTN’s that a playoff would not eliminate controversy, and it’s not as though the BCS has failed college football miserably thus far.

It is better than the previous system. A new system could/would be better than the current system. I see no reason to stay where we are.

Oklahoma vs. Texas vs. Texas Tech was a pretty big deal. It wasn’t for the Nat’l Championship, but it was for the Big 12 Championship in which Oklahoma went on to the Nat’l Championship.

I believe that was the case.

But that was a conference problem, not a BCS problem.

Boise?
A 2-loss OSU team facing LSU instead of someone else?
Depends on what you mean by “controversial”

You mean a 1-loss OSU facing a 2-loss LSU.

Sure. It still seemed like we backed our way into that game.

While I would prefer playoffs, you will still hear the complaints.

“Oh well my team could have beat (insert team here).”

Just like we have now.

But they won’t matter at all in a playoff system.

they’ll matter the first time an 8 seed wins. then you will have team 9 up in arms.

First of all, if 8 seed wins it all (beating 4 insanely good teams in a row) then 9 can shut the hell up. Still doesn’t matter. 8 deserves it all.

I don’t understand your logic here. The number 9 team would say they were capable of the same thing, and they would have an argument.

No they wouldn’t. The likely hood that a team that couldn’t even make the playoffs outright could beat those teams at that level 4 weeks in row is so little that it’s negligible.

.9999…. repeating eventually = 1.

you’re missing the point. the point is the difference between that 8th team and 9th team is so little it’s negligible. So why let one team in and not the other?

totally agree with you.

Because you have to draw a line somewhere?

I know that. I’m agreeing that a playoff is better. I am disagreeing that it gets rid of all controversy.

Why can an 8 seed do that but not a 9 seed?

In reality neither would.

tell that to butler…

Butler won a college football national champion ship as an 8 seed in a 16-team playoff?

Well I’ll be damned.

I’m not too upset with the current setup, but if they go to a playoff, I actually think 16 teams is the right number. Can you imagine the excitement for those 15 games? And does #16 beat #1 once a decade?

yes they would. the top few teams in college football are too evenly matched for there not to be an upset.

yeah in college football upsets happen all the time. You said it yourself the BCS rankings are kind of bogus. Ask Michigan about App. State or Virginia Tech about james madison.

9 and 3….who cares about 9?

Apparently a lot of people

Disagree. Someone programmed the computer, didn’t they? The computer’s equations can always be flawed.

Auburn definitely has the best Resume.

Michigan State’s isn’t bad either and if they beat Iowa, that just makes their resume that much better.

Michigan St. beat Michigan, too.

and they beat wisconsin who beat ohio state.

Right. So you could argue Michigan St. has the best resume.

Transitive property does not apply to sports.

yeah. I said their resume isn’t bad, referring to the fact that they beat a top 25 team in wisconsin who has one loss, and a michigan team who is top 25 in the coaches poll.

One thing I will point out about the BCS….5 of the computer polls have Missouri either 1 or 2. It’s the damn humans keeping them as low as 6th.

That’s because they started out lower. If they keep winning then it will work itself out in the end.

You should quit anyway. The current system is a complete and total joke, just plain awful, one of the biggest disasters year and year in the history of sporting events.

I kind of agree, but in the current set-up, Missouri may not get a better chance than this year. A non-traditional power program has a huge uphill battle in making a claim for title game.

Very true.

I have quit. I can honestly say that I do not give a shit about college football. Not anymore I don’t. Haven’t watched one game this year.

I care about Clemson and OSU. That’s it. And I’ll just be happy if Clemson wins any bowl game.

I watch, but both PSU and UT have eliminated themselves from any sort of title contention so I could care less about rankings.

that’s too bad, b/c college football is awesome, and it’s the administrators, not the games, that are screwing it up. the bcs may stink, but college football is still boss.

I don’t blame you one bit. I wish I could say the same thing. I feel like a hypocrite when I condemn the worst thing to happen in sports ever then help to write paychecks by giving them ratings… but several games are entertaining, and I’m emotionally invested in the Buckeyes.

Haven’t we already had this discussion before? Quite recently, I believe.

I think I missed it, or I have a terrible memory, or both. It’s something I’m passionate about so I’m surprised I honestly don’t remember.

We had a very large discussion about the BCS within the past couple months, probably at the start of football season. Don’t remember if you were involved or not.

I just don’t want to start another 200+ comment subthread about the same topic again and take over this post with an off-topic discussion.

I’ve seen 200 comment sub-threads about musical tastes, and you don’t want to talk about the BCS? At least it’s football related.

It’s more the fact that we’ve already had the discussion not too long again. No reason to hear the same arguments again.

Damn, 200 comments? Only takes like 3 or 4 to realize it’s the worst thing in all of sports.

The worst thing in all of sports has to be the salary system in major league baseball: Between salary arbitration and the inequality of the clubs’ ability to draw revenue, baseball doesn’t even appeal to me anymore.

But baseball is a pretty boring sport anyway, thus the awful salary systems importance pales in comparison.

I disagree, i love watching baseball. the long season kinda sucks since it diminishes the importance of every game. However, playoff baseball is delightful to watch. Being on the edge of my seat for every indians game during that 2007 run was one of the best spectator experiences of my life.

Haven’t watched one game of the playoffs and don’t care who wins the WS.

However, I am going to try to get MLBTV this summer.

