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A Tale of Two Stories; Browns Both Good and Bad in 34-20 Loss to Vikings

MINNESOTA VIKINGS (1-0) WEEK 1 CLEVELAND BROWNS (0-1)
VS.
34 20

It was a Tale of Two Cities in which our beloved team was taken apart by the others. At the same time, it was a tale of two different games -- one occurring in the first half, and the other occurring in the second half. A football game requires four quarters to win, and ultimately that cost the Browns.

After the game was over, all I could think was, "man, there were a lot of things that impressed me about the Browns in that game over last season, and we still found ourselves 14 points behind". What went wrong? Does something need to change? After letting my level depression settle down for over a day, it's time to recap the positives and negatives that contributed to the outcome of the game.

WEEK 1 - MINNESOTA VIKINGS VS. CLEVELAND BROWNS (GENERAL THOUGHTS)

  1. Goat of the Game - Brady Quinn: This week's goat was difficult to choose, because I don't want to put all of the blame on our quarterback. Ultimately, though, he was involved in the play that single-handedly turned the game around -- an easy interception for the defense that was no where near the vicinity of Braylon Edwards. Throughout the game, Quinn had some other issues as well, namely on passes to Edwards. He threw a slant pass behind him, and on the negated touchdown, the pass was underthrown. For the protection and productivity from the ground game that Quinn received, he should've played significantly better.
  2. Star of the Game - Abram Elam: In his first game as a Cleveland Brown, Elam led the defense with 8 tackles and also recorded a sack. At least for this week, he filled the void left by Sean Jones in the offseason very well, playing to his strengths when he was up near the line of scrimmage. The next test will come when a defense takes a shot deep against him. He also cleanly fielded the Vikings' opening onside kick attempt. A lot of people might think that was easy, but that was Elam, who probably thought there was absolutely no way a fake was coming, making a play on the ball with a lot of Viking gunners closing in on him.
  3. This Just In: Other fans might have had a more depressing football week. As I write this, the New England Patriots just scored their second touchdown in the final two minutes of the game to defeat the Buffalo Bills 25-24. Ouch. Other candidates for teams that had it worse than us are the Cincinnati Bengals and the Carolina Panthers.
  4. Things Started Off Great: I loved the offensive playcalling on the first drive. It started with a nice run to Jamal Lewis on our power left side. After an incompletion, we didn't waste any time getting creative in the Wildcat formation. One play later, Brady Quinn rolled to his right off of playaction and fired a perfect pass to Robert Royal for a big pickup. The drive stalled a little after that, but it was still enough for a field goal.
  5. The Rest of the Time? Eh: After the first drive, it was more of a "what happened" effect. I was very impressed by our ability to run the ball with Jamal Lewis. But, when we couldn't capitalize on the running game's success with positive plays in the passing game, that is a huge problem. Why did it take so long for Mike Furrey or Mohamed Massaquoi to have a ball thrown their way? Even though Braylon Edwards was targeted a few times, a better effort should have been made to get him the ball. Was it Brian Daboll's playcalling, or just Quinn's inability to make the right reads?
  6. Defense Was Beautiful: The last highlight of Adrian Peterson doesn't tell the tale of how well the Browns tackled in comparison to the past few years. Peterson never not going in the first half, largely because whenever he made a move to the outside, a Browns defender was right there to shoot through and make the tackle. It didn't matter whether it was Eric Barton, Kamerion Wimbley, or Abram Elam -- everyone was making plays. The pressure also got to Brett Favre all day long. He was sacked four times! That type of pressure hasn't been seen in Cleveland since the return to the league.
  7. Second Half Defense: It needs to be made clear that our defense isn't anywhere near as good as the Steelers, Titans, Giants, or even the Vikings defenses of the NFL. Despite allowing an opening-possession touchdown in the second half, the Browns were only down 17-13. If our offense doesn't suffer a deflating interception so quickly after that score, I'm not sold on the fact that we still lose the game. More than our defense getting discouraged, it gave the Vikings all the momentum in the world. If our offense can play turnover-free football, our defense is good enough to win some games this year.
  8. Week1lewis_medium Jamal Lewis was effective on the ground game, much to everyone's surprise.
  9. Maybe He Was Saving His Energy: The burst shown by Jamal Lewis was encouraging. It wouldn't have been possible if it weren't for the offensive line, but after Lewis got through the hole, I wanted to see how he finished. Every time, he was falling forward, and even moving the pile forward a few yards here and there. If he can do that against the Vikings' defense, then I'm looking forward to a heavy dose of Lewis this Sunday against the Denver Broncos.
  10. "Royal Roberts" Scouting Report Holds True: (note the gag on Royal's name: it was pronounced that way by color commentator Brian Billick on FOX). When the Browns signed Royal, Buffalo Bills fans made it simple what type of tight end he was -- he is targeted and can clearly catch the ball better than a Darnell Dinkins can, but then he'll suffer quite a few drops. That was evidenced when he caught Quinn's first-drive pass on a rollout and when he scored a touchdown late in the game, but dropped two passes in a row prior to that.
  11. Kamerion Wimbley in for a Year: Besides Elam, I was encouraged to see how often Wimbley was lined up on the opposite side. I saw it at least once, and the pressure got to Brett Favre. That's a check mark in the positive category of Eric Mangini. In Romeo Crennel's entire tenure, he refused to utilize Wimbley in other manners.
  12. Cribbs is Golden: When you need a lift, expect Joshua Cribbs to deliver. His punt return shows the coaching staff why he's asking for a new contract. He had a questionable decision to return the ball out of the end zone at one point after he dropped it, but I'd blame the blockers more for not getting out in front after that at the right time too.
  13. Week1cribbs_medium Joshua Cribbs is still the team's ball of energy.
  14. Goal Line Wildcat: The first play wasn't too bad, as Cribbs nearly got into the end zone. The next play is the one that irked fans. First off, I do not disagree with the philosophy of running the play twice in a row, even at the one-yard line on third down. However, the play call ended up being completely wrong for a few reasons:

    1. The Wildcat is supposed to catch a defense by surprise. After not getting in the first time, the Browns took 38 seconds before running it again. The Vikings were definitely prepared for it, and chances are, Cribbs wasn't going to throw it.
    2. Cribbs was lined up in the shotgun. It takes Cribbs longer to get some momentum because he has to field a high snap. With the predictable play call, Cribbs was dead meat.

    With those two points in mind, Brady Quinn should have been under center. Braylon Edwards is terrific at the fade route, at least on passes from Derek Anderson. I'm sure Quinn can make that same throw -- next time, it needs to be the play.
  15. The Bull Non-Touchdown: Another big momentum changer came when Braylon Edwards' touchdown pick off the ground was negated. The defender interfered with him, forcing Edwards' momentum to carry him a little bit out of bounds. Edwards only established one foot in the field of play before making contact with the football, but his second foot came down less than a half second later. It was a great challenge by Brad Childress, and here is the official rule from the NFL rule book:

    Rule 8, Section 1, Article 3:

    "An eligible receiver becomes ineligible if he goes out of bounds (prior to or during a pass) and remains ineligible until an eligible receiver or any defensive player touches the pass.

    Exception: If the eligible receiver is forced out of bounds because of a foul by the defender, including illegal contact, defensive holding, or defensive pass interference, he will become eligible to legally touch the pass (without prior touching by another eligible receiver or defender) as soon as he legally returns in bounds"
    .

    The officials got the call right based on the rule book. That doesn't change the fact that it was a buzz killer for a team waiting for their first offensive touchdown in a loooooooonngg time (at that point of the game). With that said, again, if Quinn's pass is more on target, it's an easy touchdown.
  16. Offensive Line Protection: This is another case where if you look at the stat sheet, saying "the offensive line did a solid job against the Vikings' defense" sounds silly since Quinn was sacked five times. As far as I'm concerned, when the game counted still, only one of those sacks were legitimate (when Kevin Williams drilled Quinn in the second quarter). The other sacks came on when Quinn ate it instead of a Hail Mary pass to end the first half, when Quinn "fumbled" with the empty hand pass, and then twice when we were already down big time.
  17. Joe Thomas on Jared Allen: Did we hear Jared Allen's name mentioned at all against the Browns? Nope. That's a credit to Joe Thomas, who owned Allen all game long. Allen also registered one assisted tackle for the game.
  18. Dawson Good, Coverage Not: It was nice to see Phil Dawson booming kicks into the end zone. In coverage though, the Browns were surprisingly below average. No tackles from Nick Sorensen, Blake Costanzo, OR Gerard Lawson? Those three guys are active solely for special teams usage; not having one tackle between the three of them is inexcusable.
  19. Brett Favre: For his first game, Favre wasn't great. But, he didn't have a Kurt Warner or Jake Delhomme day, and when the Vikings had the momentum in the second half, he rolled with it. Overall, that's a positive day for Favre.
  20. Less Shotgun and Draws: I can understand the shotgun so often if Derek Anderson is in the backfield, but why did we run it so often with Brady Quinn? It seemed to serve no purpose to advance our gameplan. Also, I understand a "give up draw play" here and there, but not as often as we did it.
  21. Lucky Non-TD Break: I think it was Sidney Rice who got screwed on a deep pass from Brett Favre. The receiver caught the pass and both of his toes came down right near the out of bounds end zone line at the same time. At first sight, it looked incomplete, and the official ruled it that way. On a close replay, he appeared to be in. Fortunately, the Vikings were out of challenges.
  22. Brownies: Nice to see Shaun Rogers playing and getting a sack...the number of stops on 3rd-and-1 by the Browns in the first half showed toughness...James Davis' first day was a lackluster one with five yards on four carries...why did we activate Brian Robiskie instead of a Cedric Peerman or Martin Rucker?

