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Cleveland Browns Family Fun Day Scrimmage Recap - Anderson (Brown) vs. Quinn (White)

It wasn't the most exciting event, but I was thrilled to see some Cleveland Browns football live. The heat lived up to its expectations, as it had to be near 95 degrees with no periods of shade in sight. I arrived when the gates opened and originally sat around the 40-yard line in the fourth row. A few minutes later, knowing that I would be taking notes throughout the game and preferred not to have the sun on me throughout the whole scrimmage, I moved to the very last row where there is a slight overhang providing shade.

Star-divide

I was disappointed to find out that they weren't doing dollar hot dogs this year. I'm a real stickler for the price of food at a stadium, so $5 a hot dog was out of the question for me. Although, technically I had spent $6 at the stadium the year before ($5 admission + $1 hot dog), so one $5 hot dog would've been less money. That didn't matter to me, I decided to spend nothing.

If I had to do it again, I probably could've walked in at 1:00 p.m. and gotten the same seats I got. The lower bowl was probably around 50% full; there were about three open seats on both sides of my group. The practice routine was nothing out-of-the-ordinary, but it did give me a chance to jot down which players were on the Brown Team and which players were on the White Team. I almost got everybody, and as I started writing down names, the reason certain people were on certain teams made sense. The Brown offense had the No. 1 team, but the No. 2 defense. The White offense had the No. 2 team, but the No. 1 defense. This way, it would be the No. 1 offense vs. the No. 1 defense (and vice-versa for the twos). Ryan Pontbriand, Phil Dawson, and Dave Zastudil were on both teams. Here were the rosters:

Pos BROWN TEAM
WHITE TEAM
QB Derek Anderson
Brett Ratliff
Brady Quinn
Richard Bartel
RB Jamal Lewis
James Davis
Jerome Harrison
Noah Herron
FB Lawrence Vickers

WR Braylon Edwards
Mike Furrey
Mohamed Massaquoi
David Patten
Paul Hubbard
Brian Robiskie
Joshua Cribbs
Lance Leggett
Jordan Norwood
TE Robert Royal
John Madsen
Aaron Walker
Martin Rucker
Steve Heiden?
OL Joe Thomas
Eric Steinbach
Alex Mack
Floyd Womack
John St. Clair
Dustin Fry
Ryan Tucker
Hank Fraley
Isaac Sowells
George Foster
Kurt Quarterman
Branndon Braxton
DL Corey Williams
Ahtyba Rubin
C.J. Mosley
Louis Leonard
Melila Purcell
Kenyon Coleman
Shaun Rogers
Robaire Smith
Santonio Thomas
Adam Hoppel
LB Alex Hall
Leon Williams
David Veikune
Kaluka Maiava
Titus Brown
Phillip Hunt
Blake Costanzo
Kamerion Wimbley
D'Qwell Jackson
Eric Barton
David Bowens
Beau Bell
Bo Ruud
Marcus Benard
S Mike Adams
Nick Sorensen
Bret Lockett
Brodney Pool
Abram Elam
Hamza Abdullah
CB Roderick Hood
Hank Poteat
Coye Francies
Brandon Anderson
Eric Wright
Brandon McDonald
Corey Ivy
Gerard Lawson
ST Ryan Pontbriand
Phil Dawson
Dave Zastudil
Ryan Pontbriand
Phil Dawson
Dave Zastudil

A couple of roster notes: I was not able to spot Steve Heiden, so I'm not sure if he played or not. I also didn't see Charles Ali, which would make sense since he has been out. I neglected to look who played fullback for the white team, although neither team really ran a lot of running plays. I think Noah Herron is doubling as a fullback for the White team.

In terms of who was on what team, I guess these would stand out the most:

  • Brian Robiskie with the second-string offense.
  • Ryan Tucker and Hank Fraley with the second-string offense.
  • Corey Williams with the second-string defense.
  • Alex Hall with the second-string defense.

Let's get to the practice. I'll do a drive-by-drive rough layout of the plays, along with notes (if necessary for each drive). The Brown team has won the toss and chosen to receive the ball, and we're underway right at 1:00 p.m. There were four quarters, each lasting ten-minutes each. There are officials on the field, and contact will be allowed but it is not permitted to take a player to the ground.

FIRST QUARTER

Drive One: Brown on Offense, White on Defense

  • Dawson kicks off, receiver fields ball in end zone and takes a knee for a touchback. Drive starts at the 20.
  • 1st-and-10 = Handoff to Jamal Lewis, with the play designed to the left. Shaun Rogers busts through and stuffs Lewis for a loss of four, but really the whole defense was there.
  • 2nd-and-14 = Anderson tries a screen pass to Jamal Lewis, but it's incomplete as Robaire Smith sniffed the play out.
  • 3rd-and-14 = Anderson turns and throws to Braylon Edwards at the line of scrimmage, and he runs it for a seven-yard gain. Not enough for the first, so it's time to punt.
  • 4th-and-7 = Joshua Cribbs fielded the punt and had about a 20-yard return. It looked like he was off for a touchdown, but the refs blew him out of bounds somewhere I guess.
  • Notes: A solid first drive for the defense, but one of those opening drives that seemed typical of the Browns last year, with a slow start right off the bat and trying to claw your way back.

Drive Two: White on Offense, Brown on Defense

  • Drive starts at the 49 yard line.
  • 1st-and-10 = Brady Quinn is under center and takes the snap. He playfakes and looks to be going deep. He fires a bomb into the end zone and Lance Leggett makes a great catch with two defenders right trailing him for a touchdown. XP from Dawson is good.
  • Notes: Wow, what a bang! It looked like Roderick Hood and Nick Sorensen were the two defensive backs that were beaten by Leggett. Quinn threw the ball from about his own 40, so it traveled a good 60 yards in air. Now it's time to see how Anderson responds to Quinn's impressive start.
  • SCORE: WHITE TEAM 7, BROWN TEAM 0.

Drive Three: Brown on Offense, White on Defense

  • Dawson kicks another touchback. Someone was offsides on the kicking team, so the drive will start at the 25.
  • 1st-and-10 = Anderson throws to Royal but the pass is incomplete, with the coverage by Abram Elam.
  • 2nd-and-10 = Anderson takes the snap but right away Robaire Smith comes unblocked through the middle of the line. He touches Anderson for the 10-yard sack.
  • 3rd-and-20 = Screen pass to James Davis. He does a nice job gaining 15 yards, but the defense was basically just trying to prevent a first down here.
  • 4th-and-5 = Gerard Lawson now fields the punt, and he bobbles it! It doesn't hit the ground, but it was a bobble that would've made your heart race on gameday. Minimal gain after that.
  • Notes: Another three-and-out for the first-team offense. Hard to judge Anderson at this point since the sack wasn't his fault, but 0-for-2 on offense has to say something. After the punt, we hear whistles and the stadium announcer saying "this is a simulated TV timeout", drawing some laughs throughout the stadium.

Drive Four: White on Offense, Brown on Defense

  • Drive starts at the 30 yard line.
  • 1st-and-10 = Draw play to Jerome Harrison who takes it for about 8 yards.
  • 2nd-and-2 = A quick WR pass in the flat to Brian Robiskie, but he's taken down for a loss of one.
  • 3rd-and-3 = Either Brady Quinn or Brian Robiskie misread this play, but either way there is a miscommunication. Robiskie is covered one-on-one at the top of your television screen (just imagine there is one), and Quinn throws a floater up the field pretty quickly. However, Robiskie stops, almost expecting a comeback route. The pass sails to nowhere land, and it's time to punt.
  • 4th-and-3 = Mike Furrey fields the punt a little deep for my liking at the five and takes it for a little gain, but there's a block in the back called. Half the distance to the goal, brought back to the 8-yard line.
  • Notes: The two plays to Robiskie were negatives. I'd still like to know who was at fault on the third-down play. Even if both players made the right read though, it appeared as though the corner had pretty good coverage on the play.