Yeah as much as I like baseball, I really didn’t get into it much this year since the indians were out of it well before the all star break. You’ve got to have a rooting interest or it does get boring. Slow paced game and getting slower every year.

Go Rangers!

Meh, I watch the Indians when playoff time comes around, but I don’t really enjoy watching the sport much at all.

so, that is a much more flawed system but it isn’t as “flawed” in your mind because you don’t give a crap about baseball anyways?

Exactly.

thats a pretty stupid way of arguing things. a system is flawed the same regardless of how much you care about it.

Just because I don’t care about something doesn’t mean it is less flawed than it is.

Hahaha.

what…

so logic is funny to you now? oh wait, it must be because your thought process is highly illogical.

That’s it.

agreed.

I was thinking about him too! I was like “Dorn will be happy!”

I am grateful that you all thought of me. I do find it mildly amusing that when you thought of me, it was my fake internet user name.

I thought this was your real internet user name.

That’s a valid point, but my real internet user name is mooncamping.

haha that would be so awesome.

I thought of it because when mooncamping was first lurking in these parts we were all convinced that he was a sock puppet for someone, and I was accused at one point. I think it’s clear I don’t possess the creative genius to come up with his material.

Buuuuuuh!!

Well I don’t know your real name haha.

How do we know Emily is your real name?

Because it is.

Touche.

I’d also assume you were born May 22 correct?

Yup.

Hm, June 23 for me.

my real name is bross

09 is in fact my last name. I come from a long line of numbers.

Your name is Brad. Just like BB…

fine…

I thought it was pretty clear that it was a joke…

You seriously thought I was thinking your name on your birth certificate was bross 09?

Wow.

No. I thought you could at least tell it was a joke and not respond with a stupid comment that takes a joke seriously.

yea, I know it just strikes me as funny

You’re really the only Mizzou fan that I know.

I actually thought of your fake internet profile picture

Mizzou looked very good.

How could this top winning the Arch Rivalry?!

Haha, I was at that game. Not nearly the same feeling. I blame it on holding the game indoors.

I blame it on the fact that Illinois has only made one game close in the history of the “rivalry.”

It’s still fun, though.

It’s an odd dynamic though because I have been to about 5 of the basketball games, and we just finally won last year after a string of like 15 losses. Missouri hoops isn’t even bad enough to lose that many in a row.

Wow, the first game of the year I miss due to work and we win arguably our best win since the Steelers loss in ‘09. Go figure. It’s a shame we’re going into a bye week, we could have really used this momentum to challenge the Patriots.

Since I didn’t see the game, maybe some of you can tell me. Does McCoy look confident out there?

Very.

I didn’t like the fact of starting him this year, but I hope he makes me eat my words. I’m pulling for this kid.

Let’s just hope our coaching staff isn’t dumb enough to put Delhomme back in. I feel like Mangini thinks he’s obligated to. Sort of like the Brett Favre fiasco in New York.

I pray they keep Colt in.

We should all do the same.

I thought of that. Honestly, I think Delhomme is a pretty humble guy. I don’t think he’ll pull an Anderson if things don’t go his way.

I think it has nothing to do with Delhomme’s attitude and everything to do with Big Brother watching Eric Mangini.

Holmgren? Wasn’t he in favor of putting Colt in anyway?

He didn’t want Colt to play at all this season. It took A Series of Unfortunate Events for Colt to play.

Shows what I know lol. Even if Delhomme is put in, something tells me that ankle will be bothersome for the rest of the year.

is it just me, or does hillis’ forearm looks unnaturally thin in the picture?

Well when you compare them to his biceps…

It’d be awesome if Mangini just came out and said “Colt is our starter next game.”

He’ll keep quiet about it for a week and a half.

Wow. They were talking about Jen Sterger during the game, so I Google Imaged her. Just a warning, NSFW.

NSFW?

not safe for work.

apparently, she had her implants removed because “they served their purpose” for her career.

Hahaha hadn’t heard that.

My implants got my foot in the door

They started costing me more work than they were actually getting me, so I knew that they had kind of run their course.

The sad part is that this is the absolute truth.

Hahahah I think its hystarical that sSterger rose to fame after appearing on camera during the 2005 Miami -FSU game and causing Brent Musberger to comment: “1,500 Red-blooded Americans just applied to Florida State”

Haha now that’s funny right there.

I love Musberger.

I prefer Cow burger thank you.

Lame.

I like the memorable game-calls (i.e. Holy Buckeye), but I find his chatter almost unbearable.

Woah.

Is that the chick that got Favre’s sexts?

yes.

Idk what Favre was thinking but she is way out of his league.

With his level of fame and fortune, nobody is out of his league.

(Other than the whole being married thing.)

Miami got screwed. Why is there not more outrage over this?

I’m outraged, if that counts.

We wore ourselves out complaining about the officials last week. This just confirms our suspicions.

I feel like this is a prompt to start another “NFL favors Steelers” debate.

I need to see a replay of this.

http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2010102401/2010/REG7/steelers@dolphins/recap/full-story?module=HP_headlines#tab:watch

Click the “Steelers TD Challenged and Reversed” link.

That’s such bull. Miami clearly had it.

Why do you think? Steelers benefited.

I heard outrage about it on ESPN radio this afternoon and I’m sure we’ll hear much more about it tomorrow.

I posted right at the start of this thread if it counts

Holy crap. Aaron Rodgers with a great TD pass.

I’m watching this IRT: Worlds Most Deadliest Roads show on History channel. People in India are insane.

