The Cleveland Browns defense had one of its better efforts of the season. You could even make a case that it was the best called game by defensive coordinator Rob Ryan. On top of that, Jay Cutler didn't have a very good game, finishing with a 66.7 QB rating that included no touchdowns and an interception.
The outcome? A 30-6 loss to the Chicago Bears.
Halloween might have been yesterday, but our offensive players obviously felt like giving a few treats to the defense. The Browns had five turnovers, and here is what each of those turnovers led to:
Those plays resulted in 20 of the Bears 30 points. It's not that our offense is just bad; it's proving to be a liability to our defense. Then, after all five mistakes and weeks of the offense struggling, the Browns decided to throw Brady Quinn into the game. Seriously? The timing is just...ugh.
Credit to the Bears for getting the win, but I don't think I'd be too satisfied as a Bears fan. Against a team clicking on all cylinders, this game would've been a blowout before the end of the third quarter.
With the bye week coming up, we'll have plenty of time to evaluate what needs to change with this team, as well as all of the rumors of the position former Browns QB Bernie Kosar might hold.
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That about sums it about. With Daboll under threat I just hope they don’t try and bring Kosar in as OC.
Any good grizzled OCs on the market?
LondonBrown - November 1, 2009
I really don’t see them hiring Kosar as OC. He has no coaching experience whatsoever. It takes much more to be an OC than just being a former QB.
Buckeye Brad - November 1, 2009
And besides, if he did fail (which is likely), he’d be next to impossible to remove given the love Browns fans have for Bernie.
golanbatrac - November 1, 2009
It’s not the OC. It’s the complete lack of offensive talent. No QB, no good receivers, no good TEs (although Heiden isn’t bad), no good RBs. What do you want the OC to do with that?
Cols714 - November 1, 2009
No, the OC is terrible. Rufio has detailed many examples of why that is.
Buckeye Brad - November 1, 2009
there is talent to work with here. its not a lot, but its enough to put up more than 6 points a game.
notthatnoise - November 1, 2009
That’s the keyword. More than 6 points a game.
Even the winless Lions put up more than 6 a game.
skipkirk - November 1, 2009
It could be both. I agree on the talent.
Roger Dorn - November 1, 2009
I don’t disagree that we need a LOT more talent on offense. Problem is, what little talent we do have could actually be winning us some games. Yes, games, as in plural. I know that’s high hopes for us this season, but we have enough talent to do it.
We do not have enough talent on offense to make the playoffs, so that needs to change, too. Not much we can do about that on Nov. 1st, though.
rufio - November 1, 2009
Kosar may be the Browns’ President of Football Operations and Kokinis and Mangini will have to report to him.
Sorry Mangini, but you are about to loose some control of this team.
theW0LF - November 1, 2009
While I think changes are needed, I am not sure what to make of Kosar. Browns fans love him, but there is little history to suggest he knows how to operate a football team.
Roger Dorn - November 1, 2009
I am a huge fan of Kosar then player. Other than that all I know is that he can drink almost any human under the table. So we got that going for us.
Bernie19Kosar - November 1, 2009
And the bones in his nose are surprising resistant to dissolving…
SpecialBrownie - November 1, 2009
Yea, pretty much my point. Fans clamor for Kosar to take a larger role with the team, but he is a big unknown.
Roger Dorn - November 1, 2009
Exactly right. I don’t know why so many fans think that a former player can step right in to a management role and be successful just because they were a good player. Just like those Indians fans who wanted Omar Vizquel to come back as player/manager.
And I don’t mean to bring up a guy’s personal life, but with all the problems he’s had it makes you wonder if he’s suitable to a management position in anything.
Buckeye Brad - November 1, 2009
Okay, I know most of the sane posters on this website have been preaching patience with Mangini, arguing that half a season is not near enough time to evaluate this staff. And up until now, I have generally agreed with these sentiments. But I think we are now reaching a point where the complete lack of competitiveness of the Browns this year is absolutely inexcusable. I’m not advocating firing Mangini after half a season, but if this team does not demonstrate drastic improvement in the second half of the year, I think Mangini should be ousted. Am I being rash? Maybe; but I just can’t stand to see this team look so pathetic week after week.
bbstirrd - November 1, 2009
i think i a lot of spectator bias creeps into comments like these. as spectators, we like to see great offense, so when the offense sucks we tend to think the whole team stinks. This team is average or good in 2/3 of the phases of the game. The special teams is great and i think the defense is average. the problem is the offense is horrific. Mangini does not deserved to be fired at the end of the year, but brian daboll does.
notthatnoise - November 1, 2009
The defense is ranked 27th in the league. You call that average?
bbstirrd - November 1, 2009
27th in points per game; LAST in yards per game. That is terrible.
bbstirrd - November 1, 2009
We’ve discussed this many times. They get worn down in the second half because they’re on the field so much due to the offensive ineptitude. They also get put in bad positions because of turnovers by the offense. Look at how they played today — they played well, but the offense kept putting them in bad positions. I’m not saying the defense is great, because there certainly is room for improvement in some areas, but it’s not as bad as the numbers indicate.
Buckeye Brad - November 1, 2009
I get this to a point but there are other teams out there with bad offenses and average or good defenses (San Francisco is 29th in offense, 14th in defense; Washington is 24th in offense, 5th in defense). The Browns are dead last in defense; there is no rationalizing away that ineptitude.
bbstirrd - November 1, 2009
statistics never tell the whole story.
notthatnoise - November 1, 2009
the Browns are giving up 415 ypg this year. No team in the last 15 years (I could have gone farther) has given up this many yards per game.
bbstirrd - November 1, 2009
How many teams in the last 15 years have had a QB with a sub 40 rating?
golanbatrac - November 1, 2009
this
Chief WaDrew - November 2, 2009
Since DA and BQ have split time at QB, you’d have to combine their rating – which puts it in the 50s. There have been several teams with QB ratings in the 50s over the last decade:
2006 – Andrew Walter (OAK)
2004 – Kyle Orton (CHI)
2003 – Kordell Stewart (PIT… those were the days!)
2002 – Joey Harrington (DET)
Not to mention 2009: Jamarcus Russell, Jake Delhomme, Josh Johnson.
Bottom line: there is and always has been teams with terrible offenses, but that doesn’t necessarily mean the defense must historically suck as well.
bbstirrd - November 2, 2009
Combining ratings doesn’t mean that you take an average of the two. Any combined rating would be weighted heavily toward Anderson’s abysmal numbers at this point, because he’s played more than Quinn.
golanbatrac - November 2, 2009
we’re really splitting hairs at this point
bbstirrd - November 2, 2009
Right. You’d have to do a weighted average. Although they’re both so bad that I doubtful it makes much of a difference.
Buckeye Brad - November 2, 2009
42.7 from ESPN stats
not positive it has yesterday’s stats in…
Red-Right-88 - November 2, 2009
http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/team/_/stat/passing
woops
Red-Right-88 - November 2, 2009
Yes but how many of those yards came in the 2nd and 4th quarter when the D was absolutely gassed.
This is how bad the offense is playing: sometimes I wish Cribbs wouldn’t return punts for TDs because it means the defense has to get on the field AGAIN.
skipkirk - November 1, 2009
I wish Cribbs wouldn’t return punts for TDs because it means the defense has to get on the field AGAIN.
I never wish this. Cribbs doesn’t score, we don’t score.
Bernie19Kosar - November 1, 2009
This has been the trend. Outside of that one offensive possession per game that is able to get them into FG range.
Chief WaDrew - November 2, 2009
I also think the defense has been decent. Look at all the first halfs. He held Peterson, Benson, and Forte to pretty good yardage defensively. By the time halfway through the second half, the defense begins to break. Maybe, just maybe, because they are on the field 35 mins of the game. Just saying though.
The naome40 - November 2, 2009
It sounds like you are…
As the saying goes, “If ifs and buts were candy and nuts, every day would be Christmas”. I’m hoping for the best and will wait until the end of the season to pass any judgments. “If this happens” or “If that happens” – I just don’t know what will happen. All I know is: when we put “ifs” on performance, balanced evaluations are lost.
