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This.

Agreed.

jerehall - October 17, 2010 reply

I hereby move that we don’t use “this” anymore unless the original comment was astoundingly brilliant.

That.

North Coast Flea - October 19, 2010 reply

… and the other.

That.

Hallf of this, I don’t think the season is over.

11-5 is still a great year.

The other big story for the game was how rookie Colt McCoy would do in his debut. Overall, he wasn’t as bad as outsiders projected him to be. He had two interceptions and might have taken off a little too early here and there, but he took some hits and delivered some accurate balls when asked to.

This really undersells just how well he played. He really delivered a great game all things considered, much better than any of us would have any right to have expected. I’m not sure its fair to say we were “picked apart” either. That just has the connotation of us getting totally worked, and I think if you just go back and look at the box score and see that they couldn’t get into the endzone more than twice until we fumbled a punt at the 10 and threw a pick in junk time, than you’ll see our defense was stout.

McCoy played his ass off.

I have a feeling you guys may have found your quarterback.

Fifty-Eight - October 18, 2010 reply

On the bus.. Long ride home…
About 3 minutes ago by Eric Wright Cleveland Browns – Cornerback

I’m almost done with that dude.

Almost? I’m past done. Get his ass off the field – maybe let him play the nickel.

Ok, change that to “done”.

That’s funny, I called for him to get benched 2 weeks ago and got tore a new one for it.

because two weeks ago it wasn’t apparent that it was a trend.

His dads gonna be pissed if he didn’t call and check in with him before tweeting.

BuenosAires_Dawg - October 17, 2010 reply

He’s going to have to work overtime on message boards

I complained when Big Ben got his suspension reduced to 4 games from 6, because that meant we would see him at this game. After watching today’s game, it probably wouldn’t have mattered who their QB was, I don’t see us coming away with a win.

When can we get rid of Eric Wright?

Before this Tuesday, I hope.

That’s garbage. I’m frustrated like everyone else with Wright, but among the DBs, he’s not playing significantly worse that the rest of them.

How about Brown looking completely desperate and resorting to the pass interference? How about fan-favorite TJ Ward and Elam looking completely lost as Roethlisberger launches one 50 yards out of his own endzone?

Doesn’t help either when there actually is good coverage there is absolutely no pass rush and someone ultimately ends up open.

He’s playing bad and he’s in the final year of his contract. We’ve got til Tuesday to get something out of him.

right. this is like a baseball trade. we know he’s not re-signing, we aren’t going to the playoffs this year, so if we can get anything we should.

He can play backup behind Haden. I’m tired of his half ass playing.

I’d give him credit if he actually tried, but he just looks so clueless out there. If Cribbs is injured for a while, let’s put Haden at kick/punt return? He looked good at that interception.

He was out there for kick returns. I’d like to see someone other than Stuckey out there returning punts. He looked scared.

Yeah, maybe he just wasn’t used to getting returns, but Stuckey definitely had the butterfingers today.

where’s Gerard Lawson? we could even use him at corner.

Probably in a county jail somewhere. We cut him during pre-season.

I would not be opposed to bringing Lawson back. Especially if it means we don’t sign Steptoe to a contract.

Little do you know, Steptoe is still on the team.

He is?

The Ghost will never leave.

Haha.

Nice.

No.

Disagree on the first point. Without Ben, this game would have been much different. Two TDs by the Steelers were clearly all Ben’s production.

I think the score would have been closer, but I don’t know how we would have gotten things done when we have Wright being clueless and their defense being solid.

Coming in to this game, I gave the Browns no chance of winning, and much of that was because of Ben. Without Ben, I would have given the Browns a chance to win. You’re telling me that Charlie Batch would have picked apart the Browns? Not even close.

Not dominate, but we still wouldv’e lost is what I’m saying.

one of the TDs was a nice throw by ben, but it was also a bad play by eric wright. if you put dixon or batch in and they even make a worse throw, its still a TD because wright forgot what a football looks like.

I have to agree on this to a degree. I remember at least two plays where Ben held on to the ball forever like he usually does, but got rid of the ball for big plays right before a sack. The bomb out of the end zone he stepped up perfectly and avoided getting sacked to complete the pass. I don’t think any other Steeler QB makes those plays.

I’m really excited about Colt McCoy. Today was his first time he got a regular season NFL snap and it was against the Steelers defense… Here’s a comparison in stats between today’s game and Seneca Wallace’s best game statistically:

Seneca Wallace (@ KC)- 16-31, 229 Yards, 1 TD, 1 INT
Colt McCoy (@ Pit)- 23-33, 281 Yds, 1 TD, 2 INT
Jake Delhomme gets an honorable mention for warming the bench well, but that’s about it.

Ummm… Does anyone else have a question as to who should start under center next week?

Since NFL rules state that a player signed off of another teams practice squad must be active for 3 weeks – I’m sure we’re looking at Colt with Ratliff as the backup for at least the next game. Throw in the bye and we will probably let McCoy start the week after the bye, with DelHomme as his back up and Ratliff as the #3. After that, we’ll see.

What happens to Seneca?

High ankle sprain (same injury as Jake’s) last week. My guess is one of them (whichever rehabs the slowest) hits IR coming out of the bye.

Michael Jay - October 17, 2010 reply

I was thinkin we’d keep ’em active – not IR. Ratliff will probably get cut again.

Much better than expected. He really had poise out there and threw some good balls for a high completion percentage. I felt he possibly could have avoided one sack by stepping up in the pocket instead of stepping back and sometimes tucked it too soon. Still, good effort from the rook.

youth

troy145 - October 18, 2010 reply

By the way… what the hell happened to Jason Trusnik? I don’t hear about him anymore.

Ward happened. He’s making all of the plays on special teams that Trusnik used to make.

I guess thats a quality problem, right?

Yeah, it’s a good thing.

Might be good trade bait now?

Give Trusnik to the team willing to take Wright off our hands?

1. McCoy should be the starting QB for the rest of the season.
2. I think our offence might be a first round WR away from being above average.
3. Our D had big problems in 3rd and long situation. I think that is the big reason we lost the game. At least we are getting good teams in 3rd and long.

The Brown Note - October 17, 2010 reply

Our offense was actually pretty average against the best D in the league AND without our #1/#2 WRs, I think. I’m pretty sure with those pieces AND a 1st round WR, we could have a DAMN GOOD offense.

You'd have a decent offense.

But not right away. You’d still have a very green QB in McCoy….a rookie WR (regardless of what spot you picked him up in, he’d struggle his first year, every WR does, unless they have a very good QB)….and you would need Cribbs to take a backseat in the Wildcat. Trick plays like that just don’t work effectively long term.

So if you draft a good piece or two on offense, you’ll have a decent offense in 2 to 3 years.

Fifty-Eight - October 18, 2010 reply

I’ve seen 5 different sets of highlights during my local games (I live in Atlanta, never get to see the Browns save last week’s loss to the Falcons) and NOBODY even mentioned that we lost two players to helmet to helmet hits. Meanwhile, they’ve been showing the gruesome hit DeSean Jackson took over and over again.

I really feel for Rob Ryan. He just doesn’t seem to have the personal to do what he wants to do defensively.

Michael Jay - October 17, 2010 reply

a hit that might have been borderline

It WAS borderline and should receive a fine simply because it was such as clear helmet-to-helmet hit. Even the kind folks at BTSC saw it as such.

Which hit?

More of a semantic point, but I was referring to the hit to Cribbs. It was “borderline” – some might see it as okay, and others as improperly leading with the helmet. (That’s the definition of borderline).

I think he should be fined. I wouldn’t call it a dirty hit, but the way Goodell is handing out fines, the Cribbs hit certainly deserves one. But, I’m not looking to argue that point (because it was a “borderline” hit…)

Nope

its called a tackle, it is allowed in Tackle football

there is a tackle, then there is using your head as a battering ram. they are not synonymous.

Actually they are

just ask TJ ward

Be honest, but if you watch the Ward hit on Shipley you are telling me he did not lead with his shoulder?

nope.

TJ ward did not lead with his head.

TJ Ward did not use his head as a battering ram.

Check out my profile pic and tell me he led with his helmet.

If James Harrison did

than TJ did

Which is why we want both plays to be flagged. Only 1 was flagged. Do you get why we are complaining?

actually

There was a flag on the Mo Mass hit. It was on Alex Mack for delay of game, when he kicked the ball out of bounds thinking there may have been a fumble on the play.

JDfromCLE - October 17, 2010 reply

That’s not the flag we’re talking about.

What? That’s just ignorant. Harrison launched in head first, Ward did not.

How are facts ignorant

you did look your profile picture right

What was a fact?

That is Harrison's hit is dirty than TJ's hit is as well

which is something you guys don’t want to admit

You’re just extremely ignorant about TJ’s hit. You don’t know what you’re trying to argue.

If you read closer, most of us just want the same standard applied by the officials, which is to flag the play or don’t.

I personally think the rules are stupid, and wouldn’t be upset if all 3 of those were non-calls.

and lets assume this is the case:

TJ ward got a 15 yard penalty for it and a 15k fine.

Harrison got no penalty for either.

and he shouldn't

Its called Tackle Football for a reason, that reason is to not try to take someone’s head off. Which Harrison didn’t do with either of those hits

NTFL. National Tackle Football League.

Thanks for stopping by, you can go now.

That makes no sense. You say the hits are the same between Harrison and Ward, yet Harrison doesn’t deserve a fine. You’re just biased.

1. I disagree with you that he didn’t try to take Massaquoi’s head off

2. and TJ Ward should?

you are missing the point repeatedly here. many people on this site have no problem with the hit. the argument they have is that the rule isn’t being applied consistently. if they are going to hand out a 15 yd penalty and 15k fine to ward, Harrison should get the same, or it is a clear act of bias.

Then holding should be enforced across the board as well.

Which would put a great many QB’s in danger of getting crushed by Harrison. Oh…but it’s ok to hold the former NFL Defensive Player of the Year. Evens the playing field?

YOu want “enforced consistently,” start there. Then we can talk about the other crap.

Fifty-Eight - October 18, 2010 reply

There’s a difference between enforcing holding and enforcing helmet to helmet blows that leave the recipient concussed and unconscious. If you can’t see the difference, then you are a typical Steelers fan.

woodsmeister - October 18, 2010 reply

well thought out comment until you had to sling mud. but he’s the troll, right?

Typical Steelers fans always change the topic when confronted with anything wrong the Steelers might be perceived to do wrong; therefore, he is a typical Steelers fan. That’s how they roll. They always need to believe that somehow they’re being kept back by the man in order to excuse their viciousness in flouting the rules.

woodsmeister - October 19, 2010 reply

just like I could say Browns fans always need to feel like fans of more successful teams are slobs and idiots so that they can feel a little bit better about rooting for cellar dwellers? they always need to feel like their fandom is known and is much more superior to yours, because your team doesn’t suck.

Then apparently I'm not a "typical Steelers fan

I also think holding should be enforced more regularly. But you are kidding yourself if you think people get away with holding harrison more than anyone else.

nice change of subject though.

notthatnoise - October 18, 2010 reply

Wasn’t a change of subject at all. My comment was along the lines of: if you want to talk about that, then let’s talk about this first. “This” was holding penalties. My example was harrison being held. If you think he doesn’t get held any more or less than the average player in the league, you obviously don’t watch much Steeler football.

I have seen Harrison get held.

I have also seen Harrison act like he is being held more than any other player I have seen. I think that helps in the perception that he is being held more than other players.

Bernie19Kosar - October 19, 2010 reply

also, what makes enforcing holding more important than enforcing a rule that exists to keep players safe?

Your comment fails to counter mine. I’m waiting for you or anyone else to tell me why I’m wrong.

notthatnoise - October 19, 2010 reply

you’re correct about this. are you as happy as i am about it?

I didn't ever say "More important"

You did. After the fact.

I believe keeping a player, any player, safe from head injuries, is paramount in importance. You’d be a fool not to place that above a simple holding call.

So, YOU brought in importance, one over the other. I did not. I just alluded to the fact that penalties should be called fairly across the board.

I’m not really waiting for your response on why you’re having a hard time comprehending and then replying to posts.

Umm, Ray Anderson said the officials dropped the ball with Harrison in not making a call. Game over.

Kimble_79 - October 20, 2010 reply

You don't get it.

And it’s all shoulder.

there is some helmet there

The point is, he’s not leading with the helmet. Harrison speared him no question about it. I’m finished with this argument because this will be about the 20th time somebody has had to tell you that if you call Ward you have to call Harrison.

And there was no helmet in either of Harrison’s hits? Go home with your double standards.

You are letting your fanhood (and trollish nature) cloud your judgment.

your love for calling anyone a troll has blinded you. wvpiratesfan is going to be one of the least trollish people to talk to ever. someone that disagrees with you does not a troll make

klompus - October 18, 2010 reply

You would know all about being a troll.

Actually, he does…

Steel Spike - October 18, 2010 reply

the word troll gets thrown around on sbnation blogs and this one in particular way too often. people who are older and really have no sense of the internet term troll throw it around whenever someone invades their frat house style blog and starts saying things they disagree with.

no. we rarely throw troll around here. Trust me, I have been to ravens blogs, cardinals, bengals, and eagles blogs and because I disagreed, I was called a troll there. they react with calling someone a troll much more than DBN.

Maybe that means if you are getting called a troll consistently on DBN that you should take an introspective look at your comments.

