The Eric Mangini era continues.
It was announced today that team president Mike Holmgren will keep Mangini and his coaching staff for next season. You can bet that the team's impressive four game winning-streak to close out the season played to Mangini's favor. After the team had suffered so many injuries, to win four games in a row for the first time since 1994 showed that this team did not quit on Eric Mangini.
Heck, after the "veterans" who were "tired of losing" were out of the picture, we started winning.
Here are the statements released by both Holmgren and Mangini regarding the decision:
STATEMENT FROM BROWNS PRESIDENT MIKE HOLMGREN
“I’m happy to announce that Eric Mangini will return as head coach of the Cleveland Browns in 2010. Over the past few weeks Eric and I have had a chance to talk on a number of occasions including our meetings over the last two days. I was able to gain some tremendous insight into his thought process and philosophies, and came away from our meetings very impressed. In my opinion, Eric has gained the respect and admiration of players, coaches and others in the organization, and with him continuing to lead the team I feel that we are headed in the right direction. Working together, our goal is to build on the strong tradition of this franchise and help get the Browns back to the playoffs.”
STATEMENT FROM BROWNS HEAD COACH ERIC MANGINI
“I want to thank Mike for the opportunity to not only meet with him and share my thoughts and vision on what it takes to lead a team, but also to continue what we started here. I believe we made some real, tangible progress throughout the course of the season, culminating with wins in our final four games. I feel as though the culture and mindset that we established this year have laid the foundation for success in 2010 and beyond, and I’m looking forward to working with Mike and a general manager in making this happen.”
According to Adam Schefter of ESPN, although Holmgren told the staff that they will be retained, that doesn't mean there won't be any tweaks when it comes to the staff. In other words, for Browns fans who do not want to keep Brian Daboll as the team's offensive coordinator, there's no reason to believe that his job has been guaranteed as "safe" to this point.
We'll have more updates as they come along.
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ha! great point.
rolub - January 7, 2010
Thinking about becoming the resident Daboll apologist, but will wait to see how the staff shakes out.
Roger Dorn - January 7, 2010
I might agree with alot of the stuff you say, if you do. Just a heads up.
shep615 - January 7, 2010
You could be the Daboll apologist apologist
Roger Dorn - January 7, 2010
I very well could… I see some negatives about him, but I think he showed alot of promise at the end of the season. I could argue in favor of him for sure.
shep615 - January 7, 2010
Daboll showed promise because most of the calls at the end of the season were run plays and Jamal was out of the picture. I don’t know that that necessarily speaks to his skill as an OC. It speaks more to Jamal’s inability to find the hole and to his lack of burst. It also speaks to Harrison’s ability to potentially be a primary back and the general lack of confidence in the passing game.
chitown browns fan - January 7, 2010
At least he went with the run when it was clearly working and didn’t try to do anything stupid or creative putting the game in Anderson’s hands.
Roger Dorn - January 7, 2010
That’s some strong praise.
I’m not sure what to say – he had some unbelievably bad game plans. Garko in the outfield bad. Not just to my eyes, but seemly to local commentators, national commentators, opposing players (remember Cribbs remarks). Fair or not, I question whether he has the experience, and whether he has the confidence (maybe that’s the wrong word) to be creative and bold.
I doubt that Mangini will fire him, if only because I suspect that Mangini himself had a strong hand in those gameplans. I suspect this because it fits my perception of Mangini, but also because this is a first year OC who came up with Mangini.
dgcambridge - January 7, 2010
I am actually with you on this. I think the Daboll trashing goes a bit too far considering what he had to work with and the improvement we saw at the end of the season. The first half of the season, I have to admit that I was befuddled watching our offense.
Roger Dorn - January 7, 2010
True, there isn’t a whole lot to work with out there. But besides generally poor game planning and/or play calling and whatever else, I think there are also some questions on whether or not we have anyone that can actually coach our QB — whoever that might be. This should be considered in his retention. Can he coach and develop a QB?
Western Reserve - January 8, 2010
This will be my new standard for failure.
drjeo - January 8, 2010
I like it. “That was a bad throw by Quinn, but it wasn’t Garko-in-the-outfield bad.” You could even use it for non-sports situations: “I did bad on my chemistry test yesterday. And not just a little bad, but Garko-in-the-outfield bad.”
Buckeye Brad - January 8, 2010
I want you to try it on your students. Overall the scores on this test were Garko-in-the-outfield bad. I expect some serious studying for our next test.
Roger Dorn - January 8, 2010
Haha, I like that idea! Although I doubt any of my students would get that. (Then again, most of my jokes go right over their heads so that wouldn’t be anything new.)
Buckeye Brad - January 8, 2010
Usually, math humor isn’t too widely understood.