Drive Five: Brown on Offense, White on Defense

  • Drive starts at the 8 yard line...oh boy.
  • 1st-and-10 = Dump pass to Robert Royal falls incomplete.
  • 2nd-and-10 = Anderson has some time to throw and sees Robert Royal with a slight opening over the middle. He fires a rope to him about 15 yards, but D'Qwell Jackson extends out and does a tremendous job tipping the pass away.
  • 3rd-and-10 = The third time is the charm I guess, as Anderson again goes to Robert Royal. This time the pass is complete for 13 yards and the team's first first down.
  • 1st-and-10 = Anderson is again throwing, this time a pass to rookie WR Mohamed Massaquoi by the sidelines for about a gain of 8.
  • 2nd-and-2 = Anderson throws a sideline pass to Mike Furrey but it is too high and out of bounds. Timeout.
  • 3rd-and-2 = Shotgun formation, draw to James Davis is enough for a first down as D'Qwell Jackson is in on the tackle.
  • 1st-and-10 = Anderson is getting comfortable now as he fires another strike to Mohamed Massaquoi for 16 yards and a first down.
  • 1st-and-10 = With pressure from Adam Hoppel (I think), Anderson throws a sideline pass to Mohamed Massaquoi for 6 yards. Massaquoi did a great job keeping his feet in bounds.
  • 2nd-and-4 = Anderson dumps it off over the middle to James Davis, who takes it for about an 11-yard gain.
  • 1st-and-10 = Corner blitz comes and Anderson's pass on a designed WR screen (this one had blocking set up from the other receivers on that side of the field) is tipped at the line of scrimmage by Corey Ivy. If Ivy didn't tip it, the play would've gotten some good yardage.
  • 2nd-and-10 = WR Paul Hubbard gets in on the action with an 11 yard catch and another first down.
  • 1st-and-10 = For the first time this drive I think, Anderson is not in shotgun but rather in single back formation. Before the play gets started, Shaun Rogers busts through the line and is called for encroachment.
  • 1st-and-5 = We're now 20 yards away from the end zone, as Anderson is trying to complete a potential 92-yard drive. With five receivers wide, Anderson fires it to Edwards for a gain of 6 and a first down.
  • 1st-and-10 = I'm not sure who the receiver is, but Anderson has him running a post route from the slot at the top of your screen to the middle of the field. Anderson fires the ball on a rope with the receiver having inside position on the player covering him, but OH NO! D'Qwell Jackson jumps the route from the other direction and intercepts the pass! Run DQ, run! Jackson takes it from the goal line to the 42-yard line before being called down.
  • Notes: After an impressive drive, it ended in typical Anderson fashion with a heartbreaker. He had done a greta job moving the ball down the field with underneath routes and sideline passes. He took a chance by going over the middle when he really didn't need to, because it appeared he has some receivers open underneath again. Nonetheless, Jackson is having a fantastic game so far, as is the first-string defense. I don't know why the Browns were in shotgun in just about every play of this drive.

Drive 6: White on Offense, Brown on Defense

  • Drive starts at the 42 yard line after DQ's pick.
  • 1st-and-10 = Empty backfield, Quinn drops back and throws it to Joshua Cribbs for 8 yards.
  • That's the end of the first quarter. Richard Bartel is warming up, so I assume he's about to come in...

SECOND QUARTER

(continued)

  • ...and sure enough, Richard Bartel is under center. I haven't heard much in camp about him or Brett Ratliff, so I'm interested a little to see what they have to offer. Bank on Anderson/Quinn returning in the second half.
  • 2nd-and-2 = Noah Herron is in the game, and he carries it for 1 yard.
  • 3rd-and-1 = Bartel throws to Brian Robiskie, but the pass is incomplete due to great coverage by rookie CB Coye Francies. Time to punt.
  • 4th-and-1 = Furrey calls a fair catch at the 15-yard line.
  • Notes: The White team failed to capitalize on good field position, but they are setting the Brown team back again. Brett Ratliff is coming in for the Brown team in relief of Anderson.

Drive 7: Brown on Offense, White on Defense

  • Drive starts at the 15 yard line.
  • 1st-and-10 = James Davis on the carry is brought down for a loss of one by Kamerion Wimbley.
  • 2nd-and-11 = David Patten turns his body towards Ratliff at the snap and expects a quick pass to him. Instead, Ratliff throws the ball about five yards up the field past him. if a cornerback had been there, that would've been begging for a pick six.
  • 3rd-and-11 = Dump pass underneath to James Davis. Two defenders are there and play the "contain game", as Davis only gets a few yards.
  • 4th-and-7 = Another great punt by Dave Zastudil, about 60 yards, as Gerard Lawson is running backwards to catch it at the last second. He dances around and settles for the loss he has already created.
  • Notes: Another three-and-out for the Brown team, as Ratliff looked a bit shaky. So far, Davis hasn't really gotten anything in the run game, but I'm extremely annoyed by the whistle being blown when a running back gets touched. None of this scrimmage accounts for potential broken tackles on run plays (or YAC on passes if a receiver is touched).

Drive 8: White on Offense, Brown on Defense

  • Drive starts at the 17 yard line.
  • 1st-and-10 = Bartel throws it to Martin Rucker for a gain of 9 yards.
  • 2nd-and-1 = Harrison takes the carry for no gain.
  • 3rd-and-1 = Bartel does a QB sneak, which in my book is a cheat in scrimmages because you're not allowed to kill the quarterback. Oh well.
  • 1st-and-10 = False start on Kurt Quarterman.
  • 1st-and-15 = Quick pass to Joshua Cribbs for a 9 yard gain.
  • 2nd-and-6 = Another pass to Joshua Cribbs, this time for about seven yards and a first down. Ball is at the 39-yard line.
  • 1st-and-10 = Bartel throws the screen pass to Harrison, but the defense is all over it. Not only were three guys in Bartel's face, three guys were covering Harrison as he caught the ball. Loss of four on the play.
  • 2nd-and-14 = A few people needed to get by me on this play, so I didn't hear who the players involved were. I peaked at the OBR twitter feed, and it appears that Noah Herron might have caught the pass for a gain of 5 yards.
  • 3rd-and-9 = Bartel is sacked by Louis Leonard, bringing the two-minute warning after the play.
  • 4th-and-alot = Another good punt by Dave Zastudil, with Mike Furrey bringing it out to the 18 yard line.

Drive 9: Brown on Offense, White on Defense

  • Drive starts at the 18 yard line.
  • 1st-and-10 = Ratliff fires incomplete to Robert Royal with good coverage from Hamza Abdullah on the play.
  • 2nd-and-10 = Sideline pass to Mike Furrey for 16 yards and a first down.
  • 1st-and-10 = Pressure comes on the play and David Bowens gets the sack on Ratliff.
  • 2nd-and-14 = Ratliff throws to Mike Furrey but Brandon McDonald is there to defend the play, incomplete.
  • 3rd-and-14 = One again on third-and-long for the Brown team, they dump it off underneath to James Davis for a gain of seven. Yawn. Timeout by the other team to save some clock.
  • 4th-and-7 = This one is Dave Zastudil's finest one of the afternoon. The ball had to net around 70 yards as it was downed at the three-yard line by a diving Blake Costanzo.
  • Notes: The first-team defense has been getting some decent pressure, causing a lot of third-and-longs. A lot of the plays the teams are getting pressure on appear to be in the 3-4 solid defensive sets, although I am no where near as good as recognizing these formations as someone like rufio would be. Plus, in trying to jot down notes, I'm forced to focus more on what the offense does and have to try to quickly check the defense on the titantron replay.

