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Tim Couch?

This is brilliant! We can break Colt McCoy in much sooner than anticipated!

mooncamping - October 11, 2010 reply

If you want to acquire a player, I still think Chad Pennington is awesome.

mooncamping - October 11, 2010 reply

I actually kinda like this idea. Much more of a proven player than the others.

I think Miami would require a 3rd round pick knowing that we are in dire straits. Not worth it.

Ah, yes. Not worth it at that price.

I wouldn’t say we are in dire straits unless people are serious about us being a playoff team. We shouldn’t be giving away draft picks for wins this year.

Agreed.

discoinferno083 - October 12, 2010 reply

I never lost faith, that Chad Pennington is a starting caliber quarterback. I thought they were way off, thinking Henne was better. Maybe we can trade a player?

mooncamping - October 12, 2010 reply

i think Pennington is get-able, without getting ripped off.

the injury/ long-term point is a valid one, though.

is pennington’s style of play more similar to what Colt’s might end up being anyway?

I think Chad Pennington was one of the smartest and savviest quarterbacks in the NFL. Like Kosar this guy can improvise.
Now, Colt McCoy, I mean Texas isn´t Harvard, and he doesn´t act terribly smart, but who knows? The highlights suggest he can improvise and make things happen.

mooncamping - October 13, 2010 reply

I don’t think we need another injury prone QB though, especially since we’d probably have to overpay for him.

johnnyphoenix - October 11, 2010 reply

If neither Delhomme or Wallace can play this will be the 9th straight year CLE has had a change at QB due to injury or performance. This will also be the 3rd time in 4 years the Browns have been forced to go to their 3rd string QB. Meanwhile Favre can (allegedly) viral video his cheese winkie & get away with it….

This will also be the 3rd time in 4 years the Browns have been forced to go to their 3rd string QB.

I don’t think this is right. The last time I remember us going to our 3rd stringer was 2008 with Dorsey/Gradkowski. In 2007, we didn’t. In 2009, we didn’t.

2007 Anderson/Quinn/Frye
2008 Anderson/Quinn/Frye/Gradkowski
2009 Anderson/Quinn
2010 Delhomme/Wallace/McCoy?

2007 Anderson/Quinn/Frye

Quinn saw maybe two series in the final game of the season, at which time he was the established backup. Frye had been traded after game 1 and Quinn had been number 2 for the entire season except game 1.

2008 Anderson/Quinn/Frye/Gradkowski

Frye was gone in 2008 — he was playing for Mike Holmgren and the Seahawks as third string behind the backup, Seneca Wallace.

Ratliff.. and someone worse.. defintely played last year.

Missed the connection between Favre´s cheese winkie and our QB situation?

I’m confused as to what it even means to have a cheese winkie.

Charlie Frye = Ken Dorsey clone.

Also i was trying to keep it kid friendly on the website. you never know who’s reading and you cant take stuff off the internet.

If neither Delhomme or Wallace can play this will be the 9th straight year CLE has had a change at QB due to injury or performance.

haven’t we already switched qb’s b/c of injury or performance? like, twice?

Steelers fan here. Looking forward to the game this week. I hope we can remain somewhat civil.

I would like to see us play S. Wallace. I think he the most competent of your QBs right now and offers the best challenge. I am a bit worried about Hillis, because generally bruiser-type backs give our defense more trouble.

John Stephens - October 11, 2010 reply

Hillis is a beast. If he’s back to health then you should probably be afraid.

If not, I don’t know how much of a chance we have. Even with Seneca Wallace under center, we’ve been losing (albeit competitively). I’m not sure we’ll have Wallace and we probably won’t have Delhomme. So if Hillis isn’t at the top of his game, we’re probably sunk.

I look forward to a great game. My gut instinct is that Hillis will be good to go for the game and it will be a good contest.

And quite honestly… I hope we rock Roethlisberger similar to how we rocked him 8 times in our last meeting.

@Johnny_S If we keep it to football we should be fine :-). Thanks for the civil note. It will be interesting to see how Ben will be having been out for so long. I think historically he has done well in these situations. If the Steelers are down a TD or two at the half do you think there will be a chance that they might put in Batch?

Absolutely not

No way Batch goes in.

is our franchise QB. You just don’t pull him because the team is losing. What if the Colts had pulled out Pey-Pey halfway through the game yesterday, just because they weren’t winning?

ben roethlisberger=/=Peyton Manning and Peyton manning also didn’t just come off a 4 game suspension. he actually played the week before.

When did this happen?

I didn’t know anything about any suspension…Was this in the news?

Hah! It is funny how obsessive the press has been about this… and now they have Farve to feast upon.

Farva and his penis

I hear it’s about as impressive as a Chihuahua’s…

Twig and berries… what is up with that dude! I think they may have to suspend him if they suspended Ben. By the way… I saw Ben’s interview… do you think he is really as contrite as he seems to be? He said he has gone back to his roots. Do you buy it?

I'll buy it when he

A) Stops going out and giving the paparazi photo-op gold.

and

B) He stays in shape, and away from college bars.

He is an extremely easily noticeable public figure. He needs to keep a low profile, and keep his nose (and penis) clean.

I’m going to root for the Steelers this Sunday, and I will cheer when/if Ben plays like a champion.

rec.

Oh...

Farva will not get suspended. 1st offense, and all that. Besides, it wouldn’t do any good anyway. He’ll just retire. Again…

I’ve heard from someone that knows his dad that they are both total douches, so going back to his roots doesn’t mean anything to me.

well…thanks for the sarcasm.

point is,

taking big ben out in his first game back=/=taking peyton manning out after he played 5 games.

The situations are comparing 2 players in 2 different situations. its possible they pull him if he is in the same situation as ben, however he isn’t.

I thought you asked a ridiculous question

So I posed an = ridiculous scenario.

Sarcasm? A Browns fan is calling me out for using sarcasm? Forgive me for not taking you seriously.

Nobody takes him seriously.

really? you are gonna side with the troll? are you just pissed you lost this week in fantasy to me? that was just luck on my part.

You’re right bross, I’m pissed you beat me and I’m taking it out on you on the freaking boards. Give me a freaking break.

I think the two of you should run with this. Fantasy football is sooo much more fun when it spills over into totally unrelated arguments.

In money leagues, this can get intense.

Definitely.

If I could think of a way to run with it now, I would. Unfortunately I got nothing, except that bross is talking like he’s already won, where as I’m slowing inching closer, even though 3 of my players left their games early.

How was that?

You’re 4 points behind, I do not see how you lose.

Careful. I’m not going to start pretending I’ve won yet.

I’m ecstatic that Bross’s douche plan to take Holmes away from me after I said he was on my wire has blown up in his face.

Nick Folk has become my waiver wire pick up of the year so far, besides Lloyd who I haven’t played much.

Lloyd will be mine once I start to play him (won’t make that mistake of sitting him again). Also, Hillis.

Lloyd will be in my CBS league next week. Mark Clayton is done for the season. /sigh

Clayton got me this week as well, but I hope to pick up Branch on the wire.

don’t be pissed and call me a douche. I am being 100% honest when I say that he was already my #1 waiver priority and I had a higher number.

i will even tell you my waiver wire: 1. Santonio 2. Mike Williams 3. David garrard.

You had no clue till I brought it up in a thread. From there, I know you purposefully did it to spite me. Idc though, he sucks, so haha.

And you’re a douche for that, so yeah.

I was acting dumb because I didn’t want anyone to nab him before me. I in fact had put him on my waivers a day before.

don’t assume I am a douche and out to get you. I don’t think fantasy football is worth acting a douche over personally.

I’m not just calling you a douche on FF.

That’d be stupid. Just venting where I had the chance.

okay. I try not to be a douche on here too. sorry if I have been a douche to you or others.

Its always good to vent.

There’s nothing better than trash talking in fantasy football. Unfortunately I’m in a league where most of the players don’t see each other often. Plus my team sucks this year.

