Below is a transcript of Mike Holmgren's press conference on Tuesday.
(Browns General Counsel Fred Nance introduction)- “Good afternoon. It is indeed quite an honor as one of my first official acts as a part of the Cleveland Browns organization to have the opportunity to present to you our new President, Mike Holmgren. I’ve had the opportunity during the course of finalizing his contract to get to know Mike a bit and I have to tell you that all those reports are true. He is a man of vision, determination and most of all, integrity. His accomplishments speak for themselves. He really doesn’t need any introduction. That’s why it is such a thrill for me to say on behalf of the people of the City of Cleveland, Mike, on behalf of all of us who kept the faith and knew that a better day was coming for the Cleveland Browns, on behalf of Cleveland Browns fans all over this nation, indeed, all over the world, welcome Mike Holmgren.”
Transcript courtesy of http://blogs.theobr.com/
(Opening statement)- “I want you to know for the last 562 press conferences I’ve given, I didn’t wear a neck tie, so this is a new deal. Jim [Brown], good to see you. I look forward to getting to know all of you over the course of our time here. I know a few of you from my days as a coach. When I made the decision this year to evaluate how I would feel being away from the game after coaching for a long time, I realized I missed it a lot. Then, I had to make a decision, or we had to make a decision, whether I would stay on the field or attempt a new challenge.
After much consideration, I thought that I would like to approach the NFL and a team in a different way, a new challenge if you will. Once that was done Randy Lerner approached us. We had some wonderful discussions and meetings and the rest as they say, is history. I’m very, very excited to be here. I’m excited about the possibilities of what we could do, understanding that any organization that has changed like this can expect some change. I’ve had the privilege and the pleasure of meeting a number of folks in the organization.
Today is my first day. I still have a whole lot of folks to meet. We’re going to be making some decisions by the end of the week hopefully. Something that I thought could be done rather quickly, sometimes, there are a lot of rules in the NFL, as you know, as far as hiring people and we’re going to abide by those rules, teams are in playoffs, those types of considerations. It’s probably going to take a little bit longer then I had hoped, but [I am] looking forward to the challenge of, not necessarily rebuilding the Browns, because the Browns have a wonderful, wonderful history, but being a part of getting the team back to where they should be, and I’m talking about the playoffs and potentially the Super Bowl. That’s the goal of every organization in this business. My first head coaching job was in Green Bay and my second one was in Seattle and in both instances I think we did a good job of going in there and fixing things a little bit and eventually playing in the Super Bowl, which is the hope of every player and certainly of every person in the organization.

“One quick story, when we won the Super Bowl in Green Bay, it had been a long time, since Coach (Vince) Lombardi, that they had participated in the Super Bowl, much less win it. I remember it being in the Superdome in Louisiana. [I] was sitting in the coach’s room there, some of you know where that is, and there were a lot of happy folks in there. I asked them to leave for just a second so I could be by myself. I remember thinking, you could hear the players, the coaches, but there are so many more people that were enjoying that win. There are so many more people that make up an organization and deserve the credit for building something up and eventually playing in that game. We’re going to try very, very hard to get everybody pulling in the same direction and hopefully it’ll have a happy ending. Once again, I am very, very excited. Before I go any further, I would like to introduce my wife, Kathy. We had gotten rid of all our snow equipment when we left Green Bay, but you know what, it’s beautiful outside. It’s beautiful and we are very, very happy to be here, so thank you.”
(On if he can confirm that he met with Eric Mangini today and where he stands in terms of his decision on him)- “That’s an important question for the organization. I met with Eric briefly, but not ‘the’ meeting. He was busy. They’re getting their yearend evaluations completed. I saw a number of the coaches. We have a meeting scheduled for tomorrow. What I asked him to do is I asked him to think about a few things this evening. I didn’t want to really get any sort of answer or any feeling from him today, but I did give him a list of things to think about for our meeting tomorrow in fairness to Eric, instead of getting blindsided with a bunch of pop questions from me. I was a coach for a long time and it’s important that he understands where I’m coming from. It’s important that I understand where he’s coming from.