SpecialBrownie - January 8, 2010
My math teacher always tried to make jokes. I don’t miss those days, haha.
emily522 - January 8, 2010
Math teachers are awesome, don’t get me wrong.
Like what’s 2k+k?
SpecialBrownie - January 8, 2010
I give up . . .what is it?
(I assume this is going to be a joke, right?)
Buckeye Brad - January 8, 2010
3000! Haha!
SpecialBrownie - January 9, 2010
I get it, but do not at all see how it is funny.
It’s like saying “What is 2 grand plus another grand? 3 grand.” It’s true, and everyone realizes that 1 grand equals 1000, but it isn’t funny in anyway.
Maybe I’m missing something.
Simmsinns - January 9, 2010
One evening Rene Descartes went to relax at a local tavern. The bartender approached and said, “Ah, good evening Monsieur Descartes! Shall I serve you the usual drink?”. Descartes replied, “I think not.”, and promptly vanished.
golanbatrac - January 9, 2010
You’ve quite a mastery of the humorous yarn.
Simmsinns - January 9, 2010
Pretty good.
kwoog - January 9, 2010
kwoog and golan reach common ground!
Roger Dorn - January 9, 2010
A good Philosophy reference will get me every time.
kwoog - January 10, 2010
Oh, it’s not just math humor. Any kind of humor goes right over their heads. (Although, it could be that I’m just not as funny as I think I am, but I doubt that’s the case.)
Buckeye Brad - January 8, 2010
With fairly hog certainty, I didn’t do Garko-in-the-outfield bad this semester like I thought I would.
SpecialBrownie - January 8, 2010
True. I think alot of the OC job is coming up with a gameplan that can A.) help the team win and B.) can be carried out by the team. Basically, while Lewis was in the game, we couldn’t go run, run, run, run, cramming it down people’s throats because Lewis was simply not good enough. We didn’t have a QB or WRs to speak of. So once Lewis went down and Harrison became #1, something finally started to work. One of my Little League coaches told me that if you find something that works, you keep using it until it stops working. At least Daboll was smart enough to do that.
He had some bad games, yes. But in all reality, what are you gonna do when you just have a simply bad offense?
I think next year shows us a better offense and a more confident/better Brian Daboll.
At least, I hope.
shep615 - January 7, 2010
I agree with a lot of this, and will be the first to say i’ve gone overboard with criticizing daboll. that said, a lot of really questionable stuff was done on offense this year, until the bye week. at the bye week we were informed daboll would be getting help from another coach (and former OC). I have to wonder how much of what we saw late in the year is due to daboll maturing and how much is a result of the help he received.
notthatnoise - January 7, 2010
Just that even after the bye-week, against the Ravens, we had no offensive plan
skipkirk - January 7, 2010
Disagree to a point, but I would probably need to write an essay on why. I agree we found an identity, which was a good thing. We were way too cute in the first half of the year.
Still, isn’t every praise of Daboll and the offense from the bye week onward a double-edged sword? I do think he will be better in year 2, and I think our offense will be better with (hopefully) some new players, and more experience for our younger WRs. Still, I hope they are picking Holmgren’s brain.
rufio - January 8, 2010
This.
My feeling is that Daboll could become a decent offensive coordinator if he learns a few things from Holmgren. I think Mike will have plenty to say about fixing the passing game.
Bumblyjack - January 8, 2010
I just imagine Daboll following Holmgren around the office asking question after question.
Bernie19Kosar - January 9, 2010
And it’s to his credit if he does.
golanbatrac - January 9, 2010
Haha.
emily522 - January 9, 2010
You risk becoming my mortal enemy.
gahnki - January 7, 2010
I might just have to take that risk :-p
shep615 - January 7, 2010
Except I guess I read that as a reply to my post when it wasn’t. So I’ll hope you just meant Roger :-)
shep615 - January 7, 2010
You’re on my watch list too, bud. ;)
gahnki - January 7, 2010
I stand for truth and justice. Sometimes sacrifices have to be made :-p
shep615 - January 7, 2010
Bernie19Kosar - January 7, 2010
He couldn’t ask for a better champion. That said, I remain dubious about Daboll deserving a another chance.
RelapsingDawgCatcher - January 7, 2010
Could have made alot of money betting on this happening 5/6 weeks ago...
In the end, he made his own luck. I just hope we can start next year winning right out of the starting gate. Another poor start and it will get fugly fast.
Juannieboy - January 7, 2010
Well, I think, all in all, it was the right move at this point in time.
johnnyphoenix - January 7, 2010
i like the signature
notthatnoise - January 7, 2010
This makes me happy. Beyond the fact that the team responded down the stretch to Mangini, you have to have some continuity if you want to have any type of success. Three different coaches in 3 years would’ve been too much.