I like taking the positives, and because of the first half, the first game wasn't a complete loss. A lot of our success will depend on the maturity of Brady Quinn. Sure, it'd be nice for him to have a Matt Ryan or Mark Sanchez type of success at a whim, but sometimes you need to go through a few growing pains. When Quinn begins to roll the entire game, so will the rest of the team for four quarters. Bring on the Broncos!

Star-divide

Here is the roll call of who participated in the game thread, with rufio having the most to say...

Roll Call: rufio, Roger Dorn, hashishkabob, theW0LF, tmptplayer, ChrisPokorny, Simmsinns, Dawg Nuts, kwoog, DisplacedBuckeye, DaytonDogg, GuamND, charliefryfanhaha, Bernie19Kosar, Guage80, Flag Up, BringBackKosar, hayscent, RelapsingDawgCatcher, SteelFever, skipkirk, BrownDawg1409, Buckeye Brad, Fundamentals, RudeMood19, orangemocha, BradyQuinnisBeast, Legoman0721, APV, woodsmeister, dgcambridge, aufrank, Dawgger, Joe Charboneau, Donald Driver, steelerstyle, gahnki, joeee, mgtbfb, irish1083, emily522, Pruitt, Rocland, DontCallMeJoey, JustBob, athensdawg2, Browns town, Cols714
Total Users: 48
Total Posts: 1001
Total Threads: 2

Name# of Posts
rufio 156
BringBackKosar 128
Buckeye Brad 101
kwoog 73
ChrisPokorny 68
DisplacedBuckeye 64
RudeMood19 51
Simmsinns 41
Flag Up 32
BradyQuinnisBeast 24
woodsmeister 24
RelapsingDawgCatcher 21
tmptplayer 19
orangemocha 18
skipkirk 17
BrownDawg1409 16
Guage80 16
emily522 15
Roger Dorn 15
APV 12
Fundamentals 10
Donald Driver 9
hayscent 8
Dawgger 7
steelerstyle 4
Pruitt 4
DontCallMeJoey 4
SteelFever 4
DaytonDogg 4
mgtbfb 3
athensdawg2 3
theW0LF 3
GuamND 3
aufrank 3
Legoman0721 3
Cols714 3
Joe Charboneau 2
Browns town 2
gahnki 2
Bernie19Kosar 1
Rocland 1
JustBob 1
joeee 1
dgcambridge 1
Dawg Nuts 1
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Comments

Brady Quinn Scrambling

I was at the game so I don’t know what was shown on TV or what the announcers said, but it seemed to me that Brady Quinn was able to scramble away from several sacks and finish the play. I liked his escapability.

Also many of us in the stands were laughing at the Vikings punt following the one Cribbs returned for a touchdown. It looked like they kicked it out of bounds on purpose jus to keep it away from Cribbs.

Cribbs Returns

Whatever yardage Cribbs was credited with, add the yardage saved by the above mentioned punt.

Also, the game opening kickoff, credit Cribbs with fifty yards even though he did not touch the ball. Cribbs forced the onside kick.

On the Edwards rule:

Does he " legally return in bounds" when his second foot touches in bounds? Where is that in the rulebook?

It seems to me that he should be considered in-bounds as soon as any part of his body touches the ground of the playing field (as in basketball). A second foot should need to touch in-bounds if the first point of contact was not a knee or elbow in order for him to establish possession.

So:
Gets pushed out, gets one foot in, catches ball, does not get second foot in
should be pass incomplete

and

Gets pushed out, gets one foot in, catches ball, gets second foot in
should be a complete pass.

I don’t doubt that the officials got the call right on Sunday, but it seems bogus to me that both feet should have to be in after getting pushed out and before catching the ball (as in: the rule should be different than it is now). It didn’t decide the game for us, but it’s just awfully weird.