I forgot there were games today. I honestly wasn’t trying to be cocky.

Dude, it’s Monday.

That’s what I was going to say.

I thought it was tuesday. I am so lost…

Your dad telling you you’re not going to get laid probably blew your mind.

I burst out laughing.

Same.

something like that…I just am not good at using calendars.

I’m just messing with you bross, off your previous comment below. Not trying to get to personal. If you’re offended, I apologize.

its perfectly fine. I have developed a thicker skin here and am able to laugh at myself quite well.

that was a nice zinger and i followed with an insult to at how I can’t use calendars well (which is partly true…I just never use them and b/c of that sometimes forget the day)

Ok, cool.

Because seriously, Monday always follows Sunday, so you can keep the calendar put away!

yep. For some reason it just felt like 2 days since the browns played…thats what I was thinking (I think…)

By the way, if Folk keeps scoring I will win.

that would be awesome

A whole lot of this.

I see no troll.

I see a Steeler fan who is coherently speaking his mind without idiotically trashing the Browns

A Steeler fan coherently speaking? I mean, maybe he’s not a troll, but clearly something is up.

troy145 - October 12, 2010 reply

Truly a rare sight indeed but it’s not like the Jackalope, coherent Steelers’ fans do exist, my neighbor is one of em.

Flea are you sure? I’ve never met a Squealer Troll who is actually coherent. They always trash the Browns even after we make them cry (will always love the pic of Ward crying).

J. W. - October 13, 2010 reply

If you ignore him, he’ll go away.

the_fox_and_the_browns - October 11, 2010 reply

They won’t bench Ben. If you watched Batch play, he really was not impressive. He just played well enough not to screw the defense. The “big” game he had, two of his passes, and the majority of his yardage, were thrown into double coverage and we got a lucky bounce.

All reports I heard from preseason camp was that Ben was miles ahead of all 4 QBs in every drill. Just sharper, more accurate, and all around better. I think it would take 4 picks and the game out of reach for them to pull Ben.

John Stephens - October 12, 2010 reply

What about Dawson?

He had a 108 passer rating last year

We need to bring Tommy Tupa out of retirement: punt/QB duties.

Mary Kay Cabot of the Plain Dealer reported that Delhomme re-injured his ankle and now has a high and low ankle sprain. Delhomme is scheduled to undergo an MRI today.

This is exactly what I was saying in the game thread. It was a bad decision to put Delhomme in with a possibility to re-aggravate the injury. Look what happened.

No not a good call….So with the game still in the chance to win column you would put in the #3 rookie who has had no meaningful snaps since rookie introduction week into the game? Delhomme is a vet & simply put the best player available into the game & let them try to make plays. That said Delhomme knew his ankle was in bad shape as he jogged (limpishly) off the field asap to get that injection at halftime.

On the brighter side, Colt McCoy is far superior to Max Hall who beat the Saints yesterday. In fairness, he was benefited with 2 fumbles for TDs and an intercept for TD. We will need similiar eeriness to win. Maybe special teams breakout, and a rusty Ben mistake.

Colt McCoy is far superior to Max Hall who beat the Saints yesterday.

1. Hall didn’t beat the Saints. The Cardinals defense did.

2. Hall played a lot with the first team prior to yesterday, but Colt hasn’t played with our first team at all.

3. I hope you are right that Colt is better but just because he was drafted higher (or, at all) does not mean he is better.

Also, Hall has weapons at his disposal. McCoy would have had a hobbled Hillis and our receiving corps.

Colt could not have lost the game anymore than Jake did. I know hindsight is 20-20, but Jake was a big time bust yesterday.

It’s a lose-lose. Had we put Colt in, Delhomme would be on his way to getting better. Instead, his injury is worse than it was before. However, putting Delhomme in did give us a better chance to win.

I disagree with this statement. Delhomme is average when healthy. He was worthless injured. Playing Colt wouldn’t give us a better chance at winning, but at least we could see what he can do under adverse conditions.

why would we want to ruin another young quarterback like that? I don’t want to see what he can do at all this year, much less under adverse conditions.

with Wallace down we had no other choice. he couldn’t play and it wouldn’t be smart to throw colt in. If colt sucks and we want to put delhomme in even if he is injured, I don’t think we could because colt was our emergency QB

Good call Emily. Seems this is an area that Eric suffers in. Completely bungled the Favre deal with NYJ – struggling here as well.

I disagree on Favre and I doubt that Holmgren would have wanted to see Mangini put Colt in to the game if JD was capable of going in. I honestly think we would have gone full wildcat before putting Colt in on Sunday.

Chicago lost Cutler and won with a backup QB that had a 6 rating, throwing like 4 picks. Arizona won with rookie Max Hall. New England lost Brady and Cassel has a great year. We lose a Jake Delhomme – no big deal.

I’m confused by your comment. I’m saying that I think Holmgren would prefer to see JD go into the game before an unprepared unactivated Colt McCoy. Not that Colt couldn’t perform. I also like Max Hall.

I agree with your point that Delhomme was a better choice in the Falcon game. He had supposedly been practicing – so I was particularly surprised how poorly he played. Much of his poor play could well be a tip of the hat to the Falcons D that smelled blood in the water when they didn´t have to worry about Seneca´s mobility.

uhh….Daboll is our OC. this is a big deal.

Monsters of the Midway - October 12, 2010 reply

1) Hall has been at least 2nd on the depth chart since the start of the season. Chicago had a whole week of practice to prepare their backup (who was then pulled).

2) The Browns are not on par with the 2008 New England Patriots ( I can’t believe I had to type this). And again, Cassel was a backup, not a third stringer.

3) And the main take away here is that Arizona and Chicago’s defenses won the games for them. The Browns D is solid but it’s not producing points and winning games.

Shout out to Rob Ryan. Doing it with mirrors. Has kept us in every game with marginal talent. Starting safeties have zero intercepts and 1 pass defensed. Corners weak and thin. I expect the same thing vs. Steelers.

We have a young secondary minus Sheldon. Elam needs to be upgraded, but the pass D has been good 3 out of 5 games.

Has anyone heard anything on why we didn’t throw a Hail Mary right before halftime?

I imagine we were just happy to be up 7-6 and we did not want to risk a negative play. I felt it was stupid as well, but prolly not a big deal.

No, but if Delhomme was incapable of rolling out due to his ankle (I usually see QB’s roll out a tiny bit on the heaves), it probably would’ve been risky to have him stand in the pocket and see a strip or (short) pick happen.

I still would’ve wanted a try at least though.

Chris Pokorny - October 11, 2010 reply

This is what I am thinking. Just throw it up. In this PI-happy league you never know what will happen.

That’s how Cutler beat the Packers.

And how Stafford beat the Browns.

Kurt Warner?

If he wouldn’t come back to help Arizona’s QB situation, then he’s not going to any other team.

Chris Pokorny - October 11, 2010 reply

I know, just joking. But slightly more serious, Jeff Garcia?

He fits our offense better now probably than during his original reign I’d imagine. I’d support anyone the Browns had under center, but I just don’t expect it to be Garcia given the history and our record. Although he did try to play for Oakland before the season (or was that the year before?)

Chris Pokorny - October 11, 2010 reply

I don’t think Garcia can sign with a team til November

The naome40 - October 12, 2010 via mobile reply

I watched him in his UFL game and he looked awful.

HenryDawg - October 11, 2010 via mobile reply

I think he would want to play for a contender at this point. He fits the system, but I just don’t think he would come here. I would be in favor of Josh McCown. He is tearing up the UFL, plus when he was in the NFL, he was a good career backup like seneca.

Garcia would go anywhere he had a chance to play, e.g. The UFL

HenryDawg - October 11, 2010 via mobile reply

True. I don’t think he would necessarily say ‘no’ to an NFL team where he can essentially walk in and start simply because they happen to be playing the steelers that week.

johnnyphoenix - October 11, 2010 reply

I dunno. I see him in the UFL as trying to try out for a competitor. If he would go here, I would be fine with that I guess…

However, i don’t think he would and there are guys right now in the UFL playing better, namely McCown and Culpepper…who are both also younger.