The only way you win in this league is if the coach and the person in my position and or a general manager are absolutely on the same wave length. That’s the only way you have a chance. You’ve all seen organizations that you kind of scratch your head and [think], ‘Why doesn’t it work for them? They should be better or their record should be better or whatever.’ It boils down to, you can pinpoint it is that egos get in the way. Everyone establishes their little power base and it destroys the team. At least it doesn’t let them accomplish what they should accomplish. My goal is to have that feeling in this building, is to have everyone thinking in a like manner, going in the same direction. Let’s put all the egos aside for a second and let’s get around the job of winning. That meeting I’m going to have with him tomorrow.”
(On if Tom Heckert will be interviewed for the General Manager position)- “Tom is coming in tomorrow, yes.”
(On if he has other candidates lined up to interview for the General Manager position)- “Yes we do.”
(On if he can say who the other candidates for General Manager are)- “No I can’t. Thanks for asking though (joking).”
(On if Eric Mangini has a legitimate chance to win him over in their meeting tomorrow)- “Absolutely, otherwise I wouldn’t have set the meeting up. When you get to know me a little bit, and some of you in the room know me a little bit, I don’t dance too much and I appreciate people that will shoot straight, so I wouldn’t do that to him. We’re going to have a meeting and maybe a couple of meetings this week, but I hope to have that resolved by the end of the week.”
(On if he is working on a new contract for Joshua Cribbs and how soon it could be accomplished)- “Well that’s the question. We’ve been in contact with his representatives even when I was in Arizona. I believe players should be rewarded for what they do. I have no problems with that at all. What happens though on occasion is our view of how much that should be and the agent’s view of how much that should be differs. We have made an effort. We will continue to make an effort to handle Josh’s situation. I want Josh here. Now, he has three years left on his existing contract, so it’s a little unprecedented to start doing things this early in a contract like that. Having said that, a player should get what he deserves in my opinion and he’s been a fine player. It’s just that business part of it that we’re going through now. We’re trying and I hope how we do that is good enough.”
(On what he is inheriting here)- “They’ve one four games in a row. That’s pretty good. Now, Tom (Withers), you have to give me some time to take off my coaching hat. Now I’m a big shot executive (joking). What I have to do is I have to probably rearrange how I think about the team. Eric’s going to view it a certain way because he’s the coach. I’ve gone into situations and said probably words very close to that. You go in and take a program that’s been down a little bit, an organization, and you want to build it up. Sometimes frustration sets in. It doesn’t happen fast enough, guys get hurt, you were counting on this player and something happens and a coach’s frustration comes out. The team finished strong, they did. Again, there’s a lot more to how this is going to play out than the last four games.”
(On if his duties go beyond the football aspect of the organization)- “Everything, I sell suites, hotdogs, parking, the whole deal, yes, I get to do it (joking). Yes, I was a business major in college, the Harvard of the west. I went to USC, you know that. My responsibility is for the organization, so I’ll take an active role in everything. Now, one of the keys to that is, clearly, I’m not going to micromanage. I’m going to hire people, or we have good people in place and I’m going to oversee that, but yes, I’m going to take an active role in everything.”
(On what positions he wants to hire in the personnel department besides a general manager)- “That’s in the process of being decided right now and I would have a much better answer for you at the beginning of next week. I know that doesn’t help you much, but we have a number of things we’re looking at. We talked about change and some of that is just restructuring, in my opinion. Sometimes you know you have five people changing the light bulb. We’re going to look at everything and try and streamline things, get good people to do it and work hard and time it from there, but I will have a much better feel for that next week.”
(On if he can go through what he has done since he arrived last night and if Randy Lerner is here)- “The owner was going to be here, but he got trapped. He could not travel because of the weather, so I didn’t have a chance to meet with Randy. We were going to meet today. We will meet tomorrow. I don’t have an office yet so I just ran into the first one that was empty. They set me up pretty good and that’s what I’ve been doing. I’ve been talking to people, putting lists together of potential candidates for any number of things. [I am] trying to evaluate the organization now and how things are set up and learning, really, how things have been done here. If change is necessary, change will take place. If it’s not, it won’t. The other thing, as you would know, I have a stack of messages up there this high. Every guy I’ve ever coached with, played with, went to school with wants a job. I understand that so I am just trying to be fair with those types of things. That’s the kind of day it’s been so far.”