Edwards Ruling

The rulebook states that the player must “re-establish” himself inbounds, this means both feet have to touch in bounds before he can make the catch. As much as I wanted the 4 extra points, the referee called the play correctly.

It’s a bad rule, but was called correctly.

Right, as I said I don’t doubt they got the call correct according to the current rule. The rule shouldn’t be that way.

It didn’t decide the game for us

True, as our defense probably would have still worn out in the 3rd quarter, and AP was bound to make some plays. Although, it was no doubt a momentum killer for our offense. A young quarterback starting in his first season opener probably could have gained mentally from a TD pass to take the lead on a heavily favored opponent.

Wimbley has 1 sack and 3 QB hits.

In 2008, he had 4 sacks and 9 QB hits.

I think it’s safe to sat that Mangini and Ryan have unlocked Wimbley’s potential!

Let’s hope it stays that way!

Having QB competition last the entire pre-season cost Quinn valuable time with the receivers. I believe this contributed greatly to the problems we saw on Sunday. If we are to win some games this year, Quinn and Edwards have to be on the same page. Edwards is our only real threat at WR. I was impressed with our running game though against Minnesota’s defense. I’m anxious to see J. Harrison back on the field to open up the offense a little more. I’m anxious to see how the team performs next Sunday now against a Broncos team that we should beat. GO BROWNS!

Pre-season Reps

I don’t buy the “Quinn didn’t have enough time or reps” argument at all. Compare to 2 seasons ago when Anderson got called up after Frye layed an egg in the 1st half of the Pittsburgh game. Anderson came into the game cold into a lost cause and threw for 184 yards. How many reps had Anderson got in pre-season? He was not even supposed to be the guy. So what happens then? He goes into the next game with Cincy and goes 20-33 for 328 yards and 5TDs. He showed us a spark. Two weeks later (I’m leaving out the Raiders debacle which I do not think you can put on Anderson’s shoulders at all) the Browns play Baltimore and Anderson is 10-18 for 204 yards and 2 TDs. The point of this whole history lesson is that we should expect big things from Quinn right now. He has been in this league long enough to start making big plays and to start having good games.
If you look across the league there is no correlation between pre-season reps and good performances. I’m not for pulling Quinn or anything like that at this point but my expectations for his performance are high. If he is going to be the guy he has to start performing now. Now excuses.

Brady Quinn had roughly the same amount of reps as Drew Brees in the preseason.

True, but Drew Brees has been a starting QB for many seasons.

He might have gotten the same amount of snaps in the preseason but did he get the same amount with the first team as Drew Brees got?

I don’t put a lot of weight on the preseason reps either, but the number of real game starts seems different to me. I want to see growth out of BQ, but I’ll give him a few games under live fire before I’ll start worrying….

I agree. Lets not throw BQ under the bus just yet. He still put up 200+ yards and led us to 13 points (not including cribb’s runback) against one of the best D’s in the league

Don’t forget, that a few plays before the “Edwards Ruling” Vickers clearly fumbled the ball away but the officials gave it back to us because “no clear recovery” was seen on the tape . . . so we were actually lucky to get 3 there.

Right, but I’m not sure the Vikings recovered the ball. Steve Heiden was in the pile and looked like he had his hands on the ball but it was impossible see clearly who had possession.

I loved the announcers on this one. They were on some sort of Favre spiel when the call got challenged and they had no idea there was even a fumble.

There was another Browns player already on the ground with the first Vikings guy that Billick did not see, also.

Great analysis on this game by Chris. I think he has extracted the main take-aways from the game. So now we have to see something in Denver. The last time Quinn started against Denver he lit them up pretty good and it has been his best outing to date. Unfortunately it was a loss in a Cutler TD fest. This next game is going to be a very telling game for the Browns and for Brady Quinn. I think we have the team to beat Denver.

Definitely a winnable game. I am pretty excited to see if our D can play an entire game the way that they did for 30 minutes last Sunday.

If our D can play that way we’ll shut them out. We held Favre and Peterson to 10 points in the first half. We’re going up against Orton and whatever high school kid Denver has managed to put in the backfield this week. Without that miracle of a reception they would have only put up 6 points against Cincy.

and whatever high school kid Denver has managed to put in the backfield this week.

That was last year. This year, Buckhalter, Hilis, and Moreno are all ready to go for them, even if Moreno isn’t 100%. All 3 of those guys would have made the Browns. Hillis and Moreno have the potential to become really good players in the NFL.

Orton, though…I agree.

If the Browns would have been man-handled all game (which was predicted by the talk shows), I wouldn’t have been surprised. But when you’re winning at the half and end up losing by 14, or 21 really, it’s kind of depressing.
But it is what it is. I saw enough good aspects of the team to not get sooo worried.

