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Francies had the forced fumble. Costanzo just recovered.

And I really hope that the situation is that the coaching staff is noticing all these errors and that they don’t pull a Savage – Crennel regime mistake and fix the wrong things that weren’t bad in the first place you know? It’s very frustrating when the mistakes are blatant even to non football educated fans (not talking of us) and the coaching staff doesn’t even notice it.

SpecialBrownie - September 23, 2009 reply

MM needs to lining up and getting some looks at WR. Harrison and Davis if healthy need to be on the field more than Jamal.
Raven game could get ugly. 31-6. Boy I was wrong about this year. I know only week 3, however this team looks like it needs more preseason games.

Grockcubs - September 23, 2009 reply

good analysis, and i definitely agree with your choice for goat of the game. i lol’d at your comment about the gum chewing.

and damn, i didn’t realized i posted that much during the game! lol

emily522 - September 23, 2009 reply

We picked up the wrong ex Bear RT this off-season and he’s still available (Kirk Barton). Bring the rookie WR along as the season goes on. I agree with you’re goat as well. However, if the same offensive offense happens 3 weeks in a row its Mangini’s fault.

jerseywahoo - September 23, 2009 reply

I still love the Brown pants.

kwoog - September 23, 2009 reply

When I went to college at what was then a terrible D3 football school, we had a chant that, sadly, now seems to fit the way Daboll has called the first couple games:

“Up the middle, up the middle, incompletion, punt!”

woodsmeister - September 23, 2009 reply

We can still pull a 6 win season. Just need to step it up. We have the guys to do it.
I had us losing the first 3 games anyways.

I don’t think the defense is bad at all. When you’re on the field all damn game, you’re bound to make mistakes in the last 20 minutes.

And I’m not going to even talk about next year’s draft… yet. I think it’s too soon. I’ll wait till after the Bowl games and see the final stats. And the next person that says we should get Tebow is definitely certifiable and need a cerebrum scrub .

Brownie's Year - September 23, 2009 reply

I give you credit Chris, I don’t know if I could have written anything about this game.

I have a really scary thought, what are the chances that this teams quits on Mangini? I know it is two weeks and this is WAY to early, but is no one else somewhat worried? I read about stories that the Browns are getting fined crazy amounts and agents steering clients away from the Browns.

Camp Mangini has been portrayed as tough as nails, take no prisoners type guys. That’s all good when your winning. When we are going out and getting our tails kicked, things can turn sour in a hurry. Parcells can act like an ass with his players because they know that they will win. Mangini, not so much. Am I all alone on this?

Bernie19Kosar - September 23, 2009 reply

I think we should award a Dawgsbynature game ball to the player who did the least wrong, but played a lot.

elsandito - September 23, 2009 reply

Also, what happened to the Wildcat formation?

If we can’t play it right, if it doesn’t work for us, if we don’t have a throwing threat – then we shouldn’t use it at all.

9/10 times we run it we give Cribbs the ball to run it. We might as well be calling the opposition defense into the huddle and let them know what we’re doing.

skipkirk - September 23, 2009 reply

B.Quinn, J.Lewis please bench'em.

Cleveland Browns offense is horrible; starting with B.Quinn and J.Lewis. They need to start D.Anderson and play Mass the rookie wr. They should throw some long passes down the field and it will keep opponents defense honest. Also open up the running game for J.Davis,J.Harrison. Bringing back some exciting football, upset in the making! GO BROWNS!