North Coast Flea - October 19, 2010 reply

I don’t recall seeing the word troll around here until this week

Villeslgr - October 19, 2010 reply

At the risk of sounding like a turncoat, really?

JustBob - October 19, 2010 reply

I was being semi sarcastic. It really seems like it was used more this past week than it has been the whole season. I don’t even think it was this bad when we played the Ravens.

Villeslgr - October 20, 2010 reply

We only say troll when being trolled. Go to the Chiefs’, Bucs’, or Falcons’ blogs and ask them about our composure. Also ask them if we ever used the word troll while they were here.

yeah. they were mature and level headed. they had mad respect for us and honestly, I had mad respect for the chiefs and falcons guys.

I disagree with you wholeheartedlly.

which, by the norm around here, makes you a troll.

thats just false first of all.

second of all, I did get into a banter with WV Pirates Fan and he came off pretty trollish, ignoring facts and making inflammatory comments.

You call this a good tackle too?

Turkey Jones

Yeah

Mel Blount did that to Cliff Branch once

Just wanted to be clear on that.

Current NFL rules don’t support that, but old school is old school.

Steelers’ fans love to call that hit dirty and headhunting, but what they fail to realize is that even Bradshaw says he never heard a whistle and neither did Jones.

I have this framed and signed by Turkey on my wall (he did spell Steeler wrong when he signed it though).

Nuclear Power - October 18, 2010 reply

I would call it a dirty hit.

-Harrison led with his helmet
-Harrison initiated a helmet to helmet hit while leading with his helmet
-Harrison came from cribbs’ blindside and cribbs was completely ‘defenseless’ in the sense that he had know way to know harrison is coming (like a QB is defenseless on a blindside blitz).

Hell yes its a dirty hit.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/Watch-James-Harrison-destroy-the-heads-of-two-Cl;_ylt=AhB.M.v22S9EJizNL1SCvcFDubYF?urn=nfl-277524

Article on Yahoo about Harrison’s dirty hits. At least SOMEONE noticed:

Michael Jay - October 17, 2010 reply

I’m fine with the hit on Cribbs. It was an accident.

For the Cribbs hit, I guess I am okay with Harrison, but not with the refs. In this day-and-age, all helmet-to-helmet hits like that have gotten a flag. Taken a step further, if the refs had flagged Harrison on that play (as they should have since it was helmet-to-helmet), would Harrison have made the hit on Massa as he did?

At this point, I want to see a battery end up in Harrison’s ear the next time he plays in CBS.

disagree, he had his arms down, clearly leading with his helmet. it was a dirty hit from a dirty player. just one man’s opinion I guess.

I don’t think Cribbs is considered “defenseless” on that hit. Plus it happened to fast for Harrison to do anything.

Yes. Also, Harrison wouldn’t do that to his old teammate. His looked legitimately concerned after he hit him.

Didn’t stop him from laying out Massaquoi.

I think that was a dirty hit though.

Then that makes Harrison a low-down stinkin’ ass dirty player.

Meaning that he feels bad about taking out one of his old teammates, but not bad about taking out one that is not.

No matter if he tried or not on either hit he still should be penalized. It is the standard that the league has set. Look at all the late hits they call on guys hitting QBs a millisecond after releasing a pass when there is no way they can stop themselves in mid-air.

Brownsyup - October 17, 2010 reply

so because they were teammates, that excuses the hit from being dirty?

It explains why he was genuinely concerned after the hit. They were friends and teammates in school, I doubt he hits him like that on purpose because of it.

to me, it didn’t look accidental, but I could be wrong.

try watching it without the orange coloured glasses. Woodley dragged Cribbs down just as Harrison took off to lay the wood and finish the tackle. Unfortunate collision IMO.

took off leading with his helmet. illegal.

Not illegal, I don’t know if you’ve ever tackled somebody, but you lead with your head furthest forward. If the guy moves into the way of that then it is unavoidable.

Helmet to helmet is illegal, take off the piss tinted glasses.

this made me rofl

jaws. - October 17, 2010 reply

Yes. But Harrison should never be leading with his helmet regardless, this is what the NFL is trying to avoid.

Also, the refs should be more consistent on these flags.

dude he becomes a runner at that point

not a QB or a WR, he is fair game.

No, the rule states anyone defenseless. But, regardless, he shouldn’t be leading with his helmet.

I’m done with this covo. It will never end.

Unfortunately some people don’t want to admit that there is a difference between incidental contact and malicious intent.

This I agree with.

And Ward’s hit on Shipley was malicious?

exactly. To me, it is not 100% clear if it was incidental or malicious for the cribbs hit, but I have seen the ward hit 1000+ times and it definitely wasn’t malicious.

Wow, you’ve been busy today.

I agree completely. The combination of the two, plus the added insult of the “delay of game” penalty was infuriating.

9James - October 17, 2010 reply

… and drunk driving deaths are unfortunate accidents too. You lead with the helmet, you should suffer the consequences, even when not intended.

I have only seen it a couple times, but it looks like as he dove for the tackle, he was aiming at the head. Like I said, I could be wrong and its been hours since I saw the hit.

See, Wilcots made a point about that during the game and I just don’t see it. It was a hit to his earhole – where Cribbs could not see Harrison. How is Cribbs not defenseless?

He was running the ball. Simple as that.

So, any guy running the ball is fair game for helmet-to-helmet hits? If this is truly the case, then fine, all guys running the ball are fair game.

Yes, fair game. I watched the play 20 times. It was an accident.

That wasn’t my question. Intent is not what we are judging. Hitting an opposing player helmet-to-helmet is all we are concerned about. My question is whether it is okay to hit another player helmet-to-helmet. Your response seems to say that it is okay in certain circumstances – particularly when a guy gets a concussion.

Dude, it was an accident. Clean hit. I’m not crying about it, you are.

As many others are, too.

I’m not.

My problem with your response is that you didn’t answer my question: which is whether it is within the rules to hit a player carrying the ball helmet-to-helmet. Yes, or no?

Whether you think the NFL is right in instituting the rule, it seems clear to me that these hits are not legal. Right or wrong, this is how the rule reads:

“using any part of a players helmet (including the top/crown and forehead/hairline parts) or facemask to butt, spear, or ram an opponent violently or unnecessarily; although such violent or unnecessary use of the helmet is impermissible against any opponent, game officials will give special attention in administering this rule to protect those players who are in virtually defenseless postures.”

The way I read this is that officials are given a little leeway to miss the call, but the commish has no excuse…

I am arguing if it was malicious or accidental. Not if it’s legal or illegal.

It was illegal and the refs need to be more consistent. HOWEVER, it was accidental.

virtually defenseless postures

they will give special attention to those players, not exclusive attention.

notthatnoise - October 18, 2010 reply

He was running full speed and expecting to hit a pile. Not Cribbs’ ear.

but he did cribbs’ ear.

should we let people get away with things that aren’t against the rules because they didn’t MEAN to do them? Heard of Involuntary Manslaughter?

Heard of Involuntary Manslaughter?

Oh, great. Another patented “Bross brings up something completely irrelevant to football” line. This is sure to start a long, stupid, heated debate.

Only if you pointlessly call him out on it. What he’s saying is correct, if they flag Ward who didn’t hit Shipley’s helmet on purpose, than why the hell didn’t they flag both of Harrison’s hits?

this wouldn’t have gone off topic until you tried to bring it off topic and put it on me.

it is a completely relevant analogy which NCF points out below.

So helmet to helmet is a clean hit?

Personally, I think a helmet to helmet hit is a flag no matter what, and a defenseless player will draw a flag for any hit to the head from the forearm or shoulder. If you take your helmet and hit someone in the earhole that is a penalty. I feel 80% certain that is the rule

i didn’t think defenselessness mattered when the defender leads with his helmet. that’s always illegal.

exactly.

I disagree with this point.

Hits like that need to be eliminated from the game. Hits like that are the reason that careers end early and NFL players spend their retirement years drooling on themselves and confusing mailboxes for their grandchildren.

This made me laugh.

It made me laugh too, but I do think he’s exactly right. I hate it when people say “That’s just football.” This is what’s wrong with football. We should protect the players that are entertaining us.

I think the NFL needs to consistently fine and penalize dangerous behavior, particularly crap like Harrison pulled today. You should tackle by wrapping up — which is more effective anyway — and if you try to cripple somebody, you should be penalized for it.

So. I am now thoroughly on the “Start McCoy for the rest of the season train”. McCoy looked stellar for what was expected and what he had to go against. It took him a drive to get settled but man, I give McCoy a solid B+ for today’s game. The INTs were questionable and Watson should’ve had the first one. I know the plan was to keep McCoy on the sidelines but I loved what he showed today. Who cares if we lost? McCoy looked awesome.

Also, Harrison’s hit on Cribbs was unfortunate but legal. It will be fined due to the severity of it, but Harrison and Cribbs were teammates and friends and I doubt Harrison wanted to bring harm to him. Once again, it was a Shipley case; Cribbs brought his head into Harrison’s way. Now, the hit on MoMass on the other hand…

1. cribbs may have moved his head such that it got hit, but harrison was leading with his helmet.

2. I care that we lost.

Yes, but his head was down before Cribbs moved his head down. It was much more a terrible mistake than a purposeful dirty hit. They were friends at KSU, I doubt Harrison had any intent to crack him in the earhole.

Also, yes I over exaggerated, but still. I loved what I saw.

The problem is that Harrison never – NEVER – should have had his head down… When he leads with his head he himself open to a helmet-to-helmet hit. Isn’t this what the NFL is trying to eliminate (as the Yahoo post is saying)?

It’s like driving drunk – people who get behind the wheel after pounding a few at the bar don’t intend to kill someone in an accident. Leading with the helmet is the same thing… They don’t intend to have a helmet-to-helmet hit, but the odds of it happening are far greater.

Mooncamping is the conductor of that train.

And Real McCoy is the Engineer.

One of these days we’ll just have to accept that Moon knows everything.

He’s like a mad football scientist wizard thing.

Colt had one really bad throw, and that was the second pick. The first was an unfortunate bounce. I was impressed with Colt, and with some tough possession receivers and the O-Line you have the Browns should give the Steelers a tough time in the years to come.

Harrison’s hit was helmet to helmet. It was illegal. The second one I didn’t see a good angle but looked less like leading with his helmet and more like he just jacked him up really hard. However in that position he could be considered defenseless, although he had already moved towards the ball after missing it initially, maybe I’m just not into the whole defenseless receiver rule. My point is I have more problem with the first tackle than the second, and helmet to helmet is illegal.

Phantaskippy - October 17, 2010 reply

Now Phanta, I was talking with another BTSC member about you, how come you just appear, say something sage like, then disappear again?

Also, I disagree on the first hit, from my view it looked like Harrison was aiming to use his right shoulder to deliver the killer blow to the stacked up Cribbs and, after launching into the tackle Cribbs fell towards the deck, causing a helmet to helmet.

He could have been aiming at his feet, but he still hit helmet to helmet

Steelers fans… They just don’t understand that helmet-to-helmet means helmet hits the other helmet. It’s a rather simple concept and clear as day. Harrison’s helmet hit Cribbs’ helmet.

Then again, Steelers fans don’t understand that no-means-no, so what do we expect.

Correction: Steelers’ Starting QBs don’t understand no means no.

Going there.

This is how it’s done kids.

Steelers fans, and the refs. We tend to not like any of the sissification of the game here in Pittsburgh. We want the old Mel Blount era pass defense and leather helmets. . .

That is until Merril Hoge talks about concussions and people remember Mike Webster. Players need to be protected from the game itself. Like Mike Tomlin says, the most violent team wins. Safe football is played on your Xbox. It’s the great paradox of the NFL, how much violence can you have while still protecting your players?

the same argument with the shipley hit where ward led with his shoulder but then shipley ducked so it became a helmet to helmet.

a helmet to helmet is a helmet to helmet and its a personal foul.

I believe under the current rules intention is irrelevant. It just has to hit.

@Brownie on Starting McCoy…
It is just one game but I feel we saw a spark today from Colt. I’m sure he’ll be up and down like all rookies are. Look at Sanchez his first year, Bradford, etc. But what I saw today looked so much better than either Wallace or Delhomme, I mean I haven’t seen that many deep throws all year. Interceptions? There will be plenty I’m sure… especially with our receivers. I’m ready to see the kid start. Let’s get him the reps he needs in a season that really is pretty much a goner as far as playoff go (PLAYOFFS!!! PLAYOFFS???). He is getting good protection and seems to be able to make something happen. If he turns out to be serviceable that solves one of the HUGE problems for this team going forward and the Browns can concentrate on other voids on the team.

Brownsyup - October 17, 2010 reply

I’m not going to anoint him “The One”, but I believe he at least deserves a couple more shots to show us if what we saw today was real or a fluke.

Also, I flipped over Haden’s INT. Man, it got my blood running.

Oh and one more.

Hodges was kicking out of this world today. Too bad the D didn’t step up.

We have one of the best punt coverage units I have ever seen in all my years watching the NFL.

(Special Teams does not equal 1/3 of the game.)

If it did we’d be so awesome.

Adrock2099 - October 17, 2010 reply

What?!? Are you serious?!?

findlaybrownslover - October 17, 2010 reply

not so much the “D” not stepping up, but wright AGAIN!!

right again.

Right, Wright getting beat is now a rite, I write.

Sheldon hasn’t been particularly great either.

No way. He’s blowing too.

He really needs moved to Free Safety.