Drive 10: White on Offense, Brown on Defense

  • Drive starts at the 3 yard line.
  • 1st-and-10 = With barely any time on the clock, Noah Herron takes it for a three-yard gain as the clock ticks down to half-time.
  • Notes: The scrimmage started exciting, but once the backup quarterbacks came in, the action was kind of boring, as expected. This is a full 15-minute half-time coming up, with youth organizations on the field getting to play against each other (two games, one on each side of the field). I am annoyed by seeing both teams do nothing but pack the line and go for running plays every single time. Not one pass. Even though that's a lot about what these levels of football are about, I hate that. The score is still 7-0 Brown team at the half.

THIRD QUARTER

Drive 11: White on Offense, Brown on Defense

  • Dawson kicks off deep again, but Joshua Cribbs decides to bring it out this time to the 17-yard line. Brady Quinn is coming back in at quarterback.
  • 1st-and-10 = Playfake and a pass to Lance Leggett, just like their first play of the first half. This time, it's only for 11 yards.
  • 1st-and-10 = Quinn takes the shotgun snap and has a weird poise, just standing there as if nothing is happening. Then he throws to Leggett again, but the pass is incomplete with Coye Francies having good coverage.
  • 2nd-and-10 = Jerome Harrison gets the ball for a gain of only run. He's really not finding much room to run, but neither are any of the other running backs. The holes are closing up pretty quickly though.
  • 3rd-and-9 = Quinn has a ton of time to throw on this play. Finally, he sees Lance Leggett over the middle and takes a chance to him. Leggett has the ball at first, but Coye Francies appears to get his hand in the way at the same time, causing the ball to deflect high in the air. No other defenders are around for the pick, so it falls incomplete.
  • 4th-and-9 = A weird read by Mike Furrey on the punt here, as he has looked tentative all game in returns. The ball hits the ground at the 20 and he lets it bounce all the way to the 10.
  • Notes: Of the second-team players, I've taken notice of Coye Francies. He has really done a great job at playing tight coverage and deflecting some passes. Lance Leggett has been the target most of the day for Quinn.

Drive 12: Brown on Offense, White on Defense

  • Drive starts at the 11 yard line.
  • 1st-and-10 = Anderson starts off with a high pass to Mohamed Massaquoi that he can't pull in, as it goes through his hands. The pass was catchable, but Anderson could have made it easier since they weren't very far away from each other.
  • 2nd-and-10 = It's another high pass from Anderson, this time to Jamal Lewis in the flat for a small three yard gain. D'Qwell Jackson was all over him when he caught it.
  • 3rd-and-7 = There's a breakdown in the play, so Anderson bails and rolls out to his left. Luckily, he finds Mike Furrey open for a nine yard gain and a first down.
  • 1st-and-10 = Anderson takes the snap and pressure is coming again...Shaun Rogers with the sack! He runs off to the side and does a little sack celebration. Derek Anderson sort of throws the football at him. Whether it be playful or out of frustration (I couldn't tell), Anderson is given an unsportsmanlike conduct penalty, adding to the big loss on the play. The team is now backed up to the 7 yard line.
  • 2nd-and-25 = Draw play to Jamal Lewis for a meaningless gain of two.
  • 3rd-and-23 = The defense leaves the middle of the field open, so Anderson dumps it to Jamal Lewis. Lewis takes one or two steps and drops the ball. He picks it up, goes another yard or two, and is touched by a defender for a nine yard pickup.
  • 4th-and-14 = Now, Dave Zastudil picks the time to have his only bad punt of the game, shanking it out of bounds at the 50.
  • Notes: We know that Shaun Rogers is a beast, but there have been a few times now that defensive lineman have come free. It seems they are coming from right in the middle. I can't say for sure, but can only speculate/assume that Alex Mack is one of the sections in the line they are able to get through. Anderson made a bone-headed decision with the misconduct too. Here, another simulated TV timeout occurs.

Drive 13: White on Offense, Brown on Defense

  • Drive starts at midfield.
  • 1st-and-10 = Quinn is still in, and he gets a seven yard pass to Brian Robiskie. The drive didn't last long for Quinn though, as Richard Bartel comes back into the game after the play.
  • 2nd-and-3 = Noah Herron gets the carry for four yards, good enough for a first down.
  • 1st-and-10 = Getting the ball again is Noah Herron as the defense packs everyone close to the line. Herron gets past the defensive line and jukes and...he's off to the races! Herron outruns the defenders behind him for a 39-yard touchdown! The XP is good.
  • Notes: What makes the run impressive is that all day, the whistle has been blown if a back is getting touched. Herron had enough burst to get through the line, and then did a nice move to continue evading defenders on his path to the end zone.
  • SCORE: WHITE TEAM 14, BROWN TEAM 0.

Drive 14: Brown on Offense, White on Defense

  • Dawson does a shorter kickoff (purposely I believe) near the sideline, and it's fielded by Roderick Hood, who just falls on it to be safe. Drive starts at the 24 yard line, and Ratliff is back in.
  • 1st-and-10 = Pitch play to James Davis, who is swarmed by defenders for a five yard loss.
  • 2nd-and-15 = Ratliff completes to Mike Furrey for a gain of ten, making it a managable third down. David Patten finally enters the game now.
  • 3rd-and-5 = Ratliff has time to throw and he's going deep down the left sideline! David Patten is there along with a defensive back for a near-jump ball situation past midfield. The defensive back jumps, but it's about a yard over his head and the pass falls right into the hands of Patten! Patten is off for the races about 25-30 more yards, capping a 71 yard touchdown pass and finally getting the Brown team on the board for a necessary response. The XP is good.
  • Notes: Not the greatest timing patten since the defensive back had a great shot at it, but it worked and was probably the right decision since Ratliff had a one-on-one.
  • SCORE: WHITE TEAM 14, BROWN TEAM 7.

Drive 15: White on Offense, Brown on Defense

  • Dawson kicks another touchback as Cribbs knees it in the end zone.
  • 1st-and-10 = Trying to ride the hot hand, Noah Herron gets a carry for two yards.
  • 2nd-and-8 = Bartel tosses a screen pass to Jerome Harrison, but the pass is behind him and falls incomplete.
  • 3rd-and-8 = Finally getting on the board with a sack is Alex Hall, as he touches Bartel from the left side. That's the first sack by the No. 2 defense.
  • 4th-and-15 = I wrote down "47" and nothing else, and honestly I don't recall what happened. After flipping to my next page of notes, I see that the ball is starting at the 47 for the Brown team.
  • Notes: Not much to speak of here, except the fact that Bartel hasn't been too impressive.

Drive 16: Brown on Offense, White on Defense

  • Drive starts at the 47 yard line.
  • 1st-and-10 = Ratliff fakes the draw and throws down the right sideline for Mohamed Massaquoi. The pass sails over his head and out of bounds, but Brodney Pool and Brandon McDonald had it covered anyway.
  • 2nd-and-10 = Ratliff throws down the middle and it's David Patten again! He's off for the races but is stopped at the six-yard line after beating Brandon McDonald on the play.
  • 1st-and-Goal = Everyone is covered in the end zone. Ratliff tries Braylon Edwards over the middle, but Abram Elam has it covered. Incomplete.
  • 2nd-and-Goal = Ratliff bounces a pass in to Braylon Edwards for an incompletion over the middle. That's the end of the third quarter.
  • Notes: Ratliff is finding some chemistry with David Patten, but those big plays don't mean he's playing better than the other quarterbacks.