(On if he has contacted any head coaching candidates and if he has a list of candidates)- “That’s a little premature. Like I said, I am meeting with Eric tomorrow. Any list? If I spent a lot of time on a list, it might have been a lot of time wasted. Let’s see how this thing goes during the week. What I’ve always done in my position as a head coach in the league, I’ve always kept lists every year of position coaches, head coaches. I guess an honest answer to your question, I have lists. I have a lot of names. Now, will I ever have to go to that list, we’ll see.”
(On if he generally believes your record is what you are)- “If I understand what you are saying, I think so on one hand. On the other hand, I think over the course of a season, a young team can improve. You can see growth. You can see development. My third year in Seattle, we were 4-9 and having a bad year, I mean not playing very well. Then our quarterback Matt Hasselbeck got hot and he was just starting to feel it, starting to become a quarterback for us.
Then, we won our last three games against playoff caliber teams, San Diego, Atlanta, one other team. We finished the season 7-9 and that was the spring board for what happened in the future and we eventually got to the Super Bowl. We were having a lousy season. The team was way better at the end of the year then it was at the beginning of the year and guys started coming. Shaun Alexander started learning what it was to be in the NFL, all of those things. Your record, that’s what it is. No question about it. Can you improve and can you kind of build on a tough record for the next year because of what happened at the end of the season? I think absolutely you can.”
(On what Mangini needs to present to him in order to stay with the Browns)- “Now Marty (Gitlin), you don’t really expect me to answer that question? I understand the question, but in fairness to everybody, let’s just let this play out. Like I said, hopefully by the end of the week I can make the call.”
(On if having the same coaching philosophies is important to being on the same page with a head coach)- “I think it’s a little bit of the same page. All I care about is for the organization to win and set it up properly. That’s what I want. If you play a 3-4 defense and I am a four man line guy or if you run the spread offense and I am a West Coast guy, I don’t care. I really don’t care. I always thought it was a little bit funny. I learned my trade, if you will, under Bill Walsh who got credit for the West Coast offense, but actually if you asked Bill about it, it was Paul Brown. It’s a term I always thought, with all due respect, I always thought it was a little bit of a lazy term that you guys use sometimes, with all due respect. I took what I learned, I go to wherever I go and I am doing my thing and adding this, adding that, adding that and while philosophically, you might make an argument for West Coast, it was different.
Jon Gruden worked for me.Andy Reid worked for me. (Steve) Mariucci worked for. All of these guys, Mike Sherman. They all learned what we did, but then they go to their places and it changes. I think if you look at football, unless if you are running the Wildcat or one of those things that they are doing now, you see a lot of similarities in offense. I wouldn’t get too bogged down in that. I believe I can contribute a little to the offensive thinking. I’m not going to coach the team. I am not going to coach the team, but in the offseason and meetings, if someone wants to come in and talk football with me, I’d love that. I still enjoy that. I hope they do that, but I have a different gig now. I am not going to coach the football team. We will hire coaches to coach the football team.”
(On who will handle drafting and free agency)- “That also remains to be seen. Right now, I have a lot of titles. I could do it all if I wanted to. I don’t want to. I am going to hire a general manager. I know you guys know this, very few teams, none that I’ve been associated with, with high powered personnel people or presidents or whatever you want to call them, does the guy come in, pound the desk and say, ‘We are taking this guy and I don’t care what anybody thinks.’ There’s one team I can think of that does that, but no one else. If we have a general manager, and I will be involved, absolutely involved, but as to actually who says, ‘We are going to pick this guy on draft day,’? Right now, I couldn’t tell you.”