Especially when he keeps falling down when in coverage.

JDfromCLE - October 17, 2010 reply

That guy really pissed me off.

Steelers fans: Not one person here thinks we lost because of the refs. There is a difference between being mad about 2 of our players going out of the game despite no flags and outright blaming the loss on officiating. We lost to a better team, we are all aware of that.

I gotta give Harrison credit for something: this team did not seem to have a spark once he laid out the hits. maybe its because we lost both cribbs and MoMass but maybe its also partly a psychological aspect.

I noticed that too. But I took it as a kick in the groin by the refs.

Yeah especially after the momass hit (which was absolutely illegal, way less questionable than the cribbs hit) Where Mack kicked the ball out of bounds (beliving it was possibly a live fumble) the refs saw fit to penalize the kick when james harrison is sending our wideouts to the lockerroom one by one. What a crock of shit.

jaws. - October 17, 2010 reply

If you think its a fumble, why do you kick the ball?

So the opposing players don’t grab it. An offensive lineman with alligator arms doesn’t stand a chance against a DB clawing at the ball

you fall on the ball. kicking ball = penalty.

no. kicking the ball while the ball is in play is perfectly legal. he was trying to kick it out of bounds so that the browns would retain possession. I would have liked to have seen him fall on it, but what he did is legal and understandable.

Right. It was a penalty because it was a dead ball. You see punters kick bad snaps out of the back of the end zone.

this isn’t basketball

kick it out of bounds so the other team doesn’t get it. its a tactic that is used A LOT.

Five minutes before Mack got called for that penalty, a Giant did the exact same thing in the New York game. I was watching with a bunch of Giants fan and we were wondering why Mack got a flag in the Cleveland game but the Giants player didn’t. They were even pissed when he kicked the ball because they thought he was going to get a delay of game penalty.

I didn’t realize this…Wow…

Agreed. While I think the outcome of the game would have been dramatically different if Cribbs and MoMass could have kept playing, I don’t think we’d win if we had gotten an extra 15 yards after each of those hits.

But I’d still say that they were illegal hits. I’d also say the TJ Ward hit on Shipley was illegal. Only Harrison’s hit on MoMass looked dirty to me. Definitely looked intentional to me.

Yes, Yes, Yes, Yes!!!

But, I think the 15-yarders might have had some type of impact.

Eh, possibly. I don’t know if it would’ve made an impact to the tune of 11 points, but you never know. It’s possible. Could’ve gone either way.

this is what I think. all illegal hits according to the rule, even the Ward hit. The Cribbs hit is debatable.

I don’t have an issue with the Cribbs hit. Ward smacked Mendenhall helmet to helmet later on.

But on the MoMass hit, that is almost a carbon copy of the Shipley hit. If one is a penalty, the other has to be too. I think the main problem is that the referees all have different ideas of what that “rule” is. It is a horsesh*t rule.

I agree with you. I’m fine with the Cribbs hit.

Not trying to be an ass...

But in respect to being “dramatically” different, they weren’t really doing a ton before they got injured, and given the Steelers body of work, not to mention history against the Browns, I have a hard time thinking “dramatically” would be the word to use. “Different,” most definitely.

Before you flame me…which I don’t care about one way or the other…I like Cribbs game, and have MoMass on a fantasy team…both are good players, and Cribbs has been called a “Steelers Killer” and rightfully so, he’s electric…his hit wasn’t in any way worthy of being flagged, or even fined after the fact. it will be, but ehhh….Mo Mass….hard to look at that and say it was clean. I’d be mad too. But if you want to demonize Harrison, I think that’s wrong. He’s an animal. Pure and simple, a beast, and he plays hard very single play. He even said, he doesn’t want to injure anyone. Just lay a hurt on them. Fair enough.

what they had done to that point isn’t that relevant

a) we lost our #1 WR forcing our #2 to go in the place of the #1.

b) we were shallow at WR and we lost 2 of our 3 best/most productive WRs. That forces a guy like robiskie to face Bryant McFadden instead of Ike taylor or a Chansi stuckey to be covered by Taylor instead of William Gay. when you have less effective WRs facing off against certain CBs, your passing game will inherently be worse.

c) that fumbled punt likely doesn’t happen if cribbs is back there returning punts

d) with the injury, our ability to run the wildcat is gone and we are not as able to keep the D on their toes.

It probably doesn’t result in a win, but it would change the game significantly.

You just agreed with what I said.

And what had happened before that is actually relevant. As an indicator of what’s to come, there wasn’t much happening. Not much to make me think things wold be different, from a results point of view. Stats, score, for sure…but result? I care less about stats. That’s what fantasy ifsfor. Results are what matter.

As far as stats go, even though much of what McCoy did came in garbage time, I thought he showed a lot of promise. I’m hoping you found your QB, it’s been too long that you guys have suffered with mediocrity (or just plain trash) at that position.

Dramatically, specifically, whatever. Split some hairs and move on.

JustBob - October 19, 2010 reply

Hold a decent conversation using reason and not myopia for once and don't try to demean people.

Thank you very much, I will move on. I’m about to be banned in three…..two….one…..

thank you for doing this before shit hit the fan.

If I may call you guys out

you are all upset over James Harrison Tackling people, while you are fine with TJ Ward trying to take Jordan Shipley’s head off. It all makes sense now, its ok as long as it doesn’t happen to a brown

I actually have no problem with any of the hits, but if you are going to call 1, you should call all 3. It’s either bad officiating or a double standard.

Ward didn’t hit with his helmet, you moron.

Ward did hit Shipley’s helmet but led with his shoulder. Like I said, I don’t have a problem with any of the hits, only the differences in call by the officials.

Shoulder to the helmet is not illegal.

The league has left the interpretation of this rule open-ended enough with the “defenseless receiver” which is a joke but makes the hit most likely a flag.

rec for calling the defenseless receiver rule a joke.

It seems to me the more rules they make to stop helmet to helmet hits the more they happen.

Phantaskippy - October 17, 2010 reply

Hafta agree with this. Unless Dorn is happy to see more retired football players shooting their brains out after taking too many concussions.

Though reading Dorn’s comment – he might simply be saying that the wording of the rule is a joke and makes it a joke to enforce properly.

Yes

Agree.

Also would add: the NFL has rules in place RIGHT NOW that state a player should be ejected immediately for H-2-H hits. They do not enforce them. Tell me the last time you saw that enforced. Can’t without looking it up.

Don’t blame the players, or even a team. Blame the NFL. It’s completely and entirely THEIR fault, and now thay’re running around with their hands over their mouths going “Oh my! How could this be?!?” when they are in fact the doofs responsible.

North Coast Flea - October 19, 2010 reply

I agree with almost everything you say here, but a dirty hit is a dirty hit and the hitter is just as much to blame.

I totally agree. they make these rules but don’t have the cojones to enforce them.

His helmet ended up connecting with Shipley’s, which is technically illegal, regardless of the intent.

Really? I’ll have to watch it again.

Even if their helmets hadn’t touched, his shoulder was on his facemask, which is also illegal because he was “defenseless.”

It’s a dumb rule, but there should have been a flag according to the rules.

I agree, and according to the helmet-to-helmet rule, there should have been a flag on Harrison.

If a receiver is defenseless any hit above the shoulders is illegal.

The Defenseless Receiver Rule: Under the old rule, the NFL only looked to eliminate helmet-to-helmet hits on defenseless receivers. Now, it’s going to be tossing flags at shoulder and forearm hits to the head or neck area on a defenseless receiver.

We’re pissed that there wasn’t a flag. Ward was flagged. Harrison was fellated by the announcers.

Not sure what you’re talking about — the announcers were surprised that Harrison didn’t get a flag on the MoMass hit. When they saw the flag on the field that’s what they assumed it was about and were talking about why he deserved a flag for that hit.

No Golan’s right. They kept praising him for it.

I didn’t see it that way.

*hear

You’re right, Brad.

CBS – Harrison hits

Now let’s see the following few minutes of footage for each play.

Go for it.

Unless they continued to talk about it for the next five minutes, I suspect your characterization is wrong. But feel free to provide evidence to the contrary.

No, no, you’re absolutely correct. Solomon Wilcots wasn’t positively giddy about the hit.

I never thought he was giddy about it. I think you’re looking for reasons to criticize the announcers.

Do you think Harlan and Wilcots are unbiased announcers?

I always like to think Wilcots treats us better than most.

I know for a fact that Harlan is a massive Packers fan, but I don’t listen enough to know if he is biased.

They are just bad and lazy. It’s easier to talk about the favorites and teams that have a lot of stories & press. You have to admit that it would take a little more time to find stories and details about Browns players – and once Cribbs was taken out, half the feel-good stories were gone.

In other words, the bias comes from not being very good.

I get that from other announcers, but not from those two. They. Are. Infuriating.

The Steelers make a decent play and they sound like Jim Donovon on mescaline. The Browns make a decent play, their reaction is subdued (unless they’re picking the play apart as they did on Colt’s nice scramble today or on Cribbs return last year)

This.

That.

They were praising McCoy quite a bit today, I thought. And the Steelers were making a bunch of really good plays so of course the announcers are going to be talking about them.

They nearly shit themselves every time Mendenhall picked up 5 yards. McCoy scrambles for 7 yards setting up a third and short (which we converted) and Wilcots chides him for it.

Yes, I did get annoyed when they criticized McCoy for running when I thought it was a smart play, and they did it a couple times. I think they were thinking that because he was a rookie he wasn’t looking down the field long enough, but I thought they were smart plays.

But that was just bad announcing, not a bias against the Browns.

I might think it was a bit biased, but its clear that it was bad announcing on that.

I’ve never thought they were biased. I don’t really think most announcers are biased; many of them are just bad. I don’t see any reason to think they hate the Browns or were rooting against the Browns, if that’s what you’re saying.

Maybe not so much this as they were on Ben’s tip the whole game and every time McCoy made a nice play all they focused on was what he did wrong.

Exactly.

And how loud and obnoxious would they have been had Mendenhall hurdled a Brown? Hillis hurdles Palamalu, and they made mention that he did the same thing last week, but brought all of the enthusiasm to the call that you’d expect from a guy calling a golf match.

No, they said many nice things about McCoy. I know you’re exaggerating, but to say that “every time” McCoy made a good play all they focused on is what he did wrong is not even close to being true. If you really think that then you were just looking for something to complain about and ignoring reality.

Yeah I exaggerated a little about the McCoy stuff, but only a little and that is what is sad. EVERY time someone on the steelers made an average or better play they were out-of-their-seats excited. That is not exaggeration.

Harlan and Wilcots are not good. The way they were talking at the start of the game and in the 1st quarter, you’d think the Steelers had a roster of geniuses and philanthropists.

GoBrowns - October 17, 2010 reply

We don’t? I mean Ben gives dogs to cops, and drinks to thirsty girls. James Harrison would give you his own helmet if he thought you needed it. Hines likes to give defenders a nice vacation. . . the list just goes on and on.

Thirsty underage girls.

and he doesn’t just give them drinks.

Dawg Nuts - October 18, 2010 reply

Define "under age"

For drinking? Yes.
Sex? No.

And why was she in a bar/club anyway?

Not excusing Ben…NOT AT ALL…but she needs to be on her campus playing Uno with her girlfriends, or going to a movie. When she’s 21, she can drink all she wants.

yes, for drinking. Even if they got in with fakes, he still committed a crime (if all reported is accurate) of buying alcohol for a minor.

And why was she in a bar/club anyway?

You don’t have to add your disclaimer. Your point was already implied by your ridiculous question.

Villeslgr - October 19, 2010 reply

Tell me how ridiculous that is if it's your 20 year old daughter.

Put aside that I’m a Steeler fan for a second and listen to yourself. You’re flippin’ ridiculous.

Wow. Watching that hit on Cribbs has really solidified my thinking – cheap hit. Seeing Harrison finish the hit over a body length past Cribbs after leading with his helmet… I just don’t see how you can call that a clean hit when he knowingly led with his helmet. He might not have intended to hit Cribbs’ in the head, but Harrison meant to deliver full impact (no matter where he was aiming) with his helmet.

After watching this, there is no way he was aiming anywhere but Cribbs’ helmet with his own helmet.

The point is if Ward is going to be flagged for it and fined, the same should go for Harrison.

This.

That.

Stop generalizing. If you want to go there, then accept the fact that Pittsburgh is filled with a bunch of rapist lovers (given the reception Ben got).

And THIS guy isn't warned or banned?

Seriously?

TJ Ward hit=/=James Harrison hit.

In both hits, harrison LED with his helmet, whereas in the TJ ward hit, he didn’t. its pretty darn clear in any replay he didn’t.

I don’t think anyone has a problem with the call, because he did make contact with the helmet and it was a helmet to helmet hit. however, calling it on Ward but not on both of harrison’s plays (which were much more serious offenses) is setting a double standard.

I dunno… I think TJ Ward’s hit was fairly similar to Harrison’s hit on Cribbs. There was helmet to helmet contact on both, and I’m not totally sold that either was intentional.

But the hit on MoMass was illegal, dirty, and intentional.

Def. messed up that Harrison didn’t get a flag on either hit, though.

TJ Ward did not lead with his helmet. TJ ward did not make first contact and exert most of his force through helmet to helmet contact.

This is true.

I haven’t been able to find a good clip of the hit on Cribbs, so I haven’t been able to watch it more than what they showed during the game. But it seemed to me like one of their linebackers hit Cribbs and started to bring him down while Harrison was about to put the hit on him. I could see how it could go either way. But I could be wrong- Like I said, I haven’t been able to find a clip of the hit that works on my computer yet.