FOURTH QUARTER

(continued)

  • 3rd-and-Goal: Before the snap, I notice that it's Derek Anderson back under center to start the fourth. He takes the snap and is worried that no receivers are open...but wait! The middle of the field IS open! Anderson scampers and dives into the end zone for a six-yard touchdown. I'm sure the defense is thinking, "bullshit, if we were allowed to hit him, we would have". Nonetheless, it's a tie ballgame after the XP is good.
  • Notes: Anderson was pumped up after the run. The play was challenged but stood as called.
  • SCORE: WHITE TEAM 14, BROWN TEAM 14.

Drive 17: White on Offense, Brown on Defense

  • Dawson kicks off and Cribbs returns it to the 22 yard line. Brady Quinn is back in at quarterback.
  • 1st-and-10 = Jerome Harrison carries the ball for three yards.
  • 2nd-and-7 = Jerome Harrison carries the ball for two yards.
  • 3rd-and-5 = Quinn rockets the ball between two defenders and into the arms of Joshua Cribbs for a nice first down.
  • 1st-and-10 = Quinn now throws deep to Brian Robiskie down the sideline. He dives and makes the catch!...but the official rules that he didn't get both feet down in bounds, so the potential 35-yard play doesn't count.
  • 2nd-and-10 = Very poor throw on this one by Quinn. He had Lance Leggett wide open near the sideline on a simple 10-15 yard pass with room to run, but he airmailed it.
  • 3rd-and-10 = Quinn fires it to Leggett, but the ball bounces off his hands and Mike Adams dives for it. Adams has the interception and gets up for a small return.

Drive 18: Brown on Offense, White on Defense

  • Drive starts at the 30 yard line.
  • 1st-and-10 = Jamal Lewis carries the ball for three yards. He's getting small gains, but if contact were allowed, he'd be able to drive the ball more. It'd be unfair to judge him too much on this scrimmage, or any of the running backs really.
  • 2nd-and-7 = Jamal Lewis gets the ball again, this time for two yards.
  • 3rd-and-5 = Anderson throws incomplete to Braylon Edwards, but Eric Wright is upset when he sees the official toss a flag for pass interference. First down.
  • 1st-and-10 = Jamal Lewis is getting his work in. He carries the ball for one yard, but a facemask penalty gives the Brown team a fresh set of downs.
  • 1st-and-10 = They are inching closer to the end zone, now just about 13 yards away. Jamal Lewis runs it for two more yards.
  • 2nd-and-8 = One more time! Jamal Lewis gets the ball for a gain of one.
  • 3rd-and-7 = On a quick slant, Anderson throws behind Mohamed Massaquoi incomplete. Brandon McDonald had the coverage.
  • 4th-and-7 = Here comes the field goal unit. Phil Dawson lines up from 28 yards and hits it to give the Brown team 17 unanswered and the lead.
  • Notes: After Quinn's pick, the Brown team had a short field to work with and decided to drain some clock with Jamal Lewis. They got some points and the lead, which is what counts here I guess. On the sideline, Shaun Rogers appears upset.
  • SCORE: BROWN TEAM 17, WHITE TEAM 14.

Drive 19: White on Offense, Brown on Defense

  • There is 3:50 left, so it's kind of a "do-or-die drive". Kickoff is brought to the 25 yard line.
  • 1st-and-10 = Quinn starts great with a quick pass to Joshua Cribbs for 14 yards.
  • 1st-and-10 = Quinn now tries Martin Rucker, but the pass is low and incomplete.
  • 2nd-and-10 = Draw play to Jerome Harrison, but only for a gain of one yard.
  • 3rd-and-9 = Pressure comes and Quinn throws a floater off his back foot deep for Brian Robiskie. The pass is out of his reach, but Roderick Hood is called for illegal contact prior to the pass. First down.
  • 1st-and-10 = A short pass to Jerome Harrison for one yard.
  • 2nd-and-9 = A dump pass goes to Jerome Harrison for eight yards. The two-minute warning is here, and Quinn has the team in okay position to drive.
  • 3rd-and-1 = Quinn now goes to Joshua Cribbs for six yards and a first down at the 40 yard line. There is just under a minute left.
  • 1st-and-10 = Another quick slant pass to Brian Robiskie for six yards. A timeout is called with 0:39 left.
  • 2nd-and-4 = Martin Rucker catches a pass for three yards and goes out of bounds.
  • 3rd-and-1 = Rather than doing a short play or run, Quinn is looking deep. No one is really open though, and he overthrows Jerome Harrison out of bounds.
  • 4th-and-1 = The White team is going for the tie rather than the win. Phil Dawson is brought out to try a 49-yarder. The snap is back, the ball is down, the kick is up and it is...NO GOOD! It had the distance, but it hit 3/4 the way up the left crossbar and then sailed wide left. That just about seals it.
  • Notes: It really wasn't a memorable final drive, but Quinn did give his side a chance to tie it up. It would've been better to get closer for Dawson though.

Drive 20: Brown on Offense, White on Defense

  • After a few knees and timeouts, the game is over. Anderson and company win.

FINAL SCORE: BROWN TEAM 17, WHITE TEAM 14.

Here are some other general notes:

  1. I thought Coye Francies had great coverage throughout the entire scrimmage. He was always right on his man and did a good job breaking up passes without being called for interference. Hamza Abdullah also had a pretty good day, getting his name mentioned several times on tackles and for being in coverage on an incompletion.
  2. This practice failed to showcase the talent of Jerome Harrison or James Davis. Maybe the fact that no fullbacks really played hurt them. Noah Herron had the best burst, but I'm not going to jump the gun and overly praise him for that one play.
  3. Shaun Rogers is a beast. He was the best defensive player on the field. D'Qwell Jackson was a very close second, making an interception, a great tipped pass, and a lot of tackles that weren't "Andra Davis" tackles.
  4. Overall, Brady Quinn had the better practice, but neither of the quarterbacks made me go "wow" beyond Quinn's first play to Leggett. Quinn needs to work on hitting his receivers when they are wide open, and Derek Anderson still needs to make better decisions to "complete" a drive. Brett Ratliff is definitely the No. 3 ahead of Richard Bartel.
  5. For the receivers, I was bummed not to see Braylon Edwards targeted much at all. Or, maybe that meant that Eric Wright had good coverage. Mike Furrey displayed a knack for getting open and settling down in a spot. Mohamed Massaquoi had the edge over Brian Robiskie in the practice, albeit not that much. I liked Lance Leggett, but he did have some inconsistency late with a ball or two that he could've held on to with better body positioning. I might have been most intrigued by Joshua Cribbs. He caught the ball a lot and had some decent yards after the catch. It's probably wishful thinking, but I'd like him to be the No. 3 or No. 4 receiver at times.
  6. On returns, Mike Furrey and Gerard Lawson were too tenative and looked awkward fielding punts. Keep Cribbs there (why not try RoBo?).
  7. A great scrimmage for Dave Zastudil, considering he got a ton of work in punting for both sides.
  8. I liked what I saw from our first-team offense. In the preseason game, I think I'd like to see how Brady Quinn does with our first-team offense. If it's a true competition, it's only fair to give each quarterback an equal shot.

That's about it for now. I'm sorry I couldn't evaluate the defensive schemes better, but it's tough to multitask in a situation like this. Also, the teams weren't taking the normal game-length time to move on to their next play. They would run one play, and then get the next play going soon after that. The practice ended around 3:10 p.m. I might not be able to answer your detailed questions, but if you want to throw them out there, go ahead. I, or someone else who attended, will try to answer them.

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Thanks Chris, this was great.

I concur.

Thanks…I do a 5,582 word write-up, and all I get from you is a two-word response. ;) jk, thanks for the props guys. Feel free to share this on other Browns boards for me (a link)…that’s a good way to repay me :-)

Thanks for the summary. It’s nice to hear of Coye Francies – I haven’t seen his name mentioned in training camp updates.