I’m an Aaron Rogers owner, and a football fan, so I’m watching this MNF on NBC.

I refuse to watch shows on the history channel that have nothing to do with history. this pretty much bans me from watching the history channel.

This. I hate those shows.

seriously? those are some of the best shows on tv. gangland is unreal

This. Love that show.

This. Love that show.

there is history involved in gangland.

I’m sure some of those shows are entertaining, but they should not be on the history channel. the history channel should be about history, or it should change its name.

Ice Road Truckers. Ugh.

It’s been fifteen years since I’ve learned anything from the Learning Channel, and almost as long since Home Box Office had more than a smattering of movies.

Is that what HBO stands for?

I miss when they had movies.

and I won’t watch TLC. I’m not sure if you’re right about HBO, but I remember them having mostly movies as recently as 5 years ago.

You are the wrong one.

like I said, I haven’t had HBO in years, and even then we had all the different HBO variations, so out of maybe 12 channels at least 8 were showing a movie at any given time.

And all of those movies were Braveheart.

Or Independence Day.

When’s the last time MTV played a music video?

This morning on AMTV, but that’s it. And even then AMTV sucks.

don’t watch that much either. MTVU has videos, I watch that on occasion. I used to watch fuse a lot, but it’s gone the way of MTV.

No, fuse is just straight gone.

Fuse was awesome, then Dish pulled the plug. Wtf?

They all suck. If you want to watch music videos go to YouTube, set up a playlist of your favorites in no time, and BAM, best music video channel ever.

thats great and all, but you rarely find new music that way.

try vevo.com

both existing and new music

I’ve actually found more good, new (or at least new to me) music since the advent of Youtube than I ever found on any of the music channels. Outside of the old ‘120 Minutes’ show on Mtv, there’s never really been any good music on any of those channels. Just the same crap that’s on the radio.

I don’t know if you watched fuse maybe 6-10 years ago, but it was different.

also, pandora is great.

That would have either been it’s infancy, or when it was Much Music.

I stopped watching it around 2005 or so. I used to put it on every morning when getting ready for school because they would just have a 3-hour block of music.

I beg to differ, I find all my new music that way.

how? if you’ve got a channel of your favorite music, how does new music enter the picture? I’m genuinely curious.

Just look for it. Great music of all genres that you’ve never heard is all over YouTube. It often doesn’t even require much effort. They screwed up their main music, but I still use it to browse sometimes. They have this VEVO thing too, thousands if not millions of music videos from countless artists.

VEVO is actually a separate entity. they’ve got a partnership w/ youtube as of now, but it’s a separate company w/ a separate website, mission, etc.

but very worth checking out.

DontCallMeJoey - October 26, 2010 reply

I see. I don’t know much about the whole VEVO thing and never actually visited their site, but as an avid YouTube user, I watch a lot of the music videos with their tag.

VEVO sucks.

it’s still on cable I believe. I miss being able to turn it on and know they were going to have music on.

If it’s a good show, why does it matter whether or not it’s about history?

i think we’ve gotten to the point where we can agree that having a 24-hour (fill in subject) network turns out to be pretty stupid, and pretty hard to fill w/ 100% (fill in subject).

that said, i think the history channel does a pretty great job of blending history content (those shows about the revolution and the founding fathers are dope) w/ other shows (i.e. gangland) that a wider audience may find more compelling. gotta stay on air…

If you watched the Nostradamus shows, you met my Step – Grandmother.

I’ve never met anyone on tv.

Scratch that. I met Daisy Duke once.

…

The worst of the worst on History Channel is Monster Quest,

IT’S SO FUNNY!

So much cognitive dissonance, hicks, and terrible use of suspense that ends in pictures of deer.

It should be funny, but it’s not.

They’ve had at least ten episodes on different versions on Bigfoot.

Seems like every time I see it, that is what they are looking for. “Something threw a rock at me and smelled really potent”. Lame…get a picture or shut up.

like I said, Gangland is history. I love Gangland.

I do not love 2012 bullshit, I don’t care about Nostradomus, Bigfoot isn’t real, and the world existed before america.

although those revolutionary war shows are great, if a bit sugar-coated.

Its funny that yahoo news front page said we may have misintepreted the Mayan calendar by anywhere from 50 to 100yrs. The end time could have already came and passed or is 100yrs away. LOL

They have no idea what they are talking about. Its all speculative.

The way they count to is open to debate. Whether the end of the Mayan Calendar would be at year 13.0.0.0 or 20.0.0.0 since we are only at 13.

Most say the date has already passed though.

The whole thing with the Mayan calendar crap is they never viewed it as any sort of end time. as far as they were concerned it was like the year 2000. it was interesting, and marked change, but it wasn’t really a huge deal. The reason the Mayan calendar stops is because they just didn’t bother writing out more of it. I mean, do we have calendars for 2500 laying around?

exactly. pretty much every single thing that is used to prove this is a bunch of mumbo jumbo

I am with you. These shows are total crap and that’s regardless of whether they belong on the History Channel. And don’t even get me started on the paranormal, sit in a building with fake equipment looking for ghosts shit that is popping up all over the place now.

DBN, where we wind up discussing the Browns, MTV, Hitler and everything in between.

Still, I can recall many times where there would be some current cultural show on History and a historical show on A&E at the same time.

JustBob - October 25, 2010 reply

the A&E biography series was great.

It isn’t like they are broadcasting live. It is history.

ha. love the concept of a live history channel feed.