(On how much input a coach should have in drafting)- “A lot, I coached for 25 years. Absolutely it’s a mistake if whoever has that responsibility on draft day, does not listen to the assistant coaches and [head] coaches. The best example I can give you was, again, when we went to Green Bay and Ron Wolf was my boss. He ran the Packers. He hires me, a first-time head coach. He told me, ‘I will never give you a player you don’t want.’ I realized, he set up the board, but he involved me in everything. I think that’s the best way to do it. These little power groups or little kingdoms in any organization are not healthy. They are not healthy. Part of my job is to make sure that everyone feels that they can contribute and be listened to.”
(On how much he will miss coaching and if he could possibly coach again)- “I think I said I wasn’t going to coach this year. (joking) You know, I don’t know Scott (Petrak). I think maybe afterwards you can ask my wife what she’d rather have me do. I did it. It was so much fun. I enjoyed it. I miss it, and I know I’m going to miss it. I’ve never been one to look back that way. My challenge is to take my new role, help whoever the coach is be as successful as he can be, help him and understand that. I’m in a different place now. If I can feel good about how I’ve helped somebody that way, that’ll be enough for me.”
(On his feelings on his first day on the job)- “It’s invigorating. It’s fun. We had a blast our year off. I got to ride my motorcycle a little bit. We read a lot of books. We were with the grandkids. I mean it was a great year, something I needed. I teased my friends, (Bill) Parcells, (Dick) Vermeil, (John) Madden, all those guys, [after] about 10 years they took a break. They took a break and came back. I never did that. It was 17 years of [work] and I needed to take a break. I didn’t know what I was going to do when I came back. I didn’t know if I was going to get back into football when I left. Like I said, I realized I missed it. There’s something inside of me, the challenge of rebuilding things, it’s just what I like to do. I was a coach first and now I have a different role. I am invigorated.
After talking to Randy Lerner, he was unbelievable with me, unbelievable. He so wants this team to be a great football team for the people of this city, the Browns fans all over the world and he challenged me. When you get that type of support from your owner, he kind of sealed the deal. I’m excited, we’re excited. Someone told me when I came it didn’t snow in Cleveland. In Green Bay, like I said, we’ve experienced a little snow and a little cold at one time or another. It’s going to be fun and exciting. We just roll up our sleeves in the next few weeks and months and do the best job we can of analyzing what we have, where we have to go. I pray all the time for wisdom and discernment, so we’ll see how it goes.”
0 recs | 93 comments
just go to clevelandbrowns.com and watch and listen…its on the frontpage
rockybrown - January 5, 2010
Direct link.
Simmsinns - January 5, 2010
I loved that dig on the Raiders in there. That was great.
Buckeye Brad - January 5, 2010
best laugh i had all day
rockybrown - January 5, 2010
Overall, though, I thought he was great. He’s the kind of guy we need in Cleveland running the organization. I liked a lot of the things I heard from him.
Buckeye Brad - January 5, 2010
Yep Yep, i kinda feel bad for Mangini but I trust this guy to get it done.
Red-Right-88 - January 5, 2010
he’ll cry all the way to the bank
rockybrown - January 5, 2010
Feel bad if Mangini gets fired. I don’t think Holmgren would be fielding a bunch of questions and telling people he doesn’t know yet if he knew he was going to fire Mangini.
rufio - January 5, 2010
I believe that, I believe he doesnt know yet. What a meeting that will Be!
Red-Right-88 - January 6, 2010
Agreed.
rufio - January 5, 2010
God help me I trust this guy at his word…everything he has said, at least, is exactly what is needed here. No bullshit…here it is…and here’s how we’re going to do it.
johnnyphoenix - January 6, 2010
great press conference as far as introductory press conferences go. who better to be the face of the franchise than The Big Show?
rockybrown - January 5, 2010
Chris Jericho.
Avindian - January 6, 2010
Edge.
SpecialBrownie - January 6, 2010
Thanks for bailing me out there, I was hoping someone would get it.
Avindian - January 6, 2010
andre the giant?
notthatnoise - January 6, 2010
Or a fat Val Venis
OSUMoneyball - January 6, 2010
The prospect of Heckert excites me. I’d love to see Holmgren and Heckert tag team on drafts and player acquisition. We’d be in great shape.