Nuts4359 - September 24, 2009 reply

Good job trying to identify the problems.
I would say we keep working on how we want Browns football to look. And it´s neither Patriots nor Jets football.
We insist on it being played Browns style, and allow the kinks to work themselves out, to include unsuited players.
The offense should be horizontal and vertical. You have to be able to take it through the middle, and win races towards the sideline. You have to be able to access the outside areas as much as any area of the field. We should realise that the long ball is a 50/50 or worse proposition. We value a diverse set of wide receiver patterns, and we view short and medium range passes as a valid threat to the defense on every down. The statistic we´re looking for from our receivers is completions, not yardage, they usually go hand in hand. We value short yardage, and we covet first downs, especially the hard fought ones, this is also an option on every down, meaning two runningbacks in every set. We don´t use alignments that are obviously run or pass, and the line lines up on the line of scrimmage and doesn´t telegraph the play. The proper stance for an offensive lineman is the three point stance. The guards can pull, and we use stunts on rushing plays. The audience and opponent does not know what´s up until the ball is snapped. Our flankers are scary runners. Our wideouts are steady eddies or sprint or jump ball artists.
Our defense is the 3-4. The 3-4 works. We emphasize the d-line wreaking havoc along the offensive line, a 3 man alignment can´t realistically be expected to pass rush. We employ extra defensive backs for blitzes, we realize the point is to rush the quarterback, sacks are cherries. Our linebackers are fast and versatile, there is no overt specialization, except differentiating inside linebackers from outside linebackers. We realize it is important to get to the point of impact fast and impede the progress, and not to look for utopian monster linebackers. Our cornerbacks help in run support, the assist tackle is a major concern for judging their quality, they are appropriately proportioned to face runningbacks and large receivers. The free safety roams and the strong safety defends the latter part of the field. We don´t need gimmicks, or the personell to entertain exotic formations. We stock a definate starter for the 3-4 and the most capable available backup.
People will know what players are Browns staples, we will pursue them openly. To win the starting position is unlikely, to be the first backup is a tremendous honor.
Once again, how we play it, determins who will play it. We play a sporty versatile 3-4.

mooncamping - September 24, 2009 reply

Everyone knows, I am of the opinion we need some major roster changes.
But if we want to compete against the Ravens, we have to get uuuuuugly.
We need Davis and Harrison in a pro formation, and scrap the wideout for Vickers. Mack and Fraley at guards so we can use pulling guards and use stunts. Let the tight end, Royal, be a tight end. Edwards and Cribbs as flankers on both sides. That´s a fully enabled offense. I´m not for this, because if you enable subpar players they become good enough statistically, so as not to be cut. The Ravens superiority just makes me nervous.
Same thing on defense. Uuuugly.
Our biggest guys up front. Rogers, Williams and Rubin. Rotate Rogers around to create mismatches. The two linebackers more suited to a 4-3 middlelinebacker in the middle, Vaikune and D´Quell. Then we need some wheels outside, we have no spectacular speed, but Barton and Maiava most closely resemble it. Against McClain and McGahee, lets hope we don´t see too much of Ray Rice and Troy Smith, we have to bring some wallop, move the larger Pool and Sorensen to cornerback. All in all they´re more tough than fast, let´s bring some weight and not eshew contact.
If they get too obvious with the pass first alignments, lets risk bringing in extra defensive backs to rush the quarterback at extreme angles.
On offense and on defense we have to forgo the long ball threat, that is don´t fool yourself on offense, and don´t give them any on defense.
What this grudge match brings is a new appreciation of talent.
The alternative is to keep with the fancy pantsy, and suck as much as we can, to force roster changes.

mooncamping - September 24, 2009 reply

Chris, Pool had a sack against Minnesota and made some good tackles up near the line. I don’t think Favre threw at him a whole bunch, so not hearing his name is probably good in that context.

I haven’t watched the entire Denver game yet, but I thought he played well against Minnesota.

rufio - September 24, 2009 reply

What do you guys think?
If “Big Jam” doesn’t play this week… how well do you think the Harrison/Davis combo will work?
Hopefully speed can kill.

Brownie's Year - September 24, 2009 reply

Tough to ask much out of Harrison, who even though may be 100%, hasn’t played much since the offseason college.

fixed.

Ryan Kelsey - September 24, 2009 reply

max hall will be a better pro than either tebow or bradford, imo.

athensdawg2 - September 25, 2009 reply

^^that last post was to be a reply to a post up top.^^^

athensdawg2 - September 25, 2009 reply