THAT CAN’T HAPPEN THOUGH! THEY AREN’T CALLED THE PRESENT CHANNEL!

If they run it on a 30 second delay it’s not present.

a live history feed? like: this is what’s happening right now? thats called a cable news channel.

i was laughing at the absurdity of it. not the genius.

OT: You ever heard the song “Money To Blow?”

“On records I’m Captain Hook and my new car is Rufio.”

Have no clue what it means, but I thought you’d enjoy it.

Who is this by?

Birdman Feat. Drake & Lil’ Wayne.

It’s Drake’s line.

He’ll always be known as Jimmy, the paralyzed baskeball player, from Degrassi to me.

I never knew this and flipped when I saw him on the show like a month ago.

lukedurra - October 25, 2010 reply

I laughed at this but felt really bad about myself.

Me too, but I’m still laughing.

Aha!

On my playlists.

Haha, glad I added a song to your daily music routine because that line always reminds me of you haha.

Dammit.

Dammit.

Dammit.

Dammit.

Damnit.

fail

The real fail here was breaking the chain with the fail comment.

the n was straight fail. I considered it broken at the n.

I see, well I am still disappoint.

Love me some gangland.

The shows they do have that have something to do with history are usually pretty awful. I’m hooked on Ice Road Truckers, and this new IRT show though. Good stuff.

Don’t the Indian people pass the truckers on a blind corner and crap?

Much worse. People are dying. Insane.

I love Ice Road Truckers. That show is awesome. I don’t really know why it matters what channel it’s on — if it’s a great show then it’s a great show, regardless if it’s on History Channel or Lifetime or PBS or whatever.

I’ve watched the show. I don’t like it.

Well, to him, it’s like if the blue channel was showing red.

Boo fricken’ hoo.

I used to love the history channel, because I love history. It matters to me because the history channel used to show great historical documentaries and biographies. Now they don’t. No other channel is picking that stuff up any time soon. I’ve lost my favorite channel.

I understand it was probably a limited audience, but I miss that old programming. I’m abhorred by the fact that there is a weekly show about Nostradomus predictions on a channel that wants to call itself the history channel.

Hey, my Grandmother is on that show jerk!

That’s great, but Nostradomus’ contribution to history probably deserves about 5 minutes of air time.

nostradamus is a historical figure that a lot of people (rightly or wrongly) take seriously.

i understand what you’re saying, but it seems like cutting off your nose to spite your face if you stop watching the great historical documentaries that still show up on their just b/c they show ice road truckers.

but it seems like cutting off your nose to spite your face if you stop watching the great historical documentaries that still show up on their just b/c they show ice road truckers.

Exactly. That’s like a football fan not watching MNF on ESPN because they don’t like that the network shows poker, which they don’t consider a sport.

I never said that. I only said I don’t watch the other crap. I still watch the history channel

I guess this quote is what made me think that:

this pretty much bans me from watching the history channel.

He then indeed said it.

no, I didn’t.

I refuse to watch shows on the history channel that have nothing to do with history

I said it pretty much bans me from watching it, because I find there are very few shows that show actual history.

I didn’t say you said it; I said that’s the quote that made me think you said it.

I was responding to SB, I understood what you meant.

and can also understand why it would lead you to think that, strongly worded on my part.

I never said that. I still watch the history stuff.

Nobody cared about Nostradomus or took him seriously until Nazi Germany, and even then most people knew it was crap. The only reason he’s still a recognizable name is that people still like to hear that people can tell the future.

still like to hear that people can tell the future.

It’s a tv network Jeffro.

They play what people LIKE to watch. Shocking.

The Man who Saw Tomorrow scared the shit out of me as a kid. Saw that one on HBO, back when they still showed movies.

I love history and watching history shows as well. But I also find Ice Road Truckers very enjoyable, and I don’t see any problem with a channel that shows both. IRT educates me as well, although certainly not as much as documentaries and biographies. But IRT is more interesting to most people, and it makes the channel money which they can use on other programming that you probably would enjoy.

I’m aware that they play what people like. I know they do it because it makes them money. I don’t have to like it.

Its personally not my cup of tea. I have never gotten into it. I like pawn stars better and i am pretty indifferent to that.

Is it History Channel or Discovery that has the Swamp Loggers? I laugh my butt of every time I watch the one guy that goes out with his son looking for logs submerged in water. They are complete idiots that I find fascinating to watch. Very entertaining.

those 2 guys started on Axmen, which is also a great History Channel show.

Axmen is gold.

That’s one I actually haven’t gotten into.

i picked it up about halfway through the first season. i find the characters to be very interesting and entertaining. and it seems amazing to me, as someone who works an office job, that people work that hard and in that dangerous of environments.

working in criminal justice, there is a certain level of danger at times in my job; but those guys are in situations everyday in which they could be violently killed at any given time.

What about Modern Marvels?!

They need to keep up with Discovery, not their fault.

Aren’t they all kind of the same network? I think I’ve seen History channel commercials on Discover and vice versa.

they’ll all owned by the same parent company now I think, but I don’t know how recent that development is.

*they’re

they do feel the same except one is slightly more about history and one is slightly more sciencey.

one is slightly more sciencey.

speaking scientifically, of course.

I was wondering, because one does a logging show, the next one brings up it’s own version.

Modern Marvels is often thick with history.

haha. thats so true. its all about truckers, pawn shop owners, and alligator hunters (or is swamp people on discovery…)

Ha! I watched that the other day (or something similiar). That road over the mountains along side a cliff in buses is NUTS!