Keep ’em on a short leash, but keep ’em.
mjmarble - January 7, 2010
I like this move. I’m glad the decision was announced fairly rapidly so that the organization can press on from here. Don’t screw it up, Eric.
RelapsingDawgCatcher - January 7, 2010
yeah, couldn’t agree more. get it done and get to work!
Dawg Nuts - January 7, 2010
They were already working. The staff was doing year-end evaluations prior to meeting with Holmgren.
rufio - January 8, 2010
even better.
Dawg Nuts - January 8, 2010
Yes, I’m sure they were pressing on, but it’s nice for them to be able to press on without this particular question mark over their heads!
RelapsingDawgCatcher - January 8, 2010
Deserved move. I was not a Mangini guy week one, but he did grow on me. He admitted his mistakes, made changes and the team moved into a better direction. I think some of these moves obviously was to save his hide, but the moves were made and the results improved. Holmgren is sticking his neck out, however I am sure he is looking at Gruden in 2011.
I am not a Dabol guy, he should be replaced.
Grockcubs - January 7, 2010
Aha! Just a La Canfora didn’t predict! I guess what he “had been hearing for the last couple of weeks” were the voices in his head … or the ramblings of bored PD writers.
JustBob - January 7, 2010
That’s surprising. LaCanfora is usually on top of things.
golanbatrac - January 7, 2010
Really!? Everyone wants this coaching staff to come back!? I’m shocked. Especially considering that the bright side of this season only amounted to 4 wins against teams that will be watching the post season from home. Two of which were against opponents that will be picking AHEAD of us in the draft. That’s really our measuring stick for success? Does anyone really think that we could have won any of those last 4 games without Cribbs and Harrison playing out of their minds? If so, please enlighten me because I just don’t see it.
I don’t really like cutting ties with a coach this quickly but Mangini has done way more negative things than positive things in just a short year. The bus ride situation, trading off all our stars for less than stellar players in return, the mural situation, need I go on?
dustonj - January 7, 2010
I’m happy to see Mangini and Ryan back.
We beat the Steelers, finally. We won 4 in a row for he first time since we came back. Ryan finally brought an agressive defensive style to Cleveland. The Braylon Trade looks better and better everytime the moron opens his mouth or drops another pass.
Mangini did a lot of positive things, and most of the negative things turned out to be not true or blown out of proportion (The Bus Ride, The Water Bottle Fine, James Davis’ Injury) All these were not as they were made out to be by the media.
However, I will not mind Daboll getting the boot, I wouldn’t mind him staying either. I think Mangini deserved another year, and am very glad that Homgren gave it to him. Also, I’m ecstatic that we’ll again see Rob Ryan as our DC next year.
rose_11 - January 7, 2010
I’m smiling just thinking about it!
RelapsingDawgCatcher - January 7, 2010
I like Ryan a lot but the rest of the staff, especially Daboll, can go away and I wouldn’t lose any sleep over it.
dustonj - January 8, 2010
His name escapes me, but the ST coach is really good.
notthatnoise - January 8, 2010
Seely. And yes, he is.
golanbatrac - January 8, 2010
special teams coach brad seely
we have to keep him remember the last time we had the best special teams unit ,here and what happened when he left,he took that rival team to the superbowl more than once
brownie76 - January 8, 2010
Yes.
rufio - January 8, 2010
I sure as [heck] will be glad to see Ryan out there again. He sure as [shoot] can get that [darn] defense motivated to go out there and kick somebody in the [butt].
JustBob - January 8, 2010
There’s an argument to be made against Mangini, but bringing up the mural and the bus ride really undermines your case as far as I’m concerned.
RelapsingDawgCatcher - January 7, 2010
You said it man.
skipkirk - January 7, 2010
The bus ride was an admitted mistake. I still don’t buy the whole “Mangini is evil and completely destroyed the mural on purpose” bit.
rufio - January 8, 2010
Explain how mentioning a few of the many negative decisions that a first year coach makes undermines my case? In all honesty, if only one of those things would have happened I don’t think most people would have batted an eyelash but that’s not the case. It was a combination of multiple things. What about the QB situation and waiting until the last minute to name a starter? I don’t think that spliting reps did anything to benefit either QB.
I agree that bringing Rob Ryan back is a good call. Daboll has got to go…
dustonj - January 8, 2010
it undermines your case because it makes it look like you are basing your opinion on unconfirmed, overblown, or false stories that don’t affect football at all.
notthatnoise - January 8, 2010
Exactly. Let’s stick to football rather than dubiously reported events of little real consequence.
RelapsingDawgCatcher - January 8, 2010
This was a bad decision. Do you think it will happen again? I don’t. Can you really blame them, after seeing how bad both guys were to start the season?
rufio - January 8, 2010
This is pretty much what I am wondering. Maybe the decision was tough because they were both worse than anyone expected.