Lemme be clear- I think that Harrison’s hit on Cribbs was illegal. I just don’t know that I’m ready to say it was intentional and dirty quite yet.

Intent will be debated. In the end, the hit is what it was.

in my mind, leading with the helmet=dirty.

yup.

you are not understanding what we’re saying. I tried to lay this out for you earlier but I’ll give it another go.

Most people here don’t mind hits like that. we just think they should all be penalized the same.

DBN favorite Jason Campbell has 28 yards passing.

Then he throws 2 deep passes to Zach Miller, shut up time

so I’m reading this reply thinking someones being a little harsh with the comment to Roger,,, oh, wait a minute, I get it now.
thanks Rog.

doggrad87 - October 17, 2010 reply

McCoy had a strong showing today, you guys have alot to look forward to with him it seems.

I will be honest, I haven’t been particularly optimistic about McCoy, but he showed me something today. Would like to see what he can do against worse defenses.

The 2 ints aren’t pretty, but 281 yards against that pass rush with Polamalu back there is.

one of the 2 INTs was off his WRs hands and into the defender. the other was a bad decision and its a play that if you played it over and over, would not once again come out as an INT.

McCoy did though almost throw a third pick that was dropped.

but he didn’t. he also could have thrown 2 less INTs. I am just looking at this for development. In reality, a pick is a pick and we should just look at the picks he did throw and he was still solid.

Right.

McCoy also showed progression and improvement during the game – like he was actually learning a thing or two.

It did look like the game slowed down for him in the second half.

He looked better than Quinn ever did. Never had that "what the hell do I do" look.

THIS.

Did he waste a single timeout? I don’t think he did. Quinn and Anderson would burn through all three in the first five minutes of every half.

I remember the O – line wasting one on a sack that could’ve been contained.

As if the timeout would help them on the next play.

Yeah, every time they burnt a timeout, the next play was a delay of game followed by a sack or a turnover or both.

or Romeo deciding to challenge a play after the first timeout was burnt.

I forgot about that. That may have been the saddest moment in franchise history.

I would have been only mildly embarrassed if the challenge were successful.

Is it me, or do we never win challenges?

Mangini's record with challenges was well known before he came to the Browns

Shouldn’t be any surprise there, he makes poor decisions in that regard.

Or the same exact play they were going to run before.

I have no way of proving this, but I doubt I’m wrong.

you’re right, great point.

Yup. And he was throwing like 20 yard passes. BQ rarely attempted those.

I just meant to suggest, if you are going to begin to dissect some of the throws, yes, there’s one INT that really isn’t a bad throw, but there’s also a really bad throw that could have easily been an INT.

Point is, it goes both ways.

yep. it does.

the point isn’t trivial stuff like which one should be and which one shouldn’t.

That’s not trivial. His point is valid — if you’re going to say that one of his picks shouldn’t have counted because it wasn’t his fault, then you should also acknowledge that he threw a ball that should have been picked by the defense but wasn’t. It goes both ways.

it does…but arguing about it is trivial when it comes to analyzing how colt did.

Wasn’t trying to start an argument; my original comment was more an aside. I still think my point is fair, but I agree it’s not worth arguing about for 100 posts.

Arguing about trivialities is pretty much all we do on this site.

Luckily there are a few things in which we all can agree:

1) That Brady Quinn is great.
2) Phil Savage had wonderful drafts.
3) Joe Thomas is merely okay.
4) The defenseless receiver rule.
5) National socialism.

you forgot

6) cops target youngsters.

7) Hitler was the man.

thats true…I guess I just got bored of it for a day and wanted a break…

back to trivialities tomorrow for me.

He wasn’t arguing, he was just pointing it out in reply to your comment in order to show both sides. You’re the one arguing about it. You could have just said “yeah, you’re right, he did throw another one that should have been picked and was his fault.”

and I did acknowledge it, and then tried to end it by saying that its not worth pursuing further and is a trivial matter to discuss

That’s bullcrap. If you really wanted to end it then you wouldn’t have said this:

yep. it does.

the point isn’t trivial stuff like which one should be and which one shouldn’t.

None of that needed to be said. You were just continuing the argument for no good reason.

Both of those lines were supposed to be in blockquotes.

And you are egging him on here Brad.

No, I’m explaining what I mean so that hopefully he doesn’t do it again. He does this often — claims that he’s trying to end an argument yet keeps making comments when none are necessary to keep the argument going. I’m showing him an example of that so that he will hopefully learn from it and change his behavior.

Yeah but responding will keep him going regardless, much like this comment may with you. You may take this as a shot against you but it isn’t, you two both just have the tendency to run with things.

and I don’t care to continue.

You could have just said "yeah, you’re right, he did throw another one that should have been picked and was his fault."

You’re talking to Bross.

Rectified.

this wasn’t necessary and its why people here think that there is a ‘gang mentality’

I would apologize, but I am sure you would just answer me with a 500 word post on why my apology wasn’t on the same level of other apologies you have heard.

Then don’t give him a reason to say things like that.

Even one of your own has an issue with you Kosar....Interesting.

Got to remember the garbage time rule though…

Our D just seems to give up when we have a nice lead in the 4th, look at TB and TN.

This is true which is why I discount the total yardage a bit. That said, it’s still the best defense in the league, and I think we have reason to think he could be a player for us. Still too early to know for sure, but we have no WRs and he still put up a lot of yards.

I don’t mean to sound like I’m ragging on McCoy, he was impressive but his “real” stats were more like 220 – 0 – 2.

Don’t disagree.

I thought his TD looked really good though. He made a play with his feet to bait the linebacker and left Watson open. It was a good play.

Yeah, it was a nice play.

Agree on that, it was one of the few plays where Timmons looked mortal.

I assume Juan thought the had help over the top so went to contain McCoy.

Timmons is a monster, should be in the DPOY running.

Yeah that was sweet.

so ‘garbage time’ doesn’t count the TD he threw, but does count the INT he threw on the next drive?

How about 217-1-1…because that was his stat line before the ‘garbage time’

It’s not really giving up, it is a strategy. Ravens did it last week with Denver. When you have a substantial lead in the 4th quarter, defenses tend to play soft coverage in order to bait the offense into wasting more time. When you are up by 2-3 scores in the 4th, letting the offense get those short gains of 4,5,6 through the air is not always a bad thing. It is just using up more time.

Sounds like an excuse.

It isn’t. I have heard many coaches and players say the exact same thing. When you are winning by a good margin in the 4th quarter, why feel the need to send a crazy blitz every time and play press coverage which highers the risk of getting that 50 yard TD bomb that can put them back in.

I still hate the prevent D!

It works, and hasn’t cost us a game this year, but it bit us in the ass last year.

There is a difference between those two cases though. This game seemed out of reach when you guys started to play softer coverage. Doing that when you are only up by 3 with 2 min left is a bad idea though.

I agree on that, I just get worried when I see all those players away from the LOS. I also believe it makes Deebo angry.

What you got on my 40 homie?

he was still pretty impressive before ‘garbage time’.

I thought McCoy was really damn impressive. Like I said a little farther up, I think you guys found your QB. To do that in your first start, regardless of the opponent, is a good thing. To play that well (not entirely effective, but well) in your first start, which happens to be against the best defense in football? Very good stuff. He’s only going to get better.

yeah. I agree. the steelers have had one of the best defenses so far and I am excited to see what he can do against lesser Ds.

Those were really tight windows today. We have to get some WRs that can get open or we will continue with some INTs.

Agree here, it’s about time for me to get on board with acquiring a WR.

Braylon might come back :P

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Adrock2099 - October 17, 2010 reply

Welcome aboard.

Haha — it’s about time, Rog!

Start from the groud up is my philosophy. Look at the Lions, tons of talented options, but no line and no defense yet. They get gashed in terms of points allowed and one of their QBs might die on the field.

Yeah, I know what you’re saying. But we’ve got a good O-line now so it’s time to get some weapons.

Good WR draft coming up, I am ready.

Yeah, but they score points!

Nice to see him be able to make the tight window throws though.

Tomlinson having a bad week.

Thanks for jinxing him into a TD, I have him in my money league.

Hahahaha. Nice, I’m watching that game too.

I’ve got him in the DBN league. I’ll be complaining about Randy Moss next.

McCoy is your future

What an impressive showing by this rookie! He really is going to be a good one for you. Thanks for the hospitality this week and the good, if not spirited banter. Wish you the best of luck in the rest of the season and until we meet again……….. Here We Go!

Week 17 is closer than you think. :)

Steelers may have a bye clinched at that point, I think that could be a W for us on the schedule.

A less satisfying win then.

All wins against the Steelers are satisfying because they are the Steelers.

They’ll be the only thing standing between us and an 11 win season.

Should McCoy be the starter from here on out or too early to know?

champion64 - October 17, 2010 reply

Starter.

I’m on that train.

No doubt about it.

I’m not completely sold, but wouldn’t mind seeing him again.

We aren’t on a date Golan…

If we ever did go on a date SB, you’d be the bottom.

Damn, you guys waste no time. First date?

It’s DBN Elimidate! Buckeye Brad is a bit of a prude, Mooncamping doesn’t make any sense, bross09 won’t shut up, and SpecialBrownie is a hottie but kind of a dick!

WHO WILL GOLANBATRAC CHOOSE?!

I approve this comment.

This made me laugh pretty hard.

Does he get to give one of us a rose? Or how about a signed Joe Thomas jersey?

I’d give you nothing, and you’d like it.

You’d give us an attitude.

And the clap, heyo.

HEYO!

So you’d be just like my wife!

Just kidding, of course.

rimshot

Now that’s where you’d get the clap!

Woah, I’m Harrison dirty today.

This thread is the 1st one I’ve really been able to laugh while reading all week.

I agree, I laughed a ton and had a blast.

I think I’ll post more often.

Please do.

that was disgusting but funny at the same time.

Rec

This should be green. Well done.

That’s hilarious.

This actually sound like something you’d hear on that old “Blind Date” show.

Did you not notice my date comment?…

I did. I was basically concurring.

Ah.

Ha. Now Rotoworld is praising McCoy after likening him to a lamb getting ready to be slaughtered.

Ha, I saw that.

Colt has a little Brian Sipe air to him.

It’d be nice to get the whole state of Texas behind the Browns if McCoy can be our guy. You should be pretty pumped with his effort.

Lloyd, Austin, and Miller… way to collectively suck at life this week and pretty much ruin my fantasy hopes. 5, 1, and 4 points respectively and I’m down by 3. Opponent still has Reggie Wayne to play.

Freakin’ Lloyd.

On to some Madden. Too bad the Browns suck so much in this game that it’s damn near impossible to win with them.

Who is your guy’s rep for the SBN online franchise?

I’m playing the Steelers but the Titans guy is ignoring my emails/messages.

I’m actually the rep, and I’ve had the same problem with the Chiefs rep.

Uhmmm not to ruin the argument that Harrison is a nice guy and doesn’t want to kill every Browns player with his helmet, but look at his eyes as he chases McCoy…

Yep, those are James Harrison’s eyes. Good call.

All I see is a rookie QB kickin’ some ass.

Kickin’ some ass while getting demolished by a superbowl contender.

I believe we dominated every meaningful stat today.

That was all irrelevant to what I said.

Yes, the Steelers are better than the Browns right now.

Woah, I missed that in yesterday’s paper apparently.

Including cheap shots and missed penalties.

Shut up. He did great for a noob.

you’re doing nothing to diminish the reputation that Steelers fans have of being overbearing when the team is playing well.

You won. We get it. Let us enjoy the fact that our rookie QB had a decent outing.

Way to help prove the point that most of the BTSC douchebags that come over here are trolls.

Actually, I wasn’t trying to be a troll, I was more questioning (probably not in the best way) his use of kicking some ass…

his performance kicked ass. a kick ass performance=/= win. Its a team game.

It was actually a fairly meagre performance for an NFL QB. Good for a rookie against our D. Under the circumstances you can maybe pass it off as kick ass, but just saying he kicked some ass (implying the Steelers ass) I think my comment was justified…

To flatter you, most good QBs play meager games against you guys. If that means McCoy translates to good, he kicked ass for us. After starting against you guys, the sky is the limit now.

I agree, that was my entire point in my last comment. But to say he kicked some ass (which he didn’t) is a false statement, to say, “he looked distinctly average against one of the best defenses of the last decade and the greatest defensive mind in football, which gives me something to look forward to” would be far more truthful.

Fair.

Jack off your defense a little more. You realize our team has virtually zero talent on offense and we still scored a few on you.

jaws. - October 17, 2010 reply

can you really disagree with me?

This defense has the potential to be one of the greatest ever. The best S to ever play the game, the best pass rushing linebackers that I can remember, 2 top tier ILB’s and the best 3-4 DL in the league. Throw in some very good play by Ike Taylor and McFadden and you are looking at an amazing D.

puke.

Where’s golan?

Not that is fellating.

Now*

Wilcots would agree with everything he wrote.

How can you disagree with anything I wrote up there, apart from maybe the Troy being the best S ever, which is of course debatable.

I don’t know whether golan will answer you or not. But if he doesn’t, don’t take it personally. It’s just that your question is really dumb.

Well, that’s just an amazingly witty response. Try making a point instead of just disagreeing with me.