Roger Dorn - January 5, 2010
I like the idea of Heckert too… I don’t know much about him, but we share a last name :-) Maybe we’re related? MAYBE HE CAN GET ME SEASON TICKETS??? :-D
shep615 - January 5, 2010
I agree. The Eagles have done very well in the draft over the last decade or so. They made a few big hits and plenty of solid picks with no huge busts. They have also been very disciplined and smart in free agency, saving their cap room to re-sign their own star players rather than blowing it on other team’s cast-offs (Asante Samuel was a rare exception but they need two standout corners with how much they blitz).
Bumblyjack - January 5, 2010
My hesitation in regard to Heckert comes from the fact that Reid had final say on the roster. Without knowing to what extent Reid exercised that authority, it’s hard for me to say that Heckert is a proven commodity.
I can theorize that if he chaffed at getting constantly trumped by the HC he would have jumped to Atlanta last year when he had the chance. But it’s just an unproven theory and leaves me less than certain that he’s the guy to put in charge of the roster.
JustBob - January 6, 2010
Make a decision
This is what I se as not such a great ideal though I do like the Holgram hire. Do not mull over whether we will retain Magini or get rid of him. As I see it, until the decision is made, say nothing about it or any hint of intentions.
From my point of view, I never liked the Mangini hire or how things turned out in the regular season until the second half of the season.
After the game against Baltimore saw much closer and competetive games where Cleveland was not such an easy stroll in the park and finish the season out 4-0 including a win against Pittsburgh I think for the first time since the initail season saw a win against the Steelers.
The one thing to gage how a team is going to perform next year is how a team finishes the season.
Going 4-0 at the end of the season and the three games before the winning streak not such a cake walk for those playing against Clevethe land -I would give Mangini the benefit of the doubt and give him two years to work out all the kinks in the club.
The streak guarantees nothing but is worth seeing what Mangini could do.
GOD'S OTHER SON - January 5, 2010
Interesting name… Nice to meet someone so high up in the heavenly ranks :-p
I agree with alot of what you said. I don’t know how I feel about everyone saying he hinted this way or hinted that way… I find it almost comical. I’ve listened to Cleveland radio shows about how he hinted that Mangini is gone or how he hinted he’s going to stay… It’s like people expect him to lie. I mean, he said he hasn’t made a decision on Mangini yet, I’m inclined to believe him. I also think Holmgren isn’t really mulling over it, really. He’s meeting with Mangini tomorrow and said there would be a decision by this time next week. I think he’s doing an excellent job in the 5 hours he’s officially been on the job :-)
shep615 - January 5, 2010
i don’t think he has hinted at anything really.
and you seriously don’t want him to mull it over? you would rather he just make a decision with no regard for whether or not it is the right one?
notthatnoise - January 5, 2010
Not even meeting him in person and not talking to the players or the people in the organization sounds like the best way to make the decision to me.
rufio - January 5, 2010
Yellow he stays, black he goes.
Red we take him about back and beat him with a rubber hose for a while. Then fire him.
Green he gets a 12 year extension.
Go.
danvail - January 6, 2010
danvail - January 6, 2010
…always bet on black.
johnnyphoenix - January 6, 2010
I was thinking maybe this time around we could hire a GM and then let him and Holmgren talk about the HC position. I know it sounds kinda goofy and will leave us with a few more weeks of rampant speculation, but I’m starting to see a crazy kind of logic in the idea.
JustBob - January 6, 2010
[sarcasm]
That’s preposterous. I don’t understand this at all. That just don’t make no right sense.
[/sarcasm]
:-)
shep615 - January 6, 2010
thank you, now maybe we can stop hearing about that as a reason mangini will be fired.
notthatnoise - January 5, 2010
Amen. Here here. I def. agree 100%.
I’d also add that it seems like the offensive philosophy isn’t as big as everyone thinks it would be in determining the coach/assistant.
shep615 - January 5, 2010
That’s because most NFL teams run similar offenses, like Holmgren pointed out. It certainly isn’t college ball where you are almost forced to marry an offensive style.
I think Holmgren just wants to talk to Mangini a little bit to make sure that his ego won’t get in the way of the organization, that Mangini is a team-first guy, and potentially that his schemes/philosophy are sound.
rufio - January 5, 2010
I absolutely loved that line.