Roger Dorn - January 8, 2010
I hate to say it, but I bet Mangini flipped a coin, just privately.
/sarc
But seriously, I wonder if he knew how bad these two guys were would he have taken Sanchez last year in the draft?
Villeslgr - January 8, 2010
I’m not sure we could have absorbed a top 5 QB salary.
golanbatrac - January 8, 2010
Not to mention that Sanchez has been less than spectacular.
Roger Dorn - January 8, 2010
Not to mention that Sanchez has been less than spectacular.
remember who he’s throwing to,stone hands edwards
brownie76 - January 8, 2010
Not that I want him. But just wondering if we would have taken him if Mangini felt we needed a QB.
Villeslgr - January 9, 2010
Yeah, I for one still blame them. It was completely piss poor execution. The QB competition was truly completely useless and then pulling Quinn after a mere 2.5 games was simply an atrocious decision that only ultimately sets the team back. It is remarkable that at this junction we still have questions about Quinn — even if they are between, is he merely a game manager?, or is he simply unfit for the NFL? I think even to have to continue to ponder this question at all was largely preventable if DA was firmly seated on the bench from the onset.
Western Reserve - January 8, 2010
Quinn was holding on to the ball too long in those 2.5 games for the state that the right side of our line was in. I think had Tucker and Hadnot not gone down in camp, Quinn never gets pulled.
golanbatrac - January 8, 2010
Maybe so, but I still maintain it was a terrible decision. He should have been allowed to play through the adversity. You got to play with the team you have, not the team you wish you had. And we couldn’t have lost any more games than we did anyway; we only lost time.
Western Reserve - January 8, 2010
the mural
he did not destroy the mural,he simply moved it to a place where more than just the players can view it
brownie76 - January 8, 2010
Well, I’m not sure if that’s true, but we don’t need to get in to that again.
Buckeye Brad - January 8, 2010
Please, let’s not. :)
RelapsingDawgCatcher - January 8, 2010
Harrison did excellent…but it was the Offensive Line and FB who played ‘out of their minds.’ Anyways, in plain black and white terms Magini did improve the team record, regardless of which teams he beat at the end. That schedule was brutal early on. Brutal. If you devalue the wins due to the quality of the opponent then you have to devalue the losses to the good/great teams as well. You can’t hafve it both ways.
Plus and we had a new coach, new schemes, two piss poor QBs, injuries etc. He had to cut out the cancers on this team, even though it meant a degrading of talent. Anyways, my main issue with Mangini was the draft and the OC. OC still might be a problem but we have that draft issue handled…Holmgren will see to that.
Mangini perhaps is not a good ‘czar’ as he showed early on, but he’s not going to be now, and doesn’t have to be. It’s kinda like the Quinn situation. He gets one more year to evaluate now that the schemes and packages are well in place …and then we know for sure whether or not he’s the man for the job. Besides, changing staffs right now…what are our (realistic) options this year? Who? Zorn? Mohrniweg? Mariucci? No thanks.
johnnyphoenix - January 7, 2010
not necessarily…
notthatnoise - January 7, 2010
I meant this PAST year as Quinns evaluation given all the talk last year that he really didn’t get a full season to ‘showcase’ his talents.
johnnyphoenix - January 7, 2010
oh ok that makes more sense, i read that as if you were assuming quinn would be the starter next year.
notthatnoise - January 8, 2010
I tend to think a good portion of people put more stock in wins over better opponents. Can you say that you wouldn’t be more impressed with a win over the Colts compared to a win over the Rams?
I agree that the schedule was brutal. I still don’t understand waiting to name a starting QB and splitting reps. That seems counterproductive to me.
dustonj - January 8, 2010
having those two QBs is counterproductive. did he handle the situation perfectly? no. can you blame him for not wanting to pick either guy? not really, they were both pretty bad.
notthatnoise - January 8, 2010
Of course. There isn’t a person in the world who would argue that a win over the Colts isn’t better than a win over the Rams. That’s obvious. But this is the NFL, where except for a few elite teams and a few terrible teams, anyone can beat anyone. You take your wins wherever you can get them. Pittsburgh was the defending champions and still a pretty good team. Jacksonville is an average team, not great but not bad, and still had a chance to make the playoffs. Oakland has beaten a few good teams this year. So you can’t discount those wins, just like nobody discounts those wins when the Colts or Saints or Vikings beat those teams.
Buckeye Brad - January 8, 2010
Welcome new poster, Bud Shaw!
golanbatrac - January 7, 2010
I am picturing Shaw, Cabot, and Grossi at the bar together weeping tonight.