I love that truckdrivers in India are paid to drive slowly and carefully so that their cargo gets to where it’s going in one piece, and bus drivers are paid more the faster they get where they’re going. A ton of quikcrete is more valuable than twenty or thirty passengers on a bus.

that fake punt by green bay was almost as cool as ours.

No, not even close.

Damn posers.

While I didn’t see Green Bay’s, I find that hard to believe.

That was a well thrown ball from Flynn.

lol, #88 fell down. If it was Rogers back there I’d be pissed though.

going back to our game: I can’t even begin to convey my disappointment that Reggie Hodges got tackled at the 9. I wanted to see somebody editing a shot of the madden achievement “That Just happened!” into replays of the game.

Glad my shift at work today started at 4 am got to see the 4th qt drive the sealed the game.Colt looks like he has the it factor.Now just need some WR for him to toss to.Love Hills he is a beast.Glad the D was there today.

Hope going forward we keep trying to run the ball and thow off the run.

Brownsfan4ever - October 24, 2010 reply

DAMMIT ROGERS QUIT THROWING INTS

This. PLEASE.

Favre did mentor him…

Anyone else think Childress is terrible? Or am I in the minority?

his nickname is brad clueless

I feel guilty as a huge D-Zas fan, but I love Reggie Hodges.

I want to believe he’s hitting the juice. Dude was outrunning some god players today.

And he’s a punter.

most of these punters or kickers were something else in high school. they’re at least a little athletic and I’m not surprised that some of them are fast or can throw.

How in the hell does his high school days all of a sudden allow him to kick 60 yard punts with 5 second hangtime?

Dude was outrunning some god players today.

your comment had nothing to do with punts.

…so? Punters are notoriously slow.

one thing at a time.
1. so… I don’t know why you brought up punts in your second comment. your first comment wasn’t about punts, my comment wasn’t about punts. where in the world did I say his high school days had anything to do with him punting the ball?

2. Punters in general are notoriously slow. but, as I stated, many of them are much better athletes than you or me, so it doesn’t surprise that a few of them are fast. Also, I’m not so sure punters are notoriously slow so much as notoriously bad tacklers.

I don’t think this is true at all. I’m good friends with a kicker for a D1 college, I’m absolutely certain that they are recruited as kickers and punters right out of high school, then only the elite of those make it to the NFL.

Basically, I’m certain these punters and kickers have been since high school.

for a lot of them, that wasn’t their only position. I know they kicked and punted in high school, but that was rarely their only responsibility.

for instance, I had a coach who kicked for Miami, but he had also been a corner in high school and was our DB coach.

Sepulveda was an LB.

Ohhh, I see what you are saying now. That is very true. I thought you meant that the guys are recruited out of high school as something else then polished into a kicker / punter or something.

…and many were former soccer players; a sport that definitely requires athleticism.

It was a couple of years ago, but the Bills punter Brian Moorman finished second in the NFL’s fastest man competition at the Pro Bowl.

It was awesome.

and then they ran a fake punt w/ him in the actual pro bowl and sean taylor almost vaporized the guy. it was amazing. (and legal)

That guy was a monster, RIP.

that was awesome.

It looked like Moorman got up to say something to him, but as he ran around dazed he thought better of it.

Japanese announcers>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>British ones.

Agreed

Ninja Warrior is fantastic. I could watch that all day long. Its a nice mix of humor and incredible athletic ability.

That show is awesome. I wish people beat it more often, but I guess that makes it all the more exciting when they do.

One of the very few shows I miss now that I have only basic cable. Also Unbeatable Banzukai (sp?). I love that pogo-stick is a club sport in Japan.

that show was also incredible, and very funny. I don’t think its on anymore.

Dude, when G4 puts up a marathon, I’m glued to the couch.

The one thing that po-ed me though, we that on one season they made the cliff hanger impossible and that’s dumb.

he actually went out and congratulated Taylor on the hit.

Yeah i know, but it looked like he was really pissed when he first jumped up, then he stumbled around the sidelines and came back on the field and congratulated him.

it was pretty funny looking.

Dude was outrunning some god players today.

why was Joe Thomas chasing him. that makes no sense.

He didn’t eat all his pancakes before the game

you hate to see a guy lose his job because of injury, but after watching Reggi Hodges juke someone out of their jock today, I can’t bring myself to go back to Zastudil.

Didn’t he also give Sharper a good stiff arm?

He dusted Lance Moore which was just awesome.

He juked the hell out of him.

And right now he is kicking better than Zastudil ever did here.

He is top 5 in the league right now at punts inside the 20 and net average.

PUNTER CONTROVERSY!

No, Hodges all the way.

Zastudil is too fragile and ruined his chance.

agreed. isn’t zastudil older anyway? why not keep the guy who is kicking well and will be around longer?

I’m a big Zastudil fan, and not a big fan of guys who tweet about Jesus; but even I have to admit that Hodges is probably the better option now. He’s been fantastic this year.

Really, you choose your favorite players based in part on religion?…oh, we should probably cut this conversation off now. I don’t want to get into a debate, just think that’s a little strange.

No, I don’t choose my favorite players based on religion.

that’s definitely not what he was saying.

I’m beginning to think the Vikings would be better off with Tavaris Jackson.

They were always better off with him.

Well, not sure how you could argue that about the 2009 season.