Garcia is awful. He’s not in the UFL on accident people. Besides – he hated playing in Cleveland before so I doubt he would want to come back. Especially to be cannon fodder to the Stealers.

Browns> UFL.

This doesn’t matter regardless since McCoy is now the future but still.

apparently our offensive line sucks now (3 injuries to 2 QB ankles), which makes putting an old, statuesque guy like warner something akin to sub-optimal.

but seriously … wtf is going on w/ joe thomas and steinbach? the line played well against balti and cincy, but tb/kc/atl have all abused our line, and thomas in particular (i believe all 3 qb injuries have come off the left side).

does 73 suck now?

/overreaction

QBs getting hurt=/=Bad O-Line. In fact, in pass protection we were rated top 5 going into this week.

No. only Atlanta seriously abused our line. Our line was fine against TB and KC.

I definitely agree that it would be an overreaction. just one bad game.

I can’t believe I’m saying this, but I think Ratliff would be the best choice if Wallace can’t go.

This whole conversation is just depressing.

Chemo - October 11, 2010 reply

This.

Citing a league source, the Cleveland Plain Dealer reports that Seneca Wallace has been diagnosed with a high right ankle sprain.
The Browns plan to put Wallace on an “aggressive rehabilitation program” to try to get him ready to start at Pittsburgh in Week 6, but that seems like quite a long shot. Wallace’s strengths are his ability to move outside the pocket and create with his legs. He won’t be able to with a high ankle sprain. The Plain Dealer suggests that the Browns might sign longtime Eric Mangini favorite Brett Ratliff off the Patriots’ practice squad.

Rotoworld.

at least Ratliff can lead a fourth quarter drive.

someone’s going to have to define what an ‘agressive’ rehab program would be, and if that works why wouldn’t that just be regular rehab?

It probably involves jumping into rehab that wouldn’t normally be attempted until the injury has healed to a certain point (e.g. “can walk without pain”).

It isn’t normal rehab because it probably involves a certain amount of discomfort and a risk of furthering the injury/slowing healing/setting the athlete back in rehab.

High ankle sprains are pretty nasty.

I thought that the UFL contract was binding and that those guys have to finish the regular season at least. That’d rule out Garcia and Culpepper.

Im contractually obligated to say we should go get Brodie Croyle.

It would be interesting to see someone challenge that clause though.

No ones ever challenged the Croyle Mancrush Clause before.

Ha.

haha…

Considering whose out there, I would go after him if we can’t get a UFL guy.

Croyle in his weaknesses reminds me a lot of wallace. He is indecisive, holds onto the ball too long, not great at reading a D or going through his progressions, not great at calling audibles.

However, croyle can be accurate, athletic and have nice zip on the ball (like wallace)

Croyle’s also 6’2. His contract is up at the end of this year and I dont think KC’s gonna try and keep him, so they might think about trading him just to get some value out of him as opposed to just letting him fly.

I thought you were implying that they released him or something.

If we can get him for cheap and the UFL guys are off limits, i wouldn’t mind.

I thought that the UFL contract was binding and that those guys have to finish the regular season at least.

That a contract is “binding” is the very definition of a contract — if it is not binding then it is just a gratuitous set of promises that are not enforceable in a court. The fact that UFL contracts are binding does not mean that the player can’t sign with the NFL. If an NFL team wants to sign a UFL player, it can buy the contract directly from the UFL team and then sign the player to an NFL-compliant contract. Or the team can sign the player directly and, as part of the signing, contract with the player to indemnify them for damages the player must pay for breaching the contract. What cannot happen is that a court could order a player to play for the UFL team — the 13th Amendment to the US Constitution does not allow the State to order people to work. In another world, the court could order the player to play for no one but that would not happen in the real world where courts don’t like to do that.

If the UFL really wanted to keep their players from the NFL, I think they could. Aren’t non-compete clauses generally enforceable? (I could be wrong, its been years since I’ve taken Employment law).

Binding in practice as opposed to in theory.

Players get in and out of long-term “binding” contracts regularly. Didn’t realize it was such a sensitive issue for you.

lawyer

Yeah contracts in sports shouldn’t be called contracts because they are very often not adhered to.

they are also not legally binding. a team couldn’t take a player to court over his contract. they could punish him according to the CBA, which is legally binding, but if an NFL player wanted to go play in canada, I’m pretty sure the NFL has no legal recourse other than fining him.

Again I ask, aren’t non-compete clauses common practice… and enforceable at law?

Ryan Kelsey - October 12, 2010 reply

but completely and utterly negotiable.

DontCallMeJoey - October 12, 2010 reply

of course. They can be bought out, but it doesn’t mean they don’t exist.

Ryan Kelsey - October 12, 2010 reply

you are correct, they are common and enforceable.

this was assuming the two leagues don’t have any type of agreement. A player’s contract is not a legally binding document.

notthatnoise - October 13, 2010 reply

Yes it is.

Ryan Kelsey - October 13, 2010 reply

No, it’s not.

I don’t see how Coffee could of just retired whenever the hell he pleased then. the word “contract” is just a term in all this.

SpecialBrownie - October 13, 2010 reply

I’m not going to explain contract law to you.

sorry SB, you’re wrong on this one.

Dawg Nuts - October 14, 2010 reply

Sounds like what I’ve been hearing about in corporate America when companies default on loans. I think the word ‘contract’ is just a placebo in many cases.

JustBob - October 12, 2010 reply

Ratty all the way.

+1

If they start Ratliffe over Colt this team is truly pathetic.

It would be ridiculously stupid to put McCoy in there.

There is so much less pressure for a young QB when he has to start because of injury rather than because of the starters poor performance so I would love to see Colt start if Wallace can’t, just wish it wasn’t against the steelers. I really wish we had Troy Smith right now.

HenryDawg - October 11, 2010 via mobile reply

Ooo… Troy Smith… Any chance we could get him from the Ravens? That’d be an intriguing option.

Didn’t the Ravens ship him elsewhere?

He’s behind Smith and Carr on the niners depth chart, I think.

Yes, I wonder if they would give him up. The Ravens cut him before the season. Honestly he would be the best option for the niners and he would be a great pickup for us. He’s like Wallace, but played better in college.

the Niners have a depth chart?

this would be worse than starting ratliff. by far.

Dawg Nuts - October 11, 2010 reply

I almost wish the Browns could actually get Troy Smith one of these years, so that he could flame out quickly and everybody would stop talking about him.

Chemo - October 13, 2010 reply

This.

I won’t stop talking about him. He was the best QB to play for my favorite NCAA team in my life time and possible the entire storied program. He is also from Cleveland, and I believe has stated how special it would be if he ever got the chance to play with the Browns.

Would his size and skills translate to NFL success? Until I’m shown otherwise, I think he could be at least as good as Seneca Wallace and probably closer to Doug Flutie. But that doesn’t matter. As long as we are having to match offers to make sure we have Brett freaking Ratliff on the roster, anyone with an arm and two legs is a candidate to get a spot on our QB depth chart.

Ryan Kelsey - October 13, 2010 reply

great point. well said.

he would probably be the best qb the browns have had on the roster since they returned if he joined the team tomorrow.

/low bar

DontCallMeJoey - October 13, 2010 reply

he would not be better than Tim Couch was.

Dawg Nuts - October 14, 2010 reply

I’m totally against the Browns signing anyone from Cleveland, the Cleveland area, or Ohio State to play quarterback. Between the nauseating ‘hometown hero’ stories and three years worth of the homers in the stands on Sundays chanting for Quinn, I’m through with local talent.

Also: Troy Smith wasn’t all that great. Ted Ginn won that Heisman for him.

golanbatrac - October 13, 2010 reply

Quinn is from the Columbus area, I’m pretty sure right?