Loved it!
SpecialBrownie - January 5, 2010
I absolutely loved that line.
Loved it!
SpecialBrownie - January 5, 2010
Reply fail. Ugh.
SpecialBrownie - January 5, 2010
If the current rumors come true, then Mangini will be fired, Tom Heckert will be the GM, John Fox will be the head coach, and Jim Zorn will be the offensive coordinator.
Jim Zorn might be brought in if we get John Fox or if we keep Mangini. The idea is that Mike Holmgren would like a defensive-minded head coach along with an offensive coordinator that he sees eye-to-eye with. This makes the hiring of John Gruden unlikely but still leaves open the possibility of Mike reuniting with Jim Mora Jr.
Then again, this is speculation based on rumors and either of which could be wrong.
Bumblyjack - January 5, 2010
I am predicting Zorn and Mangini
I think if Eric whacks Daboll he will stay. If he blindly defends him he is gone.
realmccoy - January 5, 2010
I really don’t see how the rumors could be correct or based on anything more than someone’s guess of what Holmgren will do.
It doesn’t even sound like Holmgren knows what he will do yet.
rufio - January 5, 2010
Last I heard John Fox had a job.
johnnyphoenix - January 6, 2010
johnnyphoenix - January 6, 2010
Just sayin…i would take that guy in a second if we let Mngini go….
….just sayin.’
johnnyphoenix - January 6, 2010
Even if it costs us as much as it cost Tampa Bay to sign Gruden away from the Raiders?
golanbatrac - January 6, 2010
Tampa gave away an ’02 and ’03 first-round pic, plus an ’02 and ’04 second-round draft pic plus 8 Mil?!?! HELL no.
johnnyphoenix - January 6, 2010
I read elsewhere that coach draft pick compensation was outlawed after the Gruden trade. We would not have to worry about that.
Roger Dorn - January 6, 2010
On the plus side of Mangini, he is a defensive minded HC and it is clearly on the offensive side of the coaching staff we need help- and a lot of it.
I wouldn’t mind seeing Mangini & Ryan retained sticking with the 3-4 (our personnel is heavily weighted to a 3-4 anyhow) and re-vamping the whole offensive philosophy. Zorn may well be the man there.
Ryan has done something good with the D despite playing with half a pack of cards and Mangini kept the team playing for him. In fact i wonder whether going so low and taking all the flack was an intentional ploy in the rebuilding process?
LondonBrown - January 6, 2010
Great first press conference. I’m of the belief that Mangini does deserve another year, but he went a long way to making me believe that there are far better options. I am blindly placing my trust in you Mr. Holmgren, please oh please do not break my heart.
Brown's Jays - January 5, 2010
via twitter:
I believe coach Mangini should be our coach again.. Period… anyway, pick one “Underworld” or “Twilight”?
— JoshCribbs16
golanbatrac - January 5, 2010
How about stab a fork into my eye socket?
Roger Dorn - January 5, 2010
I don’t even know what any of that is. More interested in the first half of the comment.
golanbatrac - January 5, 2010
No surpises here. I believe both movies are about vampires. Vampires are quite the rage right now.
Roger Dorn - January 5, 2010
Underworld is the everlasting fight of werewolves and vampires. Twilight is the everlasting love of a girl that a vampire and werewolf fight over.
SpecialBrownie - January 5, 2010
rec
Roger Dorn - January 5, 2010
Is this you?
Simmsinns - January 6, 2010
This site is supposed to be incognito…
SpecialBrownie - January 6, 2010
Twilight blows, and this is coming for a 17 year old girl.
emily522 - January 6, 2010
from a*
emily522 - January 6, 2010
My opinion of you just went up 10 fold
Chief WaDrew - January 7, 2010
Why thank you, haha.
emily522 - January 7, 2010
I, on the other hand, expected nothing less.
RelapsingDawgCatcher - January 7, 2010
underworld came out years ago, before the big vampire craze. its not a good movie, but its entertaining. its certainly nowhere near as bad as twilight.
notthatnoise - January 6, 2010
It has Kate Beckinsale in it, which can compensate for pretty much any script in my book.