Maybe Mangini should be fired at the end of the season. Maybe not. It is sure a lot easier making the decision at the end of the season rather than today.
Spidey - November 1, 2009
Agreed. But I need to vent now.
bbstirrd - November 1, 2009
I hear ya’.
My dream right now is for Mangini to turn the team around and make the playoffs within the next couple years. I don’t give a flying rats tail whether he is a nice guy or not, but it sure would be awesome to have all of the knee-jerk reactionary sportswriters dishing on him to be put in their place.
Spidey - November 1, 2009
I agree with you. Though, I don’t expect to see any drastic improvement this year.
Western Reserve - November 1, 2009
He should be given the full year, but usually with new coaches, if you don’t see improvement in the second half of the first season, it’s just not going to happen. The Browns offense seems to be getting worse. There Are some teams in the second half that are as bad as us so I they can’t win at least half of them,mangimi has to go.
HenryDawg - November 2, 2009 via mobile
Anderson's TDs for and against
So far this season, Anderson has two passing touchdowns.
Today he gave up an interception that led directly to a touchdown.
Question: How many other interception-touchdowns has Anderson thrown this season?
In other words, has Anderson thrown for more touchdowns this season for opponents than for his own team?
ploni - November 1, 2009
Only 1 (so far)
So far is seems that today’s interception-runback for a touchdown is the only one (so far) by Anderson this season.
Which means he only has one more touchdown for his own team than he has for his opponents.
Pitiful and pathetic performance for a “professional.”
ploni - November 1, 2009
he does have two rushing touchdowns.
also, to blame all of this on anderson is ridiculous. the whole offense is bad.
how many touchdowns does james harrison have? because i know he has a fumble returned for a touchdown. does that make him pitiful and pathetic? is he no longer a professional?
notthatnoise - November 1, 2009
typo, or comparing DA to a steelers LB? either way, james harrison may also have more TDs this year than DA
Dawg Nuts - November 1, 2009
what are the rumors about kosar exactly?
emily522 - November 1, 2009
the only thing i’m happy about is that brady will get another chance.
emily522 - November 1, 2009
Yeah, but, and I think you would agree, Quinn should have just had all 16 games this year.
Western Reserve - November 1, 2009
yeah i pretty much agree with that.
emily522 - November 1, 2009
Not necessarily. He looked horrible in the first three games, then DA did move the ball well against Cincy so benching Quinn looked like the right move after that game. I agree it’s time to go back to Quinn, but I don’t think it’s fair to say he shouldn’t have been benched.
Buckeye Brad - November 1, 2009
I agree Quinn didn’t look good in the 2.5 game leash he was given, but I think the switch to DA was kneejerk. Now we’ve got the same old DA we always knew we had, but we’re still left with unanswered questions about Quinn. At the QB position especially, I think this is a poor way to run a football team.
Also, I think a Minnesota, Denver, Baltimore start was going to be a tall order for anybody the Browns put under center. Quinn’s removal has done nothing to spark this offense, and it may have come at the price of draining the last remaining confidence Brady has.
Western Reserve - November 1, 2009
i actually think that brady may have more confidence in his next starts. he won’t be looking over his shoulder at DA because i doubt mangini will go back to DA. i think he’ll play better than he did at the beginning of the season.
emily522 - November 1, 2009
That’s a good point, and I hope you’re right. It’s certainly not conducive to good QB play if he’s always looking over his shoulder, scared to make mistakes in fear of getting pulled. I think that may be what we were seeing early this year when Quinn refused to throw the ball downfield.
Western Reserve - November 1, 2009
my thoughts exactly.
emily522 - November 1, 2009
I am with you Reserve. Could not have said it better. Give Quinn a shot, this is on Quinn now. Now can Daboll find the door.
Grockcubs - November 1, 2009
I thought DA looked tense and extra-robotic today.
The pressure must have gotten to him.
I can’t blame him.
It might have been his last NFL start in his career.
tribe71 - November 1, 2009
Here’s hoping!
RelapsingDawgCatcher - November 1, 2009
I wouldn’t mind him in another starting in another team’s jersey.
So long as we’re playing him.
skipkirk - November 1, 2009
Especially if the Browns are on the other side of the ball.
Chief WaDrew - November 2, 2009
I didn’t see the game, but the radio announcers said that there was a noticeable difference in DA’s outward confidence for this game. They mentioned that on the sideline he was almost always alone, sitting with his head down. How could this sequence not have taken a toll on him psychologically? The end result is that he is now basically a “toxic asset”, with virtually no trade value.
drjeo - November 2, 2009
I feel the same way. Quinn also has it in his mind that he can’t do much worse. There is no postseason. Now he will play to his ability.
The naome40 - November 2, 2009
Maybe. But I suspect we’ll have to wait until after being shellacked by the Ravens again.
JustBob - November 2, 2009
Would you say that if the Browns were 0-8 at this point?
You seem to be assuming that Quinn would have beaten Buffalo.
You are saying that you would stick with Quinn if he were 0-8, but you are ready to dump
DA, who is 1-4, which is slightly better than Quinn’s 0-3.
The bye week is a good time to make a switch but just switching QBs will not make that much difference. Mangini is going to have to change a lot more than that.
palcal - November 1, 2009
they know what they have with DA. quinn is still an unknown. may as well give him more playing time to evaluate and see what they want to do next year.
emily522 - November 1, 2009
If we were 0-8 with Quinn, he had the numbers DA has now and he showed absolutely no progress or prospect as an NFL QB, I think I’d have no other choice than be in the ‘draft a QB’ camp.
I took Mangini at his word that whoever won the QB competition, he was going to stick with and ride through this season, for better or worse. Joke’s on me, I guess.
And I’d agree the QB switch likely will make little difference at this point. The playmakers just aren’t there, and I’d suspect morale is pretty low right about now.
Western Reserve - November 1, 2009
quinn was 0-3, not only had he not shown progress it could be argued he got worse, and he hadn’t shown that he’s even a decent progress at qb. would it really take 5 more games to see he’s not very good?
notthatnoise - November 1, 2009
i meant a decent prospect
notthatnoise - November 1, 2009
do you need to watch DA play more to know that he is also not very good? actually worse than that, he is terrible. DA is not the future for this team. so why bother playing him when we already know that? how many starts has DA had compared to quinn? we need to figure out what to do about this qb situation next year.
we got quinn with the 22nd pick in the 1st round of the draft. not only that, we also gave up a pick the next year in order to get him. 5 games is not enough to fully evaluate a qb. we need to know if quinn is worth developing into a starter, worth keeping as a backup, or if we should trade him in the off season.
this time around, quinn won’t be looking over his shoulder at DA. maybe that will lead to less conservative play by him. at this point, he doesn’t have all that much to lose.
emily522 - November 1, 2009
i don’t need any more games, in fact i didn’t need any this year. i never said anderson was any better. My position is quinn is not the future of this team either, so why does it matter who plays?
you should never take into account where a player was drafted when determining his worth.
and i know this part is largely opinion, and mine is certainly the minority, but i think those 5 games are enough to tell quinn will never be a quality starter. I do think he can be a better-than-average backup, but not for a year or two, and not in cleveland. as long as quinn is a backup in cleveland there will be a qb controversy
notthatnoise - November 1, 2009
i’m not saying “oh just because he’s a first round pick he’s great”. i’m saying that we took him in the first round so let’s give him more of a chance to prove himself.
i guess we’ll agree to disagree here. i think he deserves more of a chance. that’s all i’m trying to say.
emily522 - November 1, 2009
Really? Did you make this determination from his prior two career starts, his preseason play or his years at Notre Dame? It sounds a bit like you are predisposed to believe Quinn could never be worth his salt in the NFL.
Western Reserve - November 1, 2009
I agree there is not sufficient evidence to draw a final conclusion, but I think it is reasonable to have the opinion that he is not the future.
Roger Dorn - November 1, 2009
he was talking about anderson.
DontCallMeJoey - November 2, 2009
Very well said. I concur completely.