Yeah, I meant to include ‘lifelong Browns fans’ in the list of people I don’t want as quarterback.

golanbatrac - October 14, 2010 reply

So you hated Kosar I assume, correct?

I can honestly say I don’t want Bernie Kosar as our starting QB, so I agree with golan.

Dawg Nuts - October 14, 2010 reply

Did I say anything about the present?

Kosar was a Browns fan before he became our starting QB.

Troy Smith was that great. Ted Ginn was a guy that could run fast in a straight line. Nothing more.

Which is why in the NFL, his return abilty>>>>>>>>>>>>than his WR skills.

that could run extremely fast in a straight line

rufio - October 14, 2010 reply

Also, prediction: if Pryor is not dumb and stays his senior year, he will be better than Smith.

rufio - October 14, 2010 reply

I think Pryor understands that his Senior year is vital to his eventual Pro days.

Western Reserve - October 14, 2010 reply

Yes, good point, I agree.

Definitely has the potential to be better than Smith.

Though I think the Smith story has a special mystique in that he came in as a 3 star “athlete” last recruit signed in his class that returned kicks and played special teams as a freshman to playing three incredibly games against Michigan, winning a Heisman and leading the team to a National title game.

His extra 5 inches of height and his 4.3 speed give him a significant advantage from the start. He’s built like an NFL quarterback.

woodsmeister - October 15, 2010 reply

very true.

Western Reserve - October 14, 2010 reply

Appeal to emotion much?

Eh, its the lawyer in me or maybe the political guy in me. I’ve never tried a case before a jury, but if I did…

Western Reserve - October 15, 2010 reply

Haha. Hey, fair enough. You obviously like the guy and have some fond memories. I think any sports fan can relate to that.

Fallacy Alert.

bross09 - October 14, 2010 reply

I’ve been waiting for a team to give him a chance, to see what he can do. I think he would work out in cleveland but it would be rough for him to just jump right in.

MkBrwn - October 12, 2010 reply

He’s in San Francisco now. Heck, he might be in line to play there at this point! What about Kellen Clemens?

Troy Smith, that is. Reply fail.

It doesnt matter now....

At 3:37 pm Colt McCoy was named the starter…..

this should be interesting….

davus - October 11, 2010 reply

this could be painful….please Football Gods dont let McCoy get Tim Couched…..or David Carr’d

Ratty will be the starter come week 7.

I am so happy that our team has enough confidence to do this. I thought for sure they’ld puss out and start Ratliffe.

this is a mistake.

Brett Ratliff – QB – CLE
Browns signed QB Brett Ratliff off the Patriots’ practice squad. Oct. 11 – 3:35 pm et.

from the rotoworld thingy.

davus - October 11, 2010 reply

So who’s getting waived or released now?

probably one of the linebackers. maybe titus brown?

davus - October 11, 2010 reply

I’d bet it’s Aiken.

Agree

W00F! Ratty FTW!

He’s signed to back up McCoy.

Ratliff backing up a starting McCoy! Wow, forget everything we learned about the passing game in the last 5 weeks.

Geez. Go figure we take McCoy to have him sit for a year and now he’s going to have to start Sunday probably.

I don’t care all that much about this week’s game (note: a big, fat lie), but what does it mean for Colt’s development? I’m worried that it won’t be good.

Also! A little strange that Mangini is already announcing which of the two will start. He never does that.

I don’t think Mangini announced that. I think Ratliff did.

Ugh, I know. I guess we can just hope that he does alright and doesn’t lose the game for us.

Hey, maybe he’ll do decently. You never know.

I;m not certain that he will have the chance to lose the game, even if he starts…

9James - October 12, 2010 reply

this is where I am. I don’t like it because I don’t think its necessarily good for McCoy. And that is frankly more important than this game. But it doesn’t sound like we have a choice.

It would be worse for him if we said we are going to sign someone else rather than let him play. He’s third on the depth chart because we thought he was the third best guy available to start.

He’s third on the depth chart because we thought he was the third best guy available to start.

I’m not sure that’s true. he certainly didn’t out-perform Ratliff in the preseason, I think the reason McCoy stuck on the team was because he’s younger than Ratliff and has a higher ceiling. neither of those things make him a better option to start sunday.

but from what we have seen with ratliff, if he was the 3rd best guy available and colt was 4th (in the preseason) the difference was marginal at best.

That wasn’t my point. my point was that you can’t assume McCoy is a better option to start this week just because he stuck on the roster.

I agree that he didn’t really outperform ratliff was mostly kept because of his higher season, but at the same time ratliff didn’t really outperform him.

You need to lay off the booze.

Chemo - October 13, 2010 reply

drugs are bad.

notthatnoise - October 13, 2010 reply

really? (and above to Chemo)

So I am on drugs b/c ratliff was not clearly the better QB IMO?

He was pedestrian at best this preseason and last season he was just bad. the only time he has looked at all like he could be a competent NFL starter was when he was with the Jets and played here.

bross09 - October 13, 2010 reply

He is also like 10 times the athlete.

he can probably run faster than Ratliff, but have you seen Ratliff’s arm? he had the best arm on the team in camp. McCoy has a very good chance of turning out better than Ratliff, but as of a month or two ago he wasn’t there yet.

He wasn’t there but was close.

yes, the difference between the two was negligible.

He has run in the 4.6 range and is very mobile. I too am unsure of his arm strength. But if his arm is adequate – he has all the athletic skills and intangibles to be an extremely good QB. I am hoping that Holmgren personally verified his arm strength before drafting.

This experience and his development depend on his mental fortitude. Any QB worth his salt would take this opportunity, success or complete failure, and learn loads from it. If a failure this week derails his development then we’ve got a roster spot being poorly utilized.

Browns town - October 11, 2010 reply

This.

Great point.

I’m thinking real game experience in this particular situation is going to be nothing but good for McCoy’s development. He’ll get real game-speed experience and the expectations are low, low, low. Coming in for injuries is a lot different then being named the starter over other players at the first of the year or after poor performance by someone. I say this will help us to know if he can cut it and this is something that would be NICE to know this year. Not that we can make any definite decisions but we’ll know more than we did before. Look for a highly simplified offense (not that it has been particularly complicated to this point).

It happens, let’s see how he does

I’d be lying if I said I wasn’t a little bit excited about it. That excitement will probably be gone at 1:01 on Sunday.

Haha, we need to keep reminding ourselves no matter what happens, he is a rookie so either he’ll impress us with an average or better performance or he’ll totally suck and we’ll remind ourselves that he’s a rookie and our veterans don’t play much better.

We’ll see a Mangini running game.
He’s won with it before.
Colt can handoff as well as Quinn and DA, no?

tribe71 - October 11, 2010 reply

I’m just not so sure we’re healthy enough at RB to win like that…

If we protect him, give him short throws, build his confidence early, keep him on the move and run the ball right down the Steelers throat, we can win this game. Hell, we beat these scrubs with Quinn last season.

Ugh, I am not a fan of shortening the throwing game to keep everything from -5 to 5 yards from the line of scrimmage. We saw that gameplan last year at times, and it was a disaster.

That’s been our gameplan with Wallace under center.

That seems like our gameplan with everyone except DA.

Because DA has been the only QB we’ve had that has a legit arm. Besides Ratty.

Agreed.

I am really interested in seeing how Colt does. I can’t imagine that there would be much pressure on Colt, besides the whole first start thing, because I can’t honestly say that we’ve gotten much out of the QB position this year anyway.

I’m much more interested in seeing Colt play this week, than seeing us lose by field goals every week. Not that i wanted Colt to play this year, but i I think it will at least provide some football excitement. With as well as our D and running game has been these injuries could be a good thing. We could quite possibly get a chance to see if our running game can carry the team like they did at the end of last year and we can also see how well our D can hold up under extreme pressure

Polamalu vs McCoy. Not feeling good about this.

Polamalu vs ~~McCoy~~ any of our QBs. Not feeling good about this.

If nothing else, we’ll get to see just how resilient the kid is.