How do you know Tavaris couldn’t have done that? You can’t.

Why’d you post a pick of Jenn Sterger and her big meatballs?

Because you can’t disprove “Jenn Sterger and her big meatballs”?

Sublime.

Spidey - October 24, 2010 reply

That is most certainly not true.

Haha, total pick, how was that legal? Oh well.

All I saw was a cb on the ground and a WR running by him to know it was a pick haha.

http://www.dawgsbynature.com/2010/10/23/1769009/mccoy-payds-ruyds-td-int-fum

Contest results have been posted.

I really want the Packers to win this.

I want the Vikings to score so Rogers has to come back out.

Ah true.

I could use a Moss TD.

FN FAVRE

Nope. 1 foot in.

Harvin’s out.

Game over.

that was an unbelievable almost catch. imagine mccarthy needs a new pair of drawers…

YES!!!!!!!!

boo :(

Positives.

We are better than the Viks’ and ’Boys.

Hell yes, that’s a positive!

I’m going to have one helluva week! I’m so pumped right now.

Glass of Bailey’s at midnight to celebrate!

We aren’t better than the Vikings. We have the same record I do believe.

When they are supposed to be Super Bowl bound, we are better.

Yea that makes sense.

StuckInPa - October 25, 2010 reply

have we heard anything about the chain gang guy?

I read that he had some bleeding around his brain. Also, this is his 40th year on the sidelines, so I’m guessing he’s pretty old.

Holy crap, no way!

Damn, I really hope he ends up ok.

Me too.

I can’t find where I read about the bleeding around the brain. Grain of salt.

His name is Al Nastasi, he’s a high school teacher and former college track star. He’s in stable condition in Neuro-ICU.

Fujita has been a beast by the way. Great signing so far.

pleasant surprise, to me. i wasn’t expecting a ton out of him … i knew he was solid, but i didn’t think he’d be this good.

This.

I felt the same way when Vegeta came onto DBZ.

What does the scanner say about his power level?!?!?!?!

IT’S OVER 9000!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Finally got it ;D

Nicely done.

He took a bit to get acclimated but dude’s beast.

If he was faster/younger, I’d be overjoyed. I’ll still take productivity, intelligence, and a healthy amount of impact plays at LB.

Apparently, to SC, Arron Rodger’s winning press conference is not as important as Favre’s losing press conference.

Sounds exactly like SC.

Not near as bad as the Miami Heat roundtable they had on earlier.

Oh, good lord, very glad I didn’t watch that.

Did not watch that.

several more reasons i don’t watch the four letter network…

Why would you inflict that type of punishment on yourself??

I didn’t actually, but was on a Jetblue flight and noticed it flicking through the channels.

Ahh Jetblue. I wish they flew out of Cleveland.

They were showing Aaron’s conference and when Fvre’s started they hurried up and cut it in.

Great game by the Browns

WarWolf - October 25, 2010 reply

Man, you guys must have had a fun day today. That was a fun one to watch.

Mr MaLoR - October 25, 2010 reply

You seem to be growing a soft spot for us. Are you sure you’re ok?

Well if it helps, I still think Cleveland is a pathetic city and franchise. But seeing you guys beat Cinci and cause them to all have suicidal thoughts was amazing and I thank you for that. Add on top of that seeing the defending champs lose because of ints for TD’s, trick plays, fake punts and so on is always enjoyable. Just beat the Steelers next time.

Mr MaLoR - October 25, 2010 reply

I actually think we will, but it won’t matter (week 17)

Way to keep taking shots at the city of Cleveland.

Wasn’t there a TV show made that many consider the greatest of all time about how bad Baltimore is?

and another one about how hot we are?

we even have a song about how we rock.

Just beat the Steelers next time.

They’ll try I’m sure. However it’s far more likely they beat the ravens since the ravens are clearly, clearly an inferior team to the steelers. I wouldn’t expect you to know that though since you’re only in college…and being that young you have no real concept of exactly why your baltimore ravens ‘franchise’ is a piece of sh*t and no one…not even people who actually live in the STD capital of the USA (fact), should root for them.

johnnyphoenix - October 25, 2010 reply

Just saw Brees’s press conference.

“Well, if you take away their defensive scores, we score more than them.”

Dude, don’t embarrass yourself man, just suck it up.

especially since, if it wasn’t for that garbage time TD, that wouldn’t even be true.

davus - October 25, 2010 reply

Exactly.

Yeah, and if he didn’t throw four picks they’d have been in the game. Man up Brees.

That’s cheap.

I lost some respect for him on that line.

context, SB. you’re misrepresenting his statement and sentiments here.

Drew Brees early remarks on the game

We have now had, in those two losses, four touchdowns scored against us where the offense turns the ball over and the defense scores. What is so frustrating is in both of those games if you take those touchdowns away, the defensive touchdowns, we score more points than they do. We outscore them. I guess that’s another thing that’s so frustrating is that I feel like our defense has played very well in both of those games and yet you walk away having it really not even be close when you look at the final score…. All of that stuff you can throw out the window when you don’t execute and you turn the ball over. That’s the frustrating thing at this point is that we are working hard and we have good game plans and we just aren’t executing them.

We’re all doing a little soul searching. We know how good we are and how good we can be. And we’re not doing that right now.

Maybe I’m wrong, that sounds like a guy who knows he got beat, and is disappointed in how he hurt the team. Not at all like he couldn’t admit it.

themadlibs - October 25, 2010 reply

context, SB. you’re misrepresenting his statement and sentiments here.