Roger Dorn - January 7, 2010
I like Grossi and his podcasts. Always thought he was on the mark.
johnnyphoenix - January 7, 2010
2 of the teams missed the playoffs because the Browns beat them. Kansas City knocked the crap out of Denver in week 17 and played pretty well the last few games of the season. Oakland was a lot better without Russell.
None of the wins were cupcakes, especially in a league where a 4 game streak doesn’t happen for a bad team.
Roger Dorn - January 7, 2010
I’m not saying that a four game winning streak is a bad thing. All I’m saying is that they were meaningless games against mediocre opponents for the most part. Pittsburgh was in the midst of a losing streak and honestly don’t have idea what the hell happened to Jacksonville.
dustonj - January 8, 2010
they were not meaningless games for 2/4 of the opponents. those games were the difference between making the playoffs and making a tee time.
I’m also of the opinion that no NFL game is meaningless. even the players on the raiders and chiefs were playing for their jobs, which is probably better motivation than just winning.
notthatnoise - January 8, 2010
true
Red-Right-88 - January 8, 2010
You don’t know what is going on except you claim to know enough to know that the game was meaningless for Jacksonville? Pittsburgh makes the playoffs if they beat us, far from a meaningless game. If the Chiefs weren’t playing for anything, why did they absolutely demolish Denver the last week of the season?
Roger Dorn - January 8, 2010
We happened.
rufio - January 8, 2010
Bam!
RelapsingDawgCatcher - January 8, 2010
Someone needs to come up with a good photoshop for victories using this.
Villeslgr - January 8, 2010
I’m pretty handy with the ’shop. What were you thinking?
SpecialBrownie - January 8, 2010
I don’t know some kind of threatening picture of the team or a nasty hit captioned with “we happened.”
As you can tell I didn’t put too much thought into it.
Villeslgr - January 8, 2010
Eh? And also, only if Cribbs stays.
SpecialBrownie - January 8, 2010
Rec’d this.
emily522 - January 8, 2010
Awesome.
Villeslgr - January 9, 2010
Dude… We need to make freaking T-Shirts. They’d sell like crazy.
I mean, come on, Cavs have “Witness”… Bengals have “Who Dey”…
What if we had a shirt that said on the front: “What the hell happened?” and then on the back “We happened.”? I like this idea.
PS, I’m gonna snag this pic and the other we happened pics and put them on my desktop. It will be great.
shep615 - January 10, 2010
“Brown Happens”
?
Villeslgr - January 10, 2010
I also delve in the Photoshop a little bit…
What happened to Jacksonville?
And my personal favorite:
Simmsinns - January 8, 2010
Love these.
emily522 - January 8, 2010
Wow.
I hate you.
SpecialBrownie - January 8, 2010
I wasn’t trying to 1up you or anything, I thought the idea was cool. I was just contributing. Hell, you inspired these. I even REC’d yours before making them.
Mine are actually more “artificial” if you will. More contrived, in the colors and all, almost in a light hearted cartoony. Yours however, has more of an impact, “threatening” feel, which was originally requested.
Simmsinns - January 8, 2010
I was just kidding. I like having a Photoshop cohort.
SpecialBrownie - January 8, 2010
Awesome.
Villeslgr - January 9, 2010
I’d just like to say that only one of those negatives (potentially) effected wins and losses. You could make a case for the K2 trade being a bad trade, but the BE trade was pretty darn good considering he wasn’t doing jack to help us win. Overall, I think the trades set us up really well for the future.
I mean, yeah, there’s the buss ride and the mural and water bottle and whatever else you’d like to throw in there. But I think you’d be hard pressed to prove where Mangini has set us up for more failure.
shep615 - January 7, 2010
I actually think the opposite on the trades.
K2 getting his extension sold me on that deal.
Bernie19Kosar - January 7, 2010
I still think K2’s play in 2 or 3 years will be the thing that ultimately decides the success of the trade. His knee has got to be really painful at this point.
rufio - January 8, 2010
yeah that was the scary thing to me. he was a great player, but that knee is a ticking time bomb.
notthatnoise - January 8, 2010
Water bottle = did not happen.
rufio - January 8, 2010
And one of them will be pittsburgh. And if we didn’t beat them, they’d still be playing. Tell me that doesn’t feel good.
I’ve said it elsewhere, but as long as we have been at the bottom of the division, we’ve played at least a few other teams at the bottom of the division, due to the NFL’s scheduling policies. We haven’t always beaten those other bad teams.
False. Joe Thomas, D’Qwell Jackson, Shaun Rogers. Steinbach would be a star if he played a more glamorous position. He also traded players for draft picks, including some we have yet to make. If you are going to criticize him for trading players away, you have to like some of the guys he did find on the cheap; Roth, Bowens, Moore, etc. Step 1 was to get all of the bad apples off the team. Step 2 was to fill in the holes with short-term guys who were not bad apples. Step 3 will have to be find stars who are not bad apples.