Western Reserve - October 11, 2010 reply

We’re screwed.

has anyone noticed how quiet Holmgren & Heckert have been so far?

Holmgren needs a couple of days after every home game to recover. Chasing tailgaters from the lots at 5 AM will take a lot out of a guy his age. If Heckert’s in the building, he’s not doing his job.

Anyone know if the muni lots seriously didn’t open until 7? I saw that one report and haven’t heard anything else. I was supposed to be up there tailgating yesterday, but plans changed.

Not too surprising. Holmgren is probably letting Mangini play this year out (or at least first 2/3 of the year), and then will evaluate Mangini and staff quite closely.

Oh man the guy on the radio was just talking about how we could have had Sanchez.

ignore him. he is trolling for lulz

bloodfin?

huh?

A few of the broadcasters are going to say that. Honestly, I never cared much for Sanchez nor did I really think he was top first round material. I would have liked getting a little more for our team than what we did when we sent the 5’th pick to NYJ, but I think most everyone here would agree that getting Alex Mack was a great pick-up for the team.

BrownDawg1409 - October 11, 2010 reply

On the bright side, if Colt leads us to victory, he could quickly become a hero.

North Coast Flea - October 11, 2010 reply

This

great, then even if he sucked the rest of his career we would have people clamoring for him to start every game, just like Quinn.

A few comments on WFNY put it nicely.

“I’m getting nauseated by all the overwrought hand-wringing here. McCoy’s a big boy. He’s not the first rookie to fill in for an injured starter and he won’t be the last. Some of you guys are in serious need of a grip. We’re not supposed to win this game anyway, so what’s the big deal? Calm down, already.”

“We have the Steelers right where we want them.” (I just put that one in because it made me laugh.)

“I think we can all agree that this is earlier than any of us wanted to see McCoy, but it’s reality so we might as well embrace things. At least he’ll have a full week of practice to prepare, the coaches can game plan with him in mind, and there is really no pressure because no one expects the Browns to win or for him to even survive against the Steeler D. So, Colt gets a big taste of life in the NFL this weekend. As long as he doesn’t get mentally or physically scarred, this could be a good thing.”

We have the Steelers right where we want them.

Was the username mooncamping?

Browns town - October 11, 2010 reply

Haha no.

At least he’ll have a full week of practice to prepare, the coaches can game plan with him in mind

this is an important point.

+ like a million

especially since the Steelers have been game planning for not Mccoy for a week.

we tricked them!

Emily522… Right on the nose! I was going to say the exact thing. Of course no one wanted McCoy to be playing this soon, especially against the Steelers, but he is our best option at this point if Wallace can’t go. Lets just hope Hillis is ok, and if not, Harrison and Davis has got to step it up. And the o-line, which was non existant last Sunday has to do thier jobs and protect McCoy, and open holes. Defense needs to pick it up too, even though they have played pretty well so far this season. It’s the Steelers!, anything can happen.

RUSSELL S - October 11, 2010 reply

Did we quit when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?! Hell no! Guess what Browns fans? We’re going to win on Sunday.

Run the ball. Colt McCoy controls the game with short passing. Josh Cribbs is a huge part of the gameplan in the Flash package.

Let our defense punch the Steelers in the mouth. TJ Ward dents Hines Ward’s helmet with a huge hit. We force turnovers from a rusty Big Ben.

We turn this season around. We’re good. It’s Steeler week.

I agree – there’s no reason we can’t pull out a victory on Sunday. We have been playing well on defense – if we keep the TOs to a minimum we have a chance at a W. Worst-case scenario, we at least get a look a Colt.

Is this the week that Cribbs has a return for 6? Can Fujita score another sack/fumble combo? Will Kenyon Coleman continue to be in the right place at the right time? Can we make it 3 blocked FGs in 3 games? Stay tuned Browns fans.

LMAO @ the Germans bombing Pearl Harbor.

da36chamberz - October 11, 2010 reply

there’s no reason we can’t pull out a victory on Sunday

well, there are lots of reasons we can’t pull out a victory on Sunday, but i like the optimism.

what’s the over under on snaps w/ cribbs at qb? 10? 12.5?

all I can say is – Upsets: they happen

da36chamberz - October 11, 2010 reply

Weren’t there like 4 of them last weekend? More?

cribbs at qb

should take about 20….and throw deep a couple times

JDawg in Cbus - October 12, 2010 reply

Cribbs can’t throw deep in the NFL.

Cribbs couldn’t throw deep at Kent St.

troy145 - October 12, 2010 reply

There, apparently, is a trend of KSU QBs becoming good WRs…

yep…

they were both dual threats too (and Julian Edelman I think broke a lot of Cribbs’ KSU records)

REC

Not only do I totally agree with this, but the reference made me laugh.

Monsters of the Midway - October 11, 2010 reply

Did we quit when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?

Germans?….Forget it, he’s rolling.

haha, it’s monday night and i’m ready for some optimism! Thank you Bernie.

You guys wont like this, but Saban made the same comparison in his first year as HC at Alabama when the Tide dropped their homecoming game to UL-Monroe.

In the words of the great Jon Foreman: “Failure and opposition award us opportunities that success and support cannot.”

Well, in that case we have plenty of opportunities, I guess.

johnnyphoenix - October 11, 2010 reply

Now your gettin it.

Big Ben won’t be playing. He’ll get suspended after a night of making it rain on Saturday.

REC.

I was wondering when someone was going to bring that quote up again.

BrownDawg1409 - October 11, 2010 reply

cribbs runs one..(two?) back.

Yup. Let’s get it on!

rocking back and forth in the corner of my room.

Brownie's Year - October 11, 2010 reply

you know what? forget it, the people saying McCoy should be ok are right. If he gets his ass handed to him sunday so what? if he can’t handle it then he won’t be around for the super bowl anyway.

Right. I hope we get to see the 2nd Coming of Bernie, but if we see rookie level competence orchestrating ‘fat ass up the middle’, I’ll be content.

tribe71 - October 11, 2010 reply

You know what, I think Colt is gonna do just fine. He may have some rough patches and make some mistakes, but I think he is gonna surprise us.

I’m kind of hesitant to think this too. Hoping for the best! And really, he’s facing little to no pressure to deliver a win. We’re not expected to win and frankly, he’s expected to crap his pants.

People talk about Tebow wanting to prove the doubters wrong. I bet Colt is the same way. And if not, he doesn’t belong on any NFL roster.

Not to mention that his facing the best defense in the NFL. Anything else after that will feel much, much slower.

Not to mention that his facing the best ~~defense~~ safety in the NFL. Anything else after that will feel much, much slower.

That D is nothing without Polamolu.

Isn’t Polamalu playing?

I assume the best D to be well rounded, not heavy on one position.

I’d do not consider them the best but definitely a good measuring stick for Colt.

One player does not make a defense great. The Steelers are much more than just Polamalu.

Buckeye Brad - October 11, 2010 reply

No, they really aren’t.

Polamolu does indeed make that D great.

Who cares if they need Polomolu. He makes the rest of his team better just by being on the field. Whether or not they need Polamolu, he’ll be there Sunday, most likely giving us fits.

By the way, I don’t know how to spell Palomulu, so…yea.

it’s spelled: kotnkus (sp)

Over my head.

sorry about that … i haven’t been here in a while, and that was a joke that bounced around here about a year ago.

Wow, you are new.

Since about a month before the draft.

I didn’t know this wonderful site existed before that.

I feel like you’ve been here longer.

Ha I swear I haven’t. I actually just looked at my join date since you had me second guessing myself. March 17, so not even a month before.

I guess I just talk a lot (if ya haven’t noticed).

I would too if I was stuck in PA…

It’s not a bad thing. I’ve been here a year and have 6,000 comments… mostly from game threads though.

You trump me and I’ve been here a year and a half o.0

You have 8,000

Trump as in comments/time/

Let’s call it even guys.

? We aren’t arguing if that’s what you’re alluding to/

It was supposed to be a joke. Got to love the internet.