This week will be different. The Broncos look horrible and it should be a win for the Browns. This game needs to be our confidence booster for the following game against Baltimore.

I’m looking at this game as a confidence booster. Guys, the Vikings are really, really good. And we were right there for 30 minutes.

Offense would have looked much better if Edwards’ catch had been ruled a TD. Also, in the moral victory stat line, I don’t recall Edwards dropping balls.

However, I hate the focus on Robert Royal. Why are we throwing so much to a medioce TE who drops the ball so much? As much of a poison as Winslow had been, I miss his presence on those routes.

Defensively, I loved our pressure. Four sacks, and if I remember correctly Rogers had a sack nullified by a holding call on the Vikings. Fantastic.

Those sacks don’t count? I thought they added 10 yards to the end of the sack.

I am pretty sure you get to choose to take the penalty or the sack. Don’t know why we didn’t take the sack.

That was my thought at first but then i thought they just added it on. That would piss me off if I was Rodgers.

We took the sack. The penalty was declined.

Correct. The referee just misspoke.

We took the sack. Im pretty sure

We were throwing to Royal because Minnesota left him open. I only looked at the 1st quarter’s worth of tape, but it looked like the Safeties were really saying wide in that Cover-2 to help with the WRs, leaving Royal to work the middle of the field vs usually one LB.

He made a couple nice catches, including one where Quinn tried to save him a big hit by throwing a touch pass slightly behind him and he had to adjust his route to make a nice catch.

He is definitely no K2, though. I would have liked to have seen Furrey or one of the rookies running those routes over Royal, but apparently we looked to run a lot against the Vikes.

Guys. Not to be pessimistic but the Raiders are better than us so far. That hurts. But it’s only one game and we don’t have much ground to cover to pass the Raiders. They played a lack luster Bolts team too so who knows.

Raiders played great last night. They went away from the run game to early. McFadden and Bush killed SD early. JaMarcus Russell is never going to be worth a first rounder.

The team carried him. Hands down.

Michael Bush> Reggie Bush

Jus’ sayin

Does anyone think we could trade for Michael Bush?

We can still beat them.

Oaktown??!!!

DUDE… are you freaking kiddin’ me? The Raiders didn’t look that good at all. The Chargers looked like crap. But they showed at the end what they can do. It’s a shame we don’t play Oakland again. ‘Cause it would be a win, for sure.

The Raiders are FLAT.

I think it was more the Raiders playing good than the Chargers playing poorly. Oakland dominated the LOS the entire game.

One thing that I’ve been wondering about, because I didn’t really take note during the game. Were so many of Quinn’s throws to Royal and Lewis because Edwards and Cribbs couldn’t get open? Also, did anyone notice how many snaps Massoquoi and Furrey actually had?

I was stoked to see the defense play so well. You could tell a difference in downhill nature this defense played. I was skeptical, but after one game count me as a fan. They just wore down late in the game.

I know that Quinn’s strength is the short passing game, but I think the INT and the non-TD pass to Edwards were the only deep balls that Quinn threw. That isn’t encouraging.

Lewis ran better than I thought he would. Davis not so much.

Joe Thomas is amazing. As is Rogers. We gotta shot on Sunday.

Joe thomas’s blocking blew my freaking mind. Crazy mullet man who?

Quinn threw his TD 20+ yards in the air. There were more long throws. Not as many as we are used to, but it did seem to me that when we had players running downfield routes, Minnesota was very intent on taking them away.

Quinn often checked to pass plays when Min had 8 in the box (just like Bernie has been asking for for years) but the problem was that we often had both Royal and Heiden in the game when they put 8 up there. A lot of the time (in the 1st quarter, at least), both safeties left the middle of the field open and covered Cribbs/Edwards deep. This left Heiden and Royal to try to exploit that seam, and they just aren’t that fast.

Alex Mack

Good:
He seemed to hold his own against their big DTs. I thought the whole line blocked well on pass and run.
Bad:
You mentioned it briefly but I remember a number of times being frustrated with his poor snaps. No excuse for that!

I think you’re right on both counts. I expect his snaps to improve pretty quickly. It seemed to me that he rushed the snap several times when the QB was in shotgun. Considering who he was facing, it’s pretty understandable that he might have been focused on getting into blocking position as quickly as possible. I expect to see him do better this week.

Hasishkabob is a sweet name. I don’t care what anyone says.

#31

I’m SOOOO glad ya’ll aint raggin on Jamal Lewis… he had a pretty decent game.. lookin forward to Denver

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