Also, Mangini wasn’t retained to continue to play GM. We will hire a GM. Mangini was retained to motivate the players, and set a standard for hard work, physicality, and general execution. He’s done that. He seems to have even the most upset player on the team in Josh Cribbs fully behind him.
rufio - January 8, 2010
personally i’m amazed that player relations have been one of mangini’s strengths. everything we heard when he was hired said players hated him.
notthatnoise - January 8, 2010
I thought there were mixed reports out of NY. Still, I don’t really trust anyone other than Pluto with Browns
newsspeculation.rufio - January 8, 2010
The loudest reports were that players didn’t like him. However in my opinion most reports were that his players liked him and still kept in contact with him. I think I just saw somewhere where Braylon had sent him texts.
Villeslgr - January 8, 2010
I heard that Braylon called Mangini after the Bills win to congratulate him on the victory.
Buckeye Brad - January 8, 2010
Two of said teams we helped in keeping out of the playoffs, and most of the aforementioned situations either were blown out of proportion or didn’t happen at all they way they were portrayed.
North Coast Flea - January 8, 2010
Set phasers to stun. I’m shocked to hear this. I’m extremely happy, but never expected this outcome. Mangini’s done more to improve this team than anybody has since 1999. He deserves to return and continue his effort.
Spidey - January 7, 2010
I, for one, am pretty pleased with this.
notthatnoise - January 7, 2010
Anyone else think that Holmgren looked at who was available, and decided that he might as well let Mangini come back for another season?
Worst case scenario, he sucks again and Holmgren can go after someone who may not be available right now (John Fox, and more likely Jon Gruden). If Mangini comes back and continues the uptick in performance, it’s all good.
Who would we have even brought in? The only name out right now that I really like is Leslie Frazier. I am not a huge fan of Mangini, but I have no qualms with him being HC next season. I still would like to see a more seasoned offensive mind come in and work with our QB’s.
Bernie19Kosar - January 7, 2010
Rotoworld says we were going to be allowed to have Fox free of charge. So, I don’t trust that.
SpecialBrownie - January 7, 2010
That seems more realistic to me. That Holmgren lacked a significantly better option than Mangini for HC.
dustonj - January 8, 2010
I’m guessing no one wants to pay three head coaches at the same time.
JulioBernazard - January 8, 2010
C’mon man. I agree that the potential alternatives will be better next year, but your anti-Mangini bias is clear here.
rufio - January 8, 2010
How is that an anti-Mangini statement?
I am saying that he was the best coach for the job. No one else available was a better option. Just because he isn’t on the level of two Super Bowl HC isn’t a slam on him.
If that came across as anti-Mangini, it wasn’t meant to be.
A four game winning streak even starts to win me over. (You can’t see it, but I’m blushing.)
Bernie19Kosar - January 9, 2010
Sure, I think it would have at least been the responsible thing to do to consider who else might be available.
Western Reserve - January 8, 2010
qb coach
any possibility of bringing in gary danielson in,he did wonders with bernie!
brownie76 - January 8, 2010
Not with a cushy job as SEC commintator for CBS.
holmes213 - January 8, 2010
im happy with this decision......
we need some sort of stablility if were going to start yet another rebuilding process with Holmgren at the helm…..we got alot of draft picks coming up and its stocked with alot of good players i think we will do really good in the upcoming draft!!! GO BROWNS!
kevin122380 - January 7, 2010
There were a lot of things that bothered me about Mangini this year (and no, the water bottle wasn’t one of them), but I agree that he earned another year. I’m also happy to see that Holmgren was open-minded and not dictatorial about cleaning house.
This coming year I want to see Mangini get his act together with his starting and backup personnel. I think there were a lot of panic moves and arbitrary benchings this year except for the one we needed most — sitting Lewis.
Chemo - January 7, 2010
Dang. I was hoping that Mike Heimerdinger would be our next coach. I had promised friends and family that I would get Heimerdinger on the back of a jersey if he became the coach. That would give me plenty of letters to re-arrange when the next regime comes in, next quarterback gets picked up, etc.
Seriously though. I’m very surprised by the move. But it is a pleasant surprise. I like two things about it: First, I like the fact that we aren’t going to start over with another scheme. That would be about as close to a full blow-up that you could get. Now at least they can build on what they started. Second, I like the fact that Mangini was able to shift gears and at least make a credible case that he can be a guy that doesn’t make all the decisions. I think coach Mangini made a few mistakes along the way but he also made some good moves. I really hope that he, Holmgren and the new GM will “be on the same page”. Holmgren must believe that this is true and that is good enough for me.
This is shaping up to be THE most promising post season I’ve seen for the Browns in a very, very long time. I was greatly mistaken in my belief that Mangini would be dismissed but this is one time in which I don’t mind being wrong.