Ronnie Lott was the best S ever IMO

I always remember Lott as a CB, not a S

He was drafted as a CB in ’81, then switched to S in ’85. After the ’85 season he had his pinky amputated so he could still play, and still dominated.

I always thought he got it amputated during a game, or is that a glorification?
I must remember him during his early years though. I think there are a few candidates for best all time.

If I remember right, it got crushed in a game, but wasn’t amputated until after the season.

I agree there are a few candidates for best of all time….I would vote for Lott though hands-down.

I still think it’s Troy, but could possibly choose Krause over him.

yeah. Lot #1, and Tatum #2 on 100 out of 100 times IMO.

At this point, I think Brian Dawkins is the best active Safety, but Polamalu has the potential to be better.

good=/=one of the greatest ever.

But to say he kicked some ass (which he didn’t) is a false statement

nope. Kicking some ass is a subjective statement that is also based on perspective. from the perspective of peyton manning, he sucked. however from the perspective of colt McCoy, he did kick ass.

I am looking at the phrase “kicked some ass” far more literally than you. I compare him to the defense, you compare him to your expectations.

Actually, you are looking at the phrase from the POV of a Steelers fan – if you are going to argue semantics, you gotta think a little more about the house your visiting.

House I’m visiting? I needn’t change what I believe “kicking some ass” is. I term kicking some ass, as dominating someone, not out performing the expectations.

Why are you even bothering with this argument? What is the point?

Your team won. Your team is much better than ours. Just be happy about that, without feeling the need to come here and let us all know how much better your team is than our team.

well, ‘kicking some ass’ is all about perspective IMO. if a D is great and does great (but not up to their expectations), do they kick ass? I don’t think so because in this scenario, they underperformed compared to expectations.

I say our D kicked your O’s ass all day long, yes. You really struggled to do much of anything until garbage time. As evidenced by the scoreboard and stats.

You really struggled to do much of anything until garbage time.

This is exaggerated.

Highly.

I say your D did pretty good, but our O was also good too. the concept of kicking ass IMO is pointless without some sort of perspective.

Good for a rookie against our D

exactly.

Its not kicking ass for most nfl games, but this was a rookie going up against the steelers. thats not ‘most nfl games’.

Rookie QB running for his life with the fear of god in his eyes.

Super Stud.

He’s sooo dreamy!!

He’d look awesome with a Rollie Fingers ’stache.

That pic makes him looks like he has one haha.

That is one hell of an epic stache.

Now that’s what a franchise quarterback should look like.

Diabolical

in-fucking-credible

Now THAT’S a Texas cowboy!!

He should add a cowboy hat in the colors and design of the Browns helmet!

I’m so on the McCoy waggon now. But I have to say I was never on Quinn’s.

Me too….I never really liked the Quinn pick, but I was happy when we got McCoy.

NO

haha

WwwwhhhhhaAaaaat?

You don’t appreciate the stache?

Women dig it, you should jump on that bandwagon.

Put that hat like I was talking about on it.

SOMEBODY SHOULD MAKE IT THEIR AVATAR!!

If McCoy plays well the next few weeks, he will be my avatar.

It has to be that one though.

I’m on it, love the stash

Awesome.

I prefer the no hat version.

me too…maybe he needs a bigger hat and an eye-patch

A cowboy hat doesn’t work with that ’stache. Needs to be a bowler (ala OddJob).

yes, thats it – a bowler and a monacle

I like it. To me it screams: “There’s a new sheriff in town!”.

Try the one I just posted.

Ok that’s pretty cool.

my friend just started growing a Fingers ’stache and a goatee. it looks kinda goofy and awesome at the same time.

BQ dreamy?

BQ was a pretty boy. Colt has a cute baby face.

My thoughts exactly. As a guy, I don’t feel ashamed or dirty when I find Colt dreamy.

BQ had a fratboy thing going whereas McCoy has a guy next door thing going.

That pretty much was my thought when I saved this picture to my computer haha.

I do believe Steeler week has ended. Why are you still hanging around?

to crow about a victory, like they’re prone to do.

Steelers fans aren’t happy until they’ve rubbed defeat in your face. When you are down, you must be kicked. That’s how they roll.

Fine with me. I won’t get my foor off the pedal next time they’re under the bus.

~~foor~~ foot

The karma train is coming for the Steelers. And when it does, it will be a glorious, glorious day.

The karma train makes regular stops in Pittsburgh.

Our win last year.
Ben being suspended.
etc…

Let this train be Unstoppable.

The karma train has not made nearly enough stops in Pittsburgh considering all the lucky breaks they’ve had, all the cheap shots they administer, all the players Hines Ward has injured, all the crimes their players have committed, etc. They are the luckiest team in all of football and they just keep winning by playing dirty. The karma train is due to flatten Pittsburgh and leave them down in the ditch for several years. because they have been up at the top way too long.

I would love to look south off of the Mckees Rocks bridge one day and see a giant smoking crater…

keep rooting for the meteor, I know I am.

When you are down, you must be ~~kicked~~ hit helmet to helmet. That’s how they roll.

ironic

klompus - October 18, 2010 reply

Same look Harrison had on his face when he beat his girlfriend/wife.

Or when someone told him to get rid of the dog who beat the crap outta his kid.

This should be green.

so it shall be done.

Whoa there. That beating was not malicious nor intentional. It was the unintended outcome of the steroids.

She clearly put her face in the way of his pimp hand.

If its an unintentional pimp hand its a clean play

Legit lol.

He didn't lead with his helmet.

but remember kids, according to Dan Rooney “the Steelers do not condone violence of any kind, especially against women.”

At what point in time does Harrison start hearing some static about Roids? Does anyone not believe that he is swallowing pills? The dude has shoulders 50 inches wide with a 26 inch waist.

Not to mention that no one ever heard of the guy until he explodes at the age of 29. Sure. Right. That’s normal.

And the fact that he moved from team to team and then out of nowhere became a Pro Bowl player…

You're such a loser, dude. :) I love you. You are entertaining...

Collie or Garcon for the night game? Half point per reception which has been leading me to start Collie, but he is a bit banged up.

Garcon is healthy and from UMU.

Garcon.

I think Collie is a sure 4-5 points, despite the questionable tag. Garcon is a more of risk.

He’s been a monster

In not sure who you are talking about, but either way, Collie has been a bigger monster.

Collie

Ah, agreed completely.

No.

But I am biased of course.

?

Collie 37 catches, 446 yards, 5 TDs
Garcon 10 catches, 111 yards, 0 TDs

It’s not close this year.

That said, I benched Collie in favor of Steve Smith and Brandon Lloyd.

(It was a situation where I needed to pick 2 of the 3, Andre Johnson being the other start)

BY and SB are both saying Garcon, so I’d go with Collie.

Har

I love Collie, but Garcon is your guy.

I always ef up last comment replies.

LOL at the ending of the DAL/MINN game.

This just in: if the Bears don’t fix their line, Jay Cutler will die on the field.

Kevin Shaffer!

at least they aren’t paying him like a top tackle in the league

NBC just made McCoy sound like Ryan Leaf and Ben like Peyton Manning.

Stupid.

And didn’t show Harrison’s hit on MoMass.

Can’t make America’s team look dirty now.

God Forbid the Steelers are shown as dirty to all of America’s youngsters watching. The Steelers are great role models. Just ask Big Ben what he does (or doesn’t do) in his spare time.

I thought the Cowboys were America’s team….not that I want them to be, I just swear I remember hearing that somewheres

No, they are. But every Steelers fan I know always says “The Steelers are the real America’s Team.”

Ugh.

All good teams are America’s teams.

We have the same record as the Cowboys. All of that talent. One win. As much as 1-5 sucks for us, it could always be worse.

My thought exactly.

too true….I’d have to say we are playing better than we should be.

Maybe we should be Americas team lol

Add Miles Austin and Demarcus Ware to the Browns, and we’re undefeated and on our way to the playoffs.

that would be awesome.

Agreed.

we are a #1 WR and and a quicker pass rusher away from being a playoff contender.

Add Miles Austin and Demarcus Ware to the Browns, and we’re undefeated and on our way to the playoffs.

You don’t say?

Love it.

Same for Frisco too.

Ryan Leaf? WTF.

Tomlin almost teared up when his crowed cheered like that for a rapist.

True. I was really surprised to hear nearly 100% (I say “nearly” because I’m giving at least a few fans the benefit of the doubt) support for Ben. During the off-season I recall hearing reports that a large share of the fans were upset with Ben and wanted to see his butt shipped out of town. Now, it’s some big love-in for this sleazeball.

It’s really disappointing – and the media feeds into it.

Actually, I do believe there were some protestors outside Heinz Field today protesting that Big Ben was back.

Steelers fans protesting I mean.

Still, no boos in the stadium.

Obviously not. But it’s nice to know that some of our enemies aren’t happy with him either.

I can’t wait to hear 70,000 chant “No Means No” when they come to Browns Stadium.

Oh crap, please tell me this is planned!

I’ve heard some folks that tailgate in the Muni lot talk about getting in going pre-game so it carries over into the satdium. We can only hope.

Whoa – wife talking to me makes for typo’s. Meant getting it going pre-game so it carries over in the stadium.

I’m not surprised — fans always cheer for their players. Look at how Giants fans cheered Bonds even at the end of his career when everyone else hated him. It’s like that in every city, and we can’t pretend that Browns fans would be any different if the situation was reversed.

I would boo a rapist.

This.

Sure, some Browns fans would, just like some people in Pittsburgh would as well.

But they didn’t – and that was the point of my original post. I was really surprised to hear almost complete applause for him.

How do you know they didn’t? Just because you couldn’t hear it on the TV doesn’t mean that some people didn’t boo. And what about the people protesting outside (like someone else mentioned)?

I’m not surprised at all. Again, if it happened for a star Browns player then he’d get the same reception in his first game back. That’s how fans are — they support the players who help them win. It’s the same all over the country, and we can’t pretend that our fans are any different.

Yeah, I mean, Cleveland was snookered into believing LeBron James was a decent human being, for example.

Not everyone

Would you like to carve out an exception for yourself?

There is a good contingent of people that always disliked Lebron.

In Cleveland?! Who?

Again, are you referring to yourself?

I mean I could list you some of my friends names, but I doubt you know any of them. Scott Raab, a notable Cleveland writer, has long disliked Lebron if you are looking for someone more famous.

I stand corrected.

Yeah, I mean, Cleveland* was snookered into believing LeBron James was a decent human being, for example.

*Except some of Roger Dorn’s friends and Scott Raab.

Right, I am positive it is limited to the select group of people that I know and read, and not anyone else.

As much as I’d love to press the point, I’m not sure this thread can handle another argument about “blanket statements” and generalizations.

However, I’d like to take this opportunity to say, you are completely right: Literally not every, single person within the jurisdictional limits of the City of Cleveland nor every, single fan of said city’s sports team was enamored by LeBron James. Your original response was a significant rebuttal to my recklessness with the truth through excessive vagueness, and I am sufficiently humiliated.

I thought he was a good player, but I never liked Lebron.

You don’t wear a Yankee cap to an Indians game.

This a million times over. Dude has no class and he showed it loooooong before “the Decision”.

There were a few Cleveland fans who never forgave him for wearing a Yankees hat to the Indians playoff game.

I am one of those fans

I forgave him, but regretted it.

I’ve hated him for being a douche for a looong time. My comment history can back this up.

I saw it coming from a mile away.

No, we just ignored it.

Like McNabb cheered in Philly a few weeks ago? Or is that different?

Now you’re talking nonsense. Browns fans welcoming back a HOF-worthy/Super Bowl champ after breaking the law? Pffft. It’s impossible to imagine

HOF-worthy

Uh, wut? We’re talking about Ben here.

Bonds… His career is HOF-worthy, even before the steroids.

What — that a Browns QB would win the Super Bowl? haha

I disagree. I would hate bonds if he played for the indians. Some obviously would but without using the word some, you make it seem like golan or I would be in favor of someone like that on the browns. he made it clear he isn’t but I wouldn’t at all favor a player like that.

Of course, not EVERYONE would cheer for him in Cleveland, just like not everyone cheered for him in Pittsburgh. That’s so obvious that it didn’t need to be stated. There probably isn’t a single issue that EVERY Browns fan would agree on, so obiously I didn’t mean every single person would do that.

There probably isn’t a single issue that EVERY Browns fan would agree on

The “fire Daboll” committee would like to have a word with you…

then don’t say blanket statements that browns fans would support someone in his situation.

that description fits me (the browns fan) but at the same time it doesn’t (I wouldn’t support him). I get what your saying, I just don’t appreciate being lumped in with people who would support scum

Yet people here said that Steeelers fans supported Ben when it wasn’t all of them.

People make generalizations and it goes both ways. Don’t get all upset when it goes against you when you do the same for other people.

Also, it’s very easy now to say that you wouldn’t cheer for someone like him on your team, but much different when it actually happens.

If you are lumping me in with the “generalizations” crowd (since it was my comment that started this), please reconsider. When the entire stadium sounds like they are cheering for Ben, it is not a generalization – all of the fans were showing their support.

Now if you want to say that you heard a smattering of boos, I’m happy to change my assessment.

Why do you care if our fanbase forgives a QB who a.) wasn’t charged with any crime after a witch-hunt to gather some evidence to charge him and b.) he served an unprecedented 4 game suspension without having formal charges filed against him?

Is he a pig? Probably. Is he an arrogant womanizer? Maybe. Is he awaiting trial for a crime? No. He’s not.