Hm, maybe that sarcasm font had some merit…

Guess I have some catching up to do.

go to the archives and check out the DBN Glossary post. it’ll help out.

Are you seriously that new?

kotnkus(sp?) is a joke on how to spell, well, kotnkus(sp?) while he was GM.

For all two days of it.

I’m fairly hog certain you’re too new to understand it…

Rec

Their defensive production did suffer last year without him. They’re D was still good but not as good.

They were #5 in overall defense last year

And what does that mean, exactly?

And yet, they let the Browns roll them last year and, as a result, they spent January golfing.

woodsmeister - October 12, 2010 reply

Of course they won’t be as good without him, that’s undeniable. But to suggest that their entire defense is good only because of him is simply ridiculous. They have plenty of other good players on their defense and a great coordinator.

Buckeye Brad - October 11, 2010 reply

Polamalu is capable of doing things that make that entire defense better. He literally opens up options that no other player besides Ed Reed can provide a defense.

My guess is that (taking SB’s typical hyperbole into account) this was more or less the original point. Of course you are right to disagree with the hyperbole, but you are arguing with seriousness against someone who is not being serious.

golan and anyone interested, but Eric Wright’s dad is over at the OBR making excuses and throwing our safeties under the bus trying to absolve his son from his bad plays. It’s a pretty entertaining read.

OBR His tag is nickelbacker.

I can’t believe he likes that crappy band. Or maybe he feels that should be his son’s new position?

RECtified

Adrock2099 - October 11, 2010 reply

Awesome. Thanks for the link.

thats really his dad?

I think his responses initially were not too far off the target, the conversation deteriorated into semantics and people arguing about different things though.

I disagree with his belief that Haden has to be starting right away or else he is a reach. 100% disagree

This. Pretty stupid argument. He doesn’t need to worry, Haden will be starting ahead of his boy soon.

Yeah but he said if Haden was good enough he would be fine if he had came in and started over Wright.

Corner from my experience watching is not a position where you come in right away and succeed in the pros.

My response above was directed towards the he doesn’t need to worry, Haden will be starting ahead of his boy soon.

I don’t think he stated he would have a problem with that. He actually stated he would expect that and would be fine with it.

I know I read it, and I agreed that I disagreed.

I’m thinking you’re missing the point of my response.

This is what he said in regards to Haden taking Wright’s spot.

I wouldn’t have a problem if joe coming in from day 1 and started over Eric.

Ok, but I don’t think that just because he didn’t start over him day 1 he is a reach.

That’s fine I was just saying in that response that’s not what I was saying or addressing. I think Haden was a good pick, but do I wish we could have gotten a player that could have had a greater impact this season? Yeah, but I don’t really see who we would have taken who would have done so. Do I think we should have moved up like he says? No, I would have much rather preferred to move down, but even then I still think I like getting Haden where we got him.

I don’t think Haden is a for sure reach like Mr. Wright does, but I also think after Berry was selected we were stuck in no mans land with our pick and that Haden was the best available player and that’s why we took him.

Haden has been soo close to a couple picks. Give him some time, he’ll make his plays.

Oh I believe in Haden, don’t worry about that. I actually think we’ll see him start getting more chances to play out wide here coming up.

As he develops, it will be nice to see how we can rotate these guys. Got to believe in Rex.

You mean Rob.

Dammit, I’m watching the Jets.

I liked seeing him get a chance on TO. I also liked seeing his special team play this week. I think he’s contributing more and more each week and with so many teams going with 3 receiver sets I think it allows Haden to get valuable experience on the field playing.

I get sick of hearing how he shouldn’t be playing special teams. Did you hear the announcers ask why he was on special teams on the first kick off last week?

I think when you have a guy making plays, you play him.

Yea, I would question it if he weren’t absolutely awesome on teams.

I think he overextended himself on that point.

I think he was trying to say that he felt we had two quality corners, which is definitely a very debatable view, and that it was a corner heavy draft so he felt that we didn’t need to reach for any corner at 7 and that if we were going to do so that corner should be starting over what we have or he believes in essence we drafted a nickel back at 7.

I think we drafted more than a nickel guy in Haden and that yes we have two guys that are pretty good at corner. I also think Haden will take one of the two corner spots by next season at the latest. However I can see his point that he feels we should have gotten a player who could have an “impact” this year at the 7 position.

I think he just poorly worded his view and mixed in some debatable “opinion” as fact, which some jumped on because he’s Wrights father, instead of really addressing what he was saying.

I guess where he is wrong is that Heckert is not looking for the best guy for THIS season and he shouldn’t be. It should be a longer-term view.

Yeah that’s kind of what I just said in response to SiP above. I think Mr. Wright’s view is clouded by his evaluation of his son’s talent. However I do think he has a point that it would have been preferable to get a guy that is the best for this season and the long-term. Meaning a more immediate impact. Unfortunately I don’t think that guy was available at our position which makes his serves to seriously undermine his point in the context of discussing whether or not we reached on Haden.

Which by the way, if I remember correctly, there were many people who were against taking Haden at 7 if we were unable to get Berry. Which was my whole point in saying that initially his comments weren’t that far off target.

~~makes his~~

I think we blitz the hell out of Ben this week. Even more than we’ve been doing so far this year, if it’s possible.

I suggest everyone find Moon’s photo montage of Colt McCoy to get themselves pumped for Sunday.

You’re all welcome.

Ha thank you Emily.

Wow, I forgot about this. Amazing.

Ryan Kelsey - October 12, 2010 reply

Check this, Colt McCoy and a speed boat

Classic.

Hahaha!

Colt McCoy brings heaven to earth.

That would be a bass fishing boat. Maybe it’s bigger and faster in Texas though…but on Lake Erie that’s a bass boat.

Bass boats go as fast if not faster than cigar boats.

It can be deemed a speed boat.

Joshua Cribbs as Quarterback???

A possibility? He played QB in college and runs the wildcat a bit. He should know the system till maybe Wallace gets back or McCoy is ready? THOUGHTS???

champion64 - October 11, 2010 reply

No. Give him some snaps at QB in the Wildcat though.

why not though? He can run, he can throw and he knows the offense? At least he is more of a total threat that McCoy (not saying he is a legitimate threat, but more so than McCoy I would be or another Quarterback not used to the system)

champion64 - October 11, 2010 reply

Cribbs can’t throw at the pro level.

He already throws at the pro level. He plays quarterback from time to time. It is a stop gap measure taken till Wallace gets back or McCoy or another Quarterback gets up to speed

champion64 - October 11, 2010 reply

“From time to time” are the key words.

Let’s play all of the QBs on our roster before resorting to Cribbs.

He’s thrown 11 passes at the Pro level in six seasons.

I hardly call that anything to go off of.

while this goes against my KSU QB love, aren’t at least two of those 11 INTs?

I think so.

He doesn’t throw well at the pro level — that’s what is important.

Buckeye Brad - October 11, 2010 reply

No. Josh Cribbs hasn’t lined up at QB consistently for 5 years now. Even when he was a College QB, he wasn’t a particularly good one and might not have been able to make an Arena Football team with his QB skills. honestly, he is in the NFL for his speed and his physical skills.

The good news about Colt is that people have been underestimating him his entire life. He will be focused on getting his job done and not worrying about the idiocy pouring from the south end of people´s mouths.

You’re going to have a good week here.

I don’t get it. Sanchez and Stafford started as rookies. Bradford and Clauson are starting and an un-drafted rookie was able to keep Arizona in the game enough to pull out a win against the Saints. We are talking about the QB with the most victories in NCAA history getting a start here. The kid is no dummy, can make plays with his legs and has a mountain of intangibles….he wins. Give him a shot.

Keep in mind that it is possible he didn’t have success in the preseason because he was not given the full amount of plays even the “normal” #3 QB would have gotten. The coaching staff for some reason chose to waste 1/2 of Colt’s opportunities on Ratliff – who had almost zero chance to make the team from the minute Colt was signed. He stuck around because he was a Mangini guy. McCoy never had the opportunity to get into a rhythm in a game until very late in the pre-season. When he did – he was improving.