Brownsyup - January 7, 2010
My prediction about the Mangini decision was wrong too, but I’m with you on this one – this is shaping up to be a very exciting offseason.
Best of all, there is a big crop of QBs Holmgren can choose from. They all can’t be cherries but if anyone can pick a cherry QB it’s Holmgren.
Spidey - January 8, 2010 via mobile
We´re happy about this extension and support Eric Mangini fully as a head coach, to include implementing the roster to support our traditional 3-4 defense. We can more accurately allow Mangini football to evolve.
That being said the entity that is mooncamping, recedes managerial duties.
Will Lewis is our choice to commence GM obligations.
mooncamping - January 8, 2010
You are so gracious, but Lewis over Heckert? I thought Lewis was just a consideration to get by the Rooney Rule. Heckert seems to be the man. (I also assume that Heckert interviewed Mangini when he was in town and rubberstamped Holmgren’s decision).
Spidey - January 8, 2010 via mobile
I think he has a legit chance at the job. If he didn’t he wouldn’t be considered for another FO job. I don’t think this will be a “have to find someone b/c of the rooney rule” situation.
holmes213 - January 8, 2010
No one says it like you do, moon. Best of luck in your future football endeavors.
RelapsingDawgCatcher - January 8, 2010
It’s a clue ghostwriter. Robot/computer or collective?
Villeslgr - January 8, 2010
I say collective, because the posts can differ so greatly. sometimes moon is very gracious, and sometimes he’s an asshole. there are also very slight stylistic differences from post to post, which points to separate people.
notthatnoise - January 8, 2010
I’m still voting for an experimental Russian AI run from a base on the moon.
Maybe the different voices correspond to changes in the code base. Welcome to mooncamping v 2.2.12?
RelapsingDawgCatcher - January 8, 2010
www.cleverbot.com
Check it out… Maybe it’s an extension of this artificial intelligence?
shep615 - January 10, 2010
Fun stab at a Turing test, that. Moon is more convincing, though.
RelapsingDawgCatcher - January 10, 2010
Since this move saves the team money, throw Cribbs $5M more.
Do we think Mangenius can talk Holmgren into paying #16?
JulioBernazard - January 8, 2010
Apparently Mangini was the originator of 1.4 million.
Roger Dorn - January 8, 2010
Though it’s unclear if that was the opening offer or a final offer. Lerner pulled the plug on any negotiations pending the hire of a czar and GM.
golanbatrac - January 8, 2010
HIRE CRIBBS!
JulioBernazard - January 8, 2010
I’m pretty sure that after the offer was pulled it was sent again.
Villeslgr - January 8, 2010
with Holmgren in...
Quinn will finally get to play in the west-coast-offense he was made for. With a good offensive coordinator and a few pieces on the offensive line, I expect big things from the offense.
As for the defense, with so many injuries during the season, but so much great play from the no-names down the stretch, it will be interesting to see what happens. In fact, the only real needs I see on the defensive front are CB to get McDonald off the f*cking field, and S, because no one knows what the deal with Poole is gonna be.
As an outside fan, I haven’t seen everyone of your games. But, I expect to see some very good things in the future. Being an Eagles fan, I can tell you, the transition to the WCO will be one that you will thank God for. You will see MoMass and Robiski look a lot better. (Question: What is wrong with Robiski? His stats are minimal, but solid. Does he drop the ball a lot? Or did he not get activated very often?)
Best of luck, Dawgs
birds'n'raiders - January 8, 2010
If you actually read the Press Conference, you notice he says he will not be installing his OWN OFFENSES and DEFENSES. Nice try though.
SpecialBrownie - January 8, 2010
dude...
First of all, chill out. I’m not insulting you. For fuck’s sake…
Second of all, I never said anything about the defense changing. You have Ryan, and he proved that his system works.
And lastly, you must admit that the Mangini offensive system is not effective. Now, one may argue that you ran the ball very well in the final few games. Well, how often do you expect to run for 200+ yards? This is a Quarterback-centric league, and if your offense makes your QB suck more so than necessary, than the system must be replaced. Holmgren will institute a WCO with whatever Offensive Coordinator he brings in.
birds'n'raiders - January 8, 2010
I didn’t insinuate that you insulted me. It’s just that almost all outsiders expect that Holmgren is going to automatically install a WCO and that’s just not the case.
I said defense to say that he won’t be installing systems in general, at least not yet perhaps, how the F do I know?
Thirdly, I know we need an offensive face lift, mainly in the QB department. We ran it 200+ yards a game because we had a below tier QB at that moment. The Offense was built around the idea to compensate for that. It helped toward the end of the season but of course it’s not a long term fix. So, dude. Chill.
SpecialBrownie - January 8, 2010
sorry..