Western Reserve - November 1, 2009
And didn’t he say there was no chance of seeing Quinn today as well? As closed mouthed as he is, maybe even that’s not enough.
RelapsingDawgCatcher - November 1, 2009
A coach is never, ever going to stick with one player for an entire season if that player is not performing, no matter who the player is.
Buckeye Brad - November 1, 2009
Unless the replacement is worse.
Western Reserve - November 1, 2009
Well, then he might go back to him. But that’s different than sticking with one player the entire season.
Buckeye Brad - November 1, 2009
Agreed, but giving that impression and then pulling the ‘winning’ QB after 10 quarters? Not to rehash the past, but it seemed fickle
-just like today’s last-minute WTF BQ insertion.RelapsingDawgCatcher - November 1, 2009
I just think you are skating on thin ice when the change being made and the back and forth is at the QB position
Western Reserve - November 2, 2009
Well, when something is not working then you have to try someone else. A coach isn’t going to play a terrible QB for the whole season because that gives the whole team the impression that he’s not trying to win games. How many QB changes have occured in the NFL already this year? Making a QB change isn’t that unusual.
Now, to go back and forth between the two is pointless, so hopefully once Mangini goes back to Quinn he will stick with him for the rest of the season. But you don’t have to stick with the guy who started for all 16 games if he’s not performing. That’s detrimental to the team.
Buckeye Brad - November 2, 2009
Not necessarily; sometimes you must stick with a plan, allow some development and on-field maturity and see what you’ve got in a guy. Part of the argument is that 2.5 games, especially against the likes of Minnesota, Denver and Baltimore, was hardly enough time to know he was going to be “terrible [at] QB for the whole season.” I’d say QB changes are unusual with teams that have any shot at all.
Of course it would be detrimental to stick with a 16 game starter if he wasn’t any good, but that’s virtually what we got by having DA resume his starting role. And that’s exactly what we needed to find out about Quinn this year — but now we’ve wasted the past six weeks and this season is already a wash.
Western Reserve - November 2, 2009
Quinn could have beat Buffalo. He has struggled this season but he wouldnt have gone 2-17
TheRealSlimShady - November 1, 2009
Have to agree. As mediocre as BQ has looked, it takes a special kind of disaster to be as bad as DA was there.
RelapsingDawgCatcher - November 1, 2009
surely you’re not implying that DA helped win the buffalo game. if you are, that might be the craziest thing i’ve heard yet this season.
Dawg Nuts - November 1, 2009
Yeah. They actually won that game in spite of have DA.
Chief WaDrew - November 2, 2009
I’m actually agreeing, but it came off more as sarcastic. Sorry.
Chief WaDrew - November 2, 2009
He would have beaten Buffalo. All he had to do was say “HUT” and turn and hand the ball to Lewis. Not that hard.
The naome40 - November 2, 2009
I am happy that we benched Quinn and avoided paying the bonuses. I also think he should start the next few games.
Roger Dorn - November 1, 2009
Agree.
golanbatrac - November 1, 2009
I concur.
Buckeye Brad - November 1, 2009
Completely disagree. I hardly think the turmoil at the QB position — or arguably the team — the move created is worth the money to a billionaire.
Western Reserve - November 1, 2009
It has nothing to do with how it impacts Randy Lerner. I don’t care at all how Randy Lerner spends or lsoes money. It has directly to do with how you allocate the money on your football team and tie up cap space.
Roger Dorn - November 1, 2009
Fair enough, but I still wouldn’t agree with the move simply on the basis of money.
Also, drafting a QB could end up costing a small fortune, and it carries high risk.
Western Reserve - November 1, 2009
Drafting anyone in the top-5 could cost a fortune, and carries a high risk.
rufio - November 1, 2009
Bernie19Kosar - November 1, 2009
Why do I not know who this is?
SpecialBrownie - November 1, 2009
Robert Gallery.
golanbatrac - November 1, 2009
Who?
SpecialBrownie - November 1, 2009
Exactly.
rufio - November 1, 2009
I was thinking the same thing when I typed it. Hah.
SpecialBrownie - November 1, 2009
He was a “surefire Pro Bowl LT” who was seen as just the surest thing coming out of Iowa.
rufio - November 1, 2009
I was afraid drafting Thomas with a possibility of a re-occuring ACL injury.
SpecialBrownie - November 1, 2009
And he was expensive. Seven years for 60 million.
Bernie19Kosar - November 1, 2009
I can obviously tell he’s a failed Raider pick I never cared about.
SpecialBrownie - November 1, 2009
who’s that?
emily522 - November 1, 2009
Haha. Thank you.
SpecialBrownie - November 1, 2009
Well, true, but perhaps none higher than drafting a QB and subsequently planning to play the guy and make him their franchise.
Western Reserve - November 1, 2009
That’s why I don’t advocate drafting a QB in the top 5 next year!
Roger Dorn - November 1, 2009
me too
emily522 - November 1, 2009
I wouldn’t either. But I’m consolidating my views that that’s what the plan is — if there’s a plan at all. Unless they want to get a washed up veteran.
Western Reserve - November 1, 2009
I wouldn’t be so sure. I do think they would rather have a foundation in place before taking a top QB, unless they are absolutely positive about the guy’s potential.
Roger Dorn - November 1, 2009
We should just wait for Barkley.
rufio - November 1, 2009
Wow, you must really do have the patience of a saint!
Western Reserve - November 1, 2009
haha
emily522 - November 1, 2009
If we drafted well for the next two years, we could have a really good defense, a studly OL, and plenty of targets. We could find a veteran who would look OK in that offense, and then wait for the young franchise QB later.
I would be totally fine with that. I know we are a long ways away.
rufio - November 1, 2009
that could work. but drafting well hasn’t been a strong point in any regime since we got back.
emily522 - November 1, 2009
The early returns from the 2009 draft look good.
golanbatrac - November 1, 2009
If we ever want to be a good team, we will have to have drafted well. If we don’t draft well, we don’t win games.
rufio - November 1, 2009
well yeah, obviously (not trying to sound like a smart ass). i hope it happens.
emily522 - November 1, 2009
If it doesn’t, my liver is DONE.
rufio - November 1, 2009
hahahaha
emily522 - November 1, 2009
Has someone posted a Browns 2009 drinking game yet? It’d probably have to come with a surgeon general’s warning….
RelapsingDawgCatcher - November 1, 2009
some suggestions.
*when there is a 3 and out: drink
*each time mangini looked befuddled on the sidelines: drink
*each time DA throws an incompletion: drink
*each time there is a dropped pass: drink
*each time we settle for a FG: drink
*each time we get less than 200 total yards: drink
that should tide you over lol.
emily522 - November 1, 2009
Cleveland would drop dead by #4.
SpecialBrownie - November 1, 2009
Came up with a pretty good game for someone that doesn’t drink.
skipkirk - November 1, 2009
it was easy. i just listed everything that good nfl teams don’t do lol.
emily522 - November 1, 2009
Hit me.
SpecialBrownie - November 1, 2009
Lethal! :)
RelapsingDawgCatcher - November 2, 2009
Naturally, I hope you are right, but I just can’t share your optimism here. Coming into this year, I knew this team needed a lot of work, but I didn’t expect a colossal face plant from the new regime. We’ve remarkably found ways to take steps backwards, and I’d put the odds at better than half that the team under this regime will never be successful.
The prospect of a placeholder veteran QB, mired in an uncompetitive offense for years to come is unpalatable. Scheduling success for ‘a long ways away’ isn’t only undesirable it should be considered intolerable.
Western Reserve - November 2, 2009
Yet it’s the only way success is going to happen.
golanbatrac - November 2, 2009
Wow. He’s going to be a wash out. I expect more from you Rufio.
But then again, you never were enough to replace Peter Pan…
(that last part was genius, don’t hate alright?)
SpecialBrownie - November 1, 2009
I fictitiously replaced Pan just fine. It was when I got cocky and thought I WAS the Pan when I got in to trouble.
I was half-joking, but from the early returns, Barkley is going to be a pretty solid prospect in a couple of years. FAR too early to tell for sure, of course.
rufio - November 1, 2009
Great counter.