We are overprotective by nature just form the experiences of Couch and Quinn. Neither of which had the kind of collegiate career that McCoy had. If he comes in and gets knocked around a bit and is surprised by the speed of the game – maybe in this case it’s a good thing. He has said he’s ready to play – maybe he gets knocked down a couple of pegs. Maybe he’s mildly successful and plays next week against the Saints as well, giving Delhomme and Wallace a couple of weeks to heal.

Start McCoy, back him p with Ratty and make damn sure there’s a healthy dose of Flash package thrown in. All the more reason to get excited about Browns / Steelers week!

GO BROWNS

DaveDawg09 - October 11, 2010 reply

I’m also optimistic, but I think you’re wildly exaggerating the relevance of his team’s wins in college to his potential success in the NFL.

I would be lying if I said I wasn’t excited about Colt starting. I’m scared about it but very excited.

This.

yeah, I would prefer we had a better option, but I do think it’s pretty exciting.

OT: Was Mitchell inactive last Sunday or did he just do crap?

I thought he was injured – but his name does not appear on this weeks injury report at all. I haven’t located the game day roster yet – I don’t recall seeing him on the field.

DaveDawg09 - October 11, 2010 reply

He was inactive.

I’m a Longhorns’ fan, so of course I’m rooting for Colt to do great, though it’s unlikely. I hope he can hold his own and at least tread water. And we can only pray that Hillis is healthy, he should sit out of practice this week to be ready to save our ass Sunday.

So as a Longhorns fan do you believe that his success at the college level will not translate to the NFL?

Random, but if you look at Colt’s facebook fan page there are a ton of people wishing him luck. He’s definitely missed. That’s for sure.

I honestly don’t know. I just don’t think you can assume that because he was a successful college QB he’ll be a success in the NFL. It’s a different ball game.

What I did see in college was some insane accuracy. What I’m worried about is arm strength. College CB’s aren’t as fast as NFL CB’s, as Colt may soon learn.

Long story short, I don’t know, but I’ll be the happiest Browns fan in the world if Colt turns out to be the answer to our prayers. Yes, happier than therealmccoy, who’s gone around here making Longhorns’ fans look like idiots.

I do think he did show an intangible leadership quality that I never saw from Brady Quinn or Jamarcus Russell in college. there was a mental fortitude in games that colt had that I liked. I don’t know how much this translates, but I am inclined to believe that guys who have this generally have a bit easier time winning in the pros.

(sam bradford for example, and I never thought jimmy clausen had it)

Leadership does not make you throw the ball farther.

Sam Bradford isn’t good because he was a leader. He’s good because he’s a phenomenal QB.

obviously he is a phenomenal QB…that wasn’t at all my point. Clausen was an excellent college QB too and he hasn’t been good so far, but time will tell whether he turns out.

TheDriveStillHurts - October 12, 2010 reply

Leadership does not make you throw the ball farther.

Sam Bradford isn’t good because he was a leader. He’s good because he’s a phenomenal QB.

Agree with the sentiment. Another way to put it is that Sam Bradford is a good leader because he is a phenomenal QB.

many stat-heads say that accuracy, starts and td/int ratio are the best numbers to use in predicting college-to-pro success translation. also, that arm strength is about the most overrated attribute available for projecting qb success.

by those measures, colt’s got all the stars aligned to be pretty darn good.

Go Colt!

TheDriveStillHurts - October 12, 2010 reply

arm strength is about the most overrated attribute available for projecting qb success

This. Arm strength is like 40 times for WR’s — relevant but not even close to deserving of the attention that people give it.

Besides – if you look at Colt now on the sidelines I think he is on the Brady Quinn workout plan – he looks jacked. I’ll assume his arm strength has improved in an NFL locker room over a college locker room.

Can I see evidence of this? I want to see how he looks jacked like BQ… because BQ is seriously ripped.

BQ should just ditch football and go into modeling. Seriously. He would make more money doing that than being an inactive #3 QB.

Western Reserve - October 12, 2010 reply

When I’ve seen him on the sidelines, I think he looked pretty much the same to me.

I have personally seen every snap of Colt´s Texas career twice. The only question about this kid in Texas is his arm strength. If he can make the throws, Cleveland will be very very happy. He is an incredible leader, person, and athlete that has been counted out at every level. His intangibles are off the chart. I just don´t know if he can throw an NFL out pattern.

Favre is awful now.

Karma?

Moral of the story, don’t send d1ck photos to random chicks at work?

I find it pretty disgusting. He’s 40 years old and he’s “sexting”. What a pig.

(If it’s true)

That’s because you’re not 40. Your parents are probably sexting each other. Now random sexts to uninterested parties is disgusting at any age.

Bingo.

Dude, not cool.

Birds and bees. How’d you get here?

Doesn’t mean I have to go thinking about my parents in such a way.

I was told a stork brought me.

You’re saying this is untrue?

Bernie19Kosar - October 12, 2010 reply

Well..it depends on whether or not you prefer Krispy Kreme to Dunkin’. It’s purely a religion thing.

I only have a Dunkin’, so it’s a regional thing for me.

What about the cult of Spudnuts?

Adrock2099 - October 12, 2010 reply

I was hatched.

I knew it!

i was cloned

da36chamberz - October 12, 2010 reply

That answers which came first, the dino or the egg.

Thank you for that wonderful thought.

Both my parents are prudes. No way in hell their sexting each other.

F***, they’re not their.

Haha this.

Do you know anything about the Catholic church? Because I sure as hell do. No way in hell there’s any sexting going on.

I wish you had asked me that. Then I could reply that yes I do- 13 years at a Catholic School.

Damn, no Catholic school for me, just CCD and church every Sunday, and now she wonders why I have the beliefs I do (I feel my religious beliefs are best not discussed here).

I’m confused as to how the Catholic church can prevent sexting but not…but I don’t want DBN Community Guidelines violation.

Yeah, let’s not start this here…

They’re prudes. Guess that’s not a “Catholic” thing, but they are and I kind of make that connection.

Sometimes though, the sheltered children of prude Catholics (not that they all are) become some of the most promiscuous.

This is true.

Authoritarian vs. Permissive parenting. We just went over this in Psych 100.

I take intro to psych next year. Should be interesting.

It’s one of the few classes I actually do find interesting. I lucked out with a good prof, but I’ve always had some interest in psychology.

Nature v. Nurture?

I’m in Adolescent Psych right now. We should be seeing this quite soon.

Not sure how you could connect this to nature vs. nurture.

It’s DBN. Everything is connected. And it all relates to Cleveland Browns football. Even Hitler and Physics.

You’ve gone and done it.

It was weak but I was more bringing it up for the relevance of nurture.

I don’t know, I prefer Mountain Dew to Hitler.

Speaking of Mountain Dew, I finally found some 12 packs of the Typhoon flavor they stole from me. I want to kick the douches who voted for White Out in the nads. You sure as hell better not have, or I’m coming for ya.

I only like Live Wire, don’t much care for anything else.

Did you try Typhoon??? It is spectacular.

I thought it was the least mediocre of the 3 Dewmocracy flavors they had. That lime one was atrocious.

Adrock2099 - October 12, 2010 reply

I like regular and that’s it.

Not code red, not natural sugar, not black out, not typhoon, not white out, not livewire.

Regular.

Code Red, Typhoon, and regular for me. I kind of like Black Out. It’s just not great. I’ve had better grape soda.

Now that you mention it, I actually enjoyed the Black Out II (it was kind og sour). Other than that, the other flavors are acceptable, but the fact the Live Wire is liquid gold and the same price, no reason to buy any other Dew.

I think we have the same soda tastes.

Speaking of Mountain Dew, a week ago I discovered that they finally have sold the Voltage kind in cans instead of just vending machines.

Also hate Voltage.

Love it. I like Code Red too.