LondonBrown - January 6, 2010
amen brother- amen!
findlaybrownslover - January 5, 2010
amen to stabing fork in eye!
findlaybrownslover - January 5, 2010
or a sharp stick.
Red-Right-88 - January 6, 2010
rec… And if I could, I would make this comment green.
shep615 - January 5, 2010
Ah Twilight, the book about a 100+ year old pedophile in love with a teenage girl.
North Coast Flea - January 6, 2010
Love that comment. Nice and straightforward, Josh!
RelapsingDawgCatcher - January 6, 2010
This was really a great first press conference. It sounds like he’s really excited and he has a lot of hope for the community and team. Everything was just awesome.
SpecialBrownie - January 5, 2010
yeah i think this press conference can also put a rest to the “he doesn’t really want to be here” rumors.
notthatnoise - January 6, 2010
i kinda gathered from the question asked to holmgren about j.c., that although he feels that great play should be rewarded( and it should!) like deep down he’s thinking of telling cribbs and his agent, live by your contract for another year or two- or as much as we love you here, we will trade your a@@!! if there was one question during the press conf. that he danced around, i would say it was this one, but i could see holmgren taking a stand on j.c’s contract issues! i would be wrong
findlaybrownslover - January 5, 2010
and quite honestly, i dont think it would be a bad move to trade j.c. to a team like san fran for one of their first round picks and maybe a third or fourth rounder. his trade value right now is high and san fran could use an extra wide receiver and some extra play making ability in their somewhat spread offense, he would also take some of the kick returning duty load off of frank gore, who they love as their running back and has been injured a couple of the past few years. it could be a win-win proposition for both teams the way i see it! i like j.c. as much as the next guy, but we are rebuilding and there are a handful of players in the draft that are multiple position players such as conerback/k.r or w.r./k.r. i just think it would be something to look at as a possibility.
findlaybrownslover - January 5, 2010
I highly doubt we’d get a 1st round pick out of Cribbs. Realistically, he is great at what he does, but I don’t see his trade value being as high as you (or many many Browns fans, for that matter) might think. I love Cribbs. I don’t ever want to see him in anything but a Browns jersey (well, in games, that is… street clothes are just fine). But I think much of his popularity ends in Cleveland and his ridiculous high trade value is only a reality in the minds of those of us here in Cleveland. Like you said, there could be any number of people in the draft that can play the positions Cribbs has. Unless a team is thinking about drafting a kick returner/mediocre WR/wildcat runner with their 1st round pick, there’s no way we get a 1st round pick for him in a trade. 3rd round or MAYBE 2nd round possibly, but no way for a 1st round pick.
shep615 - January 5, 2010
i couldn’t disagree more with this.
johnnyphoenix - January 6, 2010
Which part? There are about 4 points in that statement…
1.) I don’t ever want to see him in anything but a Browns jersey.
Fair enough. I put a high value on him because of his attitude and work ethic along with what he brings to the team with his skills. I think he’s really rare in that sense, and I’d rather not see him leave Cleveland for what we would probably get for him in a trade. But we can disagree on that.
2.) I think much of his popularity ends in Cleveland
I don’t think he’s close to being as popular anywhere else as he is in Cleveland. For one, there aren’t many other teams where he would be the team’s best player on the field like he is in Cleveland. But in the end, I haven’t talked to fans of other teams about how popular Cribbs is, so it’s basically speculation and I wouldn’t spend my time arguing about it. I don’t think it’s that important of a point anyway.
3.) His ridiculous high trade value is only a reality in the minds of those of us here in Cleveland.
I’m not trying to say we couldn’t get good value in a trade for Cribbs. I’m trying to say that we may have an over-inflated view of what kind of value we could get for him. And when I say “we,” I say that understanding there are people that probably have a realistic view of what we could get in return for Cribbs in Cleveland. The statement was meant to be pointed more towards people that think we could get something like a first round pick in exchange for Cribbs. Which is something I’m probably not going to concede easily. I really don’t know of anyone drafted in the 1st round in hopes that they can be a great kick returner or someone that can run the wildcat.