Until being a jerk is a felony, why shouldn’t we cheer for him like all of our other players…. he was only tried and convicted in the media, people.

You guys talk about karma here… How’s this helping your own??

wasn’t charged with any crime after a witch-hunt to gather some evidence to charge him

I’m glad you started with this.

Saved me some time.

I just have to shake my head sometimes. People want soooo badly for him to be guilty of something that they’ll completely dismiss the GBI findings and take the National Enquirer as gospel.

Get a life and stop crucifying people based on what you’d “like” to see happen to them… geez.

I nominate this for unintentional irony of the year.

My point is that Ben did some bad things (two accusations) – and he has earned whatever “conviction” he has received. The fans – and the media – who thought he should have been shipped off just a few months ago are praising him now. I’m just surprised that everyone (it sounded like everyone) in the stands were giving him the love.

Now, if I were in your shoes, I don’t know how I would act. Would I cheer? Maybe. Would I feel proud of it? I don’t know…

Spidey… with all due respect, I’m calling Bullshit on your last comment. No one I know, who is a fan of the Steelers (or a decent human being…forget about football) is in favor of a crime against women. (I can speak as a woman here… I’m definitely not in favor of crimes against women)

I’m also not in favor of branding someone a rapist when after a long, involved and very, very public investigation, there was NO EVIDENCE OF A CRIME. That… is a crime in and of itself IMHO. He may be the QB of a much hated rival team… but he’s a human being, too.

Now… had there been charges… off with his head. We don’t want you, nor do we need you. You, stand for nothing Steelers. This however was not the case. He wasn’t convicted by a jury of his peers, he was convicted by a reality-show (whose reality I’m not sure) gossip loving media….who incidentally seems to print whatever they want then just assumes a “slight retraction” will make it all better.

Praise him? Yep. For his efforts on and off the field to improve himself after being raked over the coals for months and then a 5 minute presser that said “No evidence; no charges… Next?” Yeah… I think he has more than paid his dues.

I’m also not in favor of branding someone a rapist when after a long, involved and very, very public investigation, there was NO EVIDENCE OF A CRIME.

But do you consider Ray Lewis a murderer? I bet you do as a Steelers fan.

No. I sure don’t. See how wrong you can be.

…It’s the internet, without seeing your face of course you can write no.

I bet you do though.

Guess you’re just gonna have to take my word for it then, huh.

If you were a Browns fan, yes. As a Steelers fan, hell no. No offense, but I trust no Steeler fan.

Your loss. (that make 2 losses today :)

we should have started a tally of how many times Steelers fans crowed about their win today. it has to be in triple digits by now; and so typical.

Do you think OJ did it?

Dude, this is the second time today we made a very similar comment, get outta my head!

I noticed that too, lol

great minds think alike

OJ was found not guilty by a jury. IF he really did it; someone much more powerful than me will call him out… that’s on OJ.

People who don’t kill people usually don’t commit armed robbery.

Joe Thomas?

Look, I really didn’t want to jump into this, but did you see the DA’s press conference? He basically said “we know Ben is guilty but since the girl was drunk it would be hard to get a conviction.”

notthatnoise - October 18, 2010 reply

No conviction doesn’t mean he’s not a douche, look at OJ.

I think your characterization of the event is a bit lenient, but your overall point is correct. Regardless, a guy like Roethlisberger feeding underaged women shots and then bringing them into a restroom (gross) borders on sexual deviant.

Roger… do you think a BJ in a bathroom is more “deviant” than a BJ in an airplane bathroom? People openly brag about the Mile High club… personally, I never felt the need to join… but others think it’s perfectly wonderful.

I also believe the story was she and her “posse” (complete with their lady-like DTF stickers) were bar hopping for most of the evening prior to the infamous meeting… IIRC.

Sorry I was referring more specifically to giving girls who cannot legally drink alcohol and then convincing them to come into the bathroom with you, not the specific sexual act.

Also BJ…I am not sure since the medical report specifically mentioned a laceration from intercourse in her vaginal region, not sure how you get that from a BJ.

Dorn, Dorn, Dorn.

Foreplay, duh.

Roger, are you saying she went to the club sober? No alcohol? (I didn’t know it was the patron’s job to card people coming into a bar either…. hm.)

Oh, so are you assuming he took advantage of a drunk girl?

Such a gentleman, Ben is.

well then, if she was drunk she deserved to have sex forced upon her…

That’s what happens to guys who spend a night in jail for a DUI.

Seems only fair…

I feel like you are digging a hole here whereby you defend Roethlisberger for buying underage girls shots. You are right that it’s not his responsbility to ID people, but shouldn’t someone of large public persona avoid something buying girls like this shots in the first place if his intent was to take them into the bathroom? If it’s even borderline, why would he risk it. Bottom line is they were underage and Roethlisberger paid for some of their alcohol.

I agree with you completely. Everything you stated above is very, very true and it IS conduct unbecoming and he SHOULD have been suspended and apologized to not just his team, but his fans and city. NO QUESTION. Bad judgement by him that is inexcusable.

That does NOT make him a rapist. That is what I will defend.

LV Steelers Fan - October 17, 2010 reply

1BlkGldFan, it's really not worth your effort

Ben’s issues are the only thing these people have to cling to following yet another curbstomping at the hands of our team. Well, that and some tackles by that big meanie James Harrison! Ben’s accuser could come out and say that the sex was completely consensual and that she just wanted some quick cash and they would remain utterly convinced that he’s a rapist. There are times when you want to believe something so badly you will refuse to accept any evidence to the contrary, no matter how damning. I believe that is the kind of situation we have been privy to over the past week, and quite frankly it becomes more amusing every time it happens.

Oh, thank you for being the typical douche Steelers fan, once again being the voice for your otherwise classless fanbase.

You are quite welcome

Anything else I can do for you?

Yeah I know LV… you’re right. I was trying to “herd cats” lol

Cats with short tempers and burgeoning inferiority complexes, it seems

They got neutered today… still painful.

1BlkGldFan - October 18, 2010 reply

They'll be fine

They still have their mystical elf thingy!

and a rec'

1BlkGldFan - October 18, 2010 reply

Hm, hypocrite.

SpecialBrownie - October 18, 2010 reply

Hm, hypocrite.

SpecialBrownie - October 18, 2010 reply

Hm, hypocrite.

SpecialBrownie - October 18, 2010 reply

Another curbstomping? Didn’t we knock you out of the playoffs last year?

Roger Dorn - October 18, 2010 reply

And a rec.

Simmsinns - October 18, 2010 reply

green

The Steelers were, for all intents and purposes, knocked out by that game

The sickening loss to the Raiders ruined the entire season, and if had we beaten the Browns we probably would have found a way to lose to GB or BAL in the next two weeks. And saying one win sandwiched between 13 losses, many of which were lopsided affairs, changes the fact that the Steelers have owned the new Browns is rather silly.

Like how none of your brethren will admit the Harrison hits were illegal and should be fined?

/Sigh...

Another Steelers victory, another shocked fanbase scrambling to find things to blame their team’s loss on. If you want to spend the rest of your season agonizing over a few big hits, be my guest. Meanwhile, I’ll be planning playoff parties and annoying the heck out of local Bills fans.

First of all I wouldn’t call us shocked, second of all I never said we lost because of said illegal hits. I love how you tried to change the subject there. Steelers/Browns week is over, go troll whoever the hell you play next.

You changed the subject to "hits."

So you apparently know about the subject of “changing subjects.”

And yes, you are shocked. We read your blog before the season started. Oh, yes we did. Not as shocked as Bungles fans right now but shocked nonetheless. In fact, I’m sure, if we cared enough, we could dig up some ridiculously optimistic words from your pen, from before the wheels fell off.

Do we not have a waiting period to post here? Do we not ban people? Why does this happen?

Chemo - October 18, 2010 reply

I true philosopher.

Great questions.

I didn’t call him a rapist. In fact, if you go back to my original post on this topic, I said that your overall point was correct, so I am not sure why you chose to go down this path.

Roger Dorn - October 18, 2010 reply

Neither you nor he know what her state of mind was when entering the club, what we do know is he fed her shot after shot and lead her to the bathroom where his posse blocked the door.

so either

a) he brought alcohol to girls underage (crime)

b) the girls were drunk and therefore he took advantage of a drunk chick (classy and also one of the most common situations for rape)

Fantastic.

He can throw a ball well. Must be her fault.

Roger… do you think a BJ in a bathroom is more "deviant" than a BJ in an airplane bathroom? People openly brag about the Mile High club… personally, I never felt the need to join… but others think it’s perfectly wonderful.

Well, this is extremely irrelevant.

Actually we were talking about deviant behavior. so it does apply. Follow along SpecialBrownie..

If you read Dorn below, you will se you’re wrong.

Reading comprehension…

I read from the top of the page to the bottom… I didn’t realize I was to do it backwards here. Forgive my newness.

Don’t be an ass. M’kay

Follow along SpecialBrownie..

Don’t be an ass. M’kay

Every Steeler fan I meet reinforces the fact that they’re all hypocrites.

There really is no point in talking to you any further. I’ve had some great, light-hearted ribbing with several fans here and none of them have been jackasses like you’re being now. So… have a great night, good luck the rest of the season and grow the hell up.

You really need to quit being a hypocrite.

Jackass.

No one I know, who is a fan of the Steelers (or a decent human being…forget about football) is in favor of a crime against women.

I dunno. You probably know this guy and if this guy is indicative of a typical male steelers fan…I think most women would consider that a crime..

now beat it.

johnnyphoenix - October 18, 2010 reply

@1BlkGldFan

How can you argue with my last comment???

Now, if I were in your shoes, I don’t know how I would act. Would I cheer? Maybe. Would I feel proud of it? I don’t know…

I don’t think I was deriding any fanbase – most fans would do the same. I’m just surprised I did not hear or see anything negative in the stands. Pretty simple.

The point is that you (as a Steelers fan) must feel a little bit of shame to be cheering for him. I wonder the same thing about Ravens fans and Rey Lewis.

As Cleveland fans, we haven’t had the opportunity to face this choice. (Cheering for gun-toting Rogers??? Not really close, but I’m not happy with it). Maybe I would not feel any shame, but I don’t think I would be very proud of having Ben lead my team.

Spidey - October 18, 2010 reply

He represents your organization. If you’re ok with his actions representing your organization, regardless of him being charged or convicted, then cheer for him. Some people don’t agree with his behavior, and they aren’t all Browns fans.

Really? You can tell from television that 100% of fans in the stadium were cheering for him? If so, that’s quite impressive, because I have no idea how anyone could deduce that.

Also, you’re completely ignoring the fans that were protesting outside the stadium, and also the fans who didn’t go to the game or didn’t watch because they didn’t want to support Ben. I’m not sure exactly how many of those fans are out there, but you can’t just assume they don’t exist.

It’s entirely unfair and incorrect to generalize all Steelers fans with whatever you think you heard on TV. I just get tired of fans who act like their fans are better than every other team’s fans when in truth we’re all basically the same.

Why yes, I can tell if I hear some boos on the television – and I did not hear any boos. If you can tell me that you clearly heard boos, then please let me know.

Yes, I’m clearly ignoring the fans protesting outside. Why didn’t they go to the game and voice their displeasure at Ben?

I’m not saying my fans are any better – where in the bloody hell did you get that impression with my comments???

Didn’t you f-ing read my other comment that the media feeds into it? They are f-ing glorifying the idiot!!!!!

You missed the entire point of my comment.

I’m not sure what comment you’re talking about. This whole discussion started when I mentioned that many Browns fans would cheer a player coming back from suspension in a similar situation, which is why I made the comment that fans act like their fans are better than others, because some people here are criticizing Steelers fans for cheering Ben and acting like Browns fans wouldn’t do the same.

I would say the people outside the stadium didn’t want to pay money to support Ben’s employer. And I’m sure there were some fans who stayed silent because they don’t like Ben.

At any rate, why are you arguing with Brad? All he’s saying is that all fan bases would cheer Ben. If you don’t disagree with that, what are you debating?

At any rate, why are you arguing with Brad? All he’s saying is that all fan bases would cheer Ben. If you don’t disagree with that, what are you debating?

Yes, this is what I’m wondering. By replying to me the way he was, it seemed as though he was disagreeing with my point, so I’m not sure why he came back with a comment where he sounded very upset that I assumed he was disagreeing with my point.

Also, my point is that just because you didn’t hear boos doesn’t mean they weren’t there. There could have been 10 % of the crowd booing and they would have been drowned out by the rest cheering, but that doesn’t mean we can say that the entire crowd was booing.

That’s really what I’m trying to convey. I am reading your comments that everyone is “generalizing” what the opposing fans are doing as a “generalization” of my point.

Would Browns fans cheer for Ben in the same situation? Sure. Would I be surprised? Probably not. Would I be disappointed? Probably, yes. To say that you wouldn’t feel a little bothered by it is being dishonest, or that you feel quite fine with Ben’s behavior. At least that is how I would think about it.

The closest I can come to imagine this scenario is cheering for Albert Belle (and I’m not really proud of it).

Spidey - October 18, 2010 reply

Besides, bringing reason and balance into a post-game thread, especially a loss to the Steelers… I should be asking the same of you: why are you arguing??? That’s almost like fighting against your team in a bench-clearing brawl.