Ugh. Cherries are the bane of my existence.

Hm, that’s odd.

The blue one? I actually forgot about that. I found it on campus the other day and it made my day.

Yeah.

Typhoon was way better! I didn’t realize the White Out won, I was voting hard for the Typhoon.

Anyone who would vote for “White Out in the nads” ought to be kicked in the nads.

JustBob - October 12, 2010 reply

I’ll take the crab juice.

Rec not only for the obscure reference but also because I hate Mt Dew.

I love that episode.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Skurheg3P6I

Make it green.

I did my part.

Cmon man, the physics was directly related.

amazingly enough.

what the difference is between authoritative and permissive, because thats nurture…and then I guess compare how much nature has an effect on a child as opposed to different parenting techniques.

What? What’d you do google the two after we had a conversation that’s now over?

And either way, that’s not what he meant or we would have said that. The conversation was over.

Stop.

well, that sucked

I love demotivational posters.

What are you talking about? I really enjoyed the 3 Nazis and the diagonal leg.

Hahaha.

Ha

http://www.gorillafart.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/hammer-time.jpg

enjoy on your own time

I like their way to spell kotnkus(sp?)

Kp/n= kotnkus.

Nice.

you can’t ignore the imaginary part though.

Completely missed it and it makes perfect sense as it applies to Kotnkus(sp?)

Dude was basically imaginary.

Seriously – no one here dated a catholic school girl in high school?! You really missed out…just saying….
Thank you St. Mary’s!

Know this. One day you’re parents will become less guarded and you’ll learn all sorts of things about them that you never wanted to know. Bank on it.

Thanks for the heads up.

And what the hell is it with me and random apostrophes all of a sudden? *Your.

Probably just a phase.

I think I am almost at this point…

my dad said to me I should stop hanging out with people at hillel and go onto J-Date if I wanna meet jewish people (now that I am living at home and none of my friends are in town) because I have a better chance at getting laid that way.

TMI.

Haha.

probably was…

definitely was

Browns town - October 12, 2010 reply

For some reason this makes me think of American Pie.

the character was jewish…and I am around that age. My dad is definitely not as out there as his dad though. this is the first time he and I ever talked about something like this really.

Good God man, you know people can see this right?

Bernie19Kosar - October 12, 2010 reply

Ow, my ribs hurt.

This conversation has provided a lot of laughs tonight.

DBN- like a dysfunctional family (and I mean this in the best way possible)

Is this where we say good night John Boy?

mine are too old to know what sexting means

da36chamberz - October 11, 2010 reply

Anyone who is a public figure who does that is an absolute idiot. You got $40 million large – fly a person down, get a room, and don´t leave visual evidence. Will be much cheaper in the long run, and now all that charming family man supporting cancerous wife goes out the window.

Unfortunately I don’t believe Favre has suffered for his actions his entire career.

Moral of the story, don’t send d1ck photos to ~~random chicks at work?~~ anyone.

fixed.

I went on Google to try to find anymore articles on this situation, and it takes me to the Steelers SBN site.

Look who has a snarky comment? Mr Malor.

Always liked Colt McCoy and it is a shame his career will probably go to dirt because he plays for Cleveland

Could be worse. He could be playing for Pissburgh.

But all I have to say is: we’d better come in and not give those bastards an inch. If Colt Freakin’ McCoy of all people beats the Steel Curtain, we’d never hear the end of it. ESPECIALLY out of Browns fans. Steelers need to put their foot on the gas and never let go for 4 quarters.

Um. They lost to Brady Quinn.

Rec.

Exactly.

So Favre either has a sick spin move or Gholston is still UFL ready (which I stated a year ago in my article…)

I think it would probably be very tough to tackle a 40 something year old QB who is rolling out and then throws a spin move on you, because you probably wouldn’t be expecting it. Also Favre maybe be old but he’s like a kid out there!

Until his arm falls off..

No more sexting for him after that.

I’m sure he’s an ace with the 0-9 keypad. He spends the month of August practicing, when his teammates are in training camp.

Zing!

Ha!

I can actually see him doing this. That’s probably why he’s in this trouble now too much free time. That and he’s a douche that’s treated like a God. Always a recipe for asshattery (see James, Lebron)

ESPN has only made it worse. They give him the attention he craves. And this whole “sexting scandal” thing, along with the Tiger Woods’ debacle, that’s why I hate ESPN. I’m not going to boycott them because nobody does a highlight show like ESPN, but I changed the channel when they’d talk about Woods’, Favre, and dare I say it, the Decision.

Yeah Info overkill

On my part or ESPN’s?

ESPN

rec for “asshattery”

DontCallMeJoey - October 12, 2010 reply

same.

Hahaha that’s funny.

I think the Vikes win this game. Unfortunately there doesn’t appear to be any available comets in the area.

Nah, Jets will get the ball back and run the clock.

Well, didn’t see that coming.

I think Favre will throw a pick 6 to end the game.

Wow, nice.

I wrote it right after ;)

Do I seem that dumb? Haha.

Or Favre will Favre the game away.

Hahahaha.

He almost Favred^2.

I’ve got a 10 point lead and Moss and the Jets D working against one another. I’m not sure what I should be rooting for.

I should have played Crabtree. Can’t figure out my WR situation yet. I have a bunch of mediocre guys that have a random good week every 3 or 4.

I love that tomorrow morning, lots of people are going to begin their day with this thread. A word of advice to those who make it this far: you should have hit SHIFT-A twenty minutes ago.

Awww, c’mon man.

that does hurt

I thoroughly enjoyed this thread. If nothing else, I now know that cherries are the bane of SpecialBrownies’ existence.

Much better use of the apostrophe buddy!

Browns town - October 12, 2010 reply

Thanks for noticing!

This is a joke right?

There is no s at the end of my name, nor am I plural.

God forbid we screw up our grammar at 12:36 AM.

waits patiently for SB to catch up

I’ve always thought you were 2 people. The flash bird is a sarcastic guy with a big sense of humor, the K is an very defensive sometimes ahole.

That may come back to haunt me.

I don’t know that function and don’t want to try it

Do people actually read through 300 comment threads the next day?

(other than the obvious answer)

Yes. Sometimes, there really is nothing better to do…sadly.

Browns town - October 12, 2010 reply

If i’m bored i’ll go through a game thread. That hasn’t happened yet this year though.

Wow, I might read a 100 or so, but a game thread?

I mean bored. Plus the end of last was a pretty sweet time. I didn’t want that to end.

What? Did you meet a Jewish girl?

Nope, just a Cleveland winning streak.

/sigh. You should learn when to give something up.

This.

My bad, I legitimately thought that was a funny joke.

I really don’t get this joke. Not offended, but confused.

Western Reserve - October 12, 2010 reply

REC. Yeah, this describes my morning perfectly.

you couldn’t have posted this higher, as a reply or something?

seriously

dgcambridge - October 12, 2010 reply

just now reading through it. about 25% has been worthwhile. but that 25% is pure gold.

Am I allowed to like the Jets? Is that against the rules?

According to B19K, no.

Ahh, dammit.

I meant no to against the rules, according to B19K.

Well praise Joe Thomas.

It’s 9:44 PM on October 11, 2010 and Braylon Edwards still su… awww well f#%$.

A little off-topic, but I am worried that Colt’s strengths (which would probably be best served in a horizontally spread, ball control passing game) will not line up with a cautious, conservative gameplan/the “eff you we are running the ball” offense which is probably our best shot at winning the steelers game.

It will be interesting to see if the coaches can formulate an offensive plan that is cohesive and works well within itself (read: a good gameplan) instead of trying to merge two offenses that don’t really have anything to do with each other. My guess is they are tinkering right now trying to make this happen.

Western Reserve - October 12, 2010 reply

Very good point. My prediction is we’ll try to play smash mouth, but the Steelers will show no respect for the pass and load the box. So we’ll end up in third and longs that Colt won’t be able to convert, and we’ll end up punting — a lot.

Very good point. This was off topic.