I’m not, blame SC. But still, regardless he doesn’t need to say that. The way he says it, it sounds snarky.

30 to 17 trumps any and everything Brees could possibly say.

30 to 10 + 7 in garbage time.

Saying that “garbage time” TDs don’t really count has always bothered me. It’s not like Rob Ryan was like, “Oh, if they score here it’s ok.”

StuckInPa - October 25, 2010 reply

Brees looked a lot shorter yesterday, didnt he?

Red-Right-88 - October 25, 2010 reply

The defense does change a lot when you are up 20 with 3 minutes to play.

He was sacrificing stops for time off the clock, it was clear.

no question. garbage time td’s are not as hard earned.

No. Brees is taking all the blame. He’s saying that the defense played great and he cost the team the game. I admire him taking the heat like that.

And I don’t understand everybody acting like he’s doing something wrong. He’s a stand-up dude.

yea, reading too much into it

Sportscenter edited the interview into a sound bite of Brees saying “if you take the defensive touchdowns away, we score more points than they do”. Which completely takes it out of context and changes the meaning.

Thank crappy reporting for the confusion.

Exactly.

The Licensed Pessimist - October 25, 2010 reply

Browns fans have used similar justifications for every close loss this year

Very true

No only the losses where it gave the other team the lead when we were leading.

the Browns had the lead and the control of the game against the Saints for the entire duration of the game against the Saints, and thus makes it a different circumstance.

yeah, the licensed pessimist is just dead up wrong (in a shocking upset) on this one. it’s different to say “we would have won but for one play” than to say “we would have won but for 4 quarters of futility and poor execution.”

apples and bowling balls…

Call him Rocland please.

North Coast Flea - October 26, 2010 reply

ohhhh, this is Rocland?? i was away from here for about a year, and must have missed the metamorphosis. thanks.

DontCallMeJoey - October 26, 2010 reply

Yup.

Of course, all fans do. (Not all fans, I mean some fans for all teams.)

It’s still a big difference when you throw a pick 6 while trying to make something happen since your team is losing, and making a bonehead pick 6 when your team has the lead and you really need to take care of the ball

i guess the formatting deleted my parenthetical identifying Jake as the man blowing a few games by being careless with the ball.

I think he was sucking it up – prolly accepting blame for the defensive TDs on his Ints.

Absolutely right

I just watched the McCoy interview after the game and this really encourages me greatly…

“I think I was really seeing the field. They were throwing a lot of looks at us….but I felt like I was seeing it and reading it well.”

This makes me all warm and fuzzy over the kid.

He is a class guy. If he has the talent – he will make a tremendous “face of the franchise” for years to come. Tremendous work ethic, fantastic football intelligence, uncanny accuracy, and intangibles off the chart. As much as I love Colt, he still was a third round pick with first pick overall intangibles. The reason he wasn´t selected in the first round is because he is shorter than prototype and doesn´t have a gun. Of course you could say the same thing about Brian Sipe. He has always reminded me of Drew Brees – I know that may be wishfule thinking – but getting his first win against Drew only fuels my belief.

the way he talked about seeing all the reads was very encouraging. also, the guy is great at press conferences.

Well, we finally have some depth at QB – I am quite certain we have the best 3rd and 4th string QBs in the league. Not saying much – but a start – and much better than last year. Is there any logic to going back to Seneca or Jake? I think it is safe to say that we are not a playoff team. Seems like Colt is already less error prone than the vets, no WTF throws. Why wouldn´t we just name him the starter and see what we got before next year´s draft? I mean other than the fact that is impossible for Eric to do.

I don’t know, 10-6 makes the playoffs most years.

Agreed, and in all seriousness – we should not rule out the miracle. Between Jake, Seneca, or Colt – who do you think would give us the best chance to pull of the miracle?

that’s hard to answer. colt has looked very poised and ready to lead this team. however, it is still only 2 games, so we have to remain cautiously optimistic.

jake on the other hand has led a team to a super bowl, so we know he can win big games. however, he hasn’t done it in awhile and has looked down right awful as of late.

I don’t think seneca is anything but a solid backup.

my “butch davis gut feeling” says we stick with mccoy and see what he has. finishing 8-1 would be an extreme longshot regardless of who we have at QB. let’s find out if the kid has what it takes to potentially lead us to the playoffs next year; and if he somehow does it this year, he’ll own the city of Cleveland.

These are my thoughts as well. Holmgren said he needed atleast 5 or 6 games to evaluate him. If things continue as they have, we will have a fairly high draft pick. Let’s see if we found our QB or not this year. I am not ready to anoint him the one yet, but he is playing safe, good ball right now. Leave the kid in and lets see what he’s got.

I trust him when he says 5-6 games, but for the fans I doubt it will be clear to any of us what the answer is after the season with regards to Colt.

They need to start selling Orange Colt McCoy 10 gallon foam cowboy hats.

johnnyphoenix - October 25, 2010 reply

this was mostly a joke.

Dez Bryant is way faster than I realized.

Tony Romo has a broken collar bone, out for 8-10 weeks… I also think I heard a stat that the Giants have knocked out 4 QBs so far this season. Damn.

Correction, it’s a fractured clavicle, recovery time TBD.

He’s my DBN fantasy QB so I hope he’s not out too long. I had a chance to win today if him and Roy Williams both had good games but that chance is shot now.

I have Miles Austin, so it better not be long.