One of Mangini’s goals was to give the players a feel for game conditions – besides the TV timeouts, how well did the event meet that goal?

The DA interception is frustrating – it reminds me of last year’s Steelers game at CBS when DA threw an INT in the Pittsburgh end zone to end the 2nd quarter. Ugh!

The game conditions were very acceptable to me. The clock was ticking on the scoreboards, along with the downs being tracked. The teams huddled to discuss plays, there were the two TV timeouts, the two-minute warnings, etc. There was less time between the first/second and third/fourth quarters, but a normal halftime. Two replay reviews were called, but I think the referees just looked at the scoreboard titantron for the replay. The coaches were calling plays on opposite sides. Everything seemed exactly like a preseason game with the exception of there being less TV timeouts, and a few less minutes per quarter.

I can’t knock Poteat, but right now just from this practice, I’d favor Francies for a roster spot over him.

I’m sure they rotated QB’s the way they did because they wanted to see what Quinn and Anderson could do in pressure situations. Other wise, I would have preffered to see what Quinn and Anderson could do for a full half.

I would also suggest possibly bringing along another person who could watch the defense next time. That way, you could focus soley on the offense.

I was thinking the exact same thing; it would’ve been nice to have identical reports, one for offense and the other for defense, and then merge the thoughts together. That would’ve been the ultimate. Although, taking this many notes does make the scrimmage a little less enjoyable…it’d be nicer to just kick back and watch like a regular TV game.

I agree about the situational play of the quarterbacks. Quinn and Anderson each got the entire first quarters. Ratliff/Bartel took the second quarter. Then Quinn/Anderson came out in the second half to get a taste of playing after a half is over, before giving way to Ratliff/Bartel again. Then they came back for the all-important fourth quarter. Not that the second quarter and end of the third quarters aren’t important, but I really liked how the teams rotated the QBs the way that they did.

anderson had way too many 3 and outs. It seems like quinn did better and hopefully he gets the start in the preseason opener.

just saw the highlights on tv…. im liking the brown pants, but they still need stripes lol

Thanks for the detailed recap of the scrimmage. That had to have been rough with the weather today.

Go Browns!

Awesome recap.

My thoughts;
1. It sounds like no one can block Big Baby. No suprise.
2. I don’t think I read that Wimbley had a QB pressure. No suprise.
3. I think that Alex Hall could really break out for us this year.
4. I am excited to see that Cribbs is getting involved in the passing game.
5. It seems that the new Browns coaches really like the short passing game. It is going to be very important for these QB’s to hit these short routes on the run.

2. I don’t recall significant pressure from Wimbley’s side.
5. On the drive he got picked by DQ, Anderson was doing a good job with the short routes. He was pumping deep and dropping it off then for good gains. So many passes early on to Royal confused me though.

If Wimbley was going up against Thomas, that’s understood.

Impressive analysis!!

Not my pictures, but from someone else (found on the OBR):


^Rogers chasing Anderson

Here’s their whole album: Link

Wow. Big Baby is Fit!

Yeah that makes Big Baby look really tiny.

Chris, phenomenal writeup. Thank you. Watching the D and the O at the same time is pretty much impossible when you are watching live. Hopefully I can get my dad to tape a preseason game for me and I can look more at the defense then, but Mangini doesn’t seem like the kind of guy to bring the tricks out of the bag until at least week 1.

Did you notice the D doing anything that you didn’t recognize, or that just popped out as substantially different than a “normal” 3-4? It sounds like we are getting pressure and finding some success on defense, so there almost have to be changes from Tucker’s defense.


2nd-and-10 = Very poor throw on this one by Quinn. He had Lance Leggett wide open near the sideline on a simple 10-15 yard pass with room to run, but he airmailed it.

This is my biggest concern with Quinn. He will put a ball right on the money, on the side of the WR away from the defender, “throwing a guy open” on one play but then he just completely loses the strike zone and throws a wild ball. I don’t know if he can ever rid himself of that habit, but hopefully he can minimize the amount of wild pitches he throws.

That was always my concern about Quinn when I watched him play at Notre Dame. For every 4 or 5 good/great passes, he’d have one that would miss badly. Apparently, he hasn’t solved this consistency issue, and if he’s going to be our starting QB, he needs to figure it out soon.

I am wondering if Quinn is too muscular. He puts such a premium on lifting weights, that he might be a little too stiff and mechanical. He can keep lifting but he should consider lighter weights and a leaner profile, it might help his throwing motion

 He never really looks comfortable throwing the ball either. I wonder if he’s focused on gaining arm strength for that deep ball so much that it’s adversely affected his ability to throw smoothly.

He does look pretty big, but his muscle mass really shouldn’t affect his range of motion unless he is being an idiot about lifting and/or isn’t working on his range of motion. I think he’s pretty interested in training hard but also training intelligently, so I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt. Alex Mack is a pretty thick/muscular guy and he can do the splits.

If he’s training like a body builder and not a football player, he’s a moron. I think I saw video of him working out before his combine (granted, that was a while ago), and it seemed like he was doing a good amount of sport-specific things and not just pumping out curls all day.

As ghanki points out below, it could adversely affect him if he is focusing too much on the deep ball and not enough on other QB-specific things. If he really threw a ball 60 yards in the air, that should be enough arm strength to get by.

Then again, maybe Quinn is thinking what you are, as the PD reports that he did a lot more running this off season and came in 8-10lbs lighter.

One of the people who was with me got a look at what he thinks happened on that 2nd-and-10 play. He said the defense dropped waaaaayyy back and Leggett recognized this, so he settled down correctly in the open area. When Quinn turned to throw to his side, he failed to recognize the same thing and had a horrible pass (whether it be due to him already throwing and saying “shit!” midway through his motion, or him just throwing it and assuming Leggett would already be at that spot).

Either way, he still missed him.

Never thought I’d see orange jerseys with brown pants. For some reason, it doesn’t look too bad. haha The brown pants are growing on me. Wasn’t there a report about those pants being worn on all away games?

I can’t wait to see Davis on the field during the next few weeks. I have high hopes for him. Steal of the draft in my eyes.

From the sound of your excellent recap, our QB situation is going to be the bane of our collective existence for the next few months . . .

Great writeup, thanks. Tebow in 2010?

If we need an H-Back . . .

Colt McCoy! lol although I would love to have him, I really want Quinn to succeed as a Brown.

I was just thinking the same thing when ESPN was previewing Texas last week. If (and when) Quinn wins the starting job, I’d think that Mangini would give Quinn at least two good seasons before he drafts a top pick QB though.

I’d still rather have Eric Berry.

If he has 2 good seasons why would we need a top pick QB?

I believe he meant two full seasons.

But if he is good then we wont need anyone else for a while

I certainly hope this is a joke.

i’d have no problem with that, assuming he’s passed on during the preceding 152 picks.

Love you Man

Chris, you did this for us. Wow.

Quinn

  You guys just don’t get do you??? Let me tell you what’s really going on. Anderson and Ratliff played on the first string team agianest the first string D. Quinn and Bartel and played on the second string team agianst the second string D. Anderson and Ratliff are fighting for the number one spot. Quinn and bartel are fighting for the number three spot there in no way a coach is going to play a starting QB againest the second string D. Oh, so you see now! Oh and anderson so far is winning over Ratliff even though Ratliff is Mangini man…

Entirely incorrect

it was one of the funniest post i have read tho. If Ratliff was even in consideration than y does Quinn and Anderson get all the reps in practice? haha wow

These mooncamping wannabe’s are weak. We need the original.

I thought I was ok at it a couple weeks ago

Thanks for setting us straight.

very excellent wrongness

I have been to the training camp 4 days in a row. All 4 QB’s are getting the reps Ratliff anderson and Quinn are getting the most but the reps are very close with those three. Remember the Mangini’s the one that’s been saying very good thing’s about Ratliff. He also said to begain with it was between the three not the two..