And I half – heartedly agree, but I’m always very harsh on blue eyed, blonde haired QB prospects.
SpecialBrownie - November 1, 2009
or nick montana haha
emily522 - November 1, 2009
I REC this also.
SpecialBrownie - November 1, 2009
or Nate Montana?
TheRealSlimShady - November 1, 2009
it’s nate? i thought his name was nick?
emily522 - November 1, 2009
There are two of them. Nate went to ND as a frosh and transfered to JUCO
TheRealSlimShady - November 1, 2009
oh i see
emily522 - November 1, 2009
Nick was the hot prospect fresh out of college.
SpecialBrownie - November 1, 2009
you mean high school
TheRealSlimShady - November 2, 2009
Of course.
SpecialBrownie - November 2, 2009
Nick just commited to UW
TheRealSlimShady - November 1, 2009
Consin? REALLY???
SpecialBrownie - November 1, 2009
washington
emily522 - November 1, 2009
WASHINGTON REALLY??
SpecialBrownie - November 1, 2009
yup! it surprised me a bit. osu, usc, and nd both had offers for him too.
http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/recruiting/player-Nick-Montana-84137
emily522 - November 1, 2009
then again, i understand why he wouldn’t go to usc.
emily522 - November 1, 2009
USC would be dumb for him, OSU would obviously be his JR year to be exposed to scouts and ND would make sense but his brother will be holding that spot in two years. So I suppose good choice.
SpecialBrownie - November 1, 2009
georgia he could’ve started as a true freshman though.
emily522 - November 1, 2009
His bro is gone because we have a 5-star-prospect behind Clausen.
TheRealSlimShady - November 2, 2009
Right and because he didn’t feel like he was prepared enough.
SpecialBrownie - November 2, 2009
Jeff George available?
Chief WaDrew - November 2, 2009
Actually he wants back in the leaugue
TheRealSlimShady - November 2, 2009
Isn’t 2010 a cap free year? Why would have to worry about cap space?
SpecialBrownie - November 1, 2009
Unless you think that the cap is going away for good, we should be cognizant of our salary situation.
Roger Dorn - November 1, 2009
True. Because I don’t see the NFL keeping uncapped seasons after 2010.
SpecialBrownie - November 1, 2009
Quinn’s escalators for this year stretch beyond the uncapped year.
golanbatrac - November 1, 2009
Yea, that is my understanding when I see the 6 versus 11 numbers.
Roger Dorn - November 1, 2009
But Quinn wasn’t performing — people always seem to forget that. I saw nothing wrong with giving DA a chance to see if he could move the offense. Unfortunately it only worked for one game but it was a move worth making. People seem to forgot how bad Quinn looked when we benched him.
Buckeye Brad - November 1, 2009
But was it worth sustaining this long, and how do you gracefully go back afterward?
RelapsingDawgCatcher - November 1, 2009
I’m really not sure that the chaos, questions and overall dysfunction were worth the accounting benefits.
RelapsingDawgCatcher - November 1, 2009
After the arguement we had, I will agree with you. Mangini needs to figure out if he is his QB. If not why pay him the money he didn’t option him.
The naome40 - November 2, 2009
Hate to say it, but Mangini and Daboll were not the guys giving the ball back to the Bears. Five turnovers! It’s impossible for a team to look competitive when it gives up the ball five times.
Spidey - November 1, 2009
Right. Fumbles aren’t a result of bad play-calling or bad coaching; the players need to hang on to the ball. Our offense was getting yards a few times in the second half but the turnovers killed us.
Buckeye Brad - November 1, 2009
The play calling was not bad. How can we fault it when the players dropped the ball left-and-right.
If it were a case of poor discipline instilled by the coaching staff, we would also see a lot of penalties, too, but that is not the case.
Spidey - November 1, 2009
2nd fewest penalties in the nfl
DontCallMeJoey - November 1, 2009
Really? That’s great actually.
That was 2nd in priorities for me when Mangini came in. The first was to improve the run defense and I think we’re halfway there in that regard.
skipkirk - November 1, 2009
Part of this is because our offense is rarely on the field too. More offensive snaps would invariably lead to more false starts and holding calls.
But yes, the few penalties, means at least the D is playing without cheap shots, etc.
talonk - November 2, 2009
way to be a downer haha
emily522 - November 2, 2009
penalties are frequently called on defenders, too…
DontCallMeJoey - November 2, 2009
Aren’t most of our penalties D penalties anyways? And aren’t most of them D personal fouls?…
SpecialBrownie - November 2, 2009
Another topic for discussion:
Jamal Lewis to Retire following this season
Chris Pokorny - November 1, 2009
Maurice Jones-Drew RB
5 Rush, 172 yds
2 TDs
Chris Pokorny - November 1, 2009
holy crap.
emily522 - November 1, 2009
sigh
TheRealSlimShady - November 1, 2009
Yeah, I benched him in my other league.
I hate myself.
Bernie19Kosar - November 2, 2009
I’m struggling right now. While I hate knee-jerk reactions, and I’ll be the first to tell people not to judge a coach after 7 games, I just feel like so many of his decisions have been underwhelming so far.
- The hiring of Daboll looks foolish. As head coach, there has to be responsibility for how terrible our offensive scheme is.
- The handling of our quarterbacks has been terrible. I think that both quarterbacks are lousy, but both are being put in positions to fail. What was Quinn supposed to demonstrate with three minutes today? What was the point of pulling him after 10 quarters in the first place?
- While I agreed with the decision to trade down initially, and I love Alex Mack, I didn’t like any of our second-round picks to begin with. I’m not going to judge the receivers now, but I didn’t think much of them in the first place. Obviously this is subjective; I hope I’m wrong. Veikune, well… who knows what we have there.
- I agree that our horde of Jets players made us immediately better at positions where we were were terrible. But I worry that we went from truly terrible to merely bad at those positions, and we will have to replace those players shortly anyway.
- The team has displayed a startling lack of fundamentals. Do you blame the coaches if players can’t catch? If they don’t tackle? I don’t know. What do you guys think?
- I think the Edwards situation was handled poorly. If we knew we weren’t going to get him back, we should have taken a solid offer for him in the offseason. We knew we weren’t competing this year.
- Why do we keep giving Jamal Lewis carries?
I don’t know, guys. It’s my basic philosophy that you can’t fire a coach after his first season, so I’m going to advocate giving Mangini another year. And I don’t really know what’s going on with a team, so I’m not going to get into that fines/grievances/James Davis stuff. And of course, I’m just a dumb fan, so hopefully I’m wrong about everything. But for now, to me, things just look depressing for the foreseeable future.
Chemo - November 1, 2009
Some great points there. I think you outline a great case that shows truly how poorly managed this team is. I feel we are taking steps backwards, and we’ll be mired in it for years.
Western Reserve - November 1, 2009
- I’ll talk about the 2nd round picks. And honestly in their few games that they’ve played in… we know zip about them. Massaquoi’s 9 catches probably showed he had a little something. The next few games there were drops here and there. I’ll put that to growing pains. But since then, we’ve got nothing from them – they haven’t been targeted.
- Jets players have done well. They were the ones performing today.
- If they can’t tackle and catch it’s up to the coaches. If they fumble.. well.
- I think we were looking at how Edwards was going to perform. If he did well I reckon we would’ve kept him. My opinion anyway. His nightclub incident was the last straw for Mangini though.
skipkirk - November 1, 2009
You are right about the second round picks. I didn’t like them in the first place, and they haven’t had the chance to prove me wrong. They could be great in the future, but for now I’m biased against them.
Chemo - November 1, 2009
Receivers almost always take a couple years to develop in the NFL, so we shouldn’t expect much from them this year, anyways. Hopefully next year with experience, and hopefully a decent QB, they will play much better.
Buckeye Brad - November 1, 2009
Just the question I’ve been asking myself since it happened. What the hell was Mangini thinking here? I’m truly baffled, and it looked random, pointless, and futile.
RelapsingDawgCatcher - November 1, 2009
so is lerner.
emily522 - November 1, 2009
Don’t think I’ve ever seen a Coach simultaneously punish two QBs at the same time – because that’s what it looks like happened.