My apologies for not being chill. I thought that you were insinuating that I had a complete lack of knowledge as to anything going on. But, again, common sense here…Daboll is not a good OC, and new czar Holmgren happens to believe that the WCO is the best thing since sliced bread. Quid pro quo, you will be running a WCO.
birds'n'raiders - January 8, 2010
For the last time, the “pure” WCO is nonexistent in the NFL. Every team, unless they have a jackass as OC is using some “WCO” principles on some level, probably on multiple levels. It isn’t some mystical offense buiried at the center of the earth, coaches have been studying it and going to conferences on it, and having had access to its playbooks and game film for years and years now.
Additionally, if all you run is stuff that Bill Walsh invented, you won’t win in today’s NFL. If you utilize vertical passing concepts (which you must do on some level to win in the NFL) then how much of a “true” WCO are you running?
Could Daboll stand to learn a few things, and to be coached up in other areas? No doubt. But Holmgren isn’t going to come in and install the WCO and think it is going to magically fix everything.
rufio - January 8, 2010
“Journey to the Center of the WCO.”?
I’d watch it.
SpecialBrownie - January 8, 2010
and would you look at that...
Jim Mora just got fired. Well, he seems like a perfect fit at Offensive Coordinator…
birds'n'raiders - January 8, 2010
I could definitely get behind that
notthatnoise - January 8, 2010
Jim Mora is a defensive coach.
Bernie19Kosar - January 9, 2010
and re: Heckert
he really doesn’t have much say in Philly, because Andy Reid has been running the show for the past 11 years. And, our Directer of Personnel Howie Roseman (who has been responsible for the drafts since 2005) has been gaining more and more power. Heckert doesn’t really do too much. So, I’m not sure he’s gonna be your best option at GM…
birds'n'raiders - January 8, 2010
Heckert’s actual experience is something I was wondering about given the situation in Philly. Still, I suppose one could argue that every GM was at one time someone who had never had the title or responsibilities. I think it comes down to how much he has learned from those around him.
JustBob - January 8, 2010
the next logical step
is for the Eagles to trade you guys Kevin Kolb…or McNabb…depending on whether or not we win it all this year.
So, what would you give us for Kolb? 2nd, 5th, future 2nd? Maybe, if Holmgren really can’t handle him…Josh Cribbs and a 2nd?
birds'n'raiders - January 8, 2010
you are clearly highly inebriated if you think kolb is worth cribbs and a 2nd.
Dawg Nuts - January 8, 2010
kolb
was the first QB to ever throw for 300+ yards in his first 2 starts. A franchise QB is worth more than a 2nd rounder and a (as Holmgren thinks) kick returner.
birds'n'raiders - January 8, 2010
Kevin Kolb is a franchise QB? I’d rather keep Cribbs and take a flyer on a mid-round QB to replace DA in the annual QB competition here in Cleveland.
golanbatrac - January 8, 2010
because God knows
QBs aren’t important in this league…
birds'n'raiders - January 8, 2010
Great QBs are important. Kevin Kolbs are dime a dozen.
golanbatrac - January 8, 2010
Kevin Kolb could be very good; he played well in limited opportunities so far. I actually don’t think the Eagles would trade him because he’s their QB of the future and McNabb won’t be playing much longer.
Buckeye Brad - January 8, 2010
Just to be clear, I’m not saying that Kolb isn’t any good or couldn’t ever be any good, just that he’s unproven. Drop him into the ‘09 Browns offense and I don’t think he does any better than Quinn did in his second go-round.
golanbatrac - January 9, 2010
lol
this is pathetic…
birds'n'raiders - January 9, 2010
^directed to golanbatrac
birds'n'raiders - January 9, 2010
Pathetic? I’m complimenting the Eagles. They have a stable organization, a stellar offense loaded with weapons and an offensive ‘guru’ for a coach. It’s no surprise that he’s looked good when he’s played. I think there are a lot of QBs who could look good given similar circumstances.
golanbatrac - January 9, 2010
I personally think Mangini is a good coach.
He came to the Jets started rough, took them to the playoffs, floundered in 2008 at the end with an injured Brett Favre causing them to miss the playoffs.
This year starts rough, ends the season with something to build.
I have faith in what Mangini can do and adding Holmgren and Holmgren not firing Mangini gives me great optimism for next year.
Villeslgr - January 8, 2010
Great News
I logged on this am really nervous that Mangini would be gone and we’d lose all continuity, but now I think things are looking really great.
I’m not convinced we need a Czar & a GM, but there you go.
I think Holmgren will do a lot to help Quinn and the offense, and will leave the D well alon in the capable hands of Ryan.
As to DA, well the Raiders have played Frye & Gradkowski- anyone reckon DA is the one they really want?
LondonBrown - January 9, 2010
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