Spidey - October 18, 2010 reply

You are completely missing what Chemo (and I) were saying. I never said you weren’t allowed to argue a certain point. We asked why are you arguing with me if you say now that you are agreeing with what I said. If you don’t disagree, then why were you arguing with me above?

Buckeye Brad - October 18, 2010 reply

There were fans that were outside the stadium with signs in opposition of Roethlisberger.

Most of those fans eventually went to the game.

I listened, and I did not hear a “raucus” ovation. I heard them cheering for him. But I did not hear everyone. I’ve been to that stadium, then watched the games DVR’d later. I know what the sound of that stadium going crazy sounds like.

For you to say “everyone” is extremely shortsighted and ignorant.

I personally have a big issue with what Roethlisberger did, and I had gone on record publicly saying I would not mind a trade that held equal value. I would have been ecstatic at the time over a Roethlisberger-to-Rams for their #1. Fair trade. We get a new #1 QB, Ben gets a lesson, we keep rolling. But I’m also about redemption. I’m as interested as the next guy as to how Roethlisberger responds.

And if you aren’t down with redemption for others, you can’t have it yourself, and if you are like every other person in this world, you’d be up a very brown creek without a paddle, brother.

Also, it’s very easy now to say that you wouldn’t cheer for someone like him on your team, but much different when it actually happens.

I can give you a couple examples of players who I almost worshiped but who i stopped liking after certain incidents.

-Mark McGwire
-Michael Vick

I used to love these guys, but my opinion definitely changed when the incidents happened. does it not count because they were from my ‘hometown team’ in your mind? I rooted for these guys like I rooted for guys from cleveland.

A female friend of mine has a 10 yr. old son that plays flag football for “The Steelers” and is a Pittspuke fan. She told me he threw the winning touchdown and ran in the two point conversion in yesterdays game. I told her “just make sure he realizes that rape is not a necessary part of the skills needed to play the position”. For some reason she got mad.

An understandable reaction.

She deserves every bit of it. One of the more obnoxious turncoat fans I’ve ever met. This is the person that said I should “give it up and buy a Steelers jersey already” and “join a winner”. Pathetic.

Tell her she should join the next Greyhound headed to Pittsburgh.

No doubt, but I think you leave the 10 year old out of your feud. Especially when the jab being thrown is sexual in nature.

Don’t get me wrong – I never said anything in front of – or to – the kid. My jab didn’t even say anything about her kid either. I’m not a total creep.

S’all good then.

Or she should take her talents to South Beach.

StinkBomb - October 17, 2010 reply

You should take your 6 rings and shove ’em right up your arse. Troll.

I hate bitchy woman Steeler fans who no nothing of the game, only when the team wins. If they don’t, they don’t give a shit. If they win, holy shit, you’ll hear it for a week till thier next loss.

School secretary had a Big Ben shrine beneath her desk. She took it down when he got suspended. Shows how little she cares, but when he’s playing, she kisses his fat arse till day’s end.

You're pretty much a total ass.

Oh believe me – I have.

Roger Dorn favorite Danario Alexander was finally activated for the Rams today after a long comeback from his second major knee operation and scored a TD for the Rams finishing with 4 catches for 72 yards and a TD. An undrafted free agent, I wish the Browns would have pursued him.

should we all pick him up on our fantasy teams? My league so deep and I started Danny Amendola today at my flex spot.

Jerome Harrison and Chainsaw Massaquoi haven’t been working too well for me.

In a deep league, I might give him a flier.

I've been holding onto Sidney Rice, but I think by the time he gets healthy I will be eliminated from the playoffs.

It’s just that kind of year for me.

Also Thanks! I typed it in my last post, but it disappeared lol

Did Amendola do anything today?

3 catches for 19 yards, which gives me a whole 1 point.

He also had a punt return for 42 yards.

I am down 6 points in fantasy and have Josh Scobee left. Here’s hoping he gets 7 points.

He was a stud at Mizzou – how the heck did he go undrafted? Hurt the knee before the draft?

yep, knee injury, some doubt whether he would ever play again.

Ha, I saw his stats today and thought of you. I remember you talking him up this offseason.

It was me and Slim Shady debating whether he could play in the pros.

I think i may have been in on it, on the “if healthy” side.

Okay, so NBC just showed a thing on all the head hits today.

They should MoMass, but not the worse one that was Cribbs.

Wtf?

Cribbs’ hit was ok. Crap. forgot I wasn’t gunna talk about that anymore.

Did I say that?

I said it was a montage thing on today’s head hits and they excluded his.

Yeah, them there’s just fightin’ words. You aren’t going to win any arguments. You won’t necessarily lose, but you ain’t winning anything with it.

So was the hit on Shipley, but both were illegal.

I also saw some things going on in the piles today out of Polomalou that I didn’t like. As much as I hate the Steelers, I’ve always respected the hell out of that guy as a player – till today. I’ve never seen him puling on guys after the whistle and bending arms before. I never thought of him as dirty – guess I know differently now.

Looked like an INT then fumble to me…

Instant replay offers further evidence.

Dude took three steps with it. INT then Fumble.

BULL!!

Really sucks I missed the game today guys. I heard Colt did well and from reading comments sounds like it was true. I really hope we continue to start him and let him learn by playing for the remainder of the season. If he can play this well in his first game, against the Steelers no less, then we may have something special finally at QB

Kimble_79 - October 17, 2010 reply

Oh yeah.

nice. lol

I like how my color replacement tool made the hat come out suede orange. Playing in style.

there’s a new sheriff in town boys

At least I’m not the only one who said that.

I came from the shitter and saw this. Very funny, bro.

I still prefer just the stache.

I did the hat more justice than you though.

Man, we be some photoshop jeniuses.

Jeniuses, Mr. Grammar?

It was a joke.

So was my comment.

Point taken.

You should have said, “Well so was mine, about yours.”

It could have gone on for a while.

I did the hat more justice than you though.

Agreed. The hat choice is at the perfect angle.

The coloring though… ehhhh

See, I wanted the full orange, but the color replacement tool just went over the same material, it didn’t just make it the full orange. How would I go about doing that?

First thing I’d try is CTRL+U (hue adjustment) then messing with the sliders just to see if that helps.
Then I’d make a new layer, fill with an oranger, then adjust the layer type and opacity. If all of that failed to get the results what I wanted (which happens often with re-colorings) than I’d give up on it.

Can you post a link of the original hat? I just want to give the color a try.

http://www.halloweencostumeideas.com/black-cowboy-hat.html

Go for it.

Ooooh, yeah uh black, especially a glossy black is re-coloring death. But I’ll give it a try for the heck of it.

This is why it came out suede – like. But the angle and perspective on the hat was perfect so I dealt with it.

I’m running CS4, what are you on?

CS2 on the laptop, CS5 on the desktop.

I prefer Corel 9.

gimp.

I wish I liked gimp (and inkscape) more than I do. It’d make life much easier if I didn’t have to maintain a Windows partition.

I really wish someone would make a vector / raster program using a blender like interface. I absolutely love blender.

One you have photoshop, and use it heavily, you just can’t go back.

It’s like a Bugatti Veyron, and everything else is like a Yugo GV.

Indeed. Love this software.

I have to admit once I could get photoshop for free from case, I never thought of going back.

Yeah, paying full price for it is nuts! The cost rivals that of a Bugatti Veyron.

Even pros get their employer to pay for it.

Thank you torrents ;]

Thank Sean Parker too. He changed they way any digital product would be handled for the rest of time.

Nah. Before I started in the freelance illustration biz, I spent years as a graphic designer. Always preferred Corel to Adobe. Photoshop was better than PhotoPaint, but not by much. Corel draw has always been leagues ahead of Illustrator though, and the difference between the two suites.

That having been said, the newer versions of the Adobe products are likely much better than Corel 9 (which is a decade old now), but my needs are so finely honed at this point that I really don’t have any use for any of the new features.

I haven’t spent a lot of time with vector based design. I prefer the pixel manipulation.

I’ve also never used Corel, so I can’t really comment on that.

Part of the reason I’ve actually decided not to go into the business is that it seems nowadays they expect so much more from the “graphic designer” position. Companies preferring to hire people that can do web design AND graphic design. And I can’t stand web design.

I would actually prefer vector because photoshop’s weakness is that the pixel’s can be exaggerated very easily with slight manipulation.

Zoom in.

This is what I meant by slight manipulation as well. Also zooming out, which is stupid, you’d think it’d clean the image up more.

I can do a bit of graphic design, but I agree, web design is a bitch.

I do freelance graphic design. I used to know web design up until about 2006, which is like night and day to the current stuff. Like everything in the IT industry, it updates insanely vast.

it updates insanely fast.

definitely. my friend experiments a little with web design and it seems to change all the time.

My sister has to do an NHD for her AP history class (national history day) and I tried to steer her away from designing a website because I know she is much less computer literate than me and she would die trying to create it.

There’s also very little money in it outside of major firms. There’s good designers and bad designers but most of the people needing designers wouldn’t know the difference. It’s really a ten dollar an hour occupation now.

Ouch. Considering the often level of difficulty, that’s just not worth it. Especially when you have a bitchy client, that wants only how they picture it in their head. I just didn’t want to deal with that.

I like enjoying the work I’m doing. Making it a job, that pays the bills, would make me loathe photoshop.

thats what I have, because that one is free.

Do I win? ;P

Winner, winner, chicken dinner.

By the way, the main re-color was a “master: hue +170, sat +6”

Nice.

looks good

Out of both of us, you are the better one but we are a pretty sick duo.

Sick duo, indeed.

Do we need a nickname?

I’m not good with names.

The Digital Duo?

Picture Pals…lmao

Ambiguously Gay Duo?

Kimble_79 - October 18, 2010 reply

I like it.

Damn right! :))

I think I gotta add the hat to my avatar….Sheriff McCoy all the way

It seems we have McCoy’s nickname now.

Oh Dorn, I really hope you started Collie…

I hedged, Garcon in the DBN league and Collie in my other. I already have the other league won, so the Garcon TD won’t cost me.

Haha..

COLLIE

Meh, Garcon worked for his.

Reggie Wayne hasn’t done anything yet. It’s been the Pierre Garcon / Austin Collie show.

Ugh. The guy I’m playing started Wayne but all my WRs choked so I lost.

I’m not really sure how Romeo figured out how to stop the Colts, but their offense seems virtually unstoppable.

I started Wayne over Garcon.

As you should every week.

As you should every week.

As You should every week.

As You Should Every Week.

How often should I start Wayne?

you should every week.

davus - October 17, 2010 reply

as you should every week

My computer is sloooow all of a sudden.

As you should every week.

Oh, Garcon…

sick one-handed grab

Yuhp.

Colt played well today. Saw him split the pocket a bit early a couple times at most, but hell, what rookie QB thrown into the fire wouldn’t

Haven’t read any of the comments here yet but I would have to think that Cleveland has to give Colt the next start. Is that the popular opinion?

I think the popular opinion is beginning to turn into the rest of the season.

Will be an interesting rematch later this year. Didn’t think Cleve played poorly. Steelers run got going early and then the triple re-punt bit them in the ass later and suddenly it was catch up. Pieces beginning to arrive. Stupid Holmgren.

The Special Teams was a huge relief. Hodges is outplaying himself. And yes, while we still aren’t in winning mode, we have a base and we have pieces. We aren’t duct taped together like years past.

As much as I love winning, I’d prefer this actual progress over fool’s gold circa 2007 and missing the playoffs anyway.

As much as I love winning, I’d prefer this actual progress over fool’s gold circa 2007 and missing the playoffs anyway.

But see, the problem is, is that the causal fan doesn’t and can’t understand this. Good thing we know Holmgren does and hopefully he doesn’t try to rip the foundation out after the season. We’re actually competitive, not sucking.

what about the effectual fan?

klompus - October 18, 2010 reply

Our schedule is just brutal, next 3 games: Saints, Pats, Jets.

Sheriff McCoy laughs at your pessimism.

Sheriff McCoy. Hahaha. I like it.

let’s get control of ourselves here; McCoy may be a damn strong Deputy, but I think we all know who the Sheriff is around these parts…

Woah, Thomas is the all knowing one.

Thomas is McCoy’s strongman.

Very well put.

I saw this stretch when the schedule came out, and was dreading it. That said, I think we could steal one of those.

Saints might be the most beatable.

I think Brees will rip us apart.

When do we get our next W?

I don’t think we’ll get a win until Jacksonville.

Jets.

Can Ward please have a big hit on Braylon?

It’s 9:59 PM on October 17, 2010 and Braylon is still a douchebag.
Also, Michigan still sucks.

I love how my meme has lasted this long.

A bit sad the “still sucks” part doesn’t work any more. :’(

I’ll be at the Jets game, so hopefully I can bring us a win like I did for the Bengals.

“Un – impeded, Un invaded… take your pick!”

HAR HAR.

Um, that’s “unabated” there, Al.

Damn illegal aliens.

I don’t know if anyone has touched on it yet, but was I the only person who didn’t understand why we kept making the Steelers punt over and over again? I understand that we were hoping for better field position, but this is the NFL and almost every decent punter has no issue dropping it inside the 10. Tack on the 5 yards and start the drive from the 14 or so.

The fact that Stuckey looked like he was catching a live grenade just made it even more questionable in my mind.

I agree. From his very first, I cringed every single time he was back there. It was obvious he had an issue from the beginning.

At the time, I thought the punter would eventually boot one worse than the one before. With Stuckey back there though, you’ve got a fair point.