Pruitt - November 2, 2009
Edwards needs 51 catches in 7 games to make that pick a 2nd instead of a 3rd…
Red-Right-88 - November 2, 2009
My understanding is that he needs 43 more. He needed 55 with the Jets and has 12 total catches for the Jets thus far.
Roger Dorn - November 2, 2009
You are correct, sorry bout that, but it is a little better news. :)
Red-Right-88 - November 2, 2009
Agree on Daboll. I’d be shocked if he survives the bye week.
I’m done talking about the QB situation. I don’t care, and I honestly think Mangini has handled it the only way he could. He hasn’t seen anything from either of them since he got here.
Give the 2nd rounders (and the rest of the lower draft picks) time.
Good point about the Jets guys. They are better relative to the 2008 roster, but not relative to the NFL. Mangini and Ryan have talked about bringing in guys that know the system, and I think this is the biggest long term benefit from guys like Bowens and Barton.
The thing with Mangini having so much control is that there is really nobody else to blame. The players can’t catch? Why did you get those players? They don’t tackle? Why do they play? Still, those generalized critiques aren’t quite as useful as when they get specific. Some of the drops are on DA’s inaccuracy. A lot were from Edwards. But what do you say when a guy with proven good hands drops a perfect pass? It seemed like Stuckey had more drops in 2 games as a Brown than he did in 2 years as a Jet.
Maybe they should have traded Edwards earlier. But they were holding out hope that they could compete this year and Edwards could turn it around. In the end, we got a few games more of Edwards’ talent and we still got about the same return as what the Giants were offering on draft day. Despite off the field problems that nobody could foresee.
I don’t know, and now that he has announced this season to be his last, maybe we won’t. The Davis injury did make it hard to completely bench Lewis though.
Ryan Kelsey - November 2, 2009
Good post – I agree with you. Arguing about the QBs has gotten really tiresome. Time to move on. As for the Jets guys, I actually think Bowens has some use as a player, and I’ve been generally impressed with Elam. Kenyon Coleman has also had some good moments. As for the others, not so much.
drjeo - November 2, 2009
Trusnik’s been good. Barton’s an upgrade over McGinist and better than anyone else we have at the position.
golanbatrac - November 2, 2009
The defense has been serviceable at times. The offense is where we need to direct our anger.
Roger Dorn - November 2, 2009
apparently, mangini figured out a way to blame kotnkus (sp)…
DontCallMeJoey - November 2, 2009
As a bear fan I would like to thank the Browns
for giving us this game. We played a terrible game and should have had a lot more points. Our O coordinator called maybe his worst game of the year and it was really awful on third down. In no way am I happy with this win. I almost feel like we lost this game…
tfrabotta - November 1, 2009
Simmsinns:
Here is the youtube video I was talking about. It is doable with and without the unbalanced line. If we could execute either version well, I wouldn’t mind seeing heavy doses over the next couple of weeks.
rufio - November 1, 2009
i think in the offseason, we should fire dumbass, i mean daboll! and hire mike shanahan. wasnt he calling the offensive plays in denver?? and i think a good fit for president of football ops. would be mike holmgren. thats just my opinion, but i dont think either of them would be a bad choice. give mangini one more year, im not a fan of the choice to hire him to begin with, but give him a chance.
players i think we should keep an eye on in the draft would be Eric Norwood from south carolina (LB), tony pike from cinncinati(QB), dez bryant from okla. st.(WR), curtis wood,or thomas, i cant remember his name,from texas(CB), and i cant remeber his name, i think its pryor- the cornerback from michigan state, the one who laid out that hawkeyes receiver, we need that kind of tenacity on our team!! but first and fore most, with the first rounder we need to get someone good on the right side of the offensive line, i dont know who the best prosepect for that position is coming out, but we need it!!
a late rounder we could pick up could be that mathews guy from fresno state, quick moves, fast, and hes a big boy! shoulda seen how he ran all over boise states defense!
findlaybrownslover - November 1, 2009
Holmgren, Mangini and Shannahan all in Cleveland at the same time?
golanbatrac - November 1, 2009
Name Parcells team president and Cowher as VP and Ron Wolf as GM.
Bernie19Kosar - November 1, 2009
That’d be a clusterf*ck of greatness.
SpecialBrownie - November 1, 2009
lol
emily522 - November 1, 2009
Hah! Recommended.
RelapsingDawgCatcher - November 1, 2009
We’d win, like eleventeen Super Bowl rings with all that talent!
Buckeye Brad - November 1, 2009
I was thinking 20 gazillion…ish.
SpecialBrownie - November 1, 2009
Sure, if we didn’t get any breaks!
Bernie19Kosar - November 1, 2009
We need someone of those guys’ caliber to turn this boat around.
Western Reserve - November 1, 2009
Maybe. But not all at the same time.
golanbatrac - November 1, 2009
Exactly right. Every single one of those guys would only come if they were the #1 guy in the organization.
Buckeye Brad - November 1, 2009
Strangely enough I actually thought the right side was alright today.
St Clair has been picking it up (maybe it was added motivation against his former team). Either Hadnot or Fraley at RG is alright.
So right now, even though it isn’t a great line, I don’t think we draft too high for O-line. Maybe with our 2nd 2nd round pick (that we’re gunna get for Braylon – he’s on course isn’t he?)
skipkirk - November 1, 2009
Yeah, the line is fine for now. St. Clair got his act together 4 or 5 weeks ago and has been pretty solid since.
golanbatrac - November 1, 2009
And whatever I said about him from preseason onto weeks 1-3. I take them back.
skipkirk - November 1, 2009
Actually, at LB I’d like to see us get someone like Bruce Carter the Jr LB at UNC. That guy was everywhere on the field yesterday. I never paid much attention to the eligibility rules, just wait to see who ends up on the board on draft day, but if that dude could declare early I wouldn’t mind us getting him.
JustBob - November 1, 2009
hes not a bad choice either, most of that defense woudlnt be a bad idea!! maybe get carter and norwood in the second round!!
findlaybrownslover - November 1, 2009
what do you all think??
please i enjoy others opinions!!
findlaybrownslover - November 1, 2009
Hey it would be great to use the reply button. Use it and reply to whoever you were replying to. Makes for an easier read.
skipkirk - November 1, 2009
i am a very loyal Browns fan, and i watch every game and i agree with those who say its not the defence! i really like Rob Ryan and of the coachs the Browns have i think he is the best! Against the bears the defence had not 1 not 2 but 3 goal line stands! The offence is putrid! Anderson is just horrible and not to say Quinn is better but damn give the kid a chance, we will never know what he could become if he doesn’t play! God love the Browns and lets hope the bleeding stops soon! Go Browns!
Jeremy C - November 1, 2009
a clusterf@ck it would be, but you with holmgren in the front office, he wont put up with the bullshit from mangini! if cant cut the mustard, his ass would be bounced!! what do you guys think of my draft choices though??
findlaybrownslover - November 1, 2009
Please use the reply button and unless you’re very animated and it’s a very animated post, watch the cursing. And Mangini isn’t to blame for all the bull crap. And I used the term Clusterf*ck in the the positive sense.
SpecialBrownie - November 1, 2009
soryy for the cursing and i thought i was being animated about my opinion on mangini!! lol i know you meant clusterf@ck as a positive, the bs from mangini i was talking about was if he doesnt improve, holmgren would replace him in a heartbeat!! soryy for the confusion!!
findlaybrownslover - November 1, 2009
Ah
SpecialBrownie - November 1, 2009
specialbrownie
what do you think about the players i though we should be looking at in the draft next year??
findlaybrownslover - November 1, 2009
I like Tony Pike, A WR seems silly, We need another strong CB and def. a S but I think Francies can take up the 2nd CB spot. And we don’t need to waste a 1st rounder on the right side of our line. A 2nd round pick will do just fine.