Mangini has pretty much said good things about every player he’s talked about who is still with the team, and even some who aren’t.

Quinn

   I’m very glad you are laughing at my post but the fact’s are you don’t play a starting QB againest the number two D If Quinn had a real shot at starting then he would have shared time on the first string with anderson How else can a coach pick a starter. Its the browns fan’s and media that’s made this a two QB fight … Don’t count this out

I’m sorry, but I’m not about to believe the analytical musings of someone who doesn’t even have a simple command of the English language, nor its use of punctuation.

nor, apparently, his ability to figure out what the reply button is for.

Ouch. Want some Aloe Vera for that burn?

Then you tell me why the Mangini would put Ratliff on the fist string with all the best. Then Quinn he put on the second string. Will that’s not fair to them or to the fans but what it tells me is he is looking at his one and two QB’s and Quinn may be number three. Remember Mangini is the one that got Ratliff from the jets and he will do what he thinks is best…

For Heaven’s sake! Mangini didn’t put Ratliff on the first string, and Quinn on the second. It was an intra-squad scrimmage, and the coaching staff divided up the players between the two teams to provide a competitive balance. It wasn’t intended as a first-string vs. second string scrimmage. You’re reading something which simply isn’t there.

First-string RB: Lewis (Brown)
Second-string RB: Harrison (White)

First-string WR: Edwards, Furrey, Massaquoi (Brown)
Second-string WR: Robiskie, Cribbs (White)

First-string TE: Royal (Brown)
Second-string TE: Rucker (White)

First-string OL: Thomas, Steinbach, Mack, Womack, St. Clair (Brown)
Second-string OL: Foster, Sowells, Fraley, Quarterman, Tucker (White)

See where I’m going with this?

First-string QB: Anderson (Brown)
Second-string QB: Quinn (White)

On the offensive line, Dustin Fry was on the first team offensive roster. But he is not better than Ryan Tucker, clearly showing there are cases where this doesn’t mean the roster your on means you’re on the same level as everyone else.

What you are failing to realize is that there is first-string, second-string, AND third-string. Anderson got the first-team, Quinn got the second-team. Where do you put the third- and fourth-string quarterbacks? You can’t just create a new team for each of them. So, the higher of the two between Ratliff and Bartel goes with the first-string, and the lower goes to the second-string.

Really, if you don’t see this, you’re just being a little too stubborn.

Please use the reply button.

If Ratliff really was a strong contender for the job, he would have played during the same periods as Anderson (1st and 4th), he wouldn’t have subbed in for him.

Chris, I’m continually impressed with the quality job you do here. Outstanding write up.

The most encouraging things to me are much in line with what several have already said. Rogers is going to be dominant, DQ is looking solid, Wright more or less shut down Braylon. Also Francies, Davis and MoMass being consistently involved is a plus.

Niether QB being stellar outside of Quinn’s first pass is frustrating, but hopefully he’ll get the start this weekend.

Just my two cents on this “Quinn is actually the 3rd string QB” issue: This was a real game simulation. What were the coaches going to do? Have Quinn wait til the 2nd quarter to play just so he could be with the first team? That makes no sense. You’re no longer giving him the sense that he started the game, and he gets relegated to a back up role in a preseason scrimmage! Sorry, but not buying that Quinn is anything but in a race for the starting role.

I think Quinn’s performance was pretty good just reading the play breakdowns. It sounded like his one INT was the WR’s fault (as the ball hit him in the hands and he didn’t catch it), he had several good pass plays, and was able to move the ball in a scrimmage that really helps the defense stop the run and defend the pass.

DA sounded like he was still making some costly errors (throwing a pick that was his fault in the endzone) and unable to get enough reward for taking risks.

Sounds like both guys are pretty much where they were last year to me?

Family Fun Day scrimmage recap

Awesome job on the recap Chris. As a lifelong Browns fan, who was born in Cleveland in 1966 but now lives in California, I really enjoy reading your reports and articles on Dawgs by Nature. Keep up the great work and thanks from all of us that do not get to attend these events, but live vicariously through your fantastic reporting.
blane1966

Thanks for the kind words! I figure I usually only get to see one live practice a year too, so I’d better make it really count for those who couldn’t attend.

anyone hearing much about the defensive line (aside from rogers being a beast and smith getting cut)? i see that c. williams and coleman were on the “second team” in this scrimmage, with mosely logging minutes on the “first team”, but i realize i’ve heard very very little about how that unit’s shaping up.

I think you misread the chart I have at the top. Coleman was with the first team, and Mosley was with the second team. I thought the defensive line for the first team did pretty good; the defensive line’s ability to read screen plays right off the bat was top notch.

I am guessing we will rotate our non-Shaun-Rogers-linemen (NSRL) a lot, so I’m not sure how much more a “starter” will play than a “backup” at DE. Williams on the second string is pretty interesting, though. Maybe he will still won’t live up to his contract this year.

I was excited to read about us getting an untouched rusher (Smith) to the QB. Finally!

Quinn

When Mangini picks has QB its for the year i don’t care if the players keep dropping balls all day. The only why he will remove the QB is if the QB is not doing his job. He will gave the QB most of the year any why.What ever you do don’t put it out of your minds that Mangini could have showed you his Depth chart as it stands today. You may end up very disappointed at the first game of the year if Quinn is third string. And if Ratliff is the starter.. you have to understand Mangini liked Ratliff over Farve last year in traing camp. he also like’s to see has QB’s zip the ball down field Ratliff like anderson has that kind of arm that coaches go nuts over. It makes you think if Quinn was on the same team as anderson would that pass ever have happen. Quinn and anderson both know what it like to start a game they are Pro’s. If a coach wants to test his number one and number two QB he will have them on the same scrimmage team other wise its like playing two teams.

You have the grammar of a 5 year old, and the intelligence of a 3 year old

hahaha wow r u serious? if ratliff is week 1 starter, it will be cause quinn and anderson are hurt and that is the only way that will happen

Clevelandbrowns.com- the official website of the Cleveland Browns- seems to think otherwise:

Quinn and anderson both know what it like to start a game they are Pro’s. If a coach wants to test his number one and number two QB he will have them on the same scrimmage team other wise its like playing two teams.

You just contradicted yourself there, my man. Re-read what you wrote, (or possibly read it for the first time) and realize what everyone else has already.

first of all, this comment has failed on so many levels, it is ridiculous. second, i think overall we may be putting a little too much stock in this scrimmage “depth chart.” While it certainly shows what way Mangini is leaning, and in most cases rightfully so, it does not determine who will start, who will sub, who will be cut. they haven’t even played a real preseason game yet, let’s give it some time.

ratliff over quinn, or especially favre, is one of the most outlandish comments i’ve ever seen posted on this site.

Our first official depth chart lists Quinn and Anderson as “co-starters”, according to the news ticker on the side of DBN. The official site lists Quinn as 2nd.

The depth chart also has some differences from the way the 1st/2nd teams were split up for the scrimmage.

Andra Davis

When did it become trendy to knock on Andra Davis? This was a guy who led the league in tackles and many of you were saying he was a huge snub for the Pro Bowl. I think what you mean is Ben Taylor. He was the 5-8 yd down field tackler. Davis was a great leader in the locker room, great person off the field. I am a huge fan of Andra Davis and was sad to see him go.

He had one good year….about 4-5 years ago

He was well below average the last 2-3 years

although terrific in snowy conditions

Davis seemed like a stand up guy, and I can live with the fact that he was “average”. However, it got tiresome hearing the media say that Davis was a great player (almost Pro Bowl like), when we could clearly see that he was a looooooooong ways away from being Pro Bowl caliber. That’s when it became popular to knock Davis; not necessarily because I wanted to knock him, but because I wanted to make it clear that if we ever want our defense to be dominant, it cannot have Davis in it as a starter.