Why did we decline the penalty and not make them punt it again before half?

Yeah, I thought it was a disaster waiting to happen.

“I thought Cribbs was asleep,” said Harrison, the 2008 NFL Defensive Player of the Year. “A hit like that geeks you up — it geeks everybody up — especially when you find out that the guy is not really hurt — he’s just sleeping. He’s knocked out, but he’s going to be OK. The other guy, I didn’t hit that hard, to be honest with you. When you get a guy on the ground, it’s a perfect tackle.”

“[Harrison’s] a beast,” said Steelers receiver Hines Ward. "You see a guy like that — knocking guys out like that — he’s a man on a mission.

Helmet-to-helmet is a good hit?
“It doesn’t matter what it is — he’s running the ball, so that’s a legal hit.”

“That ends the wildcat,” said Harrison. "It’s out the window. That’s his thing.

On the Massaquoi hit, Harrison launched and smashed his forearms into Massaquoi’s head after he dropped a short pass to the left. Massaquoi slumped to the ground, holding his hands up to his helmet. He experienced memory loss and neck pain, a source told The Plain Dealer.
“If I get fined for that, it’s going to be a travesty,” Harrison said. “There’s no way I could be fined for that. It was a good, clean, legit hit. He came across, I put my head across the bow. I could have put a lot more into that hit than I did.”

PD Article

Another thing, this is bull. Steelers fans and the media would’ve shit their pants if Ward or Haden or Wright had hit Ward or Wallace like that without any flags.

Screw you.

Memory loss? Oh my.

(The screw you is directed towards Harrison of course.)

What an asshole.

If there is such a thing as karma, there is a bus with his name on it.

wow, harrison wins the d-bag of the week award

This shit enraging.

Give this to the players as motivation before our next meeting with these douchebags.

This better add to the fines he’ll receive.

If Goodell doesn’t do something extremely harsh, I’ll throw something out my f-ing window.

Amazing. If Goodell doesn’t levy a fine, I’m starting a bounty on Harrison for the next game.

These players just don’t get it. And any Steelers fans who don’t get upset at Harrison are just pissing on Mike Webster’s grave.

BuenosAires_Dawg - October 17, 2010 reply

Harrison will not finish his next game against the Browns. His knees are going to be a sought after prize.

Classless. But not surprised.

Fine him for both.

I won’t be happy with anything short of a suspension now.

It’s one thing to hate the hit, but seriously, show me a player who comes out and says, “Man I should be fined for those hits. I knew the first was dirty as soon as it landed, but yet I did it again.”

Seriously. If he thought his first hit was out of line would he have done it a second time? Let’s ask Ronny Lott how many of his hits he thinks were dirty. If they do it, they aren’t going to think it makes them a bad person. Taking people out of the game is something most football players aren’t going to lose sleep over, and if you find a Defensive player that wouldn’t take knocking a player out of a single game they aren’t long for the league.

The hit on Cribbs was not clean and Harrison should have been flagged for both. He should be fined for the first. I in no way expect him to agree with that. I don’t expect that if Ward had knocked Ward out he would be criticizing himself, seriously. IF you hit hard you aren’t doing it to be friendly. The sentiment that if he isn’t going to be really hurt then it was good, that’s how they think. You don’t want to ruin the other guys season or career, you just want to knock him out of the game. That’s the mindset you have to have to throw your whole body at another human being as hard as you can.

Also

Said defensive coordinator Dick LeBeau: “They were hard plays, both guys were running hard. We’re thrilled that both players walked off the field, that’s the good thing. I’m sure [the league will] look at it.”

Is the best take on it in that article. Dick LeBeau has a different view then the young guys, and honestly, we’ll see what the league’s message is this week for helmet to helmet and the defenseless receiver rules.

Really though if you are looking for consistency from the league office, maybe you haven’t been paying attention. Those hits are getting attention, so it will be interesting what message the league chooses to send.

I wish people would forget about this defenseless crap. Defenseless or not doesn’t matter when there is helmet to helmet, h2h is illegal.

My big problem with Harrison on MoMass was that Harrison completely left his feet to hit MoMass.

If that isn’t “launching” yourself, I have no idea what is.

Cribbs will likely play the next game.

They sure as hell didn’t get any attention from the zebras.

JustBob - October 18, 2010 reply

TRADE for Vincent Jackson!

Eric Wright for Vincent Jackson!!!!!!!!!

Are you kidding me?

No you’re full of crap.

I’m saying we NEED to do it, haha, not that we have.

I figured. But the way you typed it made it sound like it happened.

Hows about Shaun Rogers for Vincent Jackson? Heck, A. J. Smith might just go for it as he’d probably think he is sending Jackson to some kind of purgatory.

Brownsyup - October 17, 2010 reply

I’m not so sure you could get Bobby Bouschet for Eric Wright right now….

We’d have to throw in a late round pick to get a team to take him off our hands.

You mean Bobby Boucher? I’d kill to have a guy who hits like that on our team.

gatorade is better

You’re drinkin the wrong watta.

But he spit in the coo-coo-coo-coo-cooluh.

We do. Ha Ha!

I thought of him while I made this comment too.

Please. AJ Smith will want Haden, Mack, Thomas and a conditional second rounder.

NOTHING LESS!

Yeah, it was a pipe dream at very best.

earlier someone suggested that they trade for lee evans. he might be able to be acquired cheaply since the bills seem to be in wholesale mode. maybe shaun rogers for lee evans?

davus - October 17, 2010 reply

That doesn’t sound so cheap to me?

he’s on the wrong side of 30 and he hasn’t made much of an impact so far. granted, he has had limited playing time, but he just seemed like a player they might want to shop around with the emergence of NT rubin.

davus - October 17, 2010 reply

Did Rogers even play today?

Yep – I think I saw him put a pretty good lic on Rapistburger at least once – after a throw

I see. Rubin had been more and more, I honestly didn’t even notice Rogers today.

Yep. Look at the picture at the top of the thread. That is the only reason I know.

Ah I see, he doesn’t look to happy, being out of focus and all.

The Colts still have a terrible run defense. No shot at a return to the Super Bowl with that kind of problem.

SHERIFF McCOY!

Burn this one. It’ll be used against us.

Funny though.

I think it looks tough.

No, it does not look tough. It looks like one of The Village People.

JustBob - October 18, 2010 reply

Perception is different to everyone.

Only because of the ’stache, but Simmsinns made that a staple, so I had to include it.

SpecialBrownie - October 19, 2010 reply

And the ‘stache is definitely cool. But you gotta put it on a pic where he’s scowling to call it tough. “Was that five pump fakes or six? To tell you the truth, in all the excitement I kinda lost track myself. So you gotta ask yourself: Do you feel lucky?”

JustBob - October 19, 2010 reply

If this one wasn’t used against us, I doubt that one will.

Thank god it wasn’t found out.

Do you like my Sheriff McCoy?

Yes, though he looks like he’d be at home at the Blue Oyster.

I’m 19, I need help with that joke.

its from Police Academy…if I remember right it was a gay bar

Police Academy

The Blue Oyster Club was a gay bar Mahoney and the rest of the fellas tricked the other guys into going there.

Steel Spike - October 17, 2010 reply

Oh.

Weak Golan.

If it was more relevant to our time, it would have been good. I’m leaning toward not weak, even while having never watched Police Academy.

I thought it was funny.

But he’d have to be wearing buttless chaps to belong at the Blue Oyster.

I doubt anyone walks in there strapped with a bullet sleeve and six shooter.

You don’t diss the Sheriff.

not weak, hilarious. you kids these days don’t get it with your skateboards and your videah games.

Okay, to help everyone out, but weak, I meant “ouch, good one”.

Damn kids and their music.

Peter!

to quote Reverend Lovejoy – “this sounds like Rock and/or Roll!”

Get off my lawn!

I should get a pass on this one, as many times as I’ve seen Tosh.0 (or whatever the hell it is) referenced.

He actually had Winslow on the show once.

yeah, I have no clue what that is either.

I’ve never reference Tosh.0, but it’s actually very funny. A talented stand up comedian combined with entertaining viral videos, a recipe for hilarity.

Actually, that is a very funny reference. Very funny indeed. It’s hard to work in any Police Academy references (just not any good one-liners), but Blue Oyster is a slam dunk.

Hahahahahahaha, I had forgotten about that. So awesome.

Yee-Haw…Hook ’em Dano

Hilarious.

I should’ve put a laso on his hip! Damn!

looks gay

dawginhouston - October 18, 2010 reply

Love the Sprint commercial with the doctor in the locker room – telling the guy his knee is shot. Excellent.

4 fumbles and 2 missed field goals…

Wayne and Clack would screw me on that last drive. Now all they’re going to do is run it.

I’m literally going to lose by a catch. I’m down three points and his team is done.

It seems I spoke too soon when I said in the game thread that the Steelers trolls would finally vacate from our blog. I should have known that trolls have no class and would revel in kicking us while we are down.

DBN needs a bath after this week.

The trolls should be perma-banned by at least the third comment.
This is week is a prime example of how it can get out of hand otherwise.
I’m not sure if you in the game thread, over there we had a guy admit he was trolling us, than bragging about it over at BTSC.

They have no place here. Also, we don’t have a problem with any other fan base at all. This is a Steeler fan / BTSC troll issue.

Simmsinns - October 18, 2010 reply

That guy has been banned. I have warned multiple people. I don’t feel comfortable banning someone after one or two comments. If I warn them, and it continues, then a ban is warranted.

All this being said, maybe I should have dropped the hammer on some of them earlier.

Who got banned?

Steel Spike - October 18, 2010 reply

I’m assuming he is talking about Klompus or whatever his name was.

Kimble_79 - October 19, 2010 reply

I wasn’t, but I had to ban him as well.

Bernie19Kosar - October 19, 2010 reply

Finally! But I just saw him comment above…

SpecialBrownie - October 19, 2010 reply

I see it as a great personal accomplishment that I didn’t been banned, as I’ve really been doing my best to curtail my troll-ish behavior since last year.

I actually had a lot of fun over here this past week. :)

You atleast gave good thoughts and opinions on subjects and didn’t only write things to annoy people like some. I saw a few, but not nearly as many as some others.

Kimble_79 - October 19, 2010 reply

Like I said, doing my best. It doesn’t mean it stopped altogether. Besides, I’m entitled to defend myself/team/blog mates if I see fit.

However, I did get a warning, but it was for a subject unrelated to the Browns, or you guys here on DBN.

I’m actually looking forward to the next Browns/Steelers game, now. I really did have a lot of fun over here, and can’t wait for it next time.

:)

you weren’t too bad.

Hehe. Thanks. Coming from you, that’s a pretty good compliment.

no problem. I think you were the steelers fan too that got irrationally labeled as a troll and I think I defended you. maybe it was someone else but the profile pic looks similar.

Yeah. That was me. A couple of you came to my defense. I was pleasantly surprised.

Many of just defend well reasoned arguments and friendly and logical banter. at least me, I try to.

bross09 - October 20, 2010 reply

More like a fumigation.

woodsmeister - October 18, 2010 reply

Our defensive backs are getting picked apart, every damn week.They can’t cover( one on one) at all, none off them,they might hit hard, but they couldn’t cover my Grandmother.

dawginhouston - October 18, 2010 reply

I disagree. I’m fairly hog certain they could cover your grandmother.

Dawg Nuts - October 18, 2010 reply

What if his Grandmama is like this?

Somehow I knew Grandma-ma was gonna come into this somewhere.

in pudding

I don’t think it’s that they can’t cover one on one, it’s that they can’t cover one on one more than 90% of the time (or whatever our percentage blitzing is) without giving up a big play.

JustBob - October 18, 2010 reply

I guess im to much of a homer, but there is no way the hit by harrison on Cribbs was not a deliberate attempt to put him out of the game. When watching the replay you can see harrison drop his head and lead with the top of his helmet directly into Cribbs head. And of course there will be no fine as the rooney family is to tight with NFL leadership. harrison should have been ejected after this hit.

1957Browns - October 18, 2010 reply

The “Cribbs put his helmet in the way” argument is weak too, Cribbs was moving forward, if Cribbs put his helmet in the way that would mean that Harrison was trying to tackle the air in front of Cribbs.

Everyone’s head is in the middle of their shoulders. Usually. Sometimes I have a feeling it is somewhere at the other end of the body, unable to be seen. But that’s another issue.

If he is leading with his right shoulder, as he was, into cribbs chest, which is legal, and Cribbs curls up in a protective posture, which he did, and that attempt at a protective posture lowers his head, which it did, there is no way humanly possible for any defensive player past or present to have ever been able to adjust.

If you’ve ever played the game, you know this. Even if you never played the game, you know this.

Hit on Cribbs was legal, hit on MoMass was not. Simple as that.

so you are inducing by the way cribbs curls up that it was not a helmet to helmet hit and he didn’t lead with the helmet?

Actually, if you watch the replay, he does NOT curl up into a protective posture. he is lying, spread eagle, on the ground. Its also pretty clear in replays it was a helmet to helmet hit.

Also interestingly enough, cribbs was like 1/4 second away from being down anyways. If james harrison was a tick slower, cribbs’ knee would have already been down and thats a late hit. Cribbs was already in the process of going down because of timmons.

The Cribbs hit was completely legal, therefore irrelevant to any argument.

The MoMass hit was led with his arms.

Oh…nevermind.

Hey, Tool Kosar, why am I not banned yet? Hurry your ass up. Thanks.