SpecialBrownie - November 1, 2009
i think if we get another young WR we should be alright after the growing pains have passed by next year! francies and maybe your right about the rg/rt position, id say drop the porkchop at the end of the year though!! so who do you think we should take with our first pick??
findlaybrownslover - November 1, 2009
A safety. Berry, Mays or Coleman.
SpecialBrownie - November 1, 2009
who are those guys??
findlaybrownslover - November 1, 2009
(Jaw drops)
SpecialBrownie - November 1, 2009
sorry i havent heard of them, i feel bad now!
findlaybrownslover - November 1, 2009
Coleman with one of our 3rd rounders, right?
TheRealSlimShady - November 1, 2009
Naw. He’ll be gone by the 3rd guaranteed.
SpecialBrownie - November 1, 2009
No. Not guaranteed at all.
TheRealSlimShady - November 2, 2009
Completely guaranteed.
SpecialBrownie - November 2, 2009
No. Not guaranteed at all.
TheRealSlimShady - November 2, 2009
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SpecialBrownie - November 2, 2009
You win. First pick no doubt. Possibly even #1
TheRealSlimShady - November 2, 2009
Not Guaranteed.
SpecialBrownie - November 3, 2009
The best player available, or trade down and acquire more picks.
golanbatrac - November 1, 2009
we dont need anymore picks!! lol
findlaybrownslover - November 1, 2009
We absolutely do. Next year’s draft is stacked, and we’ve got plenty of holes to fill.
golanbatrac - November 1, 2009
It’s seriously stacked. This year’s draft was a wash out.
SpecialBrownie - November 1, 2009
so what? draft the guys next year, start them and trade off all of this years sucky starters to gain more draft picks maybe??
findlaybrownslover - November 1, 2009
so who are these safetys you speak of, and where do they play??
findlaybrownslover - November 1, 2009
Eric Berry, Tenne Vols / Taylor Mays, USC / Kurt Coleman OSU.
SpecialBrownie - November 1, 2009
ah!! i see any other good picks you could think of??
findlaybrownslover - November 1, 2009
Ndamukong Suh of Nebraska is promising.
SpecialBrownie - November 1, 2009
what position does he play??
findlaybrownslover - November 1, 2009
DT
SpecialBrownie - November 1, 2009
Where do you think Coleman will go in the draft? He’s been playing really well this year and I think he’ll make a solid pro. I’ve been really impressed with him — he’s a playmaker. A possible 2nd or 3rd round pick if we don’t get Berry.
Buckeye Brad - November 1, 2009
i wouldn’t mind coleman either.
emily522 - November 1, 2009
on walterfootball, a mock draft had him going late first. this was at the beginning of the season though, and i think that’s a bit of a reach.
don’t we have 3 second round picks?
emily522 - November 1, 2009
One, and a possibility of a second I think.
SpecialBrownie - November 1, 2009
wow i was off haha
emily522 - November 1, 2009
Right, it depends on Edwards in NY if we get a second duece.
Bernie19Kosar - November 1, 2009
Which won’t happen. I’m sorry Edwards, a change to NY scenery doesn’t change your play ability.
I hope LBJ notices this…
SpecialBrownie - November 1, 2009
The difference is that LeBron doesn’t need his ability to change.
Buckeye Brad - November 1, 2009
His team ability will change though.
SpecialBrownie - November 1, 2009
Of course. That’s why he’s not going to NY.
Buckeye Brad - November 1, 2009
i honestly do not think lebron is going to leave cleveland. yeah, there will be some sort of drama and everyone in cleveland will be freaking out, but in the end he will resign.
emily522 - November 1, 2009
BUT JAYZ OWNZ DA NETZ!!!!!1
Bernie19Kosar - November 1, 2009
I got 99 problems and LBJ not coming to NY is one.
SpecialBrownie - November 1, 2009
that gets a rec
emily522 - November 1, 2009
I’d at least be a little nervous.
Roger Dorn - November 1, 2009
So he won’t even play BB anymore? He’ll retire? That’s a weird tangent.
SpecialBrownie - November 1, 2009
If some mocks had him as low first now, I could see him moving into mid first after what he has showed so far this year. He’s been great.
Ryan Kelsey - November 2, 2009
He’s increased his stock dramatically this season.
I’m being pessimistic against us and saying late first, early second. He won’t come near our picks at the right times.
SpecialBrownie - November 1, 2009
I personally think that Coleman is climbing right now. Second rounder, could squeeze into the first with a set of nice workouts.
He will run a good time for a safety and has played out of his mind this season.
Bernie19Kosar - November 1, 2009
There are just too many better safeties
TheRealSlimShady - November 1, 2009
I think he could pass Mays. Mays is a physical freak, but he doesn’t look natural as a safety.
Ryan Kelsey - November 2, 2009
Someone in the top 10-15 will fall in love with the size and speed of Mays.
Bernie19Kosar - November 2, 2009
Al Davis.
golanbatrac - November 2, 2009
You are right. He is definitely a Raider.
Roger Dorn - November 2, 2009
Chad Jones from LSU, Morgan Burnett from GT, and Texas’s safety are the 3rd-5th best safeties
TheRealSlimShady - November 1, 2009
Eric Berry is not human. Enjoy.
Bernie19Kosar - November 1, 2009
i saw that hit on tebow when i watched the game. i was like YEAH!
emily522 - November 1, 2009
why? is he that good?? sorry i dont follow tenn.
findlaybrownslover - November 1, 2009
Click the link.
Bernie19Kosar - November 1, 2009
Yes, he is amazing.
Roger Dorn - November 1, 2009
browns will draft this guy.
emily522 - November 1, 2009
I hate saying things like this because it sounds like hyperbole, but he does things that no other player in college football can do. I personally think that he is better with the ball in hands than Ed Reed. That may be the highest compliment you can give a DB.
Bernie19Kosar - November 1, 2009
boy after watching that, THATS are first pick!! not just cause of the hit on tebow, but THAT is a football player!! he has exactly what we need!!
findlaybrownslover - November 1, 2009
He’s the kind of player that you don’t have to coach up. If anything, you’ll have to reel him in a bit.
Would instantly be the best safety we’ve had since Eric Turner.
golanbatrac - November 1, 2009
talk about an instant impact player!! he would be great!
findlaybrownslover - November 1, 2009
with a guy like him playing, that would make wright, francies, and elam all better! that guy looks like he could cover the whole backfeild himself!!
findlaybrownslover - November 1, 2009
I would take a flame thrower to Berea if we passed on Berry.
Roger Dorn - November 1, 2009
I’d nuc it.
SpecialBrownie - November 1, 2009
i’ve come over to the berry team from the mays camp. and i was firmly entrenched there. berry is absurd.
DontCallMeJoey - November 2, 2009
Welcome. There is a continental breakfast buffet in the corner. Help yourself.
SpecialBrownie - November 2, 2009
In my dream world, Seattle assholes didn’t take Curry and we are looking next year at a defense anchored by Rogers, Jackson, Curry and Berry.
Roger Dorn - November 2, 2009
This year is almost like the last year for me.
I want the Defensive beast (Curry/Berry) or trade down. There is such a small dropoff from 5 to 15 this year.
TheRealSlimShady - November 2, 2009
ok; I’m now officially on the Berry train. Amazing.
drjeo - November 2, 2009
It will be near consensus come draft time. We will be arguing over 2nd round picks this time around.
Roger Dorn - November 2, 2009
It will be crap if the Browns end up drafting one spot too low to get him, as happened with Curry. Of course, they’ll have to play much better to draft behind anyone.
drjeo - November 2, 2009
I still think we finish with a better record than TB, KC, STL, and DET. We’ll be drafting in the five slot again.
golanbatrac - November 2, 2009
Pike is a system guy. His backup is doing just as good as him.
TheRealSlimShady - November 1, 2009
Wow. That’s a very good point I never noticed.
SpecialBrownie - November 1, 2009
And the backup did just as good the year before…
SpecialBrownie - November 1, 2009
And you can curse in moderation, just censor certain letters.
SpecialBrownie - November 1, 2009
So we’d be replacing Mangini shortly, then. Might as well just fire him up front and do it all at once.
RelapsingDawgCatcher - November 1, 2009
I really have no idea where to start.