He was slow and old. Great player in his youth but he aged quickly.

I’ve been down on Davis for at least 1.5 years, and it feels more like 3 years.

okay, davis was better; he was only a 4 – 7 yard down field tackler…

Did anyone see the fake punt the Titans ran on their first series in the HOF game? Hilarious stuff from your OSU punter

Ugh, I had been waiting all week to see that game, but I started watching Big Brother like I usually do. Then I realized again at 8:30 p.m. that I was missing the HOF game. I caught some of the first-stringers still half-way through the first quarter, but the fake punt had already happened. I only got to see Trapasso approaching the end zone on a highlight later on.

I watch Big Brother as well, but tape it, so I was able to watch both

It used to be easy to pretape a lot of stuff on my Windows Media Center computer before the digital TV age. A 3 hour program might take up 3 GB of my hard drive. With digital though, the same 3 hour program takes more like 33 GB, which I don’t have room for. It’s put a cramp in a lot of the stuff I used to set to tape ahead of time.

Do you think Jeff will use the Coup D’Etat?

What about that “double kicker faker” trick we heard about from the Brown’s camp? It looks like we’ve got our own bag of tricks that could be even better than a simple fake punt.

Maybe. But then again, you hear about creative plays in training camp only to see them attempted once every two-three seasons.

Unless you’re someone like Jeff Fisher, of course.

Yea, he has to. He will put up Jessie and Natalie. Jessie is going home because of America again. I can’t wait

Sounds about right. I’m not a big Jessie hater like most other people are, but it’d be great to see it used nonetheless. I guess his only saving grace would be if he gets to play the POV and wins it…we’ll see tonight….right after Hell’s Kitchen ;)

I actually greatly enjoy Jessie, I think he makes for entertaining TV. Ronnie was loathsome and so over the top, that I was so happy when he was booted

I saw it on the highlights. Nice play for Trapasso; I guess he grew up near Canton so that had to be cool for him.

Did anyone see what the always classy Lendale White had written under his eye black?

(left) Give me (right) Patron?

When did Patron replace Cristal as the rappers libation of choice? Why not Fernet Branca?

(Left) Feed (Right) Me?

He’s been good at that stuff for a while. Not quite the athlete that the USC kicker was, but he took fake punts for big gains in college. Of course, any time Tressel fake punts you probably have the element of surprise on your side.

  Its me again! Guess how is taking reps with the first string team? Yep, Ratliff just keep having a closed mind on this, like i said before he out preformed, Farve last year in training camp. Just look it up. Mangini said he was very impressive in training camp! But decided to go with experienced Britt Farve I never really said that he would be the starter, you always have to look out for the new guy. But in these case Mangini,has already stated that there were three quarter backs involved in the competition. You can look that up also.

That’s nice. Do you know who else ran with the first team today? Quinn!

All i was saying, is you have to look out for a guy the new coach brings in.

That doesn’t seem like all you were saying earlier, but I do agree that it is important to give extra credence to guy’s that played for the coach’s former team

Ratliff

Did you google( Mangini on Brett Ratliff) it makes me feel, like we have a very sneaky coach.

PLEASE USE THE REPLY BUTTON.

That for sharing that information.

This is to Skipkirk. You need to do some research OUTLANDISH??? (Just google Mangini on Brett Ratliff) Then tell me its a outlandish comment here it from Mangini himself. If you research longer you will find that he was Farve’s backup with the jets…

Just FYI. Instead of mentioning who you are addressing it to, you can just click “Reply” at the bottom of that post

when i try to make an argument, i always tell people to look up what i’m saying.

you know… as opposed to provided the facts myself to lend credence to my argument.

The Earth is flat. Just type in “Flat Earth Society” and you’ll find what you need.

that explains Kellen Clemens as the #2 last year with the Jets . . .

I was wrong about that. I’m sorry for misleading you. Brett Ratliff was the behind Clemens! Clemens only throw 5 passes for the year

5 more than your boy . . .

He’s not my boy!! I like Anderson. I like Quinn also i know he could be a great qb with the right club. The Browns aren’t a good fix for him. Quinn would be a perfect fit with the Vikings.

Mate, Dawg Nuts is the one you want. I said “What?” which in that context could have meant that I didn’t know what you were talking about, or that I didn’t believe what you were talking about.

   No, i did say more and i still think he will be the number two guy at some point of the year. He may even end up as starter, at some point. I’m telling you, this guy is very good, when he gets to know his team mates he’s going to be hard to beat

i still think he will be the number two guy at some point of the year

Sure, after we trade Quinn or Anderson.

Ratliff scored a TD by throwing a bad ball and getting lucky enough that the DB thought Braylon would be called down (because it wasn’t full on tackling), that Braylon caught the bad throw one-handed, and that he was able to take it to the house.

Ratliff also lucked out on a tipped ball, and threw another bad throw behind Braylon on his drive.

Until this guy actually plays ahead of Brady against another team, you have nothing. If he plays ahead of Brady during the regular season, bring this up again and you can gloat all you want. Until then, you have nothing.

Again, read what Mangini says about every player; he is constantly taking the heat off of them, talking about their strengths, and speaking positively of them to the media. It isn’t just Ratliff, its the entire 80 man roster.

He believes in competition for every starter at every position and giving reps to every player in camp when they earn chances. That’s really the way it is in the NFL. Even if you have Steve Young, if Joe Montana is going to be better for your team, he’ll play. Then, the next year, the best QB in history (Montana) will get the boot because Young is the better player for the franchise. Nobody’s job is secure, and everyone is always competing for jobs.

Would it be feasible to keep both Ando and Quinn? Let’s just hypothetically say that Ratliff is a good 2nd QB, then would releasing Ando or Quinn be good for the salary cap?

I have no idea how the figures are.

By the way, I always thought Mangini liked Richard Bartel…. /sarcasm.

It is definitely feasible to hang on to them both. Straight up releasing DA at this point means we take a cap hit, and unless we really, really needed a roster spot, it wouldn’t be worth it.

I believe we’d take the big hit on DA’s contract because the guaranteed money that we’ve already paid him (but has not yet been accounted for on the cap) and any guaranteed money he hasn’t gotten yet would all accelerate and be put on our cap number this year.

As for Quinn, I don’t think his cap hit would be as big because he had less guaranteed money on his contract (if I remember correctly). But, releasing him wouldn’t make sense either. I think we could at least get some late round picks for either of them even if we were selling at clearance prices.

  Man you should really google,( Mangini on Brett Ratliff). Then you will under stand what I’m getting out to the Browns fans. Don’t bank on Anderson or Quinn being the back-up! Ratliff was very impressive, in 2008 training camp, more so they Anderson or Quinn ever was. It was a lucky pass but remember he has not working with the first team till monday.

Wait a sec . . . is this part of some guerrilla marketing campaign that Mr. Ratliff has employed in order to rally the Browns fans behind his quixotic quest for the starting job?

I think it’s Brett Favre’s way of getting back at Ratliff for outperforming him last season. He’s making an entire fanbase hate him.

Man you are so right. Hell every one hate me! and I’m a true blue Browns fan all the way back to 1958. Now that was a great team!! I would love to see Anderson win, But then again who ever does i will be there for them. I just can’t believe how rude, people can be when you say something they just don’t what to here. All i tried to do was to show the fans, that Ratliff is in the hunt and you may not believe this, but Mangini has been looking for a way to throw him in the mix, from the very start of training camp..,..

I am not being rude to you, I am explaining why you are wrong. I am exercising considerable restraint by not unleashing several strings of expletives in each one of these posts.