He’s my UDBN QB too.

I’m screwed.

Perfect! We play each other next week. LOLOLOL

Kimble_79 - October 26, 2010 reply

I’ll trade you Jay Cutler. If you’re interested let me know.

StuckInPa - October 26, 2010 reply

Well, I guess he has a bye this week.

StuckInPa - October 26, 2010 reply

broken collar bone

fractured clavicle

are these different? or you’re saying the recovery time is different?

one is 8-10 weeks, and the other is an undecided time of 8-10 weeks.

Now some are saying the recovery time could be 4-6 sooo… I don’t know

but yeah, they are basically the same injury.

In human anatomy, the clavicle or collar bone is classified as a long bone that makes up part of the shoulder girdle (pectoral girdle).

I am fairly hog certain they are the same bone.

I can only agree it that quote is from wikipedia.

What other source is there?

rufio - October 26, 2010 reply

only fallible ones.

notthatnoise - October 26, 2010 reply

Now is the collar bone (2 words) the same as the collarbone (1 word)?!

North Coast Flea - October 26, 2010 reply

Is it connected to the neck bone?

Bernie19Kosar - October 26, 2010 reply

… the something’s connected to the red thing, the red thing’s connected to my wristwatch…

The difference is broken and fractured. Fractured can mean he just cracked it, possibly not broken into two pieces. At least that’s what I gathered.

North Coast Flea - October 26, 2010 reply

Someone needs to explain to me why the Giants give Brandon Jacobs carries. Yes, he just had a beastly 30 yard TD run, but I just don’t understand what he does better than Bradshaw.

Bradshaw is one of the best blocking RB’s I have ever seen. For a small dude, he brings it in pass pro.

Give Jacobs carries and extend Bradshaws career? Tiki Barber had to retire after only 9 seasons, might be paranoid.

“had to” is a little strong for tiki’s decision.

DontCallMeJoey - October 26, 2010 reply

Yea, I would always give 2 RBs carries if I had capable guys. Want to keep the better RB fresh for the end of the season and playoffs.

So… how about those Superbowl winning Cowboys? They’re on the verge of going 1-5. Now, I didn’t see that coming but I find it amusing that they’re picked to win the Superbowl all the time before the season and they never come close.

i love when people get upset about lerner being an “absentee” owner … jerry jones is about 180 degrees from an absentee owner, and the cowboys have exactly 1 more playoff win than the reincarnated browns.

Jerry Jones football decisions definitely have a negative impact on that team. He’s not as bad as Al Davis, but he’s not doing any better right now.

The Cowboys could be great with a competent GM.

I don’t want the Cowboys to be great. Let LeBron continue to be pissed.

Their talent level isn’t the issue.

I agree.

Yes, it’s the coaching.

Buckeye Brad - October 26, 2010 reply

I never thought they were a Super Bowl team. There offensive line was, and is, garbage.

True. They waste picks on guys like Dez Bryant, traded a first for Roy Williams, and Felix Jones… all with no o-line.

It was funny to see Cowboys fans ecstatic over the Bryant pick.

He’s a talent, no question, but I do question the pick when you already have Austin, Williams, and Witten to throw to.

I don’t think you can call the Bryant pick wasted right now. If he turns out to be one of the top 3 WR’s in the league then it certainly was not a wasted pick.

Buckeye Brad - October 26, 2010 reply

They don’t have an o-line. Even if he has the ability to become a top 3 receiver, it’s not going to happen on that team with the shape that o-line is in. He has potential, but as Dorn mentioned, they have an amazing receiver in Austin, an all-pro pass catching TE in Witten, and another first wasted on Williams. Then should have drafted a lineman.

Or at least done something to help out the mess that it is.

That was a near perfectly executed onside kick trick play, just got a very unlucky bounce at the last possible second.

Wow, another close one. Makes it even more crazy that Kris Brown has 6 successful onside kicks.

So, after 7 weeks I think the best teams in the NFC are Falcons and Giants.

AFC, Steelers and Titans. The Titans are a gut call.

The NFC Sucks.

Bernie19Kosar - October 26, 2010 reply

The NFC Sucks.

Yup. I’d say the Jets are in the conversation for second, and the Pats have to come into play sometime. But yeah, so far it seems the potential NFC playoff teams are not nearly as good as the potential AFC playoff teams. AFC claims the Super Bowl this year, I think.

The NFC looks terrible this year.

It’s amazing to me that the Giants are in the conversation. The only time I’ve seen them all year was that Sunday night game vs. the Colts. They looked like the ’08 Lions.

golanbatrac - October 26, 2010 reply

They’re 6-1.

*5-2.

Still good for the NFC though.

I’d have to throw our next two opponents into the conversation, Jets and Pats are both really solid.

I actually think both are better than the Titans.

I forgot the Colts as well. Colts are nice

Monsters of the Midway - October 26, 2010 reply

I would have to look who I picked for the NFC, but I believed I called the Championship game as the Titans and somebody.

Kimble_79 - October 26, 2010 reply

I know the Titans have C.J. to lean on but I’m surprised how well they can just plug in Kerry Collins for Vince Young or vice versa and keep winning.

I think they said on PTI yesterday that the top 6 teams in the NFL are all in the AFC, and those 6 teams (Pats, Jets, Steelers, Ravens, Colts, Titans) are a combined 8-0 against the NFC this season.

Buckeye Brad - October 26, 2010 reply

I’d have to agree with that assessment.