Full disclosure here, I was never a Mangini fan. I didn’t understand why the rush to hire a coach that no one else seemed interested in. I never understood why Lerner seemed so focused on Mangini, almost as if he was the only real canidate.
I know that Mankok is under going a major rebuilding. That they have torn it down to the skeleton. We as Browns fans should know that it isn’t pretty. After all it’s our third one in 10 years. To me, this one feels different.
With the ’99 Browns, I was just stoked to have the Browns back. With Butch Davis I thought we finally had the new brash young head coach to take this massive job by the horns. With Crennel, I thought we finally had the old, wise head coach and genius talent finder to right the ship.
I could always see a bright spot. A light at the end of the tunnel if you will. I can’t find it with Mangini (Yes, with my history, that could be a reason for excitement. Ya wise ass.) I can’t decide what his strong suit is. It’s not player relations, that’s for sure. It sure as hell doesn’t seem to be in game managament and adjustments (I mean throwing the ball on fourth and 1 when you have DA?! Really?!) So far, adversity doesn’t look like his thang either.
So what made Mangini a must-have coach?
Bernie19Kosar - November 1, 2009
Please, don’t take this as a Anti-Lerner post. I am a huge fan of Lerner.
Bernie19Kosar - November 1, 2009
Don’t forget running on 3 and 5.
And I know we put all the blame on Daboll, but don’t plays have to run through Mangini first????
SpecialBrownie - November 1, 2009
thats another thing, let a oc do his job, calling the plays!! a head coach is there to manage the game!!
findlaybrownslover - November 1, 2009
I don’t know if they go through Mangini, I don’t think they do, but he sure as hell has a say over the way our gameplan is going.
Bernie19Kosar - November 1, 2009
I dont think they do either, but I did see Mangini conversing with Daboll on the sidelines in the 3rd Qtr, it was pretty much “what was that?” (I thought)
although Rob Ryan is a lot more fun to lip read LOL…
Red-Right-88 - November 2, 2009
exactly! i didn’t get why that hire was so quick.
emily522 - November 1, 2009
sorry i forgot to hit the reply button.
emily522 - November 1, 2009
Emily, am I going to have to talk with you?
Buckeye Brad - November 1, 2009
lol no. minor slip up.
emily522 - November 1, 2009
Wow, as a veteran poster I’m disappointed you forgot to hit reply.
Tisk, Tisk. Everything is just falling apart.
SpecialBrownie - November 1, 2009
i think i did hit reply. but then i went up thread to read a new post, finished typing, and posted it, but it didn’t do the reply.
emily522 - November 1, 2009
Excuses Excuses… Haha.
SpecialBrownie - November 1, 2009
Sure, blame technology. I think that’s what Mooncamping says about his posts, too.
drjeo - November 2, 2009
With all of the poor plays today, the biggest disappointment for me was seeing Heiden make his way back to the roster only to end up with a fumble and a dropped pass.
JustBob - November 1, 2009
I commented in the game thread.
I said I was going to put a revolver in my mouth because our only reliable player sucked.
SpecialBrownie - November 1, 2009
Ah. Didn’t see that. I had to leave the house to watch the game and just wasn’t up to browsing hundreds of posts. It’s definitely a bad sign when Captain Reliable starts looking like the rest of the team. I guess he must have given his cape and tights to Zastudil.
JustBob - November 1, 2009
He is the 3rd best player on the team under Thomas and Ponbriand. That was an amazing tackle!
SpecialBrownie - November 1, 2009
i’m not in the “fire mangini” camp (…yet), but i have to ask: is cowher planning on returning to coaching next year? and if so, does anyone think there’s a possibility of lerner trying to get him?
emily522 - November 1, 2009
I certainly hope not. He’s a great coach and all, and he played for the Browns… but a decade with the Steelers makes him a Steeler, and we don’t need no stinkin’ Steelers.
golanbatrac - November 1, 2009
He also already coached here. Who wants to come back here again?
SpecialBrownie - November 1, 2009
You better bet your sweet ass I would take Cowher here.
Hell we have a Raven RB and a Raven GM. I personally don’t care where he is from as long as he wins.
Bernie19Kosar - November 1, 2009
Hard to imagine why Cowher (who is going to have his pick of any open positions, and maybe some that aren’t considered exactly open) would consider taking on the Browns. I would say there’s no more than a 1% chance of that happening, and I think that’s being optimistic.
drjeo - November 2, 2009
I think the only way Cowher comes here is a LOT of money, and he feels a pull for his own team. I think it is 10%.
Bernie19Kosar - November 2, 2009
Yea, money is how we get one of those coaches. Don’t think Cowher would come either way though.
Roger Dorn - November 2, 2009
I don’t think Cowher comes to Cleveland.
Though, he has a soft spot for the Browns. He played here, he coached here. My favorite story regarding Cowher is that he had a Cleveland Municipal stadium chair in his office in Pittsburgh. There are guys on rivals that I just hate to the core and there are guys that I would probably like, except for the fact that they are play/coach for the rival team. Cowher was in the latter category.
Ryan Kelsey - November 2, 2009
He tried last time, I have a hard time seeing why he wouldn’t do it again.
Maybe that is an underlying current here. The rumor goes that Cowher said something along the lines of, “Couldn’t you wait just one more year” to Lerner. I wonder if Lerner is thinking about that comment right now. Just a thought.
Bernie19Kosar - November 1, 2009
how long is mangini’s contract?
emily522 - November 1, 2009
Four years.
golanbatrac - November 1, 2009
4 years
Bernie19Kosar - November 1, 2009
if that’s what cowher said, then why give mangini a 4-year contract? i mean if lerner thought that maybe cowher would come in a year, why didn’t he just give mangini like a 2 year contract?
emily522 - November 1, 2009
Because I am sure that Lerner had no idea that the Browns would be this poor. He hired Mangini with every belief that he could turn this around.
Bernie19Kosar - November 1, 2009
Bc Lerner was crazy over a Patriots prospect and because a 2 year contract makes Lerner seem hesitant with Mangini, which isn’t good for the fan base.
SpecialBrownie - November 1, 2009
good points.
if mangini doesn’t work out, i really do not want a belichick disciple. but i do like josh mcdaniels. i was laughing so hard when he was cheering after that win vs. the patriots.
emily522 - November 1, 2009
Very good point.
Roger Dorn - November 1, 2009
My week is ruined.
Pruitt - November 2, 2009
Quatre ans.
SpecialBrownie - November 1, 2009
Patru ani
Chief WaDrew - November 2, 2009
My thoughts from todays game;
1. Where is Harrsion? In the 4 games since his 100 yard game, he has 21 carries. What the hell?
2. Why put Quinn in when Mangini did? How does that help?
3. We actually have some sort of ground game going, and we pass the ball on 4th and 1? Am I missing something? Talk about trying to out think yourself.
4. I don’t know how many times I can take a complete and total ass whipping like the Browns took today.
5. The Bears played like crap. that looked like the same team that Cincy blew the doors off of. We had no shot today. None. That is a scary thought.
6. If Quinn gets the start on Monday night, how long is his leash?
7. Anyone else think there is a chance that Ratliff is our next starter?
8. Coye Francies should be a starter. Not because he is great, but we need to see what kind of player he is.
9. I saw Veikune on one goal line play, but I wasn’t looking for him each play. Was he out there?
10. Anyone else notice that Joe Thomas had two tackles? Shaun Rogers had one.
Bernie19Kosar - November 1, 2009
Thomas for DE.
SpecialBrownie - November 1, 2009
Thomas for President. Quinn would be his VP.
Even McCainn would vote for them.
Bernie19Kosar - November 1, 2009
oh that gets a rec.
emily522 - November 1, 2009
Super REC.
SpecialBrownie - November 1, 2009
At first I thought this was photoshopped then I remembered it actually happened.
To not dwell too far into politics, America should never doubt Thomas. FOR ANYTHING.
SpecialBrownie - November 1, 2009
Yeah, let’s stop this right now.
Ryan Kelsey - November 2, 2009
Agreed.