4.) There could be any number of people in the draft that can play the position Cribbs has.
Not trying to say there’s anyone in the draft that can play the position Cribbs has at the same level Cribbs does. I’m just saying the same logic that is used to say “Cribbs is tradeable because we can find someone in the draft” can be used to say “We don’t need to trade a high draft pick for Cribbs because we can find someone in the draft.”
shep615 - January 6, 2010
1. Of course, no one does.
2. This is not true. He is known throughout the league as the best return man in the game….possibly the best ever. Not only that…a threat from any position he plays. Don’t take my word for it….pick any team on SB, and ask. See what they say…
3.The point is moot because the most asinine thing that would happen would be for us to trade Cribbs. Who is even considering such a move? Last I heard he was the only player specifically mentioned to and by Holmgren…essentially that means…PAY THE MAN. We want him here.
This is not just Cleveland media…I think we are all in agreement about this.
4.Well, I suppose. They could try.
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Well, then, he is what we think he is then…right? The best in the business.There’s not anyone in college (realistically), and there certainly isn’t in the NFL. I would say that would, at this point in time, make him the best there is…
johnnyphoenix - January 6, 2010
2. I think you’re right, he is regarded as the best in the league and possibly the best ever… What I’m saying is that at least I like him for more than just his abilities and his success at returning kicks. Attitude, work ethic, how he’s handled the contract negotiations, what he’s done for Cleveland, how he went from UDFA to best in the league through hard work, how he represents the normal hard working day to day blue collar Browns fan, all those things factor into how important he is to me (and I’d assume the same could be said about alot of other fans).
Also, the statement wasn’t meant to make a stand-alone point. It was meant to support the point “I highly doubt we could get a 1st round pick out of Cribbs.”
3. findlaybrownsfan would consider it. That’s who I was responding to. I don’t think anyone in the FO would consider trading Cribbs.
4. They’d probably fail. And yes, I agree with you that he’s the best there is at what he does.
shep615 - January 6, 2010
To play devil’s advocate, his trade value will never be as high as it is right now….
Red-Right-88 - January 6, 2010
Well, seems like now we might see just how high his trade value is. :’(
shep615 - January 7, 2010
Very controlled. Down-to-earth. Likable. Knowledgeable. A great communicator. This is a big day for the Cleveland Browns.
Brownsyup - January 6, 2010
Taaake it easy….want a breath mint Nance?
That opening was a little ‘Triumph of the Will’ style there….EIN team. EIN city. EIN fuhr—uh—CZAR.
johnnyphoenix - January 6, 2010
THIS IS MADNESS! THIS IS CLEVELAND!
SpecialBrownie - January 6, 2010
I was bored.
SpecialBrownie - January 6, 2010
That´s pretty good.
mooncamping - January 6, 2010
…thank you?
SpecialBrownie - January 6, 2010
Hahaha
danvail - January 6, 2010
Your welcome, who did he kick into the well?
mooncamping - January 7, 2010
Cribbs, apparently.
golanbatrac - January 7, 2010
…thas was one of Nance’s first official “AXE”…“Our new president Mike ’HHHHHHHHHolmgren…!”
Holmgren: “My…uh…pleasure….uh…ok there. thanks.” (gives him the six shooter)
lol.
johnnyphoenix - January 6, 2010
Anyways, I’m so thrilled with this I’d like to add one more quick addendum for everyone…
http://vietimes.ytmnd.com/
johnnyphoenix - January 6, 2010
Its about time
Its nice to see that the Browns are committed to winning . Bringing in Holmgren was the best thing the Browns have done since returning to the league in 99. GO BROWNS!
Stdavis9210 - January 6, 2010
This is absolutly the story of Mangini and 2009. His biggest frustration was the Mess he inherited and that it took so long for the players to believe in his system. I think they came on bored after the bye week. That is when they started playing like a team. in Baltimore, they showed up and then continued to improve and believe in the system.
holmes213 - January 6, 2010
I want Roger Dorn at some high level executive position
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