What Ratliff did in 2008 to compete for another teams’ starting job against different quarterbacks is irrelevant to what he is doing now in competition for the Browns’ starting job. Derek Anderson was a pro bowler in 2007, which was irrelevant when he couldn’t hit the broad side of a barn in 2008.

Of course Ratliff is “in the hunt”, otherwise he wouldn’t be on the team. He is a distant 3rd—well behind Quinn and DA—in that “hunt”.

  What i have been trying to tell everyone no, I’m not, getting in to it any more. if you care, google Maingini on Brett Ratliff

Google (Mangini on Brett Ratliff) and read that will tell you more then i can.. GO BROWNS

No! I'm a very big Browns fan. I'm just trying to get the word out on Ratliff and Magini

from the rotowire feed on the left side of the main page:

Brady Quinn – QB – CLE

Brady Quinn and Derek Anderson are listed as “co-starters” at QB on the Browns’ initial training camp depth chart.

This was predictable from coach Eric Mangini, who’s acknowledged no separation in the battle. Quinn is still widely considered to have a slight lead.
Aug. 11 – 1:19 pm et.
Source: Cleveland Plain Dealer

not including Ratliff as a co-starter…. oooooooooohhhhhhh boy that Mangini sure is sneaky!

  He really is sneaky! Thats all i have been trying to say. Mangini love’s Ratliff and when a coach gets that in his mind you just don;t know how far he will take it. Man i have been taking some really nasty hits, since i posted this and all i was trying to say, is none of the Browns QB’s are a set, till the first real game of the year. I see it coming, Ratliff may end up as a back-up or starter. We still have a long time before opening day,thats when the depth charts will mean something

So, pretty much everything you have posted is essentially meaningless.

Have you still not learned how to use the reply button? It’s very simple and it makes the posts much easier to follow. If you just keep replying at the bottom of the page then nobody knows who you’re replying to.

  Yes i have been hitting on reply,

we love you, Mr. dohior, just razzing you a little. Rookie hazing, if you will….

   Thanks, I was just trying to warn the fans that mangini really likes this kid and said notting but good things about him Im sorry but my keyboard needs replaced i have to hit some of the keys 3 or 4 times and other times i can’t get them to work at all. DARN coffee

Who is more interesting:
Mooncamping or dohior

I think what you’re failing to realize is you seem to be the only person here who thinks your logic about Ratliff is sound. Look, I think everyone here wants the best QB to be starting against the Vikings but no one here thinks that person is Brett Ratliff. You think everyone is attacking you, but you’re being just as condescending and the thing is, you have nothing but past preseason performance to use as your argument. So let’s recap. First, you’re insulting everyone here by acting like we’re just not smart enough to see Mangini’s master plan, and second, you use an argument with almost no basis of fact beyond your own musings to justify the team’s publicly pronounced third string quarterback as the week one starter or backup. It’s just that what you’re saying sounds ignorant. And if you want to post here and not get ridiculed, you have to have some clue about what you’re talking about (and know how to write in complete sentences. You do know where the period is on your keyboard is right?) and right now it sounds like you don’t.

Ratliff

You never Googled (Maangini on Brett Ratliff) Please take the 15 seconds to go this. All I’m trying to do is show the fans that Mangini really likes Ratliff that he thinks he could be a great QB. once you read it then you will see what i was saying. I don’t feel like Ratliff should be the back-up or a starter, but its not me are you that decides that. I think a player should pay has dues with a club, like Quinn and Anderson have done. And i never mint to cause so much hate. I was just warning the fans they may not like what they get as far as a QB. I will tell what’s ignorant, is knowing that the coach doesn’t really care for Anderson or Quinn.. Oh, sorry my keyboard needs replaced, sometimes i have to hit a key 3 or 4 times before it works and other times i can’t get it to work. DAMM coffee

I understand your logic. A new coach will always have some prefference to guys that they bring in over incombents; that’s a given. I also believe you when you say Mangini thinks Ratliff could be a good QB. I do too.

BUT, I highly doubt that Ratliff will do so in a single camp. Especially with Quinn/Anderson still around. So far, Ratliff has only performed a 2-minute drill (albeit, a shaky performance) with the first team. Anderson and Quinn have taken all of the other reps so far which indicates that Mangini intends to start one of those two in the near future.

If Ratliff had been getting more reps with the first team, then I’d raise his chances of starting on day 1 significantly higher than what they are now. Maybe in a year or two, but not right now.

BTW, even if you have the most sound argument in the forums, if you’re constantly making spelling and grammer errors (keyboard at fault or not) than you are not going to look credible. Maybe its not fair, but that’s the way it is.

I’m not trying to start an argument, but it annoys me when people presume on what I do. Of course I looked up Mangini’s opinion of Ratliff, and nothing I read changed my thought that while he obviously likes Ratliff, he’s not going to place him ahead of two quarterbacks, one of whom is a fan favorite and the other of whom was a Pro Bowler two years ago. Mangini can’t just ignore the players he has just because he may love Ratliff as the possible quarterback of the future. It’s just not going to happen in one camp/preseason. As a comparison, Mangini made it pretty obvious that he doesn’t love Rogers. Is he going to play someone else over a Pro Bowler just because he doesn’t like him? Coaches that make personel decisions that way don’t last long in pro sports. So whether Mangini likes Quinn or Anderson doesn’t really have anything to do with my ignorance. The thing you have right is the fact that the coaching staff has the final say, not us. But you can be sure if Ratliff is starting games for us this year either Quinn and Anderson are hurt. If I’m wrong on that one and Mangini does start Ratliff and benches or trades the other two, the Browns better win 10+ games this year or he’ll quickly be going the way of Romeo…

Ratliff finds himself watching the quarterback competition between Brady Quinn and Derek Anderson. But there are some who believe Mangini will trade the loser, if not this season then certainly after it, and will make Ratliff the backup

from my google search for mangini on ratliff. so, dohior is spot on…if one or both of the “co-starters” are injured or no longer on the team, then ratliff will be the back up or starter. it’s all very clear to me now…

Chris, I know you didn’t get much of a chance to check the defense but did you (or any one else who attended) happen to notice how the safeties did? I haven’t heard much about Pool and I’m not sure if that’s good or bad.

As to the QB fray, the fact that it’s now a close 3-way battle has really thrown me for a loop. I mean, how can you settle it with a coin toss when there are three guys?

Crap! I just read on the Scooper (no pun intended) that Ratliff and Bartell were the ones running the two-minute today. Does that mean that i need a four-sided coin or have Anderson and Quinn been eliminated from the competition?

heh…Ratliff and Bartel were probably given those drills just so they get a taste of it for once.

I didn’t get much of a look at our safeties. It seemed like we had good coverage the two times the offense got in the red zone. Anderson scored on the third trip because there was nowhere to pass.

Today, we wanted to put Rich (Bartel) and Brett in to get a two-minute drive. They haven’t gotten any of those. I’m going to do that periodically here, as we move forward, otherwise, they never get any exposure to that. I like to do that. I’ll throw those guys in with the ones and twos, at different points, without them ever knowing, sometimes, without Brian (Daboll) even knowing, just to see how they respond with that unit.

If they didn’t play with the 1s and 2s, they’d get no 2-minute experience. You want every QB on the team to get some of that. Much ado about nothing.

Sorry, I should have noted (sarcasm/humor/just being a butt-head) in that post. I was just getting tired of wading through some of the QB comments.

If I had to pick a real area of concern from what I read about that scrimmage it would be that the O-line seems to have been constructed of swiss cheese. I wonder if some of that might have been designed to test Mack’s limits and DA’s nerves. I’m really hoping that we don’t need four QBs to finish a season again.

My bad. I have no sense of humor.

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