SpecialBrownie - November 2, 2009
Anyone notice Quinn staring down the fine lady on the left side of the picture?
Such a Ladies man…
SpecialBrownie - November 1, 2009
i think he has a girlfriend. unless they broke up, which would make me happy :) haha!
emily522 - November 1, 2009
He did state he was a bachelor. If you’re speaking of the girl from the draft. I assume shes long gone.
And not to be too personal, but are you still in your twenties? Because if you are, kudos to your football knowledge. Not to many females interested this deeply into the sport.
SpecialBrownie - November 1, 2009
oh yeah, you’re right. good, i’m glad she’s gone! haha.
i am actually 17. i wasn’t even really into football until i was like 13. that’s when i moved from cleveland. i always liked the browns and buckeyes, but i didn’t know the first thing about football other than the basics and didn’t watch a ton of games. but then once i moved i think watching the games made me feel closer to cleveland, as corny as that sounds. but now, obviously, i am really into football! and now you have an insight into my life haha.
and thanks for the kudos.
emily522 - November 1, 2009
Wow.
I’m 18 if you cared…
…….
SpecialBrownie - November 1, 2009
yeah sorry about that response that was really detailed and unnecessary lol.
emily522 - November 1, 2009
Only a little.
And I’m extremely surprised by the way. Haha.
But in a good way…
SpecialBrownie - November 1, 2009
Next to tRSS, I think we’re the youngest here.
Go us! (Virtual fist pump)
SpecialBrownie - November 1, 2009
haha!
emily522 - November 1, 2009
Yea Im defineatly the youngest one here.
TheRealSlimShady - November 2, 2009
Can I be included on the virtual fist bump?
TheRealSlimShady - November 2, 2009
sure, why not?
emily522 - November 2, 2009
Flirting in another site please.
skipkirk - November 1, 2009
hahahaha oh wow…
emily522 - November 1, 2009
…. shut up.
SpecialBrownie - November 1, 2009
Haha.
SpecialBrownie - November 1, 2009
Bravo.
Bernie19Kosar - November 1, 2009
nice. it looks like mccain has his hands up ready to block.
Dawg Nuts - November 2, 2009
Apparently Harrison is getting the Romeo treatment because of his blocking again. Another coach who benches a somewhat productive running back because of weak blocking. Actually makes me sick.
Roger Dorn - November 1, 2009
I would laugh if I could stop weeping like a bitch.
Bernie19Kosar - November 1, 2009
Wow. amazing.
SpecialBrownie - November 1, 2009
Booze, my friend.
Roger Dorn - November 1, 2009
I’d agree but that stuff is poison sorry.
I’m XXX.
SpecialBrownie - November 1, 2009
i’m surprised cleveland’s economy is so bad. i mean all those liquor sales should give it quite a boost, especially on sundays. ;)
emily522 - November 1, 2009
Sadly, they’re all drinking their rent checks, so there’s no net gain.
RelapsingDawgCatcher - November 2, 2009
lol
emily522 - November 2, 2009
Liquor sales set another state record
Western Reserve - November 2, 2009
I think the Bears decided to throw everything at Rogers and take their chances with the ends and linebackers. He gets partial credit for the pressure applied to Cutler from the outside and the four sacks.
golanbatrac - November 1, 2009
1. i don’t get that either. i think now that lewis has thrown in the towel, he’ll get more carries. imo, he should start. i know dayton dogg would agree!
2. it doesn’t help, but i was happy to see it.
3. daboll’s an idiot.
4. i can’t take much more of this season. thank god for the cavs.
5. it is. a bears fan posted on here how the bears played like complete crap. if we had an offense, we would’ve won that game.
6. i’d say it’s pretty long. mangini would look like a fool to go back to DA again. and i think i’d jump out my window if he did.
7. it’s possible, but i think quinn will finish the season out.
8. agree.
emily522 - November 1, 2009
You’ll only get bruised up jumping out of a 1st floor window honey.
If you do, make it worthwhile. You’ll be the martyr for the Browns. Lerner will listen.
SpecialBrownie - November 1, 2009
hahaha
emily522 - November 1, 2009
I keep asking myself that (and bringing it up here), and yet I’m no closer to any sane answer.
RelapsingDawgCatcher - November 1, 2009
me too. i think it was bernie19kosar who said this in a separate thread, but he feels like it could be a “FU” to the fans. like “you want quinn in? here you go!”
emily522 - November 2, 2009
I saw that. Man, just the idea of that possibility makes me want to light some torches….
RelapsingDawgCatcher - November 2, 2009
…and get some pitchforks
emily522 - November 2, 2009
And yell
“Hang the witch! Burn her alive!” Haha.
SpecialBrownie - November 2, 2009
Hey, some of my best friends are witches. Idiots who capriciously mismanage my favorite team, OTOH, make me want to storm the Bastille!
RelapsingDawgCatcher - November 2, 2009
You put in your backup when your QB has a game like that….what 10.5 QB rating, Thomas may have had a better QB rating. :)
What I wanna know is on the hot read, did Quinn read it wrong or did Mass not pick up that he was the hot receiver? Anyone know?
Red-Right-88 - November 2, 2009
The announcers made it sound like MoMass didn’t notice the blitz and he was supposed to cut his route short and didn’t. That would make sense.
Buckeye Brad - November 2, 2009
Yeah, it’s normally taught in football to pass ‘at the blitz’ or from the direction of the blitz. Of course, that relies on the receiver being in some position to make a play.
Western Reserve - November 2, 2009
Wasn’t Harrison hurt for some of that stretch? He has major durability issues.
One of Thomas’ tackles was one hell of a hit. I think he almost got flagged for it.
Ryan Kelsey - November 2, 2009
for those who watched the GB game: anyone notice how even though GB’s o-line is horrible, rodgers still delivers? those TD passes were in such a small window. i want a QB like that.
emily522 - November 1, 2009
i’d take a qb who could throw it through a picture window right now, let alone a small window.
Dawg Nuts - November 2, 2009
I’d like a QB to just throw touchdowns…I don’t care how pretty, ugly, long, or short.
BLAZER_FAN_199 - November 2, 2009
Is it just me, or does it look like Mangini is yawning in that picture and not yelling? He seems more concerned with getting home to watch the newest episode of Desperate Housewives than actually, you know, coaching.
BLAZER_FAN_199 - November 2, 2009
I can say with 99.999% certainty that Mangini doesn’t watch Desperate Housewives.
Buckeye Brad - November 2, 2009
Ok, you got me. I don’t know how you know, but by all means, enlighten me.
BLAZER_FAN_199 - November 2, 2009
It was a joke. Mangini just doen’t seem like the type of person who watches Desperate Housewives. Obviously I don’t know what TV shows he watches in his free time.
Buckeye Brad - November 2, 2009
He watches that episode of the Sopranos he and his wife were in over and over again.
golanbatrac - November 2, 2009
Mangini strikes me as a guy that doesn’t ever watch TV.
Roger Dorn - November 2, 2009
NFL coaches generally don’t have any time for TV, I would say. The job is all-consuming, even if (or maybe especially if) your team sucks.
drjeo - November 2, 2009
lol
emily522 - November 2, 2009
http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2009/11/cleveland_browns_eric_mangini_17.html
daboll stays.
emily522 - November 2, 2009
TheRealSlimShady - November 2, 2009
this is very off topic, but i know there are a lot of florida haters here. i found something very rare… an article on a major sports website that is putting down urban meyer and UF! enjoy.
http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/news?slug=dw-spikes110209&prov=yhoo&type=lgns
emily522 - November 2, 2009
Good commentary by Dan Wetzel. He rarely plays favorites.
bbstirrd - November 2, 2009
Remember back when Rob Reynolds choked Jim Sorgi? That was as flagrant a foul as I’ve ever seen, and Tressel only suspended him for a game.
golanbatrac - November 2, 2009
I forgot who did that, but I knew it was a linebacker. I thought maybe it was Schlegel.
Buckeye Brad - November 2, 2009
Funny, I remember it being Carpenter. But Reynolds sounds right.
Ryan Kelsey - November